Driving kids crazy: Part 2, culture

What could possibly count as insanity in a world that votes to make a narcissistic sociopath its most powerful person? Admittedly, we didn’t all have the right to vote, but over two hundred million did. We are told many of those millions are mad as hell, but are they just mad? Are their delusions so profound they should be considered clinically psychotic?
I wrote last time that we have moved on since the anti-psychiatry movement of half a century ago. But “Explorer” put me right by commenting that it is actually still alive and well, as evidenced by the website Mad In America, where I discovered an article titled “In a Post-Trump Election World: What is Insanity?” by clinical psychologist Noel Hunter. She has posed some fundamental questions not a million miles from my own.
Moving on, this second blog on mental health will consider important new information that has come my way since last time from three sources: (a) a recent book on the damaging imposition of adult culture on children; (b) a study on the vital but incomplete role played by children’s own culture; and (c) an amazing new study on the mental health benefits associated with a well known but underappreciated hybrid model.
The book is Alison Gopnik’s The Gardener and the Carpenter, which was discussed extensively at the Institute of Ideas forum I mentioned last time and has been reviewed by Shaoni Bhattacharya in the New Scientist. The basic idea is that parents should be like gardeners, tending young shoots and providing fertile ground but then pretty much leaving the seed of their loins to grow naturally. Instead, many parents resemble carpenters, as Bhattacharya puts it, “chiselling away” at their offspring “to create an image of success that has little to do with their kids’ wishes, talents or needs. They wilt under oppressive over-direction.”
Gopnik, a developmental psychologist and philosopher, says that “parenting”, with its aim of manufacturing a preconceived end product, is a relatively recent and terrible invention. It has become a “management plan”, stuffed with endless schedules, heavy expectations and endless surveillance: some “helicopter parents” supervise their progeny’s essay assignments and cannot lay off even when their “children” become young working adults.
Gardening, by contrast, lets kids raise themselves to a considerable extent, so that they grow up robust, resilient and adaptable in a fast-changing world.
It starts with play. Play is fundamental to learning. Packing their schedules with “enriching” activities robs them of opportunities for mental development that is genuinely their own. Jean-Jacques Rousseau had a similar insight over two centuries ago in his Emile (especially Book II), but this is now backed up with modern psychological research. When children are chained to desks, forced to focus on a life radically different from our evolutionary past, mental health problems are to be expected. As Gopnic writes, there’s “a close connection between the rise of schools and the development of attention deficit disorder”. In the US, Gopnik tells us, 1 in 5 boys have an ADD label by 17. This is a deep systemic problem that has been with us since Rousseau’s day: he knew that over-tutored kids do not thrive. But intensive modern parenting is making things much worse, like the flooding that occurs when rain keeps falling relentlessly on already water-logged land.
I guess heretics here will already be leaping to tell me that ADD, or ADHD, as it is now psychiatrically designated, is massively over-diagnosed in the US, much to the benefit of pharmaceutical corporations but not children. Gopnik could not agree more. She says, “Instead of drugging children’s brains to get them to fit our schools, we could change our schools to accommodate a wider range of children’s brains.”
Psychologist Peter Gray has studied the decline of play in recent times and its implications for psychopathology. He is adamant that for the US at least, record levels of anxiety, depression, suicide, and feelings of powerlessness are now well documented among adolescents and young adults, and that lack of play from childhood onwards is implicated. I highly commend his TEDx talk on this.
In an article titled “The Culture of Childhood: We’ve Almost Destroyed It”, in Psychology Today, he tells us that wherever anthropologists have observed traditional cultures and paid attention to children as well as adults, they’ve observed two cultures, the adults’ and the children’s. The two cultures are not completely independent and separate, and much of what children do in their own world is an attempted imitation of the grown-up one. Crucially, though, in their own cultural space they are free to do things in their own way, practising and learning by interaction with their peers. Gray writes:

Little children communicate with one another largely in the context of play, and the communications have real meaning. They negotiate about what and how to play. They discuss the rules. They negotiate in ways very similar to the ways adults negotiate with one another. This is far better practice for future adult-adult communication than the kinds of “conversations” that children typically have with adults.

This isn’t just theory, nor is it confined to the culture of much freer kids in hunter-gatherer tribes. Anyone who has seen Channel 4 TV’s The Secret Life of 4-Year-Olds (a new series is currently under way) can see it happening in front of their very eyes, recorded by hidden cameras – as in the best wild-life documentaries!
We know that in traditional societies youngsters are often required to take on adult responsibilities at a much earlier age than in our own, but even among hunter-gatherers, Gray says, play extends into the teens. As for our own culture:

As children get older, and especially once they are in their teen years, their communications with one another have ever more to do with the emotions and struggles they experience.  They can be honest with their friends, because their friends are not going to overreact and try to assume control, the way that their parents or other adults might.  They want to talk about the issues important in their life, but they don’t want someone to use those issues as another excuse to subordinate them.  They can, with good reason, trust their friends in ways that they cannot trust their parents or teachers.

Well then, having thus seen off overbearing parents and oppressive schooling, both of which leave too little room for children’s independent development and lead to mental health problems, what is to be done? Something less adult-driven, plainly, something less regimented.
So you might think the very last place to look for inspiration would be an organisation that began not merely with regimentation but with actual military assignments undertaken by boys in the course of the famous Siege of Mafeking in 1899-1900. I mean the scout movement. Robert Baden-Powell, a general in the British Army, had the bright idea of forming the Mafeking Cadet Corps. This was a group of youths who supported the troops by look-out tasks and carrying messages, including under enemy fire, which freed the men for military duties and kept the boys occupied during the long siege. The Cadet Corps performed well, helping in the defence of the town – led by 13-year-old Sergeant-Major Warner Goodyear. This early success gave Baden-Powell the kernel of an idea that he would develop into scouting over the following few years.
But don’t worry about indoctrinating kids with military values. The key thing about Baden-Powell’s Boy Scouts, as they were later to become, was a focus on self-reliance and kids patrolling independently of adults in small teams of their peers. It came to be genuinely about scouting skills – scouting out the land as backwoodsmen and explorers must do for survival in the wild. I have referred to it above as a hybrid model, because it combines adult values and background guidance with active children’s culture.
Now, get this. It was sensationally reported in New Scientist last week that Scouts and Guides grow up to have better mental health at age 50. Not just a bit better, a lot better. A study by Chris Dibben and his colleagues at Edinburgh University analysed data from a long-running survey of almost 10,000 people across the UK who were born in November 1958. They found that 28% of the study’s participants had been involved in the Scouts or Guides, and that these were a whopping 15% less likely to suffer from anxiety or mood disorders at the age of 50 than their peers who didn’t join.
The team found no association between better mental health and participating in church groups or other voluntary groups. Scouts or Guides were not more likely to come from families of any particular social status. Noting, however, that people from poorer backgrounds do have a relatively higher likelihood of mental illness, the report said this effect seemed to be reduced or even removed in those who attended Scouts or Guides.
During the 1970s, the period to which this scouting background relates, both the Scouts and Guides were still focusing on self-education in the context of small peer groups. There was adult assistance,  but not direction. Outdoor environments and physical activity were a major feature, both of which are now known to be good for mental health. Dibben et al.’s detailed report in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health (free download: DOI: 10.1136/jech-2016-207898) speculates that “It may be that this early exposure to the skills needed to work with a small group enables adults to more effectively develop later life social networks”. This would explain why the mental health benefits of scouting extend at least into middle age and could well be lifelong.
Sure, there is a downside. There always is, with everything. The Boys Scouts of America, for instance, has long been a bastion of institutionalised homophobia. And my own older brother quit the scouts in England at about age 12 when he became an atheist and baulked at compulsory church attendance on Sunday. I don’t suppose they still insist on church, or even belief in God, which has traditionally been part of the Scout Promise (in Britain: “I will do my duty to God and the Queen.”) But some heretics here may not like the style of an organisation which features a top-down leadership structure and explicit prescribed values as set out in the Scout Law. This once included (and for some scouting organisations still does) Baden-Powell’s insistence that “a scout is clean in thought, word and deed”. Decent Scouts, he said, “look down upon silly youths who talk dirt, and they do not let themselves give way to temptation, either to talk it or to do anything dirty. A Scout is pure, and clean-minded, and manly.”
Nevertheless, boys will be boys. Not for nothing was there a saying in less PC times than ours: “He couldn’t organise a circle-jerk in a boy scout camp!” This was an expression of contempt for anyone’s incompetence, of course, not a reference to old B-P himself. It was also testimony to the capacity of boys to organise their own “social life” without adult help. As for B-P’s sexuality, he seems to have been too repressed and moralistic for circle-jerks. However, according to his biographer Tim Jeal he had a great fondness for seeing naked boys bathing and also delighted in “artistic” nude photography of boys that would get him into trouble these days.
So do kids need grown-ups as part of their culture at all? Elijah D. Manley ought to know a thing or two about this. He recently distinguished himself by becoming the first ever minor to run for President of the United States in the recent election, at the age of 17, gaining significant support as a candidate in the Green Party primaries. In an online interview last week he used a striking phrase in a plea for adults to back off from attempting to bring about what he called the “gentrification of youth” by means of attacking or trying to influence youth culture.
It is a line that echoes what we have seen above: kids need their own space, from infancy to adolescence. That is right. But I would ask heretics here to ponder why they need it. Peter Gray’s anthropological studies demonstrated that they need it not because youth have no need of adult wisdom. Nothing could be less true. The young are learning. They need space to practise without being judged. But quite soon they will be judged, in the workplace and elsewhere. They need a permeable arrangement, in which adult values are made known to them, and grown-ups are readily accessible, but which they can experience and talk about independently, experimentally, with freedom to take risks and make mistakes.
The mistakes alone will disabuse them of the idea that their own judgement is always brilliant. Sometimes it will be. In some respects, as with adopting new technology, they will often be quicker and smarter than their parents and teachers. But often not. There will be times when they will feel a need to seek the voice of experience – and, yes, the emotional help that can come from a quiet supportive word and an arm around the shoulder. The trick is just to be available, not overbearing. And the adults in this role will do well not to suck up to the kids by overindulging their delusions of maturity. The young need rights, for sure, including legally enforceable ones, but not the patronising pretence that they are grown-up when they are not.
That is why, I suggest, the scouting model works so well for the mental health of the young: it works with the grain of our psychological development, not against it.
Headlined as Part 2 of a sequence on youth mental health, the above piece has not been quite as advertised at the end of Part 1. As already indicated, this was because important new information came my way. However, the theme I originally hoped to consider in Part 2 remains important so I have decided to extend the sequence to Part 3. The UK data examined in Part 1 gave rise to a puzzle: Why is it that boys have more mental health problems in the pre-teen years but girls have it tougher as teenagers and young adults? I will have a crack at solving this puzzle in Part 3.
POST-SAVILE PROBES GO INTO MELTDOWN
The UK’s Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) is now visibly in total meltdown after the BBC’s Newsnight revealed last night that another senior lawyer has quit, with others poised to leave. Aileen McColgan, a law professor at Kings College London was the lead lawyer in the inquiry’s investigation into child abuse in the Anglican and Catholic Church and is the seventh lawyer to leave, according to today’s Daily Mail. She is said to have no confidence in the fourth chair of the inquiry, Alexis Jay, after the first three chairs were also found wanting. Even now, in the news bulletins today, prime minister Theresa May was still insisting she had “absolute confidence” in the inquiry. But it has plainly failed. It is dead. It is an ex-inquiry, as devoid of life as Monty Python’s dead parrot. The longer this is denied, the more ridiculous the government will look.
The news from IICSA comes not long after the Henriques report, trailed on Heretic TOC last month. Although the full report by retired senior judge Sir Richard Henriques was not published, the conclusions were utterly damning, with the Metropolitan Police blasted for “grave errors of judgement”, especially being too ready to believe dodgy informants in its Operation Midland inquiry into alleged VIP paedophilia. IICSA and Operation Midland have been among the numerous hysteric, sorry historic, child abuse probes set up in the wake of the Jimmy Savile “scandal”. One of Henriques’ most serious findings was that police misled a District Judge when officers applied for search warrants for the homes of the key suspects. As for the complainant known only as “Nick”, whose mad fantasies  gave rise to sensational allegations against top politicians and other VIPs, the good news is that he is now under investigation for perverting the course of justice.

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Cyril

“prosocial behavior in survivors of varied adverse experiences, such as intimate partner violence or child sexual abuse (Grossman et al., 2006; Shanthakumari et al., 2014)” contradicts the idea that CSA “victims” can’t help becoming alcoholics, users, psychopaths and sex offenders themselves:

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SoundBite

Nice Nonce notes aMaze-ingly moral NON-FemNazi femme Atkins’ subliminal use of ‘tempted’ – meaning ‘ATTRACTED’?! (“Oh those LUVLY lil Choir Boyz ‘n’ Galz!!” Eh, Mz Atkins?)
> “AA: Yes, of course. It’s very easy to imagine that, although I think it probably won’t. The reason we love to hate paedophilia is that most of us are not tempted by it. More interesting, though, are changes we might see. In 100 years, looking back, we might be shocked by abortion just as we are presently shocked by slavery.”
Meanwhile, when TOC’s completed his pro-KinderLuv trilogy with, “ADULTOPHILIA The Rational Case”. His 4th worthy volume might be, “CENTIGRADE 593” meaning Mein Trumpf’s 4th Reich & Nutz In May’s MandaTory forthcumming, ‘BURNING OF PEDOPHILES ACT’.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation1.htm
VisionaRay Bradbury’s ‘FAHRENHEIT 451’, Swingin ’66 BIG flick. (Rockin ’53 book from his o-riginal ‘The Fireman’ Galaxy mag Rockin ’51). Nice Nonce InflammaTory Note: Vlad’s HOT ‘Loli’ TOASTS @ 1h.24m.18s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0bVqgBSZHk

Winston Smith

Interesting about Tim Jeal’s biography of Baden-Powell, Tom. I’ll have to check it out. The Order of Woodcraft Chivalry was originally a mystic and naturist/nudist alternative to the Boy Scouts founded in 1916 by Ernest Westlake. It still exists.
http://www.orderofwoodcraftchivalry.org.uk/
John Hargrave was an fascinating character, he left the Boy Scouts and formed his own rebel Kibbo Kift group which was inspired by ancient Anglo-Saxon and Native American Indian rituals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXEt7SV1jbA
The Woodcraft Folk was a splinter from the Kibbo Kift.
https://woodcraft.org.uk/

SoundBite

Here’s imorally aMazeing bent-BritBrainCrap no discernible talent ex-news burk Buerk in ‘012.
Immediate post-Savile scandal, fast-runnning from True Brit Marathon man, all round aMuser of millions Saint Jim of Infirmiary, in Totalitarian Tabloid UK, Y2K+12, “DECEASED – No Trial – GUILTY!”
WTF?! (Now then, now then…)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01nbq68

SoundBite

Fair points, as ever, TOC.
But, would no discernible talent ineffectual intellectual snob berk (not burk) Buerk ever open an ineffectual intellectual snobs’ ‘MM’ with, “..no discernible talent” for any/all of the many more, past and present ped-talents listed here, there, and elsewhere ad infinitum? This amaze-ing moral court doubts it.
Case proven. Take no discernible talent ineffectual intellectual snob berk Buerk DOWN, and on for VERY longterm treatment in a VERY secure unit for cUnits.
Bring on the next no discernible talent ineffectual intellectual snob, bent-BritBrainCrap (nut)case* please. (*WAY too many to list here.)

stephen6000

On the subject of minor-attracted artists, here is a piece dripping with righteous indignation about one I’d never even heard of (though it’s good to read about comedian Barry Humphries’ open-mindedness).
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-28/donald-friend-our-favourite-paedophile/8053222

bjmuirhead

The righteous indignation is, indeed, plastered from end to end of that article, which I had not previously had the displeasure of reading. But, and this is a very big but, the power, the subtlety, the sheer exuberance and joy in Friend’s best work is such that attempts to demonise him always have failed. As with all artworks drawn and painted, most of this is lost in photographs, but I have known one or two collectors of Friend’s work, and had a lot of time looking at many paintings and works on paper. As with Jean Genet, even the straightest of straight people, if they have any sensitivity to art, would forgive anything.

SoundBite

The Psychology of Morality. More ‘Immoral aMazeing’ Flag$hit/R4$kin bent-BritBrainCrap mid-Class Mafia mealy mouthed mumblings. Making moral judgements so you don’t have to. Witnesses are David Oderberg, Michael Frohlich, Anne Atkins and Julian Savulescu.
From 30m.13s Right wing prehensile ponce Portillo, “PAEDOPHILIA?”
DEFENDED by NON-FemNazi femme – AA/Anne Atkins!!
NB: On-cam 1999 in Kensington & Chelsea, closet gay Portillo’s callous thug minders (with no remorse from immoral mid-class Mafia Michael) publicly brutalized proud Gay Tatchell rightly protesting in the face of Right wing/wrong-un stinking Tory hypocrisy – among the most immoral of ALL ‘Crimes’. SoundBite’s letter of empathic support to Tatchell was well received with Pete’s personal ‘Thank You’ note now hanging on ye olde LBGTPedAdultoNecroZoo, et al bog wall.
Not for capital punishment here but surely such 1st Degree Hypocrisy should at least be a ‘Hanging Offence’, just stretch ‘em a bit?
NO!! U say?
OK then, a LOT! Hang ‘em high and then streeetch ‘em real loooowww!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0832rjj#play
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?hspart=iba&hsimp=yhs-1&type=xdds_5338_CRW_BE&p=Gay+Portillo
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEV7riuzpYuQsAA0wPxQt.;_ylc=X1MDMjExNDcwMDU1OQRfcgMyBGZyA3locy1pYmEtMQRncHJpZANadmttTDROR1RZQ2I0YXJGWUtSQWxBBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMxMARvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAzAEcXN0cmwDMTMEcXVlcnkDYW5uZSUyMGF0a2lucwR0X3N0bXADMTQ4MDI3Njk4MQ–?p=anne+atkins&fr2=sb-top&hspart=iba&hsimp=yhs-1&type=xdds_5338_CRW_BE

SoundBite

>H-Toc, “She was saying Jesus was not judgemental except against self-righteousness.”
Should also be a mandaTory neck-streeeetchin’ offence for anti social self-Righteous wing/wrong-un, just-mental judgementalists – UK/Tory & U$/Repugnant GOParty poopers?

Libertine

I think you are talking about Saturdays BBC 4 Moral Maze where halfway through paedophilia was mentioned in the sliding scale of future moral relativism/subjectivism, it is a good debate, one person asked “do you think you are better then someone that eats people”, which he couldn’t answer..great stuff.

A.

Regarding circle jerks, I must put in a word for intergenerational lesbian hanky-panky in the Girl Guides. If I recall correctly, in Jeal’s biography of Baden-Powell there’s a throwaway comment that in the early days of the organisation, romantic friendships between senior Guide officials and ordinary Guides were sufficiently common that they excited little remark.
A friend of mine’s cousin was in the Boy Scouts and got to Eagle or almost. What you do depends, apparently, very much on the troop you get; in his they spent much of their time going on camping trips and doing a lot of drugs. He took LSD when he was only fourteen or fifteen, thanks to the Boy Scouts. But he had a great time and no harm done. He has a daughter now, I believe.

Libertine

With all the negativity in the media regarding the new post-savile scandal (still unproven, I digress) Now we have the ‘abuse’ in football hysteria. It makes me despair that further more negative stories are coming out that reinforces what is already accepted as ‘truth’, that man-boy love is ‘always’ a bad experience. I guess anything positive will be on a permanent back-burner for the next fucking century! I have had my second Twitter account suspended for taking a neutral stance on paedophilia, While the people who got me suspended were sending death threats, mutilation, the usual bullshit etc, Yet they still have an account. I will following you ‘Tom’ before you got suspended, I will not reveal the user name I had, But all you did is ask for evidence for a so caller murder accusation if I remember correctly. It must give these moderators a great power trip those spineless cunts. Though my second account got up to 21,000 Tweets, so not bad going considering how people soon forget about free speech when paedophilia enters the fray.

Ouch!

Rephrase H-Toc “WOW! 21K Twits ‘n’ only 20,999 negaTory ones – OUCH!! I’d say that’s very impressive under the circumstances!”
Kwote risque kwik wit Brit fitted fer a suit in Rockin 50 lil flick ‘Up Fer t’ Cup’, “It’s a lil tight under the circumstances!”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_for_the_Cup_(1950_film)

Explorer

Well, Tom, this comment should probably be my first one for this new blog post of yours, since it deals directly with its topic – topic which, as I see, was inspired by my previous act of informing you about resurgence of anti-psychiatry movement. Well, it pays to have the access to the wide (and ever-widening) circle of “radical” and “fringe” topics out there. Being able to look at the world through multiple lenses, and from different positions, gives one a complex, comparative perspective that the overwhelming majority of people, being trapped in a narrow “tunnel vision”, miss profoundly. And such lack of comparative reach is characteristic not only to mainstreamers, but to most “fringe” and “radical” people as well, since most of them concentrate on the specific alternative or contrarian topic of their own and make no attempt to scrutinise the whole field of non-mainstream areas – which contain virtually everything necessary for a complete transformation of mainstream perspective.
Or, in some cases, they do scrutinise – only to denounce any competing lenses of perception, and declare people who look at the world through them pathological – “delusional”, “cognitively distorted”, “rationalising”, “brainwashed”, “hypnotised” etc. These times, radicals and fringe elements act suspiciously like hardcore mainstreamers who maintain that everyone who deviates from the dominant worldview is somehow mentally deficient.
Michael Prescott – a good blogger whom I read occasionally – have long argued against Donald Trump, being virtually certain that he will lose:
http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2016/10/the-last-trump.html
Yet, as we all know, Trump won. Then, Michael made post where he fully admitted and honestly analysed his mistakes:
http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2016/11/eating-crow.html
Among all else, he wrote these truly brilliant words:
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Another unattractive feature of today’s politics is the assumption that one’s opponents have been hypnotized, duped, and brainwashed – assuming, of course, that they are not actually evil. The possibility of honest, intelligent disagreement is rarely broached.
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Such acceptance that one’s opponents are not necessarily pathological types, but just people like you who made a different choice in life, is a precious rarity, since blatant pathologisation of opposition seems to be the most pervasive feature of modern controversies. This feature leads, naturally, to the demonstrative rejection of any discussion (what the sense of debating someone who is mentally twisted and delusional?) and to demands of censorship (delusions, nowadays, are contagious and need to be prevented from further spreading).
The position that postulates that any disagreement with it can only rise from a “mental illness” – or even be a “mental illness” as such – inevitably turns into fanaticism, since it is unable to think comparatively, and, therefore, critically. And it looks even more ridiculous when it is vocalised by the people who profess “tolerance” and “diversity”, such as some authors from “Mad in America” website. For example, look at this post by Paris Williams where he claims that people who question anthropogenic global warming are literally delusional:
https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/06/whos-delusional-support/
Or the comment section of this post by Vivek Datta, where a lot of comments were deleted as “homophobic” (and Datta’s own rejection of paedophilia as sexual orientation):
https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/12/homosexuality-came-dsm/
Or the post of insanity of the post-Trump election world – the one with which you, Tom, have started this blog post of yours:
https://www.madinamerica.com/2016/11/in-post-trump-election-world-what-is-insanity/
Now, I think, you understand what I meant by my warning about lapses into “social justice warrior-ism” when I brought a link to a “Mad in America” here. Such insistence that one’s opponents are mad is quite paradoxical for the people who apparently strive to depathologise “madness”, don’t you think?
Yet such insistence is pretty common to the modern culture of hysterical intolerance (in the guise of “tolerance”, sometimes), where many people are so certain in their utter truthfulness and profound righteousness that they honestly believe that a disagreement with such obviously correct worldview as theirs can only be a sign of deficient mentation and pathological mentality.
This “strategy of pathologisation” reach its pinnacle in the discourse of the mainstream media, which insist that everyone who stands against the state system must be “mentally ill” (and, in the cases of anti-state militancy, dangerously so).
A paradoxical sociologist some of whose writings and ideas I approve and some reject – Frank Furedi – has noticed this tendency of equating anti-state militancy with “mental illness” in automatic mainstream description of Islamic terrorists as “mentally ill” and recruitment in Islamic fundamentalist organisations as “brainwashing”. He states – and, I think, quite validly so – that Islamists are just people who made a totally different choice than non-Islamists did, and operate on the basis of entirely different moral values; and people who join them usually do so consciously, intentionally and voluntarily, not because of being “brainwashed” into zombie-like state by Islamist recruiters:
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/exploding-the-myth-of-radicalisation/17075#.WDW_hjgcRD8
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/terrorism-is-not-a-mental-health-issue/18633#.WDW-rTgcRD8
As Furedi himself described it:
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Advocates of the sudden-radicalisation theory warn that vulnerable young people are radicalised by cynical groomers who manipulate them and prey on their psychological weaknesses. The dramatic framing of the threat – sudden radicalisation – presents extremism as a kind of psychological virus that almost instantaneously afflicts the vulnerable and the damaged. Yet there is growing evidence that this theory of radicalisation bears little relationship to the reality of radicalisation. Individuals who join jihadist terrorist groups tend to be idealistic and possess initiative – characteristics not usually associated with those suffering mental ill-health. And studies show that individuals who embrace radicalism tend to have made a self-conscious and active choice to do so.
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In fact, the overall modern tendency to equate the radically (and, especially, militantly) contrarian or alternative views as a kind of contagious illness – a “mental epidemic”, to call it so – was eloquently described by Harris Mirkin in his “Pattern of Sexual Politics” in this (slightly revised by me) excerpt:
https://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/mirkin_frame.htm
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Ideologies are at their strongest when their correctness is simply accepted, and treating existing ideological categories and divisions as though they are objectively right serves the interests of groups that are considered legitimate. When a core of deviant group members begin to identify with each other and reject the dominant culture’s assessment of their worth… the claim is made that the dominant categories are incorrect and changeable social creations. At this point there is a pre-debate. Dominant groups deny that there is anything to discuss, asserting that existing arrangements are self-evident and intuitively good, usually claiming that they reflect nature and a natural order. Dissenters are dismissed as “radical“, “crazy“, “evil“, or “cult“ figures.
Early conflicts are frequently framed as public health crises. The terminology of epidemics is used, with the various forms of illegitimacy characterized as diseases that prey upon the innocent. Constitutional niceties become less important when a disease is being fought, since microbes and diseases have neither constitutional rights nor moral stature…
The mass media produce a plethora of articles that assume the correctness of the dominant paradigm, demonizing and ridiculing those who question it and trivializing their arguments. Jokes, which serve as a mechanism to preclude serious discussion, are a major rhetorical device. Forbidden worlds are portrayed as bleak and dangerous areas inhabited by psychopaths and criminals, devoid of any redeeming characteristics or emotional richness. Attempts to counter negative propaganda with more realistic information generally meet with censorship, and there are continuous ideological struggles over which representations of communities make it into the mainstream media.
The battle to prevent the battle – the attempt to preserve the vision of the existing order as natural and unquestionable, and thus prevent its maintenance from being seen as a political question – is probably the most significant and hard fought of the ideological battles. At issue is the question of the legitimacy of the groups, since illegitimate groups are not recognized as putting forth valid claims.
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And pathologisation – be it medicalisation practiced by mainstream psychiatry or psychologisation preferred by anti-psychiatrists – is a major discursive method of deligitimising the opposition (be it peaceful or militant). If you will try to research any major controversy, be it anthropogenic global warming, or safety and efficacy of vaccines, or causes of AIDS, or acceptability of fighting against the state, or validity of parapsychological research, or consensuality and harmlessness of child-adult sex, you will find very similar pattern: the proponents of the mainstream view will furiously insist that is no “legitimate” debate, refuse to participate in the discussion and engage instead in creative ad hominem attacks, describing why everyone who thinks or acts differently are mentally distorted. And people on the fringe will try to inverse the accusations, insisting that it is the mainstream and mainstreamers that are pathological. Any attempt to have an honest debate is therefore drowned in a whirlpool of mutual denunciations, presented in the form of “medical” or “psychological” “diagnoses” of the opponents.
Only very rarely it becomes clear to a few participants of the controversy that people on another side are as certain of both their trueness and their normality, and as persuaded that their critics are deluded and demented, as they are. Such realisation may lead this small group of people to an attempt of actually learning, and understanding, their critics’ position. Such an attempt may give a birth to another truth-seeker, an intellectual nomad, an explorer who honestly tries to comprehend what is going on – which leads him to inquire into the whole range of perceptions, interpretations and evaluations which are provided to him by all competing groups conflicting because of all controversial topics, policies and events. This is an endless quest for objectivity – even if full objectivity is unreachable for beings as subjective as we are. Yet, by learning the subjectivities of others, and comparing them with other ones (including our own), we can create an integral picture of the world, which, while being provisional and constantly open for a further revision, still provides us with relatively valid and reliable tool of orientation in the chaos around us – an orientation which is completely absent in all and any totally persuaded true (dis)believers out there.

stephen6000

I think the trouble with describing our opponents as mentally ill is that it doesn’t help us to understand them. And understanding is crucial, whether we seek to defeat them or be reconciled with them.

DibDibDobDob

Loli Lover Learned Leonard rightly ‘erects’ a campfire circle jerk about Brownies.
Quote Wize Olde Brown Owl, “If U can’t start a fire inside a wet cub’s shorts then rub five nude Brownies together in a circle – that’ll get the lil jerk OFF!”

sean

Excellent informative, stimulating, insightful blog as usual.
On Summerhill, I recommend Neill’s first book “A Dominie’s Log”.

Christian

Our model of public school originated in the kingdom of Prussia in the 18th century. It was then strengthened during Napoleonic wars, after some resounding military defeats against France. Since then, the Western model of compulsory public school has been based on authoritarianism, nationalism and militarism. It is the counterpart for children of enrollment for military service of young men.
I talked several times with junior high school pupils (11-12 yo) of school and university organization. They told me how their daily life was regimented, that in the school’s library they could borrow only some books, not others, that they had to eat at a precise hour, etc. They were flabbergasted to learn that in university, when students do not have a lesson, they are free to do what they want, that you can eat when you want, the only constraint being that if you want to use the university restaurant instead of a fast food or sandwich bar, the opening hours are limited and you have to queue at peak hour.
Moreover, in our school system, pupils are age-segregated, children do not have significant relations with older or younger children, only with their age peers; it has been observed that children learn much from older children and see them as their models. In the Middle Ages, where learning was based on repetition year after year and memory (there was no printing, thus books were scarce, even paper was expensive), the various ages were mixed in classroom.
In contemporary society, inter-generational relations are very narrow, they are restricted to those of children and youths with parents and teachers, who are legally invested of authority, whose job is to have high expectations about pupils in their care, and whom the children cannot choose. While Gray says that in order to feel free, kids should have a greater part of life with other kids, I would be less restrictive and say that they need more opportunities to be with people of their choice who are not in a relation of authority and do not have high expectations, whatever their age. I once knew a boy in a village who was interested in military vehicles of WWII; he befriended a man who had in his backyard an old jeep and other old motor vehicles, so they spent their free time together repairing these vehicles then driving them together in the fields. The boy’s mother saw that her son was happy in this way. One could similarly imagine children choosing to learn a subject they like and then choosing the teacher with whom to learn it, in opposition to the present fixed curriculum and imposed teachers.
In statistics about the psychological well-being of children, there must be a large part that is specific to the UK and the US. In both countries adults are paranoid about children and stranger danger, parents watch their children more closely, so children feel that anxiety and suffer from it, while they resent their lack of freedom. Things would probably be better in this respect in countries like France. Remember also the research by Tiffy Field, showing that kids are much more cuddled in France than in the US.
Also Western kids do not spend enough time playing outdoors, as they did in previous generations, they rather play with screens and buttons of the latest multimedia technology, that is not good for their nervous and psychological balance. They don’t exercise enough and childhood obesity is on the rise.

stephen6000

>One could similarly imagine children choosing to learn a subject they like and >then choosing the teacher with whom to learn it, in opposition to the present >fixed curriculum and imposed teachers.
Absolutely the kind of radical thinking we need in education.

sean

==it has been observed that children learn much from older children and see them as their models==
Sexual culture is naturally transmitted from older to younger children and the masturbation panics of the 18th Century triggered a segregation of age classes for this reason.
Also, this book: “Liars, Lovers, and Heroes: What the New Brain Science Reveals About How We Become Who We Are” by Steven R. Quartz and Terrence J. Sejnowski, has an interesting discussion of the emergence of the modern state school system from a hybrid of Henry Ford’s ideas on mass production and Nazi educational philosophy. Its well worth a read.

sean

In the late 80’s I was blown away by the work of Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, a prime mover of the Human Genome Project and a pioneer of evolutionary studies spanning genetic and cultural components. One of his early studies was into distribution of surnames in a region of Italy and their correlation with genetic markers.
Some people are suspicious of this kind of research as it raises the spectre of ‘social darwinist’ type ideologies but I would argue that evolutionary science has done more to discredit pseudoscience than to encourage it.
I’m convinced that attraction to children is maintained as a natural variant of human sexual behaviour precisely because cultural transmission is such a crucial aspect of human evolution. I think much of the intensity of debate we have around this subject is a consequence of the centrality of this articulation in a wider cultural context. People assume the right to indoctrinate their children and are extremely suspicious of influences that might subvert that indoctrination.
On this theme, yet another good read is “The War for Children’s Minds” by Stephen Law.

Explorer

Well, speaking about Trump – one of the reasons why he was supported is a cultural one: many people are so tired of intense “political correctness” that they are ready to support anyone who openly mocks it. I, myself, feel quite sad to observe the hysterical agression and narrow-mindedness of the post-1960s movements with which I, generally, sympathise with – such as feminism. These two articles describe this modern cultural problem shortly, but eloquently:
http://claremontindependent.com/social-justice-warriors-are-the-reason-donald-trump-exists/
http://claremontindependent.com/political-correctness-is-destroying-feminism/
Damn, we desperately need some revitalisation of a serious, courageous, no-safe-space, open-to-debate liberatory stance which we witnessed in the dawn of modern epoch in the mid-20th-century…

SickToDeathofMisandristLeftists!

SORRY! You can’t have it that way. YOUR generation attacked the family and destroyed fatherhood leading to the current social workerization of society. Enjoy YOUR feminist tyranny of a thousand years! And things are going to get WORSE for people like you.

leonard sisyphus mann

You raise some very interesting questions, not least of which is – if ‘schooling’ is indeed the problem your article suggests it is – do there exist alternative models of education and childhood that can deliver the very high levels of knowledge (literacy, numeracy, IT skills &c) required for the functioning of contemporary society?
Is it possible that children are trapped in a pincer-movement? That society has become so complex and technology-driven that, like geese force-fed to produce paté-de-foie-gras – the only way to produce citizens who can make society function is to force-feed them ever more intensely and for ever longer with the requisite skills, knowledge and attitudes?
In the 1950s in the UK only a small proportion of the population went on to university, today almost 50% (http://www.bbc.com/news/education-22280939 – though this figure is disputed elsewhere) of school graduates go on to university or the equivalent.
Maybe over-long and oppressive education is one of the prices we have to pay for the society we live in.
This deterioration in our children’s lives gives us another pressing reason why we should be considering deep social change – away from an economic growth model that is forcing this educational hypertrophy onto children.
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Very interesting about the cubs and the scouts (not to forget the Brownies – how could I forget them!) – I always thought that they were great institutions and have many friends who were part of the movement. I hope to get round to reading the study by Chris ‘Dib-dib’ Dibben.
But can they provide a viable model for an alternative education?
>’Scouts or Guides were not more likely to come from families of any particular social status.’
That surprised me. I expected that, from personal experience, a disproportion of cub-scouts come from upper-working class and lower middle-class families – the classes that in the UK were traditionally keenest on education and self-improvement. But I guess my intuition does nothing more than betray the kind of neighbourhood I grew up in, and which my cub pack drew its members from.

bjmuirhead

There are many alternative education systems working within the constraints of the current system, or at least this is the case here. In Queensland and Victoria, for example, there is SOTE (http://www.sote.qld.edu.au/), where children are given a great deal of individual attention and the chance to follow their own educational directions. It is one of the highest ranked schools in Australia because of this.
My point is that we do not need to look very far to find alternative approaches to the current educational system which work, and work well. The difficulty is encouraging (sic) government schools to undertake something a little different, even when it can be shown to work.

stephen6000

And in the UK, we have Summerhill School (and a few others). I believe Summerhill survived an attempt a few years ago by the government to change its methods drastically or close.

Jonathan

Summerhill is a wonderful concept. I hope it survives, and thrives, in this century too.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/may/27/summerhill-school-head-profile.
-some comments from A.S. Neill’s daughter and current head of Summerhill.

SickToDeathofMisandristLeftists!

A wonderful place for rich kids to be sent. GET A JOB and some perspective.

bjmuirhead

When I was a young’un, I was in love with the idea of Summerhill, I’m glad it has survived attempts to destroy it.

bjmuirhead

Nevertheless, boys will be boys. Not for nothing was there a saying in less PC times than ours: “He couldn’t organise a circle-jerk in a boy scout camp!” This was an expression of contempt for anyone’s incompetence…
This, and the preceding paragraph, gave me quite a laugh.
In the late 1960s, I was kicked out of my local scout troop because I didn’t believe in god, and was unwilling to swear allegiance to the Queen. None of us was ever in trouble for our “circle-jerks”, as you call them, nor for our collections of pornography (gentle though it was) that we kept in a nearby shed.
Nor did we get into trouble for taking very bright torches and lighting up older couples fucking in cars and nearby scrub. In fact, our troop master led those particular expeditions, and rather ingenuously lied to the police when they appeared and asked if we had seen anyone out with bright torches.
I suspect that things haven’t changed that much.
Apologies for having nothing serious to say to this post at the moment, but that’s because you brought back some interesting memories, both good and not so good.

bjmuirhead

Well, life was somewhat different then, especially in Australia, where all of the cliché notions about us were more correct than not. Unfortunately, these days, she’ll be right, mate! is more likely to be replaced with a moral or legal complaint.

Opinion

StreetWize UP!
Mein Trumpf is just the latest in a 4 centuries LAWNG line since the o-riginal Right wing/wrong-un role model White Anglo Saxon Protestent/WASP serial psycho killer narcissto-fascist HENRY fake claimed, “Dieu Et Mon Droit”.
https://www.google.be/search?q=Dieu+et+mon+droit&rlz=1C1SKPL_enBE421&oq=Dieu+et+mon+droit&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.6222j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

Dissident

The mistakes alone will disabuse them of the idea that their own judgement is always brilliant. Sometimes it will be. In some respects, as with adopting new technology, they will often be quicker and smarter than their parents and teachers. But often not. There will be times when they will feel a need to seek the voice of experience – and, yes, the emotional help that can come from a quiet supportive word and an arm around the shoulder. The trick is just to be available, not overbearing. And the adults in this role will do well not to suck up to the kids by overindulging their delusions of maturity. The young need rights, for sure, including legally enforceable ones, but not the patronising pretence that they are grown-up when they are not.
In response to this point, I think one thing we need to keep in mind is that intelligence and wisdom among adults varies greatly from one to another. Oftentimes, kids will not know better than adults, as you noted, but oftentimes they will, all depending on a variety of factors. One reason parents need to step back is because even if the parent in question is truly wise or experienced, their close emotional relationship with their child can all too easily compromise objective judgment, and result in decisions revolving around the parents in question wanting to retain control out of a powerful, sentimentally driven fear of “losing” their child’s full love and attention. And too many adult teachers supported the authoritarian schooling system that enabled them to indulge their bullying power trips on students on a level often approaching impunity.
Also, as you noted at the beginning of your article: Let’s not forget it was adults–and millions of them–who voted for either Trump or Hillary, the two most disliked and atrocious candidates in American history, and these same millions totally accepted the extortionist measures of the two major political parties who gave them a choice between just these two individuals. It was these same adults who were so quick to adopt identity politics on the side of the Democrats, a factor which drove countless numbers of people to the side of the Republicans, and these millions were quick to stand behind Trump on the “any change will do” basis. There was nothing remotely “mature” about these actions from millions of adults, nor any degree of wisdom or great knowledge that is always assumed to accompany a certain number of years on the planet. Yet there are many examples of youths younger than 18 who are making intelligent judgments and arguments, including many of them moving beyond the two major political parties due to their greater willingness to embrace fundamental change than typical adults.

feinmann0

“Although the full report by retired senior judge Sir Richard Henriques was not published, the conclusions were utterly damning, with the Metropolitan Police blasted for ‘grave errors of judgement’, especially being too ready to believe dodgy informants in its Operation Midland inquiry into alleged VIP paedophilia.”
And yet, from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3940190/Why-21-strong-police-team-investigating-Heath-11-years-died-Damian-Thompson-says-probe-surreal-waste-time.html dated 16 November, grave errors of judgement appear still to be routinely made by those we pay to keep us safe:
“How many ‘prominent people’ do you think are being investigated by British police over allegations of historical sex abuse? A couple of dozen? As many as 50? That would seem unlikely – but who knows, given the feverish speculation surrounding recent claims that ageing television personalities and deceased politicians were secret child molesters?
The number of politicians, celebrities and other dignitaries – dead and alive – accused of historical sex offences now stands at 3,000. In the past six months alone, the total has risen by 700.”
The logic of all of this begs the question: How many innocent men currently languish in UK prisons?
So long as the media, governments, rabid man-hating feminists, the CPS, and the police wage war against men by empowering the accuser and thereby shouting stranger danger from every rooftop, the biggest casualties, as Peter Gray suggests, will be the youngest generation.

SickToDeathofMisandristLeftists!

The biggest casualties “will be the youngest generation”.
Might sound like good rhetoric, but I think the biggest casualties will be the so-called “minor-attracted”.

Dissident

That was a great and justly damning article. It’s just unfortunate that it ended on an extreme bias that really throttled me: “But the more resources, time and money are poured into pursuing historical sex abuse allegations, the less likely it must be that today’s paedophiles will be brought to justice.”
It’s sad and even tragic to see that despite all of the lies regarding sexual abuse that are being exposed, the British media still conflates pedophilia with sexual abuse, and still automatically calls anyone even hypothetically involved with sexual abuse as “pedophiles.” Still no official differentiation between the feelings and actions of Kind people, still no acknowledgement that the majority of sexual abusers are not actual pedophiles but opportunistic molesters, and still no consideration for nuance in certain intergenerational liaisons despite all the research becoming increasingly available. I guess the Daily Mail still has to be mindful of the sponsors who pay its bills *sigh*

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