As an empiricist I long ago took against Freud, who was undoubtedly a profound thinker but one far more interested in the glamorous side of his investigations than in the dour, tough stuff that might have established the soundness or otherwise of his conclusions. Like Freud, the best scientists are capable of dazzlingly adventurous leaps of the imagination and grand theories: physics, after all has a Theory of Everything, which seems pretty ambitious. Unlike Freud, though, science is committed to put interesting ideas to the test. Only in that way will incorrect notions meet with the fate they deserve: rejection.
Since his death, some of Freud’s ideas, such as the “weak or absent father” theory of homosexuality, have been developed into testable hypotheses and found wanting. The great man’s many distinguished detractors have included Nabokov, who famously dismissed the founder of “the talking cure” as “the Viennese quack”. For a sustained, devastating exposure of Freud’s “well-documented conceptual errors, relentless apriorism, disregard for counterexamples, bullying investigative manner, shortcuts of reasoning, rhetorical dodges, and all-around chronic untruthfulness”, in the words of reviewer Francine Prose, we can turn to Unauthorized Freud: Doubters Confront a Legend, edited by Frederick Crews.
Despite such onslaughts, the tenets of psychoanalysis developed by Freud, as elaborated and refined by his disciples, still have their adherents. Dodgy concepts including the tripartite development of infantile sexuality (oral, anal and genital stages) and the Oedipus Complex, which at least had the virtue of acknowledging the vital significance of sexuality from birth onwards, have been quietly sidelined in favour of equally unproven but less controversial ideas: modern analysts tend to talk about developmental traumas in terms of object relations theory, which does not put sex at centre-stage. Just as important as the theory, too, has been the mind-set of those who have been attracted to following in the old charlatan’s wake. I called them disciples, and indeed they have been a church: sexually conservative, orthodox psychoanalysis has been heavily hetero-normative until recent times, just like the major authoritarian, patriarchal, monotheistic religions, seeing homosexuality as a perversion.
And insofar as they have deigned to mention the subject in print, which has been not as much as might be expected, psychoanalysts have excoriated paedophilia in extravagantly florid terms. A relatively recent example of this is On Paedophilia, by Cosimo Schinaia, which I am presently in the middle of. A fascinating picture is emerging, in which the therapists come across as certifiably paranoid, raging against the sadistic persecutions they are made to suffer by their intelligent and devastatingly scornful paedophilic patients! Translated from the original Italian, the book tells us about a working group of psychoanalytically oriented psychiatrists and psychologists in Italy, coordinated by the author, who pool their experiences of working with jailed paedophiles and others referred by the courts. In Italy, perhaps, such work is not left, as it largely is in the Anglophone countries, to the robust, no-nonsense, just-do-as-you’re-told, approach of cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT).
It is easy to satirise these shrinks. They seem to come straight out of a Woody Allen movie, railing against their patients and then – what joy of joys, what schadenfreude! – falling out among themselves in a melodramatic storm in a teacup, a mini-maelstrom of neurotic, self-imposed anguish and anger, torment and trauma!
Yes, it is easy to make fun, and perhaps I will do so again if I review the book properly once I have finished it: there is certainly plenty more to talk about. For the moment, though, I feel it is worth focusing on the surprisingly positive potential of psychoanalysis. For those who can bring themselves to believe in it, as with those who believe in a religion, there are benefits, and they work best for true and sincere believers.
You may be surprised to hear that I have just mentioned one of those benefits: the falling out. Well, not the quarrelling as such, but the fact that Schinaia candidly admitted it had happened. The great thing about this is the honesty: analysts aim to examine their own feelings as well as those of the people they analyse: the dynamics of the psychological relationship between the analyst and the analysand are laid bare. They probe not only “transference” – the theorised redirection of a patient’s feelings for a significant other person, such as their father, to the therapist – but also “countertransference”, which recognises the therapist’s feelings towards a patient, which will never be entirely detached and objective. It is an enquiry which acknowledges that the therapist has unconscious feelings and vulnerabilities, just like the patient; and this acknowledgement binds the two together in their shared humanity. This sure beats the divisive effect of CBT, which separates the therapist as a never-wrong authoritarian from his inferior and always error-prone “client”.
Psychoanalysis can only ever be as good as its individual practitioners, of course. The bullies and fools among them will achieve nothing. This still beats CBT, though, which is positively designed to be administered by bullies and fools. They may not all be stupid but they might as well be. This is because they are required to stick rigidly and mechanically to a manual-based programme and procedures.
The English edition of Schinaia’s book carries a foreword by Donald Campbell, a past president of the British Psychoanalytical Association. Despite his eminence, Campbell’s rabid contribution appears to put him firmly among the bullies and fools. I mention him here, though, because he was an analyst at the Portman Clinic, London, now part of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust. Both clinics, Portman and Tavistock, have a psychoanalytic orientation and have attracted many big names, ranging from John Bowlby, the esteemed pioneer of attachment theory, to Valerie Sinason, the lunatic proponent of Satanic abuse. So, in quality terms it’s the ultimate mixed bag! The Portman has long been into forensic work with paedophiles but the numbers are tiny: CBT dominates the game.
One of the leading Tavistock figures in the latter part of the last century was Charles Rycroft, author of A Critical Dictionary of Psychoanalysis (1968) and Psychoanalysis and Beyond (1985). His most significant role in life, though, (well to me at least!) was to give a less than enthusiastic review of my book Paedophilia the Radical Case, in the Times Literary Supplement. So far so bad, but he was at least a genuine radical, unafraid to challenge conservative colleagues, and even Bolshie in the most literal sense, having been a member of the Communist Party prior to disillusionment over Stalin. He was also a long-time colleague at the Tavistock of R.D. Laing, such a toweringly rebellious character he was known for his school of “anti-psychiatry”, promoting the view that psychiatric treatments are often more damaging than helpful.
It was a MAP, Ben Capel, author of Notes from Another Country, who alerted me a couple of years ago to the fact that radicalism is still an interesting feature of the Freudian tradition, if very much a minority one. Everyone can access it in published works and for the lucky few who encounter an inspired analyst it may even reach them through good therapy.
One such writer/analyst whose name crops up quite a bit in Notes from Another Country is Adam Phillips. A marvellous essay of his appeared recently in the London Review of Books, called “Against self-criticism”. It is an examination of our internal policeman: conscience. Excitingly, he invites us to revolt against its more unreasonable constraints. We know that in society not all laws are good ones, and so it is in our own heads. Conscience is an internalisation of the moral imperatives we grew up with: it is the morality imposed on us by (usually) our parents’ expectations. Allowing ourselves to be utterly bound by it is to make ourselves a slave to the morality of others when we should be thinking for ourselves.
Phillips approaches conscience as Freud did, through Hamlet. In The Interpretation of Dreams, Freud used Hamlet as a way of understanding what Phillips calls “the obscene severities of conscience”. Hamlet was illuminating for Freud because “it showed him how conscience worked, and how psychoanalytic interpretation worked, and how psychoanalysis could itself become part of the voice of conscience”. Note, here, this psychoanalyst’s implied criticism of conservative psychoanalysis.
The fateful character flaw of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, the eponymous hero of Shakespeare’s most famous tragedy, is his indecision. Honour requires him to avenge the death (by suspected poisoning) of his father, the rightful king. The old king’s throne has been usurped by Hamlet’s uncle, Claudius, who has married Hamlet’s mother. But Hamlet hesitates. Conscience holds him back. Freud concludes that Hamlet has an Oedipal desire for his mother and the subsequent guilt prevents him from murdering Claudius, who has done what he unconsciously wanted to do. The loathing which should drive Hamlet on to revenge, Freud wrote, “is replaced in him by self-reproaches, by scruples of conscience, which remind him that he himself is literally no better than the sinner whom he is to punish.” Hamlet, in Freud’s view, turns the murderous aggression he feels towards Claudius against himself. Freud uses Hamlet to say that conscience is a form of character assassination, whereby we continually mutilate and deform our own character. As Phillips puts it, “We know almost nothing about ourselves because we judge ourselves before we have a chance to see ourselves.”
Adams says conscience is:
“…moralistic rather than moral. Like a malign parent it harms in the guise of protecting; it exploits in the guise of providing good guidance. In the name of health and safety it creates a life of terror and self-estrangement. There is a great difference between not doing something out of fear of punishment, and not doing something because one believes it is wrong. Guilt isn’t necessarily a good clue as to what one values; it is only a good clue about what (or whom) one fears. Not doing something because one will feel guilty if one does it is not necessarily a good reason not to do it. Morality born of intimidation is immoral. Psychoanalysis was Freud’s attempt to say something new about the police.”
The implication for MAPs brought up to regard sexuality as a furtive thing, a guilty pleasure to which children should not be exposed, is obvious. We (and this definitely includes me personally) all too commonly find conscience an unreasonable burden, an unwanted legacy from our parents. It’s the white elephant in the backroom of our minds: try to ignore it as we may, it never leaves us. What radical psychoanalysis may be able to do, though, is to challenge its validity by showing us precisely why we do not need to have a bad conscience over our refusal to be bullied by the dictates of conscience, provided we have a principled alternative – as many of us do.
Crews, F. (ed.) Unauthorized Freud: Doubters Confront a Legend Viking, 1998
Phillips, A. “Against Self-Criticism”, London Review of Books, Vol. 37 No. 5, 5 March 2015 pages 13-16 http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n05/adam-phillips/against-self-criticism
Rycroft, C. “Sensuality from the start”, Times Literary Supplement, 21 November 1980
Schinaia, C. On Paedophilia, Karnac, 2010
MOST PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT
Ed Miliband was leader of the British Labour party until it suffered an unexpectedly heavy defeat in the general election last week, whereupon he fell on his sword. One criticism now being levelled at his leadership is that he was too intellectual, a theorist out of touch with the people. He unrealistically tried to convert the voters to his views rather than embrace theirs.
But what if Ed’s views were right and those of the voters were wrong? Everyone agrees he is a clever man, a deeper thinker than most of his opponents, so there is every chance his analysis was far superior to that of the average voter, whose understanding of economics, for instance, is woefully deficient. If they hear the name Keynes they probably think it’s a reference to the sticks teachers used to beat kids with.
Shouldn’t leadership, in a democracy, be about teaching the electorate rather than just pandering to their ignorance? On issues from climate change to child sexuality, it is vital that the public is somehow compelled to listen and learn occasionally. Otherwise we are doomed.
Though I’m prepared to admit that psychoanalysis has given us some valuable ideas, I get quite wound up and irritated by it, due to time spent in France, where, as Christian says, it’s still quite fashionable. The way they treat autistic children in France is an absolute scandal, and they’re none too nice to the parents either — they’re still on Refrigerator Mother. Mind you, there are encouraging signs that the tide may be turning. I don’t know quite why psychoanalysis is so popular in France still. Christian must have a better idea than I do. I suspect it has something to do with a now-long-entrenched reaction against the social Darwinism of Vichy and something to do with the French education system, which, for all its excellent qualities, is not really set up to encourage independent analysis or what is called “critical thinking”.
I’ve been meaning for some time to read Morris Fraser’s The Death of Narcissus. According to the ever-inadvertently-helpful Ian Pace, Dr Fraser was a PIE member and a child psychiatrist involved with care homes. He counselled traumatised children, which led to his writing a book called Children in Conflict: Growing up in Northern Ireland. He wrote for Paidika magazine and contributed a chapter, ‘The Child’, to the book Perspectives on Paedophilia. He also set up a charity which sent disadvantaged boys on sailing holidays and published its own magazine containing, among other things, photos of naked boys. He eventually went to prison for taking indecent photos of boys aged 11-14. In 1994, Michael Johnson, who’d taught the boys to sail, went to prison for four years on six specimen counts of indecent assault — apparently there had actually been fifty incidents in the period 1989-1991 — against two boys aged 9 and 11. (Correct me if I am wrong on any of this. I have it all from Pace.)
The Death of Narcissus puts forward a psychoanalytic view — not surprising, given that it was published in 1976 — of adult attraction to children. I’m told that the argument goes like this: a boy is born with a naturally sensitive, artistic temperament. At a crucial phase in his development, neither of his parents is available as a love object, so he is left with no option but to fall in love with himself. As he grows up, he continues to fall in love with children at the age he was when his parents became emotionally unavailable to him. Apparently this applies to girl-lovers, such as Lewis Carroll, as well as to boy-lovers; quite how, I’m not sure, but I guess I have to read the book. It seems to me — again, I haven’t yet read the book; perhaps he answers this objection — that the obvious flaw in Fraser’s theory is that adult sexual interest in children tends to cluster around certain ages. In those days there was less information available about this than there is now, but there was some. According to an article scanned in by Pace, “A 1963 Canadian study found that heterosexual paedophiles preferred girls 6-11, while their homosexual counterparts were most attracted to 12-15 year old boys. Mulcock’s 1954 report pinpointed 10-12 in both sexes as being the peak ages for sexual assault…” How can it be that MAPs’ parents tended to become emotionally unavailable to them when they were all around the same age — except that future girl-lovers, it seems, may have been rather younger than future boy-lovers at the time? It’s a heck of a coincidence. But I can see that this theory would have appealed to MAP readers back then, since, for one thing, many of them would have been packed off to boarding school at an early age.
>I’ve been meaning for some time to read Morris Fraser’s The Death of Narcissus. According to the ever-inadvertently-helpful Ian Pace, Dr Fraser was a PIE member and a child psychiatrist involved with care homes.
Morris was never a PIE member but I met him a number of times back in the day. I read The Death of Narcissus and discussed it with him quite a lot. We got on well, but that did not extend to me agreeing with his theory, which I thought was inspired by generalising too much from his own personal experience. I made it clear that my own family background did not match what he was saying at all. Fortunately for me, I never felt either of my parents were “emotionally unavailable”.
Although his approach is psychoanalytic, as you say, it is as much Jungian as Freudian, drawing extensively on the former’s archetypes. I’d have to read it again to be more precise though.
As for the sailing, I was never involved in that and cannot comment on the accuracy or otherwise of what you have read.
Pace is wrong then. Not too surprising, as he seems keen to declare that just about everybody was a PIE member back in the day.
But what if Ed’s views were right and those of the voters were wrong? my main reasons for supporting speech freedom, echoes J S Mill: people in general know far less than they think they do; but even the most dim-witted seeming idiot may know something worth learning. IE: the more free people feel to say WTF they want, the better informed we’ll be as a society. Everyone has a unique POV; they should all have a chance to express it (if they want to). A strong society that’s built to last, requires openness to new ideas, co-oporation as well as competition, and a leadership that’s held to account and governs with the people’s consent and in their interests.
“Unlike Freud, though, science is committed to put interesting ideas to the test. Only in that way will incorrect notions meet with the fate they deserve: rejection.”
Luckily for the empiricists, it seems like, once psychoanalysts actually tried testing their methods, they started finding positive results. Of course, this doesn’t mean the underlying theories and assumptions are true – just that the ‘talking cure’ seems to be more effective than placebo. The real problem here is that almost all interpersonal therapies are equally effective. (The name of this effect should be amusing to those here who are fans of Alice in Wonderland). As such, it’s hard to figure out what anyone might be doing right or wrong!
“This is because they are required to stick rigidly and mechanically to a manual-based programme and procedures.”
As I mentioned in another comment some time back; this may still be the best course of action. When the rules are well designed, variance from them (even with the best intentions) tends to be adverse rather than beneficial more often than not. Of course, it’s quite possible that CBT’s rules are so bad that varying from them improves the situation. I don’t know. I’m aware that there have been studies on the effects of CBT – are there any that examine the difference in results when therapists were told explicitly that they could and couldn’t vary from the programme when they felt like it?
‘Hamlet was illuminating for Freud because “it showed him how conscience worked, and how psychoanalytic interpretation worked, and how psychoanalysis could itself become part of the voice of conscience”.’
I hope what he did was use Hamlet as a useful example for illustrating his ideas to an audience familiar with Shakespeare and not, y’know, building theories based on what he saw in a play. The fallacy of using fictional evidence is surprisingly common; though a fallacy nonetheless.
“Shouldn’t leadership, in a democracy, be about teaching the electorate rather than just pandering to their ignorance?”
Leadership should be about doing what’s most beneficial for society. While the populace should certainly be educated (to the extent that this is possible), I’m not sure if the leader should be the one with that job. Maybe it should be delegated to someone who can focus on that, rather than on politics.
>The real problem here is that almost all interpersonal therapies are equally effective.
Great link you give here, Jasmine. Looked at in detail, though, “the dodo bird verdict” seems to be of somewhat limited applicability. The “talking cure” is better than placebo but what about this:
“Those supporting the Dodo bird verdict often use meta-analyses to compare multiple evidence supported treatments (ESTs) in order to illustrate that these treatments have no really significant differences. Because these treatments are already proven to work, comparing them to each other does show little variation. However psychology is made up of more therapies than just ESTs. When comparing a therapy like CBT to a treatment that does not meet EST criteria, the difference in effect size is obvious.”
So, yes, CBT is an EST, but the evidence varies greatly in strength depending on the circumstances. For instance, studies at the same link indicate substantial variance in outcome depending on whether the therapist is “positive, warm, caring, and genuine”. The people who are decidedly not positive etc., (those I called bullies and fools) are all too evident in CBT sex offender therapy in penal settings.
As for your other points, I may post again. You have raised rather more interesting points than I can handle in one go!
The followers appoint the leader and he is at mercy to them. A leader usually doesn’t say anything contrary to what his followers already believe. Leaders do not teach their followers, rather they are the ones in charge of spreading their message.
Hi Tom, thanks for this interesting post (and the hint to read Stretching the shrinks’ sexual sympathies, an excellent post that I’d missed).
I also tried the Schinaia book On Paedophilia. Finding it unrelenting in its contempt for it’s subject population, I quickly threw it aside. However, given the entertainment you garnered, perhaps I’ll revisit it.
On psychoanalysis, I’m a trained biologist, specializing in neural information processing. Consequently I commonly interpret human behaviour and culture through the same empirical lens I hold to any other organism.
And yet I’ve had an enduring fascination with psychoanalysis. This is due in part to it’s deployment in critical theory, where it is encouraged to reveal common structures in the culturally mediated interpretations we produce from our own private emotional lives.
In this light, while Freud may not have been a great scientist, he was a master of introspection. Perhaps it is the contents of his own subconscious that constitute much of the data that underlie psychoanalysis: the personal mythology of a Viennese quack on crack.
Also, the first person I ever revealed my paedophilia to was a Jungian analyst, who responded with insight, empathy, knowledge and generosity. Jung is even less respectable than Freud, but I found the Jungian approach to uncovering my personal mythology very productive. Your comments on the “internal policeman” are particularly relevant here.
Perhaps the most liberating and empowering thing I’ve done in my life has been making sense of my attraction to children. An important element of this has been to understand paedophilia as an aspect of human biology. However, it’s been just as important for me to make sense of my feelings in a poetic sense, in terms of a world of myths and symbolic imagery.
This is where the strength of psychoanalysis lies, and maybe it provides psychology with a valuable foil to its increasingly biologistic orthodoxy.
Bloom you are not alone in this, there are others in the group who come here of whom I an say this, there are links I can make between what you write and what I would want to say. I also find psychoanalysis a challenging set of texts to explore.
Out of respect for Tom I can see how, from time to time, my way of thinking and writing can be different from his own. Tom has here described himself as a empiricist and this category of thinker has a long history inside the Anglophile philosophical world. My ‘home’ regarding those I read tends to be European, often influenced by French minds, and reflects the back ground I had as both a Catholic priest and later a Family Therapist.
What I appreciate in Tom’s latest post is the reference to how in psychotherapy the client and the therapist share the same challenge – the examination of what they bring to the process, an inclusion and acknowledgement of one’s subjectivity. I value this self-awareness greatly.
I would use the same words Tom uses when looking at the behaviourist therapies and how they have found a home in the world of ‘therapy’ for the adult accused of sex with a minor. I find their methods ones that bully and punish. For this reason I have a low opinion of what they offer.
In my thinking and in my writing I want to promote the process where the minor attracted person is able to be engaged responsibly in the crafting of his or her own life and path forward.
Very nice comment. We have two kinds of knowlege. Information that we access from the outside of things, thought sense impression. And information that we access from within, through self-reflection. Both are needed.
Freud also wrote about the ‘latency’ stage of child sexual development – when interest in sex seems to largely become invisible. It seems (if I read Freud correctly) that he got it pretty much right here – that this represents a period when the child has properly internalised sexual shame and represses or hides these feelings. I’ve noticed that children are quite free and open in the expression of their sexuality up till the ages of 5 or 6 but a curtain seems to go down at the ages of 7 or 8. But whereas Freud would say that this was something innate, I believe that it is part of the process of adopting social values.
It strikes me that psychoanalysis and post-modern criticism share certain characteristics – in a sense the latter does for culture what the former did for the mind: they use facts and observations as starting points for generating something which aims to float entirely free of the observable world.
I recently started reading James Kincaids’ ‘Child Loving’ but felt discouraged after having gotten just a few pages in. Sentences like:
“But can this cultural redundancy really be the sound of nature being discovered..?”,
“Other deconstructive centers would open up other possibilities…”
and “… a reliance on metaphors of power that makes me believe that deconstructing child-love had better open up more than the techniques by which we maintain desire,”
left me feeling that this was a book to lay aside and return to when I’d either grown a few (gray cells) or grown a pair.
When reading post-modern criticism of art and culture I get the impression that the writer is less interested in illuminating the ostensible subject than in drawing attention to his own brilliance, and a bedrock of Irony and Relativism means that the end result is all hedging and no judgement. I sometimes feel that psychoanalysis is like this too – a creative tool.
I’d be interested to know if Kincaids’ “Child Loving” is worth pressing on with. I enjoyed his “Erotic Innocence” – though even with this one I came out at the other end with a feeling that nothing had been said, but that that ‘nothing’ had been said in a very entertaining, clever and interesting manner.
MOST PEOPLE ARE IGNORANT
This reminds me of an old, long-defunct friend, mentor and teacher of mine who, in arguments, would startle anyone using an ‘argumentum ad populum’ (that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it) with a blunt “Most people are Wrong”.
One of Capitalism’s great successes since the 80s has been to deprive us of the capacity to imagine or dream that a better society is possible – Fukuyama’s ‘end of History’ (Fukuyama didn’t predict religious fascism and climate change). What are we left with when we no longer can imagine or dream?
To quote Wayne Lewis, a survivor of the ecological disaster of the 30’s ‘Dust Bowl’:
“We always had hope that next year was gonna be better. And even this year was gonna be better. We learned slowly, and what didn’t work, you tried it harder the next time. You didn’t try somethig different. You just tried harder, the same thing that didn’t work. “ (“The Dust Bowl”, Ken Burns)
Like a man trying to exit a room by walking through the wall we’re left trying ever harder and more painfully to make the same mistakes work.
Yes, you make a good point about latency.
>I’d be interested to know if Kincaids’ “Child Loving” is worth pressing on with.
It’s been a long time, but I recall the first 60 or so pages being tough going; the rest was fine. I found his thesis (insofar as I was understanding it correctly, although one cannot really have a “correct” response to such nebulous writing) very interesting but not all that convincing. Anyway, he struck me as a nice guy: he and I corresponded for a while. His letters were easier to understand: perhaps he was adjusting his writing style to my level!
>Like a man trying to exit a room by walking through the wall we’re left trying ever harder and more painfully to make the same mistakes work.
I am often chastised by the VPs, Nick and Ethan, for repeating the same mistakes for 50 years!
I would argue, Tom, that the biggest mistake one can make in the context of history is to assume that the latest moral panic is somehow more unique and legitimate than each of the previous such panics turned out to be. What you have done for the past few decades is essentially the same thing that previous groups of minorities have done to end their own oppression, all of whom eventually met with success: oppose the oppressive rhetoric and attitudes in a civilized, intelligent manner utilizing the power of words and scientific scrutiny. But history has also shown us that this strategy invariably takes time, is commonly subject to various backlashes and set backs along the way, and occurs in a series of steps. You spent time in jail for your views much as a certain hero of mine by the name of Martin Luther King Jr. once did in a previous era.
I think a cogent analysis of the history of moral panics make it quite clear that it is these detractors you mentioned who are doing precisely what they have accused you of doing. Such an accusation is easy to make when happen to be living in the stretch of time where the latest moral panic is enjoying its heyday (or thereabouts); much less so when progress reaches the point via due diligence, patience, and perseverance that it can no longer be denied by the naysayers.
When that happens, the naysayers tend to do one of three things, all of which accomplish nothing once the moral panic in question has passed:
1) Falsely claim that they were never really in league with the oppressive attitudes in the first place, but that they had “no choice” but to pretend they did due to a certain combination of political and social pressures (this, btw, is the same excuse that many American Leftists use to defend the likes of Clinton and Obama when they initiate the same policies they criticized Bush & Cheney for initiating);
2) Stubbornly cling to their oppressive attitudes and biases, desperately hoping that this helps them save face in some manner, and thereby more or less becoming the same type of social pariah that the minority group in question once was;
3) Simply go silent and vanish into the ether, hoping that history will forget about them.
Rarely, if ever, do they take a 4th option: Admit they were wrong, apologize to all concerned, and do their best to make up for it with positive social activism.
I think its all about establishing a new orthodoxy: Like the old days of witch burning — You had the harshest penalty if you denied what your being accused of — entrenched? Because many taboos have been challenged and overcome; Child sexuality is the last taboo; They can’t use the word ‘evil’ so much these days, So they enforce a new orthodoxy, And use words like ‘grooming’ and ‘inappropriate’ to embed into the minds of the populace.
I am often chastised by the VPs, Nick and Ethan, for repeating the same mistakes for 50 years!
Even if Galileo’s ” Eppur si muove” (yet it moves) is apocryphal it shows how the mind must not bend to the tyranny of ignorance or meekly accept the silencing of truth.
To persist in speaking the truth in the face of persecution, stigmatisation, ignorance and dishonesty, is an absolute good.
Well, I’m sure the other lot have got it wrong, and there are those of us who thus have no trouble in being constantly motivated to say so. On the other hand, I for one wish I could be as self-confident as Galileo that I have got it right! The movement of the earth around the sun is somewhat more mechanically predictable than the passions of people, so it is harder to chart our best course!
I enjoyed Kincaid’s Erotic Innocence, I read it twice, and I think that what it says about our culture is much more than “nothing”. Of courses, he does not search for the roots of the phenomenon. I read completely Child Loving (but only once), it is worth the patience, there are sometimes valuable observations (such as on the first page, about how people all seem to “know” about this subject, for which not much real knowledge exists). Related to Kincaid’s observations is Mohr’s short essay on the pedophilia of everyday life…
While we’re on the subject of books, has anyone read “Children and Sexuality – from the Greeks to the Great War” Ed. George Rousseau? I’ve just got my hands on a copy and it looks fascinating.
http://www.palgrave.com/page/detail/children-and-sexuality-george-rousseau/?K=9780230525269
Thanks for reminding me about this one. I see I’ve had a note about it in my files for some time and must have intended to get it. Anyway, I have now ordered a copy.
The table of contents of George Rousseau’s book is found on his academia.edu page: https://www.academia.edu/429820/Children_and_Sexuality_The_Greeks_to_the_Great_War
In it there is 4 times “sexual abuse” and once “incest”. Also the abstract (in Lensman’s link) mentions Lloyd deMause. From what I read of that guy quoted by Kincaid, he was a crank who told that incest was practiced in almost all families in Asia, that there is an “incest lobby”, etc. He animated a “Journal of Psychohistory” (formerly “Journal of Childhood History”), which is not referenced in my Univ. journal database, so it must not be recognized. In it he published his weird theories. I also once saw a page in Wikipedia, citing this journal for the “fact” that in the Renaissance, Romans could with impunity throw their babies in the Tiber in full daylight.
I am afraid that this book will disappoint you.
Yes, there are certain things that suggest it’s not going to be a non-stop pro-paedophilic love-fest.
The commentary to a reproduction of the following – http://www.williamapercy.com/wiki/images/Oxford_Pederasty.jpg – goes “An Attic red-figure cup, fifth century BC, showing a paedophile and his victim…”. Ouch!
Still, there are many contributors so hopefully they won’t all be so anachronistic and anachoristic in their attitudes – a glance at a few chapters suggests there may be more nuanced responses – and that the use of ‘child abuse’ may have been an editorial decision
… and sometimes you’ve just got to cut through the shit to get to the custard, you’ve got to just tune out the entrenched prejudice to get to the knowledge and information beyond it (as with Clancy’s “The Trauma Myth).
Despite this I’m still quite excited by this book as it really does seem to touch on a fascinating variety of subjects and contexts.
> “An Attic red-figure cup, fifth century BC, showing a paedophile and his victim…”
This caption became notorious and has since been changed. It was a deliberate provocation by Michael Vickers, Curator of Greek and Roman Antiquities at the Ashmolean Museum, Oxford, where the cup is exhibited.
An Oxford guy, Ross Brooks, wrote in 2010 to an online history forum thus:
“List members will be interested to learn that the Ashmolean has now agreed to change the label of the cup in question. It will read: “Man and boy making love. The nature of Greek homosexual love is the subject of current academic debate .” It is, I think, infinitely better than ‘paedophile and victim’ but some may feel that the use of the word ‘homosexual’ in the second sentence still grates a bit. It is, though, as good as it is going to get in current circumstances. My thanks are due to all those list members who commented on this issue; those comments helped form a very solid case for changing the label which the Museum simply could not ignore.”
So, a rare victory!
A lot of Oxford professional rivalry and bitching lies behind this saga. Bill Percy has a page about it:
http://www.williamapercy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Vickers%27_Scandalous_Caption_and_the_Library_of_Congress
The contents show each paper followed by a response. Maybe this reflects contrasting and possibly dissenting views..
The only pedo-related book I’ve read (well most of now) Is Tom’s own Dangerous Liaisons, and its very entertaining; I will sent to friend when finished. You have mentioned Trauma Myth several times now, So I think that’s next. Sex and Censorship sounds good, Also Perv. Also got Alexander’s choice to get through. I will send DL to my friend, while keeping in mind, Michael Jackson memorabilia may well sky rocket!
>…will send DL to my friend, while keeping in mind, Michael Jackson memorabilia may well sky rocket
Well, makes sense for your friend to buy a copy then! 🙂
We should not feel guilty about anything we have done except the use of physical force. The world needs what we pedos have to offer it and all its living creatures.
Hi Linca…”we pedos” Not forgetting most men come into the ‘minor attracted’ bracket.
About 25 years ago, a book made me break from Freudism: The Dreaming Brain by J. Allan Hobson (1988). The author, a neuropsychologist, tells the story of his discipline, in particular in relation to dreaming, and shows that its scientific results contradict Freud’s theory of dreams. He also explains how Freud did his best to hide the works of dream scholars who preceded him, and that he succeeded in supressing the buds of a scientific approach to dreaming. In this respect, he was a real obscurantist. The author also shows that Freud’s model of psyche and libido is based on a psychic analog of a wrong model of the electrical working of the brain (Freud started his career as a neurologist).
In France, where psychoanalysis is still fashionable, several scholars have written against it, the most famous attack is Le Livre Noir de la Psychanalyse.
Freud’s theory is fully patriarcal and sexist, it is also at the basis of all attempts to pathologize sexual variance (and to “cure” it). It is based only on “impulses” and ignores social relations.
Freud is a fetishist in the Marxist sense: he attributes to an object, the phallus, magical properties that belong in fact to the realm of social relations, in particular those between men and women.
Great observations!
I have no objections about anything you attributed to Freud here, Christian, and this was in fact a good analysis. But being a Marxist myself, I am admittedly puzzled as to what you meant by Freud being a fetishist “in the Marxist sense,” based on attributing “magical properties to the phallus” that “belong in fact to the realm of social relations, in particular those between men and women” (the example/analogy you used). I’m not aware of Marxists doing any such thing that would relate to your analogy, but I may have misinterpreted what you tried to say in the context you intended.
(Reply to Dissident) Take for example the “penis need”: Freud thought that a little girl, seeing her naked brother’s penis, would be envious of it. In those prudish times, probably little girls of the bourgeoisie could not see naked boys, but they certainly saw male privileges granted to boys from an early age, and this made them envious and dissatisfied. Also in the development of children, Freud made a lot about the boy fearing castration by the father and the girl having to accept being castrated from birth. In realiy, it has nothing to do with castration, but with patriarchal power: the son has to submit to the father before becoming a father himself, while the daughter will remain a woman throughout her life, submitted to the power of the father. So the “phallus” just hides social relations of gender inequality and parental power on children.
This is “fetishism in the Marxist sense”: exactly like Marx’s notion of “commodity fetishism” explained at the beginning of The Capital. Isaac Roubine has also written on this topic, but I know only a French version of his essay.
On how Freud substitutes good and bad impulses to interpersonal relations, I am also inspired by the book The Origins of Love and Hate by Ian Dishart Suttie (1935). This author is considered as a forerunner of the object-relation approach in psychoanalysis.
Interesting.
For anyone still in doubt about what Marx meant by “commodity fetishism” I would recommend the usual quick and easy introduction, the inevitable Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodity_fetishism
I would just note a couple of points from this well presented article (with helpful sub-heads etc.), which brings in a number of related concepts in a succinct way.
1) Marx borrowed the concept of “fetishism” from The Cult of Fetish Gods (1760) by Charles de Brosses, which proposed a materialist theory of the origin of religion. [This relates to the great depth and power of materialist analysis, as proposed here by Lensman.]
2) Reification:
In History and Class Consciousness (1923), György Lukács started from the theory of commodity fetishism for his development of reification (the psychological transformation of an abstraction into a concrete object) as the principal obstacle to class consciousness. [The concept of reification is these days to be found all over the place. I, for one, was unaware of this starting point.]
Many thinks for this clarification, Christian! I second what Tom said: Interesting!
A very interesting (and reasonable) take on Freud’s theories, Christian – both your comments.