Two cheers for ‘barely legal’ Bonnie

Love it or loathe it, you can’t help but be impressed. The TV documentary 1,000 Men and Me: The Bonnie Blue Story, which aired on Channel 4 late last month, told – and discreetly showed – the story of how “adult content creator” Tia Billinger had sex with over a thousand men in a London “event space” in January, in the space of just 12 hours.

Tia Billinger: blue eyes, blue performances, professional name Bonnie Blue.

Wow! I don’t know which is more impressive, the sheer durability of the lady’s lady parts or the men’s required shagging speed, given that on average they would have had no more than 40 seconds each. Even British guys, notorious for premature ejaculation, might have been hard pressed to get the job done.  Tia, professional name Bonnie Blue, said the actual number was 1,057 men because there were 57 still in the queue before the 12-hour time period was up, and she didn’t want to disappoint them. Isn’t that sweet? “I’m basically a community worker”, she says, and her conscientious approach suggests she is a very good one.

She isn’t picky either, accepting anyone “from barely legal to barely breathing”. At the daring “barely legal” end of the range she has done special sessions for students aged 18 upwards, and you have to think she would be happy to invite minors of any age, too, if she could get away with it. After all, she says her own active sex life started at 13 and she doesn’t regret it. She has also said she wants to do a session for the disabled and disadvantaged, including those with Down syndrome. It all makes her a paragon of diversity, equity and inclusion, so what’s not to like?

Well, you will not be surprised to hear she has no shortage of critics of her “immoral”, “depraved”, “end of days”, etc. performances. Feminist philosopher Kathleeen Stock, writing in UnHerd, was among the naysayers. Inevitably, the commercial aspect came into her critique. Bonnie’s “gimmick”, she said, was to have sex on camera “with what she calls ‘normal men’, not porn stars, then make subscribers pay to watch”. Gotta love that sly “make”! The implication seems to be that Bonnie illicitly groomed these hitherto innocent subscribers, manipulatively cheating them out of their pocket money! Quite a lot of pocket money, as it turns out. She reveals to the documentary team who followed and filmed her life and performances that her earnings were up to £2 million for the most recent month.

Did the punters get value for money? The gangbang sex action is much too speedy to include sophisticated sexual gymnastics but that’s not the point. Stock is closer to the mark with the word “gimmick”. Bonnie is offering something new, something you wouldn’t get from the professional porn stars. The most appealing aspect of this from a MAP point of view is a lovely provocation in which Bonnie sets up a “lesson” (presumably “sex education” but the documentary steers clear of that) with a class of “pupils” in school uniform. Barely legal? Looks more like pre-legal. The “schoolkids” in question are indeed of age though. They were recruited from young OnlyFans content makers, this being the platform Bonnie herself used until she was banned for violating a rule against “extreme challenges”.  We are introduced to one of these young performers, who says she is 22 but could easily pass for 12.

Stock tells us that the day after seeing the Bonnie documentary she went to give a speech at an annual summer school run in memory of conservative philosopher Sir Roger Scruton. She wrote:

We don’t really need to wonder what Roger Scruton would have thought about all of this, because in 1986 he wrote a book called Sexual Desire which told us. In it, he sketched a Platonic ideal of sexual arousal: of erotic desire involving mutual recognition and communication of pleasure between you and your partner, ecstatically directed towards an irreplaceable particular person in all their specificity, rather than towards a mere selection of body parts, or some pictures on a screen. Sexual desire in this ideal state is individualising, not objectifying; it is a “cooperative enterprise” between two people, discovering new aspects of the mysterious other; it is sacred and full of awe. It is the absolute opposite of hundreds of men standing in boxer shorts and balaclavas, waiting for a few seconds of bodily contact with a woman they have never met; or of thousands of spectators, home alone with credit cards out and flies unzipped.

I have read Scruton’s Sexual Desire: A Philosophical Investigation, to give the  full title. It is a dense, difficult, 438-page tome that I have studied in depth and critiqued in an academic paper. Briefly, I am not impressed. The trouble with the idea of sex as “sacred” is the narrowness of the morality to which it leads. Scruton was a homophobic bigot who loved nothing more (except perhaps seeing animals torn apart in blood sports) than discerning “obscenity” and “perversion” in any erotic deviation from his ideal standard and denouncing those engaged in such alleged sexual transgressions as “vile” or “disgusting”.

Superficially, the idea of restricting sex to loving, committed relationships is attractive. Commitment is certainly a bedrock requirement for bringing up kids. They need stable homes, and it helps when parents love each other as well as them. But the mistake is to sanctify sex as a binding factor, a holy sacrament. Scruton’s writing is secular, but his tone is religious, and his thinking sits well with Christianity’s traditional suspicion of sex (a flame that must be extinguished where possible and sanctified when it cannot) from St Paul onwards. Sex therapist Olivia Fane has put her finger right on love’s missing G spot:

Sex is not about souls. We have sexual desire when we want to have sex, not when we love someone. If that wasn’t the case, it would be the oldies who were all having rampant sex after 40 years of a happy marriage, who’d be the writers of agony columns advising those poor young people how being kind and considerate and bringing a cup of tea to their partner in bed will really get the pulse racing.

Lust, as opposed to love, is often despised for its supposed baseness and animality. But why? It is not self-sacrificing, as love is; but it is not inevitably nasty and selfish either. Just because you have an intense desire for someone’s body does not mean you have no regard for their rights and feelings. Your attitude depends on other feelings you have, which may well include kindness and goodwill.

And even love is not beyond criticism. As philosopher Harry Lesser has pointed out, “Genuine love can have a very selfish element – a desire to control and dominate another person spiritually in ways that are much more exploitative than the mere temporary use of his or her body.” (quoted in Ethics and Sex, by Igor Primoratz).

Three cheers for Bonnie Blue then?  Not quite. Sure, she’s a breath of fresh air for barely breathing old-timers like me; and she offers a ray of sunshine for barely legal youngsters. Boys, especially, hear little except victim feminism’s depressing, demoralising, incessant drumbeat of puritanical drivel telling them sex is a poisoned chalice, and males are just a bunch of harassers and potential rapists. It’s great that Bonnie’s message is much more pleasure-positive and pro-male. So why deny her that third cheer?

If it were just about Bonnie, I wouldn’t hesitate to award all three. But it isn’t, because commending her work without identifying any downside would be to ignore a deplorable and dangerous aspect of the social media platforms, where she and other online celebrities compete for the viewing figures on which their fame and fortune depend. While competition is usually a good thing in commerce, driving the innovation that gives us useful product improvements and brilliant new inventions, the online attention economy has become notorious for generating extremism. In the battle to win the views, and keep ahead of the game, performers find they need to come up with new stuff all the time. And all too often the most obvious way of doing that is to repeat the winning formula but take it to the next level. If someone has shagged 10 guys in a gangbang video, you do a hundred. And when they’ve done a hundred, you whack it up to a thousand.

No big deal, you might say. Nobody is forced to take on that level of challenge. It’s an expression of personal freedom. We should celebrate that, along with the opportunity to make enough money to obtain lasting security and a decent standard of living. What worried me more, though, was when we heard about Bonnie’s latest proposed stunt. She would put herself naked in a glass box on public display in what she calls a “petting zoo”, inviting anyone passing by to do anything they wanted to her. Anything? We didn’t see the small-print T&Cs, but the documentary footage appeared to suggest people might be allowed to hit her. The project looks so reckless we have to wonder where it will all end. Bonnie tells us she gets death threats daily, hundreds of them. Her biggest fear is an acid attack.

Again, we might say it’s her face, her life, her decision. Much as we would be horrified to see her suffer a truly vicious, life-changing assault, personal freedom is not lightly to be curtailed just to keep us all safe. That would be to set us on a life-denying course that would soon rule out everything from rough contact sports to crewed space exploration.

We might, however, feel it is time to tackle the attention economy’s perverse incentive to produce ever more sensational and all too often harmful online content.

Some of those harms, to be sure, we should simply learn to live with, such as people suffering offence from so-called “hate speech”.  Being able to let off steam in strong language is an indispensable aspect of free expression in a democracy. Not that abusive language is conducive to reasonable discussion leading to deeper understanding. It isn’t. Which is why I won’t put up with it when moderating the comments here at Heretic TOC. If people want to be rude to each other, let them do that on Twitter/X or in a heated exchange at Wetherspoons.

Also, for fans here of OnlyFans and other mainstream “adult” content online, I think we can agree that tackling online “harms” should not include making it harder or impossible to visit such sites, including Pornhub and others. The UK’s Online Safety Act has rightly been under severe attack recently for having exactly this effect. When new age verification rules came into effect late last month, Reform UK called the Act a “dystopian” measure that would drive youngsters towards VPN use and take them a step closer to accessing the dark web. The first part of that prediction came true immediately with a dramatic rise in VPN usage. I suspect Reform leader Nigel Farage has shrewdly judged that plenty of adults of all ages will be turning to VPNs rather than giving details that risk revealing their identities when proving their age. It looks like a massive vote winner for him over the whole age range of the electorate, especially now that Labour has promised votes for 16-year-olds.

Labour’s desperation to avoid giving Reform a huge boost is to be seen in their aggressive language, with tech secretary Peter Kyle and others saying Farage must be a friend of paedophiles if he is against the Act. That would have come as news to Nigel, I’m sure! But Labour have been hoist with their own ultra-feminist, anti-porn petard. Their parliamentary and government ranks are crammed with killjoy ideologues. These “social purity” warriors have been itching for decades to close down all porn outlets, not just ones that give access to minors. The age verification scheme enabled them to bring that a step nearer, while hiding, as ever, behind child protection as an excuse.

But this is the easy stuff to talk about, the stuff we can agree on here. So what about the real harms the big platforms are failing to deal with, evidently because the unimpeded attention economy, with its algorithms that incentivise extreme content, is the only thing the greedy capitalist tech moguls care about? How else are sites to be brought to heel when they  permit really bad stuff, if not by something like the Online Safety Act? Stuff such as material that features and facilitates eating disorders including anorexia, plus self-harm, including horrific mutilation by cutting, and the promotion of suicide? Stuff that is  targeted at teenagers? And as if all that were not bad enough, the latest in the news this week has been sites featuring kittens being tortured and killed. I will not be checking to see if such sites really exist (I couldn’t bear to look), but I doubt anyone is going to tell me it is just an urban legend.

In her attack on Bonnie Blue’s work, Kathleen Stock focuses on something rather less extreme but also disturbing for some of us. She notes that Bonnie is a “big fan of being choked”. I worry that this dangerous practice is becoming increasingly common among young people, and my guess is that the online world has done much to make it fashionable – with guys at least; not so much among girls, I would think. Bonnie said it was just a matter of being vocal about consent. Stock again:

But having to read out an ever-growing list of internet-approved acts you positively don’t want to participate in, every time you get into the bedroom, does not seem to me a liberating state of affairs for anyone. And for every future dead, strangled daughter who once watched a Bonnie Blue video — or whose sex partner did — it won’t be much consolation for her family to think she nominally had a choice.

While I do not think the practice is a matter to be choked off, as it were, by restrictive legislation, I do feel Stock has a point on this one.

As for whether the Online Safety Act is overall a good thing or not, I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with Farage: the age verification strategy is terrible and needs to be dropped. I find it much easier to support the government’s aim of discouraging self-harm, etc., sites, but whether the Act is the right vehicle for that is extremely doubtful. The government’s stated aim of cracking down on material that is judged harmful but not illegal looks like guaranteeing the law will be applied with oppressive overreach. But we need to see how it works in practice over the next year or two.

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Of all the books in all the world… A book by your host here, Tom O’Carroll, has turned up surprisingly in a photo that appeared in the Philadelphia Inquirer and elsewhere in the US media. Can you spot it? It’s right there in the middle but you might not know from the name on the cover as I was writing under the penname Carl Toms. Not that the name is legible but the big clue is the man-boy illustration, especially the single glove around the boy’s shoulder. Got it? It’s the cover of Michael Jackson’s Dangerous Liaisons. The Inquirer story explains all. Well, not quite all. Intrigued? I hope so!

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A MAGA MYSTERY IS EXPLAINED

Researching Michael Jackson, as I did for many years while working on my book about him, I didn’t find it difficult to get a handle on his psychology. Many found him deeply puzzling, an unfathomable enigma. But to me (and I’m sorry if it sounds arrogant or overconfident to say this) his heart and mind were an open book. His family background explained much; and, as I shared his attraction to young boys, it was much easier for me to understand this than it would have been for your average writer on pop music or celebrity culture.

What I have found much tougher in recent years to understand has been Americans’ weakness for bizarre conspiracy theories that cast paedophiles as a hidden elite, malignly running the deep state. It surfaced in 2016 with Pizzagate, when top Democrats including Hillary Clinton were alleged to be running a child sex ring involving a  pizzeria in Washington, DC. QAnon soon followed this up with related allegations.

Now the situation had morphed to a MAGA obsession with Jeffrey Epstein, a theme that at least has the merit of not being a total fantasy. Epstein was a real person, who had an undoubted interest (like literally billions of other males) in teenage girls, and he was an elite figure with elite friends. However, he was nowhere near to being “a paedophile”, as traditionally defined, i.e. having a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, so his lifestyle can hardly be taken as evidence that paedos are in control of everything (or anything). But that is a detail that doesn’t interest the MAGA folks.

It has all seemed completely bonkers and incomprehensible to me. Until now. In an article called “Critical Pedo Theory: Understanding one of the core tenets of the modern American Right”, Scott Greer explains everything. He is on the Right himself, being a contributor to The American Conservative, and is no fan of paedophilia. But just as it sometimes takes a paedo (me) to know one (Jackson), Greer knows the Right from within, and I find his explanations convincing. You can see his full article here, but you can get the gist from an extract:

This issue is important to much of the Right due to the belief in “Critical Pedo Theory.” This notion imagines that the world is ruled by a pedophile cabal and “systemic pedophilia” is inherent to the current order. These elite pedos are evil by nature, which is why they use space lasers to cause forest fires and wield their weather machine against red states. These right-wingers hoped Trump would battle the cabal as president. QAnoners thought he did so in his first term, clinging to fake news stories about the admin secretly arresting and executing prominent child molesters.

The Epstein announcement came as a shock. Here’s their leader telling them that a core element of their worldview isn’t true. Rather than follow Trump’s advice and move on, they’re up in arms, with some threatening to ditch MAGA altogether. It illustrates how fundamental CPT is to a large cohort of conservatives. Trump bombing Iran and implying he may be open to some form of amnesty didn’t elicit anywhere near this kind of backlash from his base. For a significant number of Trump voters, the pedo cabal matters more than anything else.

Critical Pedo Theory emerged in the mid-2010s. It gained credence as a response to the Left. For years, liberals would condemn right-wingers as racists. Racism is one of the great taboos in American society. The other is pedophilia, so right-wingers began calling leftists kid diddlers to defang racism accusations. The Right’s embrace of conspiratorial populism transformed this rhetoric into CPT. Conservatives were no longer just calling the Left pedos to defend against racism smears – they now concocted an entire worldview centered on pedo cabals. Pizzagate and QAnon soon followed.

Further on, Greer briefly highlights how the definition of paedophilia has been stretched:

Age gap relationship hysteria demonstrates the strength of the taboo around pedophilia. Women now call men who date younger women pedophiles, despite both parties being adults, because they know it’s the worst label one can receive. They hope it will shame men into dating women their own age.

I am sure he is right about this, but there is much more to be said on the subject. One writer who delves much deeper into it is another figure on the Right, Richard Hanania, a buddy of JD Vance. His article has the merit of drawing on an evolutionary perspective. Here’s a brief taster:

There’s been a cultural shift over the last two decades in how we think about human sexuality, one in which we’ve simply lost touch with biological realities. The idea that teenage boys can be victimized by older women, like the demand that men only be attracted to women of their own age, can only exist in a culture in which many aspects of heterosexuality are repressed, if not demonized.

 

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

Sentences in England and Wales (and probably the rest of the UK) for “sex offences against children” have more than tripled in length in the 30 years since the mid-1990s, according to an AI trawl through Ministry of Justice figures. Back then the average was just under two years whereas now it is over six.

This will come as no surprise to those of us who have been around long enough to see the long-term trend emerging from a steady stream of cases reported in the media over the years, and who have seen new laws brought in to increase maximum penalties.

It is possible that much of this upward trajectory has been on a smoothly rising curve, but what catches the eye is the occasional case when a judge goes mad and suddenly takes draconian sentencing to a whole new level, taking us ever closer to the US “carceral state” model . That is what happened a couple of months ago in the case of leading LGBTQ+ activist Stephen Ireland, co-founder of Pride in Surrey, when he was given a whopping sentence of 24 years for the “rape” of a 12-year-old boy, along with related lesser offences.

Had it been a real rape Ireland would have had little cause for complaint when we bear in mind that rape carries a maximum life sentence. But it was plain that the boy had been actively seeking out sex with men – he met Ireland through the gay hookup app Grindr, for fuck’s sake (literally!) – and that in a sane world there would have been no prison sentence at all for this de facto consensual encounter. The kid even lied about his age in his bid to get laid, initially telling Ireland he was 17. Jurors heard that Ireland described him in a message to his partner as a boy who “wants to play with men’s bodies”.

But in flat contradiction of the obvious fact that the boy was up for it, Judge Patricia Lees claimed Ireland “took advantage” of “a vulnerable child”. Instead of admitting the boy was highly sexed, just like almost every male adolescent, this presumably feminist judge chose to put her own spin on it by describing him as “highly sexualised”. In other words, his sexuality was somehow not his own but the result (as she explicitly speculated, without evidence) of prior “grooming”.

In my view, this is one of the most egregious cases of unjust sentencing since Oscar Wilde was sent down 130 years ago after one of the first celebrity trials. As Wilde was one of the great literary figures of his day, it was to be expected that the trial outcome would be a public sensation, attracting huge publicity.

Ireland’s fame is nothing like as great, but he was a flamboyant, high-profile figure in Surrey and it is striking that his lengthy incarceration has not generated much of a public response from the LGBTQ+ community. Where is the shocked reaction? Where are the placards and protest marches? All we’ve had is a stunned and possibly embarrassed silence. What a sad and sorry sign of the times that is!

Stephen Ireland, outrageously flamboyant co-founder of Pride in Surrey. But where is the outrage over him getting a 24-year sentence for a consensual encounter?

 

DON’T DISMISS DAWKINS

Late last year, and in January this year, Heretic TOC did a two-part blog, the first called “Time to get real: woke is broke”, the second being “Clearing up the conceptual confusion”. The first looked at how woke identity politics, especially on trans issues, may have cost the Democrats the US presidential election and ushered in a second Trump term. Part two examined the conceptual muddle that had allowed such dubious politics to thrive.

My intention, as I said at the time, was to unravel some knotty conceptual areas of confusion, not to trash the trans cause but, among other things, to strengthen it by giving it a foundation grounded in reality rather than the ridiculous and dangerous fantasies then being peddled by extremist activists.

This second part was the most difficult, intellectually challenging blog I have ever done, but I am in no doubt it was worth the effort, not least as regards investigating the non-binary aspect of sexuality. Note that I say “sexuality”, not sex. What I argued was that gender is non-binary (and so is our sexuality as individuals) but that sex is not. Sex is strictly binary, and we get into all manner of difficulties if we try to ignore or obscure this fundamental fact.

Now, I am delighted to report, the legendary evolutionary biologist and science communicator Richard Dawkins has given us a new essay on the subject that explains it all with far more authority and eloquence than I could muster. Dawkins is something of a hate figure on the woke left, rather like JK Rowling. This is unfortunate in both cases, but especially that of Dawkins, whose values are civilised and humane and who, above all, really knows his stuff. Accordingly, I would invite everyone to check out his new essay in UnHerd.

 

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Even though it’s seemingly impossible in today’s society, little girls (and I have nothing in principle against little boys) form a massive part of my psyche and creative imagination. I engage in regular fantasy regarding them, whether innocent fantasy (going to a restaurant with a little girl) or sexual fantasy.

I wrote about little girls starting almost fifteen years ago and have completed 200,000 words on the topic, entitled ‘The Living Waters’ after a poem by Thomas Traherne, a spiritual poet who idealised childhood.

Even if the joy, happiness and pleasure I get from little girls cannot be realised in a concrete way in the real world, we have the power of our minds to reflect upon, and to engage in fantasy: to create whatever scenario we like in our private moments; and this it seems is far preferable to nothing.

Tyson furys daughter is 15. Prob to old for you. Or is she! Was reading comments on daily mail site. People saying she looked 40. But! People also calling her ‘child’ and ‘baby’ even ! Bunch of crack smokers…..

1981 Anglo MAP-AAM movie, “Private Lessons” now non-PC – even the poster maybe Anglo BANNED CSA?

No doubt sparked 1990 French MAP Brigitte, 39, to fancy French AAM Emmanuel, 14, and autre HOT AAM Lads?

CAUTION: Anglo retarded, er, restricted audiences only!

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082948/?ref_=nm_knf_i_2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYS2zn2OyZ4

Map films? Well i have pretty baby. But im such a map i havent even watched it. Its for novelty value really. I do h ave american beauty. Il have to get the blue lagoon films,liqorice pizza. Millers girl is not map film but a big age gap film. Ah yes and the 1968 romeo and juliet. My father the hero .. any more ideas?

Hello everyone I know I haven’t been on here for a while but I have been thinking about equality re orientation and as we are aware the homosexual community for years have complained about being seen as second class citizens due to their sexual preferences, trans people are now complaining about their preferences being stigmatized because they are no longer allowed to use the same changing rooms with the genders that they identify as but what about the heterosexual convicts in this country at least that have never been allowed to engage with the opposite sex whilst they are in prison yet the prison system has no objection to homosexual prisoners engaging with each other whist they are in jail together, is that a sort of two tier system that oppresses heterosexuals or should the heterosexual prisoners just grin and bear it in the same way as maps have to grin and bear it?

Sadly the gays have become the bigots that they hate. Not all of them but most. And im demonised for finding females attractive who have boobs pubes reproductive systems and are charged for crimes…. Trans well a lot if them bigots too . Look at blair white

I was going to rant about grooming gang discourse and the Epping hotel protests, but my comment below is long enough… Suffice it to say, that this short clip of what is apparently a 14-year-old Scottish girl brandishing an axe and a (huge) knife, whilst they screech at a male asylum seeker to “get the fuck away” from them, has gone viral with over 40 MILLION views.

Personally, I think their arrest was justified and understandable. Many young people do commit heinous acts of violence, and these highly emotional young people certainly could have done so… There is no evidence from this clip, that this man posed any threat to them in any way, only speculation. Certainly, he is not the one raising his voice, brandishing weapons, and also seems to be on his own, making him more vulnerable to being attacked. No civilized, safe society should tolerate threatening people with knives or axes in public, and key questions such as how and why such a young girl had left her home in possession of such weapons have yet to be answered. By contrast, to me at least, this young lady appears as unhinged and dangerous. We don’t want more deeply mentally ill people like Axel Rudakubana, stabbing people in public, so an investigation and mental health check is in order.

A less biased towards the “migrants = rapist / dangerous terrorists” person, would notice how extremely unusual this situation is, with the young lady seeming to have weapons hidden behind her back rather bringing them out from a bag or elsewhere. Did she leave her house with intent to use those weapons (i.e. commit an attack)? What happened prior to this clip? Without fuller context of these people’s lives and choices leading up to this moment, it’s hard to determine the “truth” of what’s going on. We don’t even know what the man is saying in this short clip, since no popular commentator to my knowledge has bothered to translate it…

Anyway, the takeaway is that fear of MAPs, or more broadly sexual attraction and sexual attention directed towards the young, is being used to bolster anti-immigrant and anti-MAP sentiment. You can see this in recent anti-immigrant protest footage, where people chant “pedos” and “nonce” whilst holding “protect our kids” signs… Unfortunately, with a bit of digging, it’s clear that single cases of what usually amounts to not a lot – but get described in lurid and emotive terms like “sexual assault” or “sexual attack” – are being used to paint an image of non-white men as sexually rapacious, backwards savages, out to get “our (implicitly white) women and girls.”

To me, it’s fucked up that so many people are being stereotyped and stigmatized based on the actions of a tiny number of alleged criminal cases. In the Epping case, which provided and excuse / spark for riots and protest, a male asylum seeker reportedly chatted to some teenage girls’ sat outside eating pizza, and after some discussion attempted to kiss one of them. He was rebuffed, rejected, and at some point the police were called. The man, now in court, denies this allegation. He is, I remind everyone, “Innocent until proven guilty.” But what has horrified me is the description of an alleged attempt at a kiss as “sexual assault” and a “sexual attack.” I mean, come on people. This is hardly the end of the world, nor a reason to decry whole buildings of people as “pedos” and threats to children…

Turns out I was right to be skeptical. As usual, most people aren’t overt public stalkers, rapists, etc., despite what the media and far-right fear peddlers want you to think.

Police have now confirmed that in reality, contrary to false and (imo racist) assumptions, it was the girl with the knife who accosted what was in fact a Bulgarian (brown) man and his wife. Both are legal residents of the UK legal, not asylum seekers. The 21YO man, Fatos Ali Dumana, sates that he was simply walking to the local shops…

‘Migrant’ confronted by schoolgirl, 12, wielding axe in Dundee says he came to UK legally and did nothing wrong.

Police urge public not to share ‘misinformation’ amplified by Elon Musk and Tommy Robinson

Chief Superintendent Nicola Russell said: “We are aware of misinformation being shared on social media in relation to an incident where a Bulgarian couple were approached by youths in St Ann Lane, Dundee, on Saturday, 23 August 2025.

“In the video she’s saying, ‘Don’t touch my sister, she’s only 12’… I never touched her. I didn’t hit her […]

“I was going to the shop and she was stopping me going on my way. If I did hurt the girl, why didn’t the police arrest me?”

“I am not an illegal migrant. I have not done anything… I did not hit them, I am a human not an animal.”

“I’ve seen what’s on social media every day, I want people to know what happened.”

Feminists keep blabbing on about male stranger danger, the right wing feminist parents add an anti immigration element of “foreign male rape gangs”(when the girls seek out the men themselves), and people are surprised when young girls act out against men in new and interesting, mentally ill ways?

A 14 yr old brandishing an axe and knife? 14 yr olds are innocent so no need to worry ….

This Portuguese YouTuber got 48 MILLION views(!!!), on a documentary-style video decrying what he calls “Adultification.” (Which you can watch with English subtitles switched on).

That is, he complains about children and young people making videos, dancing, podcasting, and trying to set up or learn about business and make money. He decries what he sees as “children acting like adults,” rather than taking the fact of said behavior as a reason to question if the “child/adult” binary he has rigidly ascribed to people of different ages, is in fact more porous, fluid, or “queer”…

I do find it both jarring, odd, and funny to see what look like very young children speaking on professional-looking podcast sets. But at the same time, I’m happy to see anyone, young or old, trying to establish a good life for themselves while pursuing their interests, hobbies, and passions. This video smacks of moral panic; the presenter literally says “What is happening to our children? Society is going to collapse.”

No bro, the economy’s fucked and floating up above it all, the kids are just forging their identities and trying to express themselves. They’re using technology which wasn’t widely available to previous generations, to attempt set themselves up for a good career at a young age. That seems a perfectly sensible, reasonable thing for an ambitious young person to do, and something I bet many older people wished they’d have done in their younger years… You wanting this “to stop,” smacks of you just you wanting to control the young. Trying to force young people into ways of living that fit with your desexualized, “innocent” ideal image of what a “child” and “childhood” should be. Ways of being that don’t offend your precious sensibilities, hurt your delicate feelings, and god forbid make you “uncomfortable”…

Well I’ve got news for you: humans are sensate-erotic creatures from birth ’till death. And no matter how much you screech, piss and moan, you won’t erase the human preference for neoteny, nor the fact that people under whatever arbitrary age you set “a child” at (12, 14, 16, 18), will still self-sexualize, seek sexual experience, and if nothing else have rich fantasy lives. This is reality for all human history, and your fearmongering won’t change that…

The reality is that some people under 18 express themselves sexually online, in ways they probably shouldn’t be if only for their own legal safety. Get over it. Breaking up families, sending people to prison over non-violent behavior, isn’t helping anyone. I’ve known people who, in their youth, had unlawful age-gap sex or sexual chats with adults online when they were teenagers. You know what came of these experiences? Nothing! No one was hurt or “traumatized,” they all just laughed about it and moved on with their lives. The worst thing that could’ve happened for all involved, is for people like you to come in and make a problem out of nothing. There are already “report” functions on every website for users who are unhappy w/ other users’ behavior…

It’s high time we took a sober look at the reality of who’s really harming who. Stop the panicking, the criminalizing, and the stigmatizing of fucking dance tiktoks and erotically charged selfies. Start looking at how we can maximize freedom and fun in people’s lives…

I wrote a huge rant about how evil and twisted the world is becoming, but didn’t post it in the end. For what set that off, see the news story that’s gone semi-viral online. Screenshots of news media here, or as media itself put it:

Finley Bowd 21 was arrested at Dublin Airport and charged with having ‘anime’ child sex abuse images while travelling to Comic Con in New York.

He is described as a man “with limited means,” i.e. poor, only having his mother to depend on, and had no prior criminal convictions. He is now being “charged with two offences under section 6.1 of the Child Trafficking and Pornography Act”…

This media use of the phrase “anime,” next to “CSA images,” sent the internet into a frenzy of incredulous terror. The ruling class really are ‘coming for your cartoons’, overtly policing the kind of body types, behaviors and dispositions which can be legally represented in a drawing or animation (i.e. big boobs, butts, penises and ‘mature’ dispositions only). As the based and free-speech-pilled manga/anime commentator Chibi Reviews put it: “You Can Be Arrested for “Anime Images” Now.. I’m not joking.”
I’m sure I echo the sentiment of many when I say, this world has lost the plot…

The “ruling class” is simply unimpeded sex-negative feminists.

Michael Scheeringa, MD, The Trouble with Trauma (March 1, 2022).
Potential book of interest.

I Reported Destiny to the Police – WallyMacShow (Aug 22, 2025)

A few times now, I’ve mentioned the famous liberal/left-wing YouTube streamer and politics debater “Destiny.” He’s been critical of QAnon, the moral panic over Epstein, and the framing of 17-year-olds as asexual, innocent “children.” I think he’s one of the most reasonable figures in online politics, and probably one of the greatest threats / opposition forces to the online political Right, since he is willing to do real life events and live debates such as his recent “Unfuck America Tour.”

It’s no surprise then, that he has a lot of haters in addition to supporters. Many people have a vested political interest in shutting him up, or just starting drama and using his name for clout.

I’ve posted about the current real-life lawsuit he’s in, over an adult-adult, consensual sexting scandal. But now, Destiny’s troubles may be getting worse, as he is now accused of “possessing child porn”! What do the growing number of online commentators mean by “CP”? You guessed it, a 17-year-old!! Not even a 7-year-old or a “child” in any meaningful sense of the term, but a young lady who allegedly shared porn of herself and her boyfriend!

It’s crazy, and likely overblown nonsense. For his part Destiny has posted to Twitter stating that he has “no CSAM” on his computer (see Tweet at 5 mins here). I hope it’ll all blow over, but the saga seems another indication of how wildly hyper-sensitive the online world is becoming around questions of age and sex…

This is a country that charges 12 year olds as adults ,17; yr olds as children,and wont let 20 yr olds drink. Boycott american profucts when you can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age_in_the_United_States
In the USA, 21 is the minimum age for drinking alcohol.

Sorry should be clearer. Actually the legal drinking age in the uk is 5. So the 17 yr olds have to drink with the 5 yr olds. At home. It truly is the twilight zone.

You are pretty well educated tom. But theres always something. Also 17 yr olds can be fined £1000 for attempting to buy alcohol. Great protection,huh? Scum ..

Well i think its ridiculous that you can drink at 5 but have to wait till 18 to in the pub ( of course in my heyday many thousands did until the goverment clamped down massively). Happy to take taxes off them though ??

A small clarification. The online world was beginning to become hyper-sensitive in the early 2010s. The emergence of phenomena such as “cancel culture” and “MeToo” marked the end of its formation. It is now a self-sustaining process that leads to the expansion of restrictions and censorship. It is not surprising that the UK once again became the first to introduce these restrictions in a recent scandalous bill.

Correct. #Metoo marked the true weaponization of sex negative feminism that continues to this day with the help of feminist institutions and NGO’s.

Hi! Long time no see.

If I may advertise this here, I am hiring voice actors (any skill level is welcome to submit) for a small personal creative project featuring MAP characters that I plan to complete sometime next year. See below for further details.

Link to the casting call video: https://fstube.net/w/tFMSgpjL1YPs3Pj9Mjucz1

Link to the casting call pdf: https://finlayqueer.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/casting-call-for-you-are-not-at-school-1.pdf

I’m no fan of the BBC and probably have a very different world view of Huw Edwards, but there was an article on him comparing his looking at a few images to actual violence. Nobody should be locked up for a Tweet or for looking at images online no matter how distasteful you might find them in a free society. Someone mentioned Huw’s victims, for a start, they are not his victims if they’re at all victims in reality.

But what about his ‘victim’ the 17 yr old who he paid for images? But 17 year olds arent innocent. See the southport stabber? Make up your minds if you have one,people.

I have some history in being chocked, but that was in a real fight where I was in a headlock as a teen, I felt faint and it went to the ground. Some years later I was in that situation a few times but just picked the guy up and slammed him to the ground. To overcome the flashback and to bolster my confidence, I would get a mate to headlock me and squeeze and hold and I would test myself against it. That gave me my confidence back. We can be irrational at times and I remember not feeling my best when it happened and I probably had some sort of virus. We can’t choose when we would like to be attacked I guess.

Ive been beaten up a few times. And nothing to do with my views. Umpleasant . verbal attacks also unpleasant and yes had that for views… Names can be just as bad. But how do we deal with this name calling? You sound like u can handle yourself. Im.not advocating violence.but you could pin them against a wall and warn them…

 personal freedom is not lightly to be curtailed just to keep us all safe. That would be to set us on a life-denying course that would soon rule out everything from rough contact sports to crewed space exploration”

Don’t you remember the Covid PsyOp, where abuse of the Public Health Act 1984 (where it never mentioned locking down healthy populations) Had people locked in their homes over a virus with similar IFR is the flu. Since then my trust in Government and MSM were at an all time low. I already distrusted the Government & media from reading blog posts on this site and the Rind study etc.

Sorry about the links-dump Tom, saves a lot of repetitious text and vast screen space?

[MOD: At least it’s a relevant one, about a topic under current discussion.]

Disgrace to MAPs insult to Humanity Jesse Timmendequas’ 1994 sex murder of Megan Kanka, 7, lead to U.S. Megan’s Law Registry, 1996, and U.K. Sarah’s Law. Register 2009.

Opponents of Megan’s Law, like Women Against Registry,[24]National Association for Rational Sexual Offense Laws,[25][26][27] and Human Rights Watch,[28][29] have called the law overbroad and an invitation to vigilante violence.

http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/timmendequas-photos.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Megan_Kanka

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan%27s_Law#:~:text=Opponents%20of%20Megan%27s%20Law%/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_Against_Registry

https://ww1.womenagainstregistry.org/

No surprise no NON-Anglo ridiculous registers, or French 1st Lady Brigitte Macron would be on one!

À 39 ans, prof de théâtre au collège de la Providence d’Amiens, Brigitte Trogneux tombe amoureuse d’Emmanuel, son élève de 14 ans.

https://www.off-investigation.fr/10-en-off-delinquants-et-ultra-riches-3-6-brigitte-et-emmanuel-enterrer-un-scandale-pedophile/

Yeh. American mentality- 7 year old gets killed. lets punish the hell out of anyone who does anything with a 17 year old

Hanania & Tracey hard at it doing the real lord’s work for us …slowly but very surely w/ minimal disclaimers (= stumbling-bloX/scandial-ups)
https://open.substack.com/pub/richardhanania/p/the-end-of-prostitution?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=3pkhw
I will only add for now a genius bit of ‘doodle’ art from a goodly Kraut I know

[MOD: Doodle art: CENSORED. I know, I know, it was really very mild but this site has to be careful.]

I love that these two have joined forces. Their ongoing effort to actually investigate the architects of what Michel Tracey calls “the Epstein myth,” is getting funny: https://www.mtracey.net/p/the-webb-whitney-weaves

The more I dig in, the more information I gather, the more I’m convinced that approximately 90% of what people think they know about the Epstein “matter,” and then project outwards into a fever-pitched political/cultural/legal narrative, is either wildly exaggerated, wholly unsubstantiated, or straightforwardly fictitious. Much of that has to do with the media’s utter refusal to apply a modicum of critical scrutiny in their copious coverage, for a variety of potential reasons: it’s forbidden to question “victims,” we have to “believe survivors,” they sense a politically embarrassing issue to use against Trump, etc. etc. etc. Whatever the reason, it’s created a public apprehension that I maintain is approximately 90% unfounded.

Julie K. Brown: Groundbreaking Epstein journalist, or ridiculous myth-peddler?

Whatever the truth, most men would kill to be sent to an island where hot teens serve their wishes. Honey traps are long established in politics to keep people on message. All we know at this time is this….Maxwell is in jail for trafficking nobody, and that is very suspect.

Wow a thousand shags in twelve hours, she must have been in agony from the soreness.

If I masturbate three times in a day, for a protracted time, I can get a blister.

She must have been in so much pain!

@Dissident and other veteran GL

Newly opened GL board. Welcoming, and designed to be secure.

https://girlsarethebe.st/

[MODERATOR: Christian’s post below makes a strong personal attack. This is his personal view. I wish to make clear that I know nothing about the situation described other than through what he says and through the GATB statement linked here by Lex. My decision to publish Christian’s comment should not be taken as an endorsement. Anyone holding a contrary view to his, or to the GABT position, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. As is widely known, HTOC generally discourages personal attacks, and that policy will continue. However, it is clear that there has been a state of turmoil at another site within the MAP community and it would be wrong to suppress debate about it for the sake of politeness.]

The two statements on that GATB site confirm what I learned from my brief membership of Visions of Alice about 5 years ago, which ended quickly with my expulsion on a whim. I summarise my conclusions below. You are free to reproduce this text in the GATB forum, provided that you mention my VoA name “Agapeta”.
VoA is a sect, a cult. Its organisation is pyramidal, like the Catholic Church, with many ranks (with increasing access permissions), and culminating in an all-powerful individual. At the bottom you have “newbies” (catechumens) who submit for admission, then members, “active” members, “senior” members, different levels of moderators, some other titles, “admins”, and at the top a supreme leader akin to the Pope (or North Korea’s “beloved leader”). Like the Catholic Pope, he has the power to excommunicate anyone at any time, but unlike the latter, he usually does so without consulting his Roman Curia or the council of cardinals.
Unlike many popes, this leader is devoid of culture, he never produces any scholarly or artistic contribution to the blog or to the magazine. In fact, he is at pains typing a correct sentence. Also his memory is unreliable, scrambling the links between facts and people. For instance, he first thought that I was the web host provider for the site Pigtails in Paint. Another time, after I wrote about precocious girl poets, he stated with an air of certainty a fact about Nathalia Crane, which was false, while this was a correct fact about Minou Drouet.
Given my blogging experience, I was coopted as member of the editorial board for the magazine (getting thus a higher rank and more reading permissions). Although the board meetings were convened at hour H.00, the editor-in-chief always declared the meeting open around H.15, when the big leader could at last arrive. During the meeting, the latter would give advice to authors whose culture and writing skills were way above his.
Some fora can thrive when the owner feeds them with scholarly contributions and practices a cautious moderation, like yours truly HTOC or Ron in the now defunct Pigtails in Paint. But without scholarship and caution, the leader maintained the site with intimidation or gratuitous accusations. His favourite reproaches were lack of support for the “political left” or even endorsing the “political right”, or advocating unethical sexual behaviour. Although “flaming” was forbidden, he bypassed this prohibition by posting links to some of his posts on Girl Chat, which were pure flame.
With such an uncultured leadership, the general mood was gloomy, many members exposing their depression or suicidal tendencies, some confessing their addiction to legal stimulants (like caffeine), etc.
One day, during a discussion on accusations of rape, he accused us of apologising for rape. I replied something like “Don’t treat us like kindergarten toddlers, we’re grownups.” The he sent me a furious private message titled “last warning”, mentioning the site as “MY FORUM” (in uppercase), and threatening me with expulsion. I answered him privately to express my disagreement with the way he posted several times, and he immediately threw me out of VoA.
Since then, I never had any relation with them. Once, the deputy chief of VoA sent a message to Pigtails in Paint warning against some named person active on the web; Ron asked for my advice, I told him to ignore it.

I have a low opinion of VoA, but the idea of caffeine addiction sounds pretty funny to me.

Is there anyone I could ask about the membership of the site before deciding on whether or not to try signing up? There were certain members of VoA who I think made the site worse, I’d like to know if they’re members of the new site.

Speaking of the the white elephant that is the register. The mother of april jones was campaigning fir people to be on it for life no.matter the offence. Being brave i actually contacted her and told her about the 19 yr old who got killed by some freak for being on the register. Offence ? Sex with someone a little bit before their 16th bday. I got a reply. Didnt read it tho. Could have been offended. But maybe i made a difference,?

Didn’t read it? Sorry Matt but you don’t make a difference with hit & run!

Better a hit and run out gan.nothing! Far as im swate thete has been no legislation for register for lufe for any crime in the uk. Yet…. People need to realise theres abig difference between touching someones butt and rape…..

*aware. Sorry. Need to be a bit more attentive when typing…

Some MAPs on the Pediverse were complaining about a group called “Collective Shout”, because they got some “harmful to minors” games censored.

It identifies as a Feminist group, but the founder is completely unsurprisingly an anti-abortion fundie who whitters on about “pornsickness”.

I also found that the entire liberal media hates this group, and the group makes normies question the widely idea that porn consumption harms kids.

https://www.map-union.org/blog/reactionary-wolf

It’s just the latest in a long line of child protection NGO parasites that are riding on fear of losing your children to unfeathered degeneracy of the adult world. Compared to decades past, however, CS has made the (fortunate for us) mistake of raising their head at a time of strong political and social division where everyone is hypervigilant of any opposing group. NGOs and child protection advocacy groups pressuring hosts and website owners into banning content someone has complained to them about is something that has been going in since the early 2000s. Given the social stigma around and lack of public defense for it, porn has almost always been an easy target for them.

his lifestyle can hardly be taken as evidence that paedos are in control of everything (or anything)

I agree with the analysis on CPT. That hysteria is fed by conspiracies. However, there is a paradox with the Epstein’s case. It is very possible that the Right in the US gets eventually defeated from this case because of internal divisions and controvercies over not publishing that famous Epstein List. I guess it’s hard for them to go against a millionaire, anyway. So in the end, maybe the pedos end up destroying the Right. Not because of any action, but because of their mere existence. As you say, Epstein, unlike Michael Jackson, was not technically a pedophile because he was attracted to adolescents, not prepubescent children, but these days nobody cares about being sensible any more.

Anglo Perverse Puritans ‘Wimmins Hour’. Clucking Hens/Fucked Up Ducks/National Nannies/Nitpicking PHDDs PinHeadDancingDickheads.

Anglo Perverse Puritans NORMALIZE free to air for all-ages 24/7 HORRIFIC Porn of WARS pain, death & destruction of kids bloody tortured in plain-sight.

Anglo Perverse Puritans CRIMINALIZE healthy sex-porn of pleasure in plain-sight for all-ages.

August 19, 2025: Woman’s Hour:

..warning from the Children’s Commissioner, two years on from her landmark report on the scale of children’s exposure to pornography online. Research out today from the Commissioner’s Office finds that more children are being exposed to pornography, with a growing number stumbling across it by accident, some younger than six. Much of the content children encounter is violent. The report also reveals troubling attitudes towards women and girls: nearly half of 16- to 21-year-olds agreed with the statement, ‘Girls may say no at first but can be persuaded to have sex.’ Joining Nuala in the studio is the Children’s Commissioner Dame Rachel de Souza.

https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/m002h9vs

If any of you here wanted a neat and tidy rundown of all those times public sex registry data was used by American vigilante killers, I just published that very article for Mu.

https://www.map-union.org/perspectives/mu-lowdown-10-times-americas-sex-offender-registry-was-used-with-lethal-effect

I would rather see the punishments that the brainless vigilantes got. They are punished,right ?

I worry that this dangerous practice is becoming increasingly common among young people, and my guess is that the online world has done much to make it fashionable – with guys at least; not so much among girls, I would think.

Here’s an article on this topic that you may find interesting:

https://blackfrancis.substack.com/p/learning-from-porn-dont-worry-everyone

While concerns about sexual choking are understandable, the article—drawing on evidence from multiple studies—makes a good case that the rise in the practice is not due to online pornography making it fashionable.

The author explains that choking during consensual sex is very different from dangerous strangulation, as it usually does not completely cut off breathing or only does so for a brief moment. She cites a study showing that most women who have been choked during sex report enjoying it and notes that most people do not consider choking to be rough sex. By comparison, most people who have experienced choking during The Choking Game, intimate partner violence, or sexual assault did not enjoy it at all.

The studies cited show no support for the idea that exposure to online porn causes people to imitate harmful behaviors.

Has anyone seen the newest obsession over the online game Roblox?? Tons of creators are making nasty content about how it supposedly “protects predators,” and acts as a venue for interaction between the ages.

Since it’s popular with kids, Roblox has been a favorite target for this kind of panic mongering for years. But, this time they’re being sued by Louisiana’s Attorney General, who called the platform “the perfect place for pedophiles.”

https://corp.roblox.com/newsroom/2025/08/roblox-responds-to-louisiana-ag-lawsuit

on the Philadelphia Inquirer photo, everybody else seems to have the same book. Does anybody know what book is it?

Oh, I noticed I was looking at a… I don’t know how to call it. Like a pamphlet on a stick. It’s purple with yellow. Not a book

The Kalos Boylove logo really is the gift that keeps on giving

Swivvel-eyed pizzagaters are once again high-fiving each other after identifying the much sought-after pedophilic symbol, this time on a “suspicious bowl” behind Barack Obama, aka “Bathhouse Barry” during a conference call.

I’ve just noticed that people keep using the language of the Online Safety Act uncritically, and I *strongly encourage* you not to do so.

Language creates discourse which shapes reality. In this case, instead of “porn,” people keep saying “adult content,” a subtle language shift used to exclude those under a certain age.

It’s another example of control for terminology, as well as deliberate vagueness which – in my view – helps give rise to fear and moral panic. When people hear vague terms, they are more able to fill in the non-specificity with their own worst imaginings.

If I say “X at 15 gave a blow job to Y, 24”, that’s specific and clear. If I say, “X was abused at 15 by Y, age 24”, I have no idea what the hell happened and I might start to wrongly imagine that X was brutally raped and beaten.

It’s important to always be as specific as possible, to always implicitly deflate discourse by ridding it of its built-in, emotionally manipulative content. So, it’s “porn,” “sex,” “bondange porn,” “hentai / cartoon porn,” not “adult content” or “child-sexual abuse material.”

Language matters and these are small but necessary parts of building resistance.

Absolutely. It is crucial to master the language. Everyone should take note of your comment.

That’s why they coined the term “child sexual abuse material” as a replacement of “child pornography”, as it suggests that any depiction of an under-age is by definition an abuse.

Another example, perhaps more subtle, is the word “child” itself. It refers to newborns and to 17-year-olds alike. It is intended to generalize, dividing the world between children and adults. It’s a binary approach aimed at over-simplifying reality, a first step to later ease the justification of legal and moral conventions. I encourage everybody to use “adolescents” or “teenagers” whenever it makes sense in the context, just to get around that binary view. I think that in latin languages “enfant”, “bambino”, “niño”… is more used for pre-pubescent children, but this nuance is getting lost. Lost in translation, also. Actually, “children” should be translated as “enfants et jeunes”, “bambini e giovani”, “niños y jóvenes”, etc…

The idea that porn is harmful to the young is an extension of the idea that having anything to do with sex is harmful to the young. It’s bunk bullshit and I’m convinced that “the silent majority” know so, but aren’t willing to argue about it online or publicly.

People who make money off online content don’t want to risk their channel getting banned. This has become even riskier since positive discussions of MAPs are a TOS violation on sites like Twitter, leading to a totally warped, biased, and one-sided impression.

We therefore tend to only see autistic people (Amos Yee), academicd or anonymous people with little reach, naive/authentic people at the start of their careers (Vaush), or those who are well established and comfortably rich enough to take risk (Aella, Destiny) pushing back on age-gap discourse at all.

The people who, for years now have posted non-stop about how “creepy” X or Y is, how “problematic” drawings, cartoons, and young people being able to view porn apparently are: these people are to blame for the huge reductions in online freedom we are seeing rolled out before our very eyes.

You can’t post for years and expect no one in government to notice, think “shit this is popular!”, and take action… Mastercard and other payment processors were originally the ones holding porn companies / hosting websites to ransom, so these bastards get a huge share of the blame too.

But ultimately, the UK’s Online Harms Bill (now “Safety Act”) wouldn’t be possible if a puritan culture terrified of children having any semblance of freedom hadn’t been fostered. Anyone who’s participated in age apartheid, tried to shame people for dating legal adults and terrorizing the masses with fear about “pedos” on every doorstep: these people are guilty of making society worse not just for children, but for all of us.

Fuck them and fuck the age-gap Antis. You reap what you sow; keep making the world worse and see how you like it. It’ll only make the impetus for pushback that much stronger…

Do you have on hand the TOS part that states “positive discussion of MAPs” is a violation? Does it explicitly say “promotion” thereof. Is forbidden? Or what?

Any non-emotional, non-negative and neutral discussion about MAP people is considered by antis as “positive and promotional” based on the dogmatic belief that all MAP are predators and rapists, which underlies the interpretation of the restrictive policies of all platforms.

Because of these obscurantist beliefs, the Wikipedia page about MAP was removed, and it is simply impossible to imagine a situation now where a well-known journalist would calmly talk to a representative of MAP as Larry King did when communicating with a representative of NAMBLA.

Political correctness, which has been cultivated for decades, has resulted in a cancel culture and a neurotic, obsessive paranoia about offending someone. People are being weaned off reasoning and perceiving facts neutrally.

Sometime before the Allyn Walker controversy, so around 2020, Twitter instituted policy against anyone they judged to be:

promoting or normalizing sexual attraction to minors as a form of identity or sexual orientation

The term “MAP” being used positively will likely get you banned for “promoting and normalizing minor attraction.” Some accounts survive of course, but it’s a precious affair…

Around the same time, the posting/sharing of any erotic artwork that could be seen to depict minors sexually was also banned:

illustrated, computer-generated or other forms of realistic depictions of a human child in a sexually explicit context, or engaging in sexually explicit acts;

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/jivj46/twitter_looks_like_twitter_has_updated_its_tos_to/

There was considered to be a “MAP” problem on Twitter, with the topic often gaining massive and disproportionate attention since it divided people, provoked discussions and strong reactions. Eventually, Twitter was bought by Elon Musk, and has updated its TOS language since then.

If what I’m seeing is correct, Twitter’s TOS now continuously uses terms like “violence” and “sexual violence against children.” It’s “violence” all the way down, which is arguably worse and far more ridiculous framing than what had emerged from past crackdowns.

https://help.x.com/en/rules-and-policies/child-safety

*”precarious,” not “precious” as I wrote. Spelling error…

P.S. here’s a highly viewed video about the “Twitter Pedo Invasion” – https://youtu.be/mfEgDiRe7_I?feature=shared

This creator Shoeonhead has been consistently anti-MAP, setting off multiple waves of outrage and moral panic with her videos about Balenciaga, Prostasia, etc.

Thankyou Prue. Your diligence is one marvellous thing to behold, and no mistake, NTM perlustrative grade coverage of the territory!
Oooh but might I let loose a jest? Every time i think of you I think of those products like “I Can’t Believe It’s Not Butter!” If “Prue” was a product, we’d have “I Can’t Believe It’s Not MAP”

AAM Jenny, 9, “Mommy can I marry your boyfriend’s big brother now? I really like his kisses and hugs and he says he has no girlfriend.”

“No, Jenny, you’re too young, and what if you got pregnant before age 16?”

Jenny, “Well, I haven’t got pregnant in the past year!”

I wonder if paedophilia has some evolutionary purpose. It cannot be by chance that nature has made young people, children and adolescents, extremely beautiful and extremely attractive to certain men who are able to see what others do not see. It is clear that if paedophilia exists it is because nature created it, and millennia ago, when mankind was not yet so primitive, it must have been seen naturally by all men.

Pedophilia has clearly evolutionaries purposes because love for children, with sexual undertones or not, is beneficial for the survival of the species. The same cannot be said for love between two grown men, unfortunately.

Seriously if adolescents hadnt been having sex with older people none of these antis would even be alive ! And the irony is they are all part pedo as thats who created them !

In prehistoric times it must have been quite normal and common for children and adolescents to have sex and for pregnancies to occur in early adolescence.

All non-reproductive sexual activity can be interpreted as being for fun, pleasure, sexual practice and education, or even as a (potential) precursor to reproductive sex.

If one’s benchmark is “done it make the baby?”, then homosexuality would initially seem to be disqualified. But it’s not really accurate…

Heterosexuality and homosexuality, just like pedophilia, denote a prefential attraction: the same / opposite sex or features indicative of pre-pubescence. Being a homosexual or pedophile does not prevent one from having reproductive sex with a fertile female, it just makes it less likely since the individual isn’t preferentially attracted to women.

Pedophilia seems to me, particularly relevant for early sexual learning, sex play, and preparation for one’s later sexual life. Evidence from historical accounts where minor-older sex led to lasting friendships and the boy/girl went on to have a heterosexual, reproductive relationship (e.g. Emilio Papa apropos Norman Douglas), as well as non-western societies where early sexual contact was institutionalized and accepted, would seem to bear this out…

I think we also have to accept that many people are not wholly exclusive, and can find some level of sexual / erotic appeal in whatever may not be the thing they are preferentially attracted to, even if they only ever engage with that thing (e.g. a gay man with a woman) due to their culture or in experimental periods of their life (typically early adulthood). I have met many gay men who have had sex with women just to try it, for example. Some MAPs also end up doing the deed and having children themselves…

The men could stay more than 43 seconds with Bonnie if she had sex with several ones at the same time; a woman with two or three men is standard in porn (one hole for each), and you also have “bukake” with a dozen men around a single woman.
Erotic choking (or rather strangling) was popularised in the film Ai no Korīda (In the Realm of the Senses / L’Empire des sens) by Nagisa Ōshima. Japanese erotic art often exhibits BDSM.

News flash- choking porn is being banned in uk. At least i thinkthats whati saw… Everything will be banned eventually i guess

The LGBT+ movement is a fraud. It claims to defend the rights of persecuted sexual minorities, but won’t lift a finger to defend the most persecuted and massacred sexual minority of all: paedophiles. Not even when its own leaders are unjustly imprisoned. A deeply hypocritical movement, since they know very well that minors can consent and many, if not all, gays are sexually attracted to minors, at least to teenagers. Because of their complicity in the heinous witch-hunt against paedophiles, I consider the LGBT+ movement one of the main enemies of the MAP movement.

It should not be forgotten that the prosecution of consensual relationships between adults and minors causes profound suffering not only to the unjustly prosecuted paedophiles, but also to the homosexual minors who are implicated in the process. The LGBT+ movement is thus knowingly complicit in the suffering of millions of homosexual adults and minors.

It doesnt even care about people in age gap relations! Even if the partners over 20! Countless times ive seen hateful comments about perfectly legal encounters.looked up profile and lo and behold rainbow flag! So people with minors… Yeh . Their love is love hatred and bullying will really come out… No. Wait im not allowed to hate this movement or im a bigot. Lol the irony

For these “rainbow” people who are bigoted about age gap in relations between adults, quote the famous “The Love that dare not speak its name” speech in Oscar Wilde’s testimony during his trial: https://www.famous-trials.com/wilde/342-wildetestimony

When I was younger, I was often attacked, insulted and even harassed by gays just for expressing my preference for teenagers. But even expressing my interest in 18 or 21 year olds, which I’m not really even attracted to but that’s all I could even minimally aspire to, I’ve still continued to be attacked and insulted, and accused of wanting to take advantage of them because they are still too immature and “innocent”. It is unbelievable that there is so much stupidity, intolerance, ignorance and evil regarding sexual matters, and it is even worse when it happens within a social group that claims to fight against all that. They are big hypocrites, because I’m sure they are also attracted to young people and teenagers and have had more than one experience. I never liked gays because of the way they are, but over the years I have developed significant homophobia to the point that I absolutely do not want any kind of dealings with homosexuals, verbal or otherwise. Furthermore, I consider homosexual paedophilia to be a sexual orientation in itself and as distinct from teleophile homosexuality as heterosexuality itself, so I have no incentive to relate to them.

I really dotn want to stoop to their level, but if they call me names from now on i will have to dish out the F or D word. ?? you now, the words they dotn like being called… or just call them bigots? but that might not hurt them as much…

One can think that gays, or many gays, are more or less aware of the reality of pedophilia, know that minors can consent and know that the prosecution of consensual relationships between adults and minors is an injustice, but choose to join the general lynching and witch hunt so that they will not be linked to pedophilia and thus not lose their rights. But then, what kind of sexual liberation movement is that, which becomes complicit in an extremely cruel and unjust persecution of a sexual minority? Accomplice, therefore, of the suffering and social murder of millions of homosexual adults and minors. They are cowards, hypocrites and evil.

I must also say that I have known some gay men who, without being pedophiles at all, understood pedophilia perfectly well and respected pedophiles. There are also people like that, homosexuals or not, but they do not dare to speak out for fear of oppression and social reaction, which is understandable.

one of the greatest taboos these days is – being straight

Bonnie blue.. wow… She got called the n word,sadly. Yes the socially acceptable n word. I did speak to her actually, she is a bit greedy. Charges a lot for pics. Um,pics we send them. Yup.i like sending pics to barely legal girls.. anyway… On quora again. Get lots of requests for answers. One was ‘is it ok for a man in early 40s to date a 15 yr old’. Popular answer ‘no way jose,thats beyond disgusting’. Guess what ? Another one if those ‘love is love’ rainbow people. They really need exposing for the ageist bigot hypocrites they are…….

Daisy Maskell has published her “MAP exposé” in a London Freesheet!

Comments have been enabled at Metro.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/08/09/discovered-murky-world-minor-attracted-people-even-disturbing-think-23594331/

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I’ve posted this comment. Hope they don’t censor it.

You can hardly find a more hideous crime against children than what Joan Nelson experienced at the hands of her mother, driven by misinformed bigotry and superstition.

“When I was a child I experienced an ongoing incestuous relationship that seemed to me to be caring and beneficial in nature. There were love and healthy self-actualization in what I perceived to be a safe environment. I remember it as perhaps the happiest period of my life. Suddenly one day I discerned from playground talk at school that what I was doing might be ‘bad.’ Fearing that I might, indeed, be a ‘bad’ person, I went to my mother for reassurance. The ensuing traumatic incidents of that day inaugurated a 30-year period of psychological and emotional dysfunction that reduced family communication to mere utilitarian process and established severe limits on my subsequent developmental journey.”
She was eight at the time. (Nelson, “The Impact of Incest: Factors in Self-Evaluation,” in Children and Sex: New Findings, New Perspectives , ed. Floyd Martinson and Larry Constantine, p.163)

The bigotry the MAP community is fighting is based entirely on pseudoscience, as Paul Okami showed in his 1990 paper “Sociopolitical Biases in the Contemporary Scientific Literature on Adult Human Sexual Behavior with Children and Adolescents.” Nelson proposed a rational, evidence based alternative in her paper “Intergenerational Sexual Contact: A Continuum Model of Participants and Experiences.” (Journal of Sex Education and Therapy 15

Good for you Sayaka. Paul Okami is so based.

It might take a day or so to be published, but I’m not seeing under “Newest”. Do let us know if it’s published and we can upvote it to the hilt.

And dear god, that comments section is something else. These people are so apparently riled up that they can’t even bear to see what is in-fact a very negative, muted and uninformative media piece about online “MAP” activists / posters.

Someone even suggests that the article itself must be illegal! (What happened to “freedom of speech”? Or, was that just for you and “your side” when you got censored or banned? “Freedom for me and not for thee”)… I can’t believe I’m seeing the word “unnatural” used unironically. Sooo cringe!

In my view, this is one of the most egregious cases of unjust sentencing since Oscar Wilde was sent down 130 years ago after one of the first celebrity trials.

Indeed. This is violence.

Sending someone to jail unfairly should be regarded at the same level as the alleged crime at concern.

One day, humanity will be stunned to know what we have done with the sexuality of teenagers in our era. Just like for us it is unthinkable today that slavery was common (and lawful!) in the past. To anyone who’s reading this: Do your own examination of conscience, and be very very careful to be on the right side of the History.

There was a post in social media by a mainstream newspaper about age gaps in relationships. It was not targeted at the MAP thing, since it displayed adults in the picture. It was more targetted at the social rules about maximum age gaps in adults. I commented saying something like: Age gap doesn’t matter as long as there is respect and love. I got a reply: “sounds like what a pedo would say“. The comment was automatically moderated, quickly. In my experience, these comments are almost always made by women, which is something to reflect about among the feminist movement.

Anyway, I think most women are not aware about how harmful is sex shaming, and how much harm they are inflicting with it.

So yeah, pedo is the new fag.


Ugh. So, did moderation remove the comment ? Yes,i have noticed that it is women mainly that say these things .. that reminds me.. ive started commenting on daily mail site. Was an article about prince andrew having sexual experience at 11 onwards. I posted ‘so why didnt he kill himself then ? It was removed. Not sure if because of suicide mention or … Because i was saying people dont generally kill themselves when they have experience young…

Yes, the moderation system removed the comment.

I’d say most platforms forbid things that can be interpreted as suicide promotion.

Was an article about prince andrew having sexual experience at 11 onwards.

The book «Entitled: The Rise and Fall of the House of York» quotes an anonymous source as saying:
“He admitted that his second sexual experience occurred before he was 12 years old, and by the time he was 13 he had already slept with more than half a dozen girls.”

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It would be funny to hear from these girls the stories of how he “abused” them

Wow, lucky bastard. Imagine having that much sexual experience by 13 years old. Most guys I went to school with would’ve given almost anything to have even a fraction of that experience.

There’s definitely a gender / sex divide. The guys learn they’re expected to take the initiative, be the active agents, and come to view getting sexual experience as a positive accomplishment, success, and mark of status. The gals are largely the opposite: encouraged to guard their virginity rather than to lose it. They risk being slut shamed rather than virgin or (now) “incel” shamed.

Very insightful post, Tom. One of your best, I would say.

With regards to the promiscuity topic, I have observed micro-aggressive speeches in sexual education, promoting monogamy as a ‘beautiful thing’ and subtly (or not so subtly!) stigmatizing promiscuity. But then you have Bonnie, who turns the sexual debate into a profit-driven circus show, at the antipodes of an intellectual debate. I think she’s doing a disservice to the cause of sexual freedom. The result is that we have feminist women arguing against each other, ones from sex-shaming positions, and the others from circus-performance positions. And me, here I am, trying to dodge the crossfire LoL

… my guess is that the online world has done much to make [choking] fashionable – with guys at least; not so much among girls, I would think.

Well, Aella’s research suggests that you may be underestimating female interest in the rough stuff:

In the sex wars, (which I’m increasingly viewing as the successor to the woke wars), many tendersexual feminists are very upset about how ‘degrading’ porn is. Women are spit on, slapped around, choked! How bad and offensive!

This does look pretty bad if you’re tendersexual! Gay people looked pretty bad and offensive to heterosexual people for a lot of history. But I think they fail to realize that there’s a large minority of women who are bdsmexual – for whom BDSM is just as deep a part of their sexuality as lesbianism is to lesbians.

https://aella.substack.com/p/the-other-sexual-orientation

It’s weird how things changed. I feel like not that long ago, no one would call someone who slept with a 16 year old a pedophile. A lot of that whole Epstein/Prince Andrew thing feels weird, because I’d hear it from older people who otherwise wouldn’t typically say there was much difference between sleeping with a 16 year old versus 18 year old. I think it’s probably right to link it to sensationalism and clickbait; if you hate the elites, or the British royal family it’s an easy thing to latch onto.

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