Cloud looms – but with a silver lining?

Today’s guest blog is by “Dissident”, a familiar name here as a contributor to the Comments space. A longtime friend of Heretic TOC, “Dissy” has also been several times a guest blogger. He is a freelance editor and professional writer of fiction with a substantial body of published work to his name in several genres, including sci-fi. He is a veteran hebephile activist who has been prominent in GL circles for some 25 years. He has contributed essays on MAP-relevant topics to Newgon wiki and was a longtime poster to GirlChat, where he served a lengthy stint as a moderator. He has also participated periodically at Visions of Alice, Lifeline and, as noted above, here at Heretic TOC, including this guest blog from 2015: At last, the paedophile as hero!

 

No hiding place for MAPs in AI future

I recently had an interesting—and disquieting—experience on Instagram thanks to its new-ish AI system designed to detect alleged instances of “child exploitation” across its multitude of channels. This is something that should concern all MAPs, as well as everyone who uses social forums like Instagram and TikTok to advance certain business models. In fact, it may constitute an eventual game-changer for MAPs in society, but not without a lot of chaos and challenges for us prior to that.

THE PERILS OF ADMIRING YOUTHFUL BEAUTY

As all who have known me in the MAP community (and real life) are aware, I have always been a fully law-abiding MAP. I try hard to be a good and generous person to everyone I know, but fall short at times due to the natural human imperfections we all possess. My apologies to all who have had to deal with my more difficult side.

I have chosen to be open to varying degrees about my attractions (which are largely hebephilic) to others, but I do not trumpet the info, especially not with those I have been acquainted with for too short a time to get to know and trust me as a person. I generally steer clear of all interactions with underaged youths (I am attracted to girls only), particularly in one-on-one situations, to avoid finger-pointing or unwarranted accusations or assumptions. I am well aware of how deeply the hatred and fear of MAPs remains in our society, and I never underestimate that fact and the potential dangers it places me in.

So, like most law-abiding MAPs, I am forced to admire girls from afar only, and in entirely legal fashion. That means eschewing even the consideration of seeking illegal CP and instead consigning myself to entirely audio-visual admiration of girls that appear in a plethora of modelling and dance videos, and sometimes personal channels, on commonly viewed social media forums. Parents and professional companies moderate and control these channels in almost all cases, and there is a lucrative market for girls modelling dance and other outfits for companies in pictorial sets or vids commonly referred to by the girls as “try-on hauls”. But some girls commonly upload such vids to YouTube themselves.

As an admirer of girls’ beauty and personalities alike, I have looked at such legal pics and vids that you often come across on these channels even when you are not searching for them specifically. Like all viewers, I have at times “liked” some of them and added some to a “favourites” folder included on your account. I never send DMs or leave comments, salacious or otherwise (the majority of the former often being left by trolls rather than actual MAPs). I make sure to choose a screen name and avatar that is nondescript and does not make my age or appearance clear so that I do not in any way disturb the moderation team or girls promoted within, and so as to remain a respectful, non-troublesome “face in the crowd”.

One would think that means I am not an issue. But the AI system installed to replace the human “paedo hunters” on Instagram has apparently decided otherwise. My account was recently suspended for simply looking at various common and entirely legal modelling, dance, and personal channels there featuring girls, and doing nothing more than “liking” some of the pics and vids or adding them to my “favourites”.

Yes, you read that right. The automatic notice I received explained that “our technology has determined that you violated our community standards against child exploitation”. Huh? And another automated notice said, “Our technology has determined that you may have come across and seen child pornography,” and left me a confidential number to call some counsellor to talk about it. Huh?! WTF?!

How broadly, exactly, are they defining “child pornography” and “child exploitation” these days? Are they implying this is based not on the images themselves but what I may have been thinking while viewing entirely legal and very common pics and vids you find all over these social forums?

Since the great majority of MAPs are law-abiding and confine the expression of their attractions to private admiration of the beauty and attractiveness of youth from afar, this was all I had and all I ever actually did. And… there is now technology designed to detect and thwart that? The hatred has gone so far that surveillance and “prevention” has increased to this extent?

WHAT IT ALL MEANS – SO BE PREPARED

Here is something my recent experience with the AI-driven “paedo hunting” of Instagram has made clear for the future of MAPs. I think an interesting crossroads is coming up for the MAP community.

With the current moral panic against the ever-broadening conception of “child exploitation” and adults who find under-agers attractive still at an all-time high, combined with the rapid advancement of AI “detection” algorithms, we’re soon going to reach a point where it becomes virtually impossible for any MAP to hide our attraction status from public detection. And also to steer clear of technology-driven censure simply for the crime of looking and having forbidden thoughts regarding legal and commonly available imagery. Unless one stays completely off the grid, so to speak.

If you look at certain perfectly legal and commonly uploaded pics and vids on any social media forum – Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter/X, you name it – the system’s AI algorithms will sniff you out and collect data on you based on your viewing habits, your “likes” and “favourites” of certain pics or vids, your level of re-watch, etc.

The system will know, and then the human administration will know. And in short order, the government will know, since they’re now fully in bed with tech corporations. You’ll be further tracked from there, and you’ll be integrated into an official database where most MAPs across the world (or, at least living in the WEIRD part of the world) will be listed.

TikTok’s AI will sniff you out and collect data on you based on your viewing habits. Same with other social media forums.

And since all data is now being collected on all citizens by big tech companies like Palantir, you’ll be cross-referenced between all these forums and every other place online that you frequent. Soon your entire social circle, your job, your main places of product purchase, etc., will be easily available to government agencies, NGOs, merchants whom you do business with, and employers. You will also possibly be reported to law enforcement agents for monitoring and “pre-crime” deterrence procedures. You can easily be blackmailed due to the extreme dangers of being “outed” as someone attracted to underaged youths in the current climate, including public shaming. And ample “character evidence” will be available for everyone to toss at you, from political opponents to employment agencies to law enforcement looking for targets.

It will now become almost impossible to “hide in plain sight” any longer, because our digital shadow will enable the corporate and government tech alliance to find us all out.

So, the days of no one save for perhaps a few trusted people with whom you share this ultra-sensitive info about yourself will be over. This will constitute a revolution of sorts for both our community and for society as a whole to reckon with.

WHAT MAY BE THE END RESULT?

Let’s look on the plus side to the coming full disclosure of MAPs in WEIRD society via advances in AI technology.  Yes, there may actually be one.

At first, this mass technological detection will be promoted as a way of identifying “child predators” – or those who are “potentially” so – and lauded as a safety screen for underaged youths (who are still without anything resembling a voice in society). The public will, of course, eat it up… at least initially. “Now we’re gonna know who all the predators are!” some politician or MAP-hating vigilante will proclaim.

But here is what they are not considering: This revelation will also make clear how many MAPs in society there actually are, how many of them hold important positions, and how many are known as good people.

And how many of them have no criminal records and are law-abiding despite looking at pics and having thoughts that society is conditioned to find “creepy” and potentially “dangerous”.

It will also bring to attention the fact that those seeking to promote the personal brands of (largely) girl models, dancers, and influencers – including many of the parents and companies who help promote them – are quite aware of how attractive youths, particularly young girls, happen to be and how much this helps sell fashion and self-care products, not to mention one’s personal brand.

They promote this in an “open but hidden” fashion, which garners them a lot of much-needed views. This in turn is something which the algorithms pick up on and add for further promotion to more eyes of interest. However, they will now soon be seeing a large segment of their viewing audience paying a huge price for helping this business model along with their mass number of views and “likes”.

Will there be a public outcry to eliminate such channels entirely, or place them fully under the regulation of some law-enforcing government agency? What will that do for the business model, or the type of control that parents usually want above and beyond the government? Will parents and companies who promote these channels for profit via popular clothing and self-care lines be vilified for using imagery that effectively sells and promotes?

The Trump administration silently employs Palantir to gather personal data of each American, raising privacy and data misuse concerns – report in New York Times.

It will also make clear to the general public how many people they love, trust, and respect are MAPs that are attracted to underaged youths. People who have saved the lives of many, who have always been there for them through thick and thin, who have earned their trust in many ways; and most importantly, whom they know for a fact are not sociopathic monsters that have ever harmed a kid or lack the self-control to remain law-abiding.

How much can you continue hating MAPs and seeing their natural (and unasked for) attractions as constituting an evil character flaw or depraved sickness when they are your beloved and respected parent, or sibling, or lover, or best friend; or doctor or firefighter who saved the life of you or a loved one?

Or that good-natured neighbour you’ve known and respected your entire life? Or that teacher who provided you with words of wisdom that got you through life’s travails without ever having tried to use or exploit you in any way?

What happens then? Will this algorithm-driven revelation technology backfire in the end? Will it inadvertently serve to compel MAPs forced into public view and scrutiny to develop a loud voice for themselves? How will youths who happen to be mesophiles (attracted to the middle-aged)* react to this?

And will those outside the MAP community who love, respect, and trust us be forced to drop their silence or their own (often performance-driven) indulgence in MAP-bashing?

What will the now devastated youth liberation movement do in reaction to this, especially since the fear of MAPs caused the moderates among their ranks to all but torpedo the movement?

Let us see how this all plays out once almost everyone who happens to be a MAP becomes as well known in the near future as vanilla LGBTQs are today.

Scary – but doubtless interesting – times lay ahead.

 

* In the study of micro-organisms such as bacteria , a mesophile is an organism that grows best in moderate temperatures. This term is not new. As applied to humans, though, mesophilia is a very recent addition to the lexicon, having first appeared in “The Puzzle of Male Chronophilias“, a paper by psychologist Michael C. Seto published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior in 2016. Seto uses the term to describe people of any age, including youth, whose sexual attraction is focused on middle-aged persons. The word is derived from the Greek root mesos, meaning intermediate. Seto says in the paper that the existence and relative prevalence of mesophilia are hinted at by the popularity of the MILF (for “Moms I’d Like to Fuck”) genre in pornography, and by the existence also of DILF porn. Many would be horrified by the idea that some minors are especially attracted to middle-aged people, which probably accounts for the paucity of research into mesophilia: it may be seen as just too hot to handle. The term is new but there is no reason to believe the phenomenon is: some youngsters have probably always been turned on by older people.

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BACK TO YOUR REGULAR HOST…

THEY ALL LOVE ‘GROOMING GANGS’

So “grooming gangs” are back in the headlines. We may loathe the sexual negativity baked into the construct, to say nothing of the racism typically entailed; but as a cliché much beloved by the hacks, the pols, and the rioting classes, it ain’t going away anytime soon.

Not even with the world exploding into lethal nightly firework displays over cities from Kiev to Tehran (obscuring the dozens of Palestinians still being killed almost daily in Gaza) was the topic forgotten onboard British prime minister Keir Starmer’s flight to the G7 summit in Alberta, Canada, when he was asked by the media whether he would be reversing his decision earlier this year not to order a new national inquiry.

Well, of course he would. Ever willing to be led by populist sentiment, rather than to show real leadership, he obligingly gave them the U-turn they wanted. There would be an inquiry after all, he said, which he anticipated would be recommended in a report (now published) by Baroness Louise Casey.

A down-page item such as this is not the place to set out Heretic TOC’s view in any detail. What I will point to, though, is a blog from way back in 2013 which went quite deeply into the matter in ways which are still relevant and factually applicable today. See Street grooming: a nut to be cracked? See also the evidence I gave in 2018 to IICSA’s major inquiry , paragraphs 64-71, under the subheading “Localised grooming”.

For now, I will just emphasise that violently imposed or coerced sex are obviously criminal no matter what the age of the victim, whatever the race or religion of the perpetrator, and whether the context is individual or gang related, whether it is street crime or within the family, or whether churches, schools, sports clubs, etc. are involved or not. Whatever. It is right that all such cases are subject to prosecution.

What should not be tolerated (but there are strong suspicions it has been) are scenarios in which a particular race or religion is  given a free pass to offend by police, local councils, social workers and others, for fear that firm action would risk stirring up “community tensions”. All that turning a blind eye to such offences achieves is to stoke up justified resentment and potentially riotous unrest in those identifying with other communities, while leaving victims without justice.

I will just add that I see from a news item “hot off the press”, as I write, that one of Casey’s main recommendations looks particularly significant, and not in a good way. This concerns younger teenagers aged 13-15.

According to Casey, too many cases relating to this age range are being dropped or downgraded from rape to lesser charges. This has occurred, she says, where a 13 to 15-year-old had been perceived to be “in love with” or “had consented to” sex with the perpetrator. Even in these cases, she says, adults who intentionally have penetrative sex with a child under 16 should receive mandatory rape charges.

But why? Presumably, the evidence in such cases would be that they had not been raped. This is an excessively authoritarian move that does teenagers no service at all, being one of numerous ways in which they are being increasingly infantilised, denied all opportunity for autonomy and experiences they can truly call their own.

As the sophisticated inquiry room signage hints, the IICSA was a big deal, costing the taxpayer £186 millions. Its deliberations went on for years. Numerous recommendations were made but then ignored by government. In one of his more sage pronouncements, former prime minister Boris Johnson said that it had been “money spaffed up the wall”. At the request of the official solicitor to the inquiry, I gave factual evidence about PIE’s finances, refuting a conspiracy theory that we had been secretly funded by MI5. My further evidence about “grooming” was “redacted” as supposedly irrelevant.

 

WILL THE MADNESS REGISTER WITH THEIR LORDSHIPS?

Meanwhile, in a quieter but potentially far more oppressive development for MAPs, the Crime and Policing Bill has been grinding  its way through the parliamentary process.

As Brian Ribbon pointed out in the Comments space here back in March, the Bill as drafted at that time included a new imposition on registered sex offenders (RSOs). They will be required to notify at least 12 hours in advance if they propose to enter premises at which children are present.

On the face of it, this could be an extremely onerous measure if it meant, for instance, having to give advance notice before going shopping at a supermarket, where children are often present, usually with their parents. Likewise, kids are to be found in almost  any public premises, from libraries to leisure centres, pubs, cafes, doctors’ and dentists’ surgeries, hospitals, hairdressers, and all sorts of shops. Is it seriously proposed that RSOs must give 12 hours’ notice before going into any of them?

Unfortunately, it is still hard to say. Nothing in the Bill, which has now passed through the House of Commons committee stage, appears to limit the requirement to certain types of premises, such as schools, or children’s homes. All that is said in the Bill as amended up to this point is that the “qualifying premises” in question will be those of a kind specified in regulations made by “the appropriate authority”, a term that refers basically to the government.

Brian told us he was seeking clarification as to what these regulations are going to be, but I am not aware of any elucidation so far. Maybe their lordships will inquire further, when the Bill reaches them after the report stage in the Commons this week. Or maybe not. In that eventuality, it will be interesting to see the police struggling with all the paperwork as they quickly become deluged with thousands upon thousands of notifications to assess on a daily – nay, hourly – basis.

 

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If you ever needed yet more evidence of the obvious, that most people are attracted to what scholars call “neoteny” – the retention of juvenile characteristics into adulthood – the online influencer and musician Lil Tay is currently big news right now.

“Why”, you ask? Well, because, starting her online career from 10-years-old, she has built up a large audience and, after starting an OnlyFans account just after her 18th birthday, became a millionaire in 3 hours… Yes, you read that right! As her Wikipedia puts it:

On August 3, 2025, five days after turning 18, Tay launched an OnlyFans account, featuring content she stated had been captured at 12:01 a.m. on her 18th birthday. Three hours after opening the account, she posted a screenshot on social media showing a gross revenue of $1,024,298.

So, please tell me again how attraction to sexually developed teenagers is “weird” or “abnormal” – it seems “normal” and pretty damn popular to me!! XD It’s such a weird world we live in. Nyon all evidence points to the contrary of a dominant discourse which is having to be maintained through censorship, threats, and violence rather than robust and reasonable debate. Whenever reality rears its head, we are all expected to doubt the obvious.

But, you can’t hide “the Truth” forever; no matter how many you kill for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun, humans want to get to the bottom of things, solve the riddles and sort out the problems. The age taboo is extremely recent in human history, and even in our brutal, heinous time of unspeakable injustice against consensual, non-normative sexual contact, the cracks are always showing… There will be many more persecuted in the coming years, likely for “AI child abuse images” (drawings are cartoons), but like all big, sweeping changes or dare we say it – “revolutions” – things have to get really, really bad before anyone does anything about it.

I hope the Online Safety Bill will be one nail in the coffin of Age Apartheid. A moment where the taboo overreaches and extends itself so far, that people can’t help but see it as ridiculous. I feel sorry that many young people may prevented from, or at least find it increasingly difficult, to build up an audience and career ready for the time they turn 18 (as this Lil Tay woman has done). Many would, if they thought about it, much prefer a fun, lucrative, easy-on-the-body and mind career be an option for their children, instead of the trauma and anxiety of being thrust unprepared into the university/work world as so many of us were…

As always, the discourse of “child protection” is being used to further reduce the freedoms of young people. And it is ordinary, working-class people with no rich parents or safety nets who suffer most, having their opportunities to build a career and independent life before they turn 16/18 further ruptured. Soon, the young may be banned from having social media accounts altogether, or relegated to highly censored platforms like “YouTube Kids.”

I’m glad Lil Tay got involved when she did, made the best out of social media posting. Now, because her mother supported her and didn’t shut down her social media for fear of “muh pedos online”, she’s a millionaire at 18.

Good for you, Lil Tay…

Michael Tracey, The Idiocy of the Epstein Mythology (Compact Magazine, July 10, 2025)

I found this very, very scary to read. The reach, scope, and magnitude of forces mobilized in one dreadful rush against this man.

One innocent act of oral copulation!

Serious child abuse: Delta co-pilot arrested from plane in San Francisco is Indian-origin Rustom Bhagwagar; other pilot had no idea – Times of India https://share.google/kh6SiKP2p3JPPaMO7

Can you please tell us of this horror story here so we dont have to click on the link ? Im finding that clicking on things leaves me fuming….

Dystopian Internet – The UK and other countries are forcing companies to institute ID checks to enter porn sites. In response, there’s talk of YouTube instituting their own ID verification requirements, which in my view would likely kill engagement and new sign ups to the platform, bearing in mind that many creators and commentators use avatars and fake names and are at least semi-anonymous.
Effectively, anonymity is being stripped away from the internet, with people’s personal information being handed over to private companies at the behest of governments.
Are we witnessing the death of the internet as we know it? Will these changes ultimately be a good thing? What do H-TOC readers think?

I hope that this will cause a lot of inconvenience and annoyance, and that it will either lead to the repeal of these new British laws or push the Internet towards “web 3.0.”

500000 signatories on change.org against online bullshit bill. Governent gave a response but we all know its garbage. If under 18s atr children dont charge them with crimes.

>Are we witnessing the death of the internet as we know it? Will these changes ultimately be a good thing? What do H-TOC readers think?

HA! Witness the usual suspects, erotophobe Anglo fake Puritans for profit NORMALIZE horrific WAR PORN free-to-air painfully destroying and abusing lives and minds including children. Evil Anglo Industrial Mafia perverse mantra, “No profit in peace.”

>Are we witnessing the death of the internet as we know it? Will these changes ultimately be a good thing? What do H-TOC readers think?

Yes, we are. And as much as I don’t like it, I think it is only natural and unstoppable. Most people will be censored, will read censored things on the internet and will not take the extra steps to ensure they stay anonymous.

Of course, there will be ways to overcome all of it. Rich, powerful and technologically advanced will be just fine.

But the rest will be “aligned”, more than ever. AI will only make things worse, soon.

What I am curious about is for how long will TOC be able to stay online, before moving to the DarkWeb or else – out of the sight.

You would think with all the famous people who have had shenanigans with ‘underage’ folk that presumably have money. One could make a free speech loving site? Bill wyman ? Huw edwards? Polanski ?? R kelly ? Um. Maybe philip schofield. ? The censorship is driving me insane. Whats tok tok like ? Aoc is 14 in china rite ?

The thing is that most of these men (I’ve never heard of Wyman) are not MAPs. There is no indication that these men were preferentially attracted to people before puberty or in early adolescence. In regards to their attractions, at least, they’re ‘normal’ men who were simply attracted to youthful features. Neoteny, and so on.

None of these people have any reason to support “free-speech” initiatives and, if they did, they wouldn’t do so for MAPs or minor-attraction.

R. Kelly, for example, the person on that list I know the most about, having watched the 6-part “Surviving R. Kelly” documentary, was lambasted for having multiple consensual sexual relationships with barely underage teens of around 17 years old. In itself, this might be unlawful depending on where you live. Such relations are hardly uncommon, or as bad as beating someone up or killing someone, but that doesn’t mean they’re beyond criticism or can’t turn nasty despite being a consensual, statutory affair…

What R. Kelly allegedly did do that was wrong – one reason why he was sentenced so harshly – is bringing in young women to join his harem and then harshly micro-managing / controlling their every move, from deciding whether or not they were allowed to eat that day, to controlling what they would eat.

Going by the documentary, at least 1 woman loved her life with him, but others’ did not. The women were reportedly isolated from each other, had no access to a working phone or internet, and had a very tough time deciding whether to go back to their parents after having cut-off their family to go and stay with Kelly. Some had spent at least a year or more outside the workforce, often with little education or life experience having joined his harem at a young age. So, rather than being built up and encouraged towards leading a full and fulfilling life whilst also getting to be in a harem with a rich, hunky guy, many of these women felt their lives and opportunities were stripped from them.

I have no problem with consensual harems, orgies, or weird consensual sex practices, but this controlling and reportedly harsh and even physically violent attitude is a recipe for disaster. In that sense, he should be punished: not everyone is a saint. Even here, though, there’s nuance, there always is. So, to reiterate: in no way are these people “MAPs.” They’re just rich / publicly prominent dudes who fell foul of broad sex crime laws, laws which are ever-expanding in scope…

I do get your frustration, though. The censorship of MAP accounts and positive discussions of minor-attraction outside academia, gives people the illusion that the Antis and age apartheid are the dominant or common perspective, despite tons of academics, media commentators, and everyday people who are critical. It’s not a fair fight at all…

They’re coming for your cartoons:
Taycheedah man challenges AI-generated child porn charges, cites First Amendment rights

FOND DU LAC, Wis. (WLUK) – A man charged with possessing virtual child pornography is challenging the counts, arguing the First Amendment protects the material as free speech since it “is not intrinsically related to the sexual abuse of children.”

Meillo Schneider, 20, faces nine counts of possession of child pornography. He has pleaded not guilty. No trial date has been set. He returns to court Aug. 4 for a status conference.

“There was over 13,000 files included in the data provided by Amazon.com Inc. Corporation Service Company and Amazon Photos Trust and Safety Team. Det. Tikkanen briefly reviewed the material visually. Det. Tikkanen could see there were thousands of JPG and GIF files of anime/artistic renderings of child sexual abuse material,” the complaint states. “Some of these images were hard to distinguish if they were AI generated or if they were real, unidentified victims.”

Possession of child pornography has been illegal in Wisconsin for decades. Wisconsin lawmakers passed a bill in 2024 which added AI-generated content to child pornography possession laws.

My article on VirPed has been released – https://www.brianribbon.com/home/virtuous-pedophiles-a-cult-that-needs-to-die

It follows the revelation that, just two months after one VirPed director stepped down following sexual harassment allegations, his replacement was arrested for possession of criminalized images of minors and statutory ‘rape’.

Please share with anti-contact MAP friends.

Erotophilic individuals tend to masturbate and fantasize more frequently, think about sex more often, have sexual intercourse for the first time at an earlier age, have more past sexual experiences and have a greater number of intercourse partners than erotophobic individuals. Female erotophiles are also more likely to engage in breast self-examinations, schedule regular gynecological visits, and engage in preventive behaviors regarding sexually transmitted infections (e.g., more frequent condom use).[1]

Erotophobic people tend to score higher on authoritarianism and the need for achievement, have more traditional sex roles, experience more sex guilt and have more negative reactions to masturbation and homosexuality than erotophiles.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotophilia

Ugh. This is just so much dumbing down, surely. A sort of binary-strangulation
I much, much prefer erobatics
The triumph of quick over dead

>I much, much prefer erobatics
The triumph of quick over dead

Another sort of binary, bish bash bosh – tosh?

Toshquemada? Could it be you?

>Toshquemada? Could it be you?

Is Warbletube ToTquemada? In a ToTilla of ships bound for Epstein’s unknown ToTical island Little Saint Dickhead.

Then, now, always, illegal Sex – three outcums.

Forced victim can’t respond; feeble quote, “Please fuck off?”.
Forced victim forcibly responds with eye-pokes, gob smacks, kicked butts, quote, “Get the fuck outta here, d’ya hear?!”
Unforced non-victim welcums illegal sex, quote, “Victimless crime, BIG fuckin’ deal!”

With the various technical issues at community activist sites ongoing, I have posted my latest article on BoyChat – https://boychat.org/messages/1644037.htm

The premise is that condemnation of AMSC is really no different to condemnation of gay sex. It’s not one for the anti-contact brigade, but they’re probably not frequent visitors to HTOC.

Farage is on fire right now. Urging a minister to apologize for criticising him going against the Online Safety Act.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgery3eeqzxo

Whats it got to do with jimmy saville? Weirdo. Wel i used to vote lib dem but apparently they supported this bill so i might have to vote reform . Ugh. But im pretty sure they are big antis .. oh well best not voting at all

Web savvy kids MOCK Anglo Victorian body-guilt fake laws:

July 28 2025. New age verification rules in the UK under the Online Safety Act have triggered a surge in VPN usage, with some providers reporting massive increases in sign-ups and downloads.

The law requires platforms to verify users’ ages, and many users are turning to VPNs to bypass these checks, which allow them to mask their location and access content as if they were in a different country. This surge in VPN popularity has led to VPN apps topping the app store charts.

Politicians are utterly clueless. Dont forget when they banned pics of under a certain number, they made people under that age open to prosecution… The clueless fools then changed it when it was made known to them. In murica of course they love to protect teens by jailing them. Scum of the earth

Anyone hear about the “Tea App” controversy? Tons of news articles about it, e.g.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/25/women-only-tea-app-could-actually-make-dating-harder-expert-says.html

I tend to agree that it’s a bad idea, and will only increase social atomization, distrust, unwillingness to date and approach women in men, and intensify the sex wars. We want a society of more fun, open-minded, relaxed individuals, whereas this app seems to promote paranoia and gossip…

For instance, some children undergoing sexual abuse victimization therapy interpret their experience as neither abusive nor harmful (Angelides 2004, 160). For children declared child sexual abuse (CSA) ‘victims’, however, therapy can be mandatory, even if they deny having been molested (Gallo-Lopez 2000, 273). In these instances, the first task for therapists is to lead children to recast their denials of injury as accounts of abuse and of victimization (Davis 2005, 167). In other words, therapists encourage children to rewrite their experiences to fit the parameters of the dominant CSA framework, wherein victims and offenders are conceptualized in absolutes: against the knowing adult perpetrator, the child victim is cast as innocent and blameless (Kitzinger 2005, 165). Accordingly, children in therapy are automatically ascribed the status of victim, heedless of their accounts of what transpired. Once they acknowledge both abuse and victimhood, children are prompted to recognize their innocence (Celano et al. 2002), as per the now famous dictum ‘sexual abuse is never the child’s fault’. Children who feel that the dominant framework does not reflect their interpretations are nevertheless expected to adopt it. Indeed, children’s espousal of the dominant framework and concomitant denial of alternative narratives are seen as markers of therapeutic success

https://doi.org/10.1080/14681811.2011.590065

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Anne-Marie Grondin. A classic. She’s a former sex abuse councilor who went rouge, started being honest that the cases she was seeing were not all horribly raped children, but extremely agentic, willing teens who’d been forced to come to councilling / therapy after a statutory affair was broken up by the authorities.

She authored some great scholarship…

>went rouge,

Prof Prue gone rogue?

forced? yeh dotn the authorities love forcing kids do do stuff !! thats abuse, right?

Flipped script.

NORMALIZE all-age healthy Sex-Porn pleasure, amusing young and old minds .

CRIMINALIZE all-age horrific War-Porn of young and old painfully destroyed 24/7 in ‘Family’ media, abusing all minds.

Apparently in 2021, there was some controversy surrounding the ILGA, and a “Feminist declaration” signed by its member orgs including sex work collectives. It was said by OG Feminists and commentators like Graham Linehan to be a pedophile’s charter.

https://gript.ie/allow-children-as-young-as-10-to-consent-to-sex-lgbt-ngo/

Sexual Health and Rights for ALL – welcome to the World Association for Sexual Health.

Sex-positive attitudes and beliefs are embraced around the world, and diversity is widely accepted.

MAKE CHANGE POSSIBLE. Support WAS’s vision and bring Sexual Health and Rights to ALL

04 Sept 2025, 05:00 – 23:00 World Sexual Health Day 2025: Sexual Justice – What Can We Do?

Worldwide World Sexual Health Day (WSHD) is an annual global event organized by the World Association for Sexual Health on September 4th 2025.

https://www.worldsexualhealth.net/

Time to CURE the disordered erotophobe Anglos aka nitpicking, PHDDs PinHead Dancing Dickheads.

U.S. DOST test – Department of Science and Technology. Whether the child is depicted in an unnatural pose, or in inappropriate attire, considering the age of the child. Whether the child is fully or partially clothed, or nude. Whether the visual depiction suggests sexual coyness or a willingness to engage in sexual activity.

The Dost Test: “As everything becomes child pornography …Reddit · r/wikipedia
10+ comments · 13 years ago A lie-to-children is a simplified, and often technically incorrect, explanation of technical or complex subjects employed as a teaching method.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=what+si+the+dost+test

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotophobia

Yo i bin looking at 16 year old girls wit bit titties walking down the street, 10 years they gona jail me cos they gonna attach advice to my eyes which will register their ages

Some of Dostoevsky’s childhood experiences found their way into his writings. When a nine-year-old girl had been raped by a drunk, he was asked to fetch his father to attend to her. The incident haunted him, and the theme of the desire of a mature man for a young girl appears in The Devils, The Brothers Karamazov, Crime and Punishment, and other writings.[20]

Although Dostoevsky had a delicate physical constitution, his parents described him as hot-headed, stubborn, and cheeky.[23] In 1833, Dostoevsky’s father, who was profoundly religious, sent him to a French boarding school and then to the Chermak boarding school. He was described as a pale, introverted dreamer and an over-excitable romantic.[24] To pay the school fees, his father borrowed money and extended his private medical practice. Dostoevsky felt out of place among his aristocratic classmates at the Moscow school, and the experience was later reflected in some of his works, notably The Adolescent.[25][17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fyodor_Dostoevsky

There appears to be a page on this rather woke, sex positive education site, proclaiming that children are kinky and fetishistic from the age of 10, and sometimes even have paraphilias.

Readers here may be interested in some of the references, including works on BDSM tendencies in children.

I have not had time to check these reviews, nor the other pages on the site.

https://sexedrescue.com/children-kink-fetishes/

Paedophilia (Sexual preference for children)
Then:
It is important to recognize that some of these cannot be consensual such as frotteurism and paedophilia.
So they do not admit child-adult Eros.
Most of the site is about selling sex education kits for all ages.

Another Anglo national-nanny in the VIM – Victims Industrial Mafia. Bringing 25+ years experience as a qualified sex educator, Cath Hakanson is a warm, down to earth, relatable expert who can respond to even the wildest sex ed questions with the same confidence, comfort and honesty she teaches parents worldwide.

Cath Hakanson believes that if kids can talk to their parents about sex, they can talk to them about anything. And that makes for better relationships, happier families and safer kids who are equipped to make smart sexual decisions.

The founder of Sex Ed Rescue and Sex Ed Shop, Cath’s on a mission to empower parents with the tools and confidence to make sex education less cringy and more comfortable. Her approach simplifies sex ed, focusing on age-appropriate facts and honesty, tailored to each family’s values and beliefs.

A globally renowned sex educator, an author and an AuDHD mother of two neurodivergent children, Cath has helped over 1,000,000 people around the world teach their kids about sex, bodies, gender and relationships. Her simple, straightforward resources tackle every topic from porn to pleasure, gender identity to body diversity, masturbation to consent.

Knowledge is constructed, all human activity is constructed from thought… ‘the first man to throw a insult, instead of a stone, was probably the creator of civilization”-Freud or something along those lines, what I am saying is that knowledge is how society orders the underlining social order from repeating the knowledge ”repetition creates truth” also in google the ”social order=knowledge” goes along with this topic.

>‘the first man to throw a insult, instead of a stone, was probably the creator of civilization”-

The next straight LGBTPQ to make a positive result instead of a negative insult is on the way to build a society. Not a 4-centuries ongoing anti-social Global phoney Anglophone,

History’s all time worst genocidal racists still perversely posing as World best role-model – WTF?!

looks like you gonna have to have ID to look at porn sites in uk now. great, gonna make it hard to look at legal porn! nice job, numbskulls

Even outside the UK, ID barriers are being set in place. Recently, I took my VPN off briefly, and was gobsmacked to see an ID requirement come up.

I always find it ironic. The narrative goes that MAPs or sexy time somehow “destroy” childhood, whilst everywhere the age gap Antis are pushing to warp and mold childhood to fit their twisted, desexualized “innocent” version that’s increasingly divorced from reality.

For me, this ID requirement is truly the death of childhood. Y’kow why? Because my childhood was full of free, unfettered access to the internet and thus porn, the thing I wanted to see most and cherished more than anything. It was fucking brilliant, and I still remember some of the great and inspiring porn I saw in those days, particularly bondage porn made by professionals at Kink.com.

These pathetic politicians think they’re getting people on their side, cow-towing to what they don’t seem to realize is performative outrage and clickbait clout chasing gone into overdrive, with huge amounts of people trying desperately to build careers as content creators / influencers, and (largely until recently) Right-wing politicians looking for an easy way to attack their opponents and frame themselves as the arbiters of law and order, stability, and “justice.”

What Kier Starmer, Macron, etc. don’t seem to realize or don’t care about, is that security culture never ends; you can always find a potential or possible threat, or re-frame something (like porn) as risky or dangerous. Instead of caving to the political Right and taking away even more spaces of freedom, hoping to stave off the victories of Farage, Le Pen, etc. by doing their policies first (cutting disability safety nets, reducing the poor’s ability to flee war or move country, and so on), they should be focuses on expanding people’s freedoms.

I will concede, though, the Liberal losers who keep the Left at bay, who hold back the only meaningful opposition to the far-right (the socialists), are right to be scared. The Right has great media game which pales in comparison to anything remotely “Left.” They’ll spend millions to bankroll popular social media, creating institutions unto themselves like GB News, the Daily Wire, or Brett Cooper, to push their agenda. Instead of standing up to them, or even better yet, bankrolling their own social media empires full of edgy, topical content staffed by charismatic, attractive individuals, the “Left” keep banging on about Marxist theory whilst the liberals are terrified of drawing the far-right’s ire.

There is counter discourse, some fantastic, principled media figures and political candidates with good message discipline, like Jeremy Corbyn and the new Green leader , but they could do with better social media cred. Destiny, one of the most popular liberal/left streamers who debates people live, goes to in-person events and meets political candidates / politicians, is a model for how to shape mass discourse in the social media age.

He’s even taken a grounded, reality-pilled take on Jeffrey Epstein, and I humbly suggest that with a handful of popular figures like him plus big “news” style Lefty channels, who both make it a priority to ruthlessly criticize their political opponents and, where possible, humiliate them in live debate: then, you’d have a much more lasting and effective Left opposition to this ceding-to-the-Right anti-porn bullshit driven by “protecting our kids” fearmongering…

[Rant… over!!! :p ]

Prue, two things as well as asking if you could paste your third paragraph here, the one beginning “for me..” into the comments beneath veteran Hollywood screenwriter David Mamet’s current “The Epstein cliffhanger” piece for Unherd? And time once more to ask why scores of heretics aren’t also there, fighting the dreadnought “sexualization” with sexy time?
Those two things are
1) is it trueprue you are not yourself MAP? Somehow, until you ‘alluded in passing’ recently, this marvellous detail has eluded me
2) you operate from beyond evermore besieged UK borders?

Took me a hot minute to find the article you mentioned: https://unherd.com/2025/07/the-epstein-cliffhanger/

I may well comment under the article, though I suspect the main reason people aren’t commenting on Unheard is because they need to “subscribe” (i.e. give an email) to comment, and because many of us here don’t routinely read articles from an alternative conservative media source like Unheard.

In fairness, anyone could use an anonymous email, Tutanota, Protonmail, etc. It would be great to have some organized commenting, which the MAP Allied group PCMA used to do…

I am indeed not an MAP, “one of the good ones” lol. I am not preferentially attracted to pre-pubescent children, or pubescent adolescents, and in-fact tend to be drawn to very stereotypical teilio traits including busty, fat-assed women and jacked men. I happened to stumble into the “other side” of scholarship on intergen issues some years ago, and in open-minded curiosity I read more, and more, and more. And… well… here I am! :p

Haha, I’ve lived in a few places. :p I do agree w/ you though, that the UK seems to be in a dire state. I’d encourage people to move to greener pastures, or at least do some traveling and get a feel for different places.

Golly, I don’t use anonymous email anywhere I comment. I suppose at some ‘level’ (very flat word that) I like to think that a ‘measure of pride’ in what one is doing ‘publically online is necessary so as not to entirely internalise an image-of-oneself as spurrtually contracted, fearful outcast. I certainly would like to learn more about the history of this PCMA tag team you mention!

But Prue if not preferentially then are you “attracted” sometimes? The whole situation borders constantly on the absurd, given that the average small being in any public space is a cowed, cosseted and withdrawn creature, who even if it was packing some unfettered mojo deep down somewhere how would anyone ever know? How would the chance to know arise? For the very most part, there is simply nothing active ‘there’ to be “attracted to”!

Any pornographic representation of small kawaii beings, on the other hand, hits like a pocket hurricane – without fail! And of course this is where the evident readership of HTO’C oft-times feels ever so alien or remote to me, as it seems rarely to ever get beyond the point of a thoroughgoing (dare I say it?) petulance that a special “sexuality” has been somehow overlooked by the forces of progress? There appears to be no real effort to get to discursive grips with the wildest paradox of the thing – that an interdiction like no other, an omni-taboo of another order of magnitude, has endowed the merest whiff or idea of a sexually expressive child with a frightful potency that turns most ‘adult brains’ to mush and their hearts to faintest squeaks..

Can any of us even begin to say what we think children would look like to us in the complete absence of any taboo? If none such had ever existed?

Who among ye (if i may sample JC) can say their “sexuality” or perhaps “libido” grew in some way or sense independently of all this?

“Alternative conservative” is a curious way to peg Unherd, I must say Seems to me it’s highly stimulating in almost every area of life there is, but for that of U N D E R A G E, where they play it so close to the chest it’s like the “correct attitude in this regard” makes the fabled stiff upper lip look like a squirming fish

This article is completely insane to me: https://unherd.com/2025/07/age-blockers-cant-save-kids-from-porn/

Let kids be kids! If kids weren’t looking for the porn, clicking on the porn, you wouldn’t need to spend so much time, money, and effort to try to “protect them” (prohibit them) from it!

Our wealthiest and most powerful companies pump unrestricted access to hardcore porn to our children, scot-free.

>No they do not! Porn companies explicitly market to over 18s, often have an “adults only” or “18+ only” notice on their content, etc. It’s not the companies fault that your bored, horny children trapped in their bedrooms, not allowed to go outside for fear they’ll get kidnapped by non-existent “pedos” or raped by Jihadi John “grooming gangs,” tries to seek some excitement and fun in life! Maybe, for once they’ll actually learn something useful!!

Kids don’t need “saving from porn,” they’ve been viewing porn and sex for decades if not, in various forms, for all human history, and been fine. What they need saving from, are these harmful, dangerous, sex-negative ideas that pretend as if the moment a person under 18 even sees sex on screen, their brain turns to mush and they lose the ability to relate to people in real life. It’s far-right moral panic bullshit, every fuckin’ day with these grifting busybodies…

  1. Let kids be kids! If kids weren’t looking for the porn, clicking on the porn, you wouldn’t need to spend so much time, money, and effort to try to “protect them” (prohibit them) from it

can I steal away with this Prue and as subscriber hit the Unherd commentariat all kinds of hard with it?

Go for it! Comment away!

The response to the challenge of Trump in 2016 was to cook up the Russiagate fraud, ensuring rapprochement couldn’t happen after the Obama regime had – officially – ended. Trump now tries to link this to the Epstein scandal to deflect the anger of his MAGA base over lack of transparency and involving the US in yet more wars, most likely shielding Israel (actual election interference, anyone?).

As the far Right has reframed democracy as dangerous populism, and gone out of their way to stop e.g. France, Germany, Romania (appealing to Russiagate!), Czechia from having political alternatives, it’s not a matter of stealing their policies and implementing them first. Starmer, Macron, Merz etc. are robbing their populations to keep the war on Russia going (Hegseth and Vance even spelled it out), while the US target Iran, to pivot to PRC. 

In the context that there may be no children in 5-10 years, I find it hard to get riled up over ID verification for porn. While it hasn’t the logical beauty of e.g. the USSR, it still creates a symmetry between pedos and children.

Disordered erotophobe Anglo fake media CRIMINALIZES healthy sex-pleasure porn. While NORMALIZING horrific War porn of children in pain, death and destruction 24/7 in mainstream ‘Family’ media, poisoning young minds. Anglo industrialized media of War-porn painful Child Abuse/HYPOCRISY should CEASE, and robustly be made a SERIOUS CRIME. While healthy sex-pleasure porn should be made all-age MANDATORY to finally erase disordered Anglo erotophobia. Quote SeXy ’70s Love Generation – “Make Love not War”.

Quote, UK SeXy ’70s HOT Lolis to Bold MAP, “Why can’t we buy fun Dutch ‘Lolita’ mags in Britain?”

July 25, 2025 57 minutes Available for over a year: From today, websites operating in the UK with pornographic content must ‘robustly’ age-check users. Under the Online Safety Act, platforms must protect young people from encountering harmful content relating to suicide, self-harm, eating disorders and pornography. Kylie discusses the issues with the BBC’s senior technology reporter Graham Fraser and Head of Policy and Public Affairs at CEASE, Gemma Kelly.

https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/m002g52h

And then the media will start crying about the rise of “harassment and abuse,” which will be amplified by the screams of feminists blaming men and demanding a new round of tougher laws.

An organization with the telling name “Collective shout” (for the Leftists, everything is always collective) complained that games with sexual abuse and incest were being sold on digital distribution platforms for computer games (“Steam”, etc.) As a result, under pressure from payment services, some games began to be removed. This did not please some developers, but no one can yet do anything to counter the control of the payment dictate. In a similar way, the Antis are trying to put pressure on hentai in Japan.

Bit redundant in our society but here goes.

How to appeal to any girl

  1. Smell nice (good aftershave & collagen cream)
  2. Smile and be kind
  3. Be detached and unobtrusive
  4. Be disinterested
  5. Look at them
  6. Be well groomed
  7. Smart / smart casual dress

Look at them and be disinterested seems a bit contradictory… Looked at many girls today and felt very depressed as i couldnt get any kind of contact with them. Even talking… Even if they were interested.. Id just get abuse. Even if they were legal … Sorry really dont want to be a misery.. but on a bit if a downer. But at least england lost. Nope … Yup dont want a country of antis winning.. italy aoc 14 dont forget…

ZT and Matt: Disinterested is a much misused term. Fact is it means standing to gain no profit or gain from one’s interest in something. For example the founder of generative anthropology likes to call me his “only disinterested disciple” Presumably bc I have no academic or political affiliation? But how one could “be” disinterested, especially in any encounter with that sex most beloved to one, is beyond me! I imagine we are thinking here of giving off an impression of ‘not caring’? Of being somehow “self-contained” in a terrifyingly mimetic human world – which is to say one where things pass between individuals much faster than they can be identified, let alone controlled? TBH I think ZT’s ‘recipe’ above is a horrid hodgepodge of hope-fodder that no girl that I think worth knowing would give a damn about..Sure, don’t stink, but that’s about it. Then again it must be said i live mostly in Japan where my gaijin status ensures an overall saving aura of novelty will accompany any “moves” I make in the direction of unholy moisture, if I may so speak! But i have run with great gaggles of schoolgirls in swirls of unmitigated shared-delight more times than I know, and have no intention of stopping..My appearance for the most part is that of a (physically fit) tatterdemalion. In all of it I can honestly say I never have the first clue of what “goal” i’m trying to reach or of any such preconceived thang. In all of it the only ‘guide’ is lets see what happens when our mutually mad enthusiasm is unbound…

Disinterested is because there’s actually no further motive than just spreading a bit of joy and happiness.

Warb, would you say the talk of Japan having a bias against foreigners, Westerners / the non-Japanese is true in your experience?

‘Be disinterested’ and ‘look at them’ simultaneously is key. You register an interest, but there’s zero pressure in that interest. You use your best judgment on length and frequency of look. But you’re not really focused on or preoccupied by them and have an air of nonchalance. Meanwhile you have a good aftershave which appeals to her on the most basic primeval (and visceral) level. And if your eyes should meet, you make damn sure you give her your kindest, most charming smile – balancing *subtlety* with impact. And just maybe her little face will light up 🙂

[MOD: It is reasonable to interpret the interest expressed here as NOT, repeat NOT, directed towards illegal grooming for sexual purposes. Seeing “a little face light up” is the beginning and end of it, right? In the context of a MAP-orientated blog, however, this is obviously a sensitive matter and potentially an existential one for HTOC. Posts will not be permitted to drift towards looking like illicit “how to” guides. Others please note.]

And here ZT is more wickedly thoughtful Hanania on a topic more relevant to what you’re on about here than ever, given what we might call the State of the Sausage (and how the sausage is made:)

https://open.substack.com/pub/richardhanania/p/why-does-korea-have-an-under-endowed?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=3pkhw

Btw ‘to hananiate’ is now a verb. It means the endeavour to avoid being influenced by those followers you are trying to influence. Driving you ever closer to the brink of foolishness, just to meet their swelling expectations of you. Not sure but it may have been Mary Harrington who coined it, she who was nonplussed to learn that i’d ordered my first lifesize MH doll from China, made solely from nichequiche…

A disgrace to majority benign MAPs?

Anglo Psycho Power MAPs – lust for HOT Lolis & Laddies.

The Epstein case is important because it implodes the fiction of deep divisions between Democrats, who had no more interest in releasing the Epstein files than Trump, and the Republicans. They belong to the same club. It exposes how the courts and law enforcement agencies collude to shield powerful figures who engage in crimes. It lays bare the depravity of our exhibitionist ruling class, accountable to no one, free to violate, plunder, loot and prey on the weak and the vulnerable. It is the tawdry record of our oligarchic masters, those who lack the capacity for shame or guilt, whether dressed up as Donald Trump or Joe Biden.

This class of ruling parasites was parodied in the first-century satirical novel “Satyricon” by Gaius Petronius Arbiter, written during the reigns of Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. As in Satyricon, Epstein’s circle was dominated by pseudointellectuals, pretentious buffoons, grifters, con artists, petty criminals, the insatiable rich and the sexually depraved.

Epstein and his inner circle routinely engaged in sexual perversions of Petronian proportions, as The Miami Herald investigative reporter Julie Brown, whose dogged reporting was largely responsible for reopening the federal investigation in Epstein and Maxwell, documents in her book “Perversion of Justice: The Jeffrey Epstein Story.” As Brown writes, in 2016 an anonymous woman, using the pseudonym “Kate Johnson,” filed a civil complaint in a federal court in California alleging she was raped by Trump and Epstein when she was thirteen, over a four-month period, from June to September 1994. Johnson said that Epstein invited her to a series of ‘underage sex parties’ at his New York mansion where she met Trump. Enticed by promises of money and modeling opportunities, Johnson said she was forced to have sex with Trump several times, including once with another girl, twelve years old, whom she labeled ‘Marie Doe.’

Quote, benign Beatle MAP Lennon, “Backstage and in bedrooms it was like Satyricon”

Quote, proactive SeXy ’70s AAM HOT Loli, 6, laid back legs-wide on a grassy knoll, to Bold MAP, “Can you lick my bum?”
https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/trump-epstein-and-the-deep-state-531?/

>Epstein and his inner circle routinely engaged in sexual perversions of Petronian proportions, as The Miami Herald investigative reporter Julie Brown… documents in her book…
Does anybody know what this means?

US/Anglo seminary-educated deeply informed journo Hedges is traditional Puritan. Echoed by Julie Brown and WAY too many more repressed Anglo antis, can’t face ancient Roman style orgies in the backward modern Anglophone.

Check, SeXy ’70s Bold MAP’s ex-Rock-Pop workmate wed to a liberal German HOT Blonde secretary to Bob Guccione making the HOT movie ‘Caligula’. Purportedly showing preteen HOT Lolis in flagrante. In fact legal teens seen only in guarded poses. Which Bold MAP rightly said for authenticity could have been legal preteens filmed in guarded poses.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53746013-perversion-of-justice

Question for yonder Pupkin:

To what degree are you really satisfied with the explanatory value of “repressed”, indeed, the whole doctrine of “repression”? Surely you are smart enough to see how it is a conception of hydraulics, applied to a human being, and not much more? The normal passage of desiring “water” has been blocked, but being “water” it will find its way through and out somehow, but by the time it actually emerges, will have taken on some terribly distorted form? Just how mechanical does our Pupkin wish to get?

There is not a commonplace in the Anglo tongue that could not use fresh treatment. To relocate the idiom that once made them live…

>being “water” it will find its way through and out somehow, but by the time it actually emerges, will have taken on some terribly distorted form? Just how mechanical does our Pupkin wish to get?

The most robotic distortion, is the terrible distortion of repressive centuries of robot Anglo distorted sexual repression for psycho sadist power and control over the naturally expressive young. Unstoppable from pre-birth flowing with clitoral-vaginal-penile seXpression to quench their natural lust.

I dig the modesty of “naturally expressive young” there midst the surrounding wildly humpinghyperbole… May all of our Japangs & Japango reanimate that NEY hereupon, Fur Pupskin.

(..faiint sound of yapping toddling vulva in background)

Dig the natural gushing Warbletube in full flow – WAY to go!

Natural bald tight squeeze tot-vulvas would be filled full by Warbletube.

Quote a SeXy ’70s HOT Tot, 5, to Bold MAP, “In the bath my brother tries to put his sausage in my sandwich.”

Haha Warbletube should be so lucky.

I’ve not read Julie Brown’s book, though it’d be interesting to know if she builds a case that’s virtually indisputable, with quoted testimony, photos, and as much evidence that could be corroborated as possible, or if she just writes some overtly moralizing trash that’ll read like a novel, with no sources or in-book evidence and we are all left to just trust that she’s telling the truth.

I for one would like to know if Jeffrey was into nose hooks? If not, isn’t he more “vanilla” than “perverted”?

Extreme control of the information space isn’t new for GL. Some 20 years ago, they were already persecuted for much the same media, open secrets and, when possible, innocent contact with girls or parents.

As the ‘MAP’ ‘community’ continues to go all in on Western imperialism (e.g. feminist and LGBT extremism) killing and maiming, not loving, girls, how could GL expect the general public to do far better?

With declining empire, the persecution of GL will only increase. Thankfully, the sun shines more brightly on the rest of the world.

Millions of young fans, often underage AAMs, chased grabbed, groped, groomed, fucked adult MAP Rock-Pop Stars. Many fans, now grinning grannies fondly recall their illegal fun sex with adult MAP stars.

“No confirmed evidence of anything illegal”? Get the fuck outta here d’ya hear?!

In the chaos of Beatlemania, romantic boundaries often blurred. While the band publicly kept relationships discreet, rumors about flings, emotional affairs, and blurred fan interactions circulated constantly. And in some cases, they weren’t just rumors.

Asked what he thought of the Beatles constantly chased by young girls, dry-wit John Lennon said, “I think it’s terrible.” He openly admitted in interviews that during the early Beatles tours, he was unfaithful. “I’d have a girl in every city,” he once said. “It was part of the job, part of the madness.” Paul McCartney, though more private, also acknowledged casual romantic encounters, particularly in the years before settling down with Linda.

But what made these stories complicated was the power imbalance. Fans—often very young—idolized them. And while there’s no confirmed evidence of anything illegal, the ethical gray areas of fame, adoration, and intimacy have become a topic of renewed discussion in modern times.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100089362765147

You’ve reminded me that around that time the Sunday tabloids were reporting film star Oliver Reed was having an affair with a 13 year old girl. The girl’s parents admitted their daughter was friends with Reed but denied that there was a sexual relationship.

>The girl’s parents admitted their daughter was friends with Reed but denied that there was a sexual relationship.

MAP Ollie’s AAM HOT Lolis knew more than their parents.

Teenager ‘told Clifford how to get young girls for Oliver Reed’
14 Mar 2014 — Working in Max Clifford’s office would entail protecting clients such as the film star Oliver Reed, whose “odd sexual preferences” included …
Max Clifford trial: Hollywood actor Oliver Reed ‘liked young girls …

Metro.co.uk
https://metro.co.uk › News › UK

13 Mar 2014 — Hollywood legend Oliver Reed ‘liked young girls‘, the Max Clifford sex assault trial heard today.

It’s great that feminists and cucks have made heterosexual sex completely illegal and beholden to the whims of hysterical women. I’m sure in 10 more years under this system everything will be great, yup.

true, feels like im being bullied for being straight…. whats a cuck by the way

Based on my heavy interaction with TikTok AI is a double-edged sword that bolsters antis and MAPs alike. However, the amount of promotion by parents of their kids’ modelling indicates (at least for me) that society is rapidly heading towards inclusivity and tolerance, and it is mainly the Americans with their Puritan/Pilgrim roots who offer the most resistance. This resistance should be reduced in the near future as the US will soon have to use its own corporate version of TikTok (M2).

I like and sometimes comment (though not in a creepy fashion) on so-called ‘underage’ models if I like them and don’t care about being profiled. We are ALL being profiled by AI now. I do similar on the Chinese app Rednote. The times they are a’ changin’ and I find myself caring less and less what the world thinks about my attractions.

Instagram as well. It’s always fun to scroll through the comments and see all the positive sexual ones from guys in more sane parts of the world like asia and latin america. Then there’s always at least one sexually repressed, english speaking feminist or cuck who leaves a pedo slander. It’s so predictable.

True. Enjoying the positive side of it though

the amount of promotion by parents of their kids’ modelling indicates (at least for me) that society is rapidly heading towards inclusivity and tolerance

Maybe it’s that society is rapidly moving towards different ideas of ‘career’. The online space has become the place for building up a following during one’s youth, which parents are happy to promote when they see influencers raking in the cash and would prefer a nice life for their sons and daughters.

I do like your hope / optimism, though. If nothing else, having attractive young people, even just young looking people in the online / public space, shores up the fact that humans (human males at least) find neoteny attractive.

Don’t know how many of you here “identify as Millennials” ( I for one think it is the overlap of “generations” – in both directions – that is the more significant and telling thing), but Freddie deBoer is clearly foremost among writers catering to this “demographic”, and this past week saw him published for the first time by The Free Press, a major US operation who’ve probably pulled off the most credible attempt yet at the sustainably bipartisan. DeBoer however, a deeply Left-rooted craftsman of letters in his day-job, has chosen to assure us in his FP début here that the entire Epstein phenomenon is but “a sideshow” to distract us from “horrific child sex abuse” taking place behind-the-scenes at an otherwise “mundane” venue near you NOW. Caution: Paywalled
https://www.thefp.com/p/the-epstein-files-are-just-a-sideshow?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

>the entire Epstein phenomenon is but “a sideshow” to distract us from “horrific child sex abuse” taking place behind-the-scenes at an otherwise “mundane” venue near you NOW

Like the sad majority of negative modern morons horrifically mainstream GROOMED DeBoring (b.1981) knows nothing about the historic and ongoing Global majority of millions of positive sexually aMused kids, including AAMs in or out of familial settings. Sideshows Eppy, Love Magnets Elvis et al are just Olde Skool ‘Sugar Daddies’ and SeX-objects for young skool ‘Gold Diggers’ and HOT Cock hunters.

Quote, Nawty ’90s proactive AAM HOT Loli, 6, to Love Magnet Bold MAP, “I want to see your willy!”

I’m the scum of the earth, a subhuman who’s a ‘high risk to children’ and on what basis? A non-contact offence from 2018 for which I received 2 years’ probation.

I’m speaking about a detailed safeguarding report that had to be compiled just so I could attend church. It’s crushed my morale and my confidence, left me sick at heart and now I dread to enter church, the place where I am ‘the world’s worst paedophile’.

Going on Sunday is now a miserable experience, and reminds me constantly of a spent mistake many years in the past. Being ‘the world’s worst paedophile’, it’s robbed me of my confidence in public places and I just like to stay at home now. I’ve always been a quiet person and this has only turned me massively more inward and at this point I truly couldn’t give a fuck about the outside world.

Agree w/ Tom.

Sad to hear what you’re going through, but it’s the state of much of the world unfortunately. The fear and level of dangerousness ascribed to the Ps is enormous and, from all I’ve learnt on the subject, wildly disproportionate to reality.

In the UK, the laws are set to get harsher and more inhumane, so it may be a good thing that your offence is non-contact and from 2018…

Anyway, what’s done is done. Can’t change the past, only move forwards. Tom has lived well despite a lifetime of being “out,” so get inspired, take his advice and get out there! Church is one place, but if it’s made nyon impossible to go there, you’ll probably be better off going elsewhere.

If you look at it differently, a restriction makes choosing easier, since it streamlines / narrows your options. I’m pretty sure you can’t be stopped from just going outside, so you can still admire people’s beauty from a distance, have conversations with people, etc. Just probably not at designated events like Church services, where children might be…

It seems like you have some adjusting to do… I’m sure it must feel awful. Honestly, I can imagine. But, you’ll have to live despite your conviction, so you might as well live well.

Get outside, Zen. It is summer after all… Appreciate all you can and see the beauty in the world…

Prue, I prefer it indoors. I’m feeling so low energy in this heat. I even installed the ‘No Fap’ app to give that a go, but I haven’t got past ‘Noob’. For me, real beauty is in a poem or a piece of music…and in the form of the female child, but since the latter is denied me, I shall sit in my room and take my fill of Shakey’s Sonnets or Bach’s 48. This is my life, as an introvert. I had a day trip to another city recently, which was exciting, but I nearly couldn’t get back home late at night due to train incompetencies, which was traumatic. Beauty takes many forms, and life always involves several competing interests. So I have enough going on to get by.

I SEE people everywhere,. But ready points of social contact that goes anywhere at all are vanishingly rare. You are sounding like AI hereabouts Tom!

We are sociable creatures and despite most people being prejudiced scum we do need to interact. I find it very hard being autistic. And im treated with grear suspicion when i try to interact with much younger people (females especially…). This place though has been a benefit though. Alhough i doubt we will ever meet in person… I have four friends. Two who arent anti map, and another two who arent particularly hateful people .. but im told by one i should find someone nearer my age ..

But why so you dread entering this church? Because you believe they are unable to forgive you your sin? What, exactly, s a “safeguarding report”?

Warbs, I have severe social anxiety anyway, but compounded by the additional gaze and suspicion surrounding me, it will surely reach intolerable levels when I venture in this Sunday.

Dear Rethink Zen, to the best of our calculations this situation should put you in the approximate place and circumstance of Our Surrounded Lord And Saviour his very self. I recommend that you venture within yonder chapel this Sunday attired in something approximating Jim Caviezel’s appearance in Passion of the Christ. If this proves intolerable for the assembled congregation, then you are now equal..

I’ll put nails through my hands and come in with the stigmata.

Zen

Have you been convicted of a crime or have you done something consensual that the locals around the area you live found out about it (which if is the case then they have no need for a conviction just a modern witch hunt)?

Images, possession (2018).

The irony is I know I’m in the top percentile for safety with kids.

I assume that people in your area found out about it and that’s why you have a herd time fitting in (I can defiantly relate) and unfortunately we can not help the hard feelings society has, the problem with CP is that someone in the image may or may not have been coerced into it which in my view is why we should legalize CP because if we make it legal then we can allow it to happen in a way that is safe for the minors who choose to participate and properly clamp down on the criminals who are involved in coercion just like we have done when we legalized adult prostitution

LEAVE the, post-Reformation (of convenience not conviction) 4 centuries ongoing conflict-culture anti-social, divisive phoney Anglophone UK/US/CA/OZ/NZ.

History’s all time worst genocidal racists still perversely posing as World Best role-model – WTF?!

they call it the five eyes, but really it’s the five lies (hollow promises of life, liberty, happiness, freedom, and prosperity)

I understand your sentiment completely. I can tell you it’s worth it to get out to a place that isn’t the anglosphere as often as you can. The outside world is not only these repressed anglo cretins.

So, 16 & 17 year olds can now vote in British elections (already legal for Scottish Parliament). Surely now they have to be able to marry at 16 as well?

I thought the marriage age was 16 in the UK, but apparently it changed recently:

The legal minimum age to marry in the UK is 18, as of February 27, 2023. Previously, individuals could marry at 16 with parental consent, but this has been changed to protect children from forced marriages.

The recently reduced voting age is surely a political ploy, with Labour hoping to stave off Farage and Reform UK winning the next election.

In reality, Labour won’t be seeing much of those votes, but the move may help the Greens (with their fantastic new leader doing the media circuit – “tax wealth not work” indeed!), and the alternative candidates with name recognition.

Especially those who stood up against Labour’s attempt to further impoverish the disabled. (The principled and honorable politicians, some of whom have been punished by having the whip removed… Jeremy Corbyn and others who would never have allowed further cuts to the UK’s essential services and safety nets for working people, if they had any real power over it. The people the capitalist class are afraid of…)

Of course, the reduced voting age may just end up helping Farage into power, since he (unlike the “Left”) has great message discipline, clever branding, and a huge presence in media and social media.

(It’s not looking good for the UK).

Maybe they will be allowed photo of their own body too? Without interfering off the robots.um.pi.police.

Should it really be a crime to look at child pornography? – Rod Liddle (The Guardian, UK)

I wanted to look at some pictures of child pornography from the internet this week and then tell you all about them, but I couldn’t because my stupid modem broke down.

[A very funny, grounded, and articulate article from the early 2000s, showing the kind of things that people will write when they’re not afraid of a knock at the door or being cancelled on Twitter!]

The same Rod Liddle who wrote (as I remember the words), “I wanted to be a teacher, but I decided against it because I knew I would not be able to stop shagging the kids”.

Ten full pages on Google: “Confessions – I shagged a teacher”.

In any of 100+ languages on Google, WTFuck can retard antis say when truth-NUKED before and after dark by millions of past present and future, proactive AAMs?

Quote, “My mind my body my choice my MAP mind yer own!”

Quote HOT Teach, “Good job well dun son move right ohn up one.”

“Gee thanx. I’ll try the front row HOT lil blonde, agin.”

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=%E2%80%9CConfessions+%E2%80%93+I+shagged+a+teacher%E2%80%9D

.https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=J%27ai+couch%C3%A9+avec+un+professeur.

the one thing stopping me from being a teacher was that I could not remotely conceive of not trying to shag the [secondary school] kids

A certified hood classic. Hilarious writings!

Rod Liddle was clearly way too honest about his thoughts! He’s from the generation of men who, when you get them alone, will joke about wanting to shag schoolgirls. Many such men I’ve encountered in life. Some of whom are the most bigoted, anti-MAP fuckers alive, clearly projecting out of deep jealousy…

I regularly look at my new old page 3s. Featuring 16-17 year olds. Still waiting to see if one of them offs themselves. Hm. Doesnt seem like its going to happen. But the authorities seem to think thats what theyll do ?

19th Century Anglo ‘Christian’ MAPS – Mormons.

Originally a resident of the state of New York, Joseph Smith had been hauled into court on numerous occasions, accused of confidence games and charged with fraud. In one 1826 New York proceeding, he was described as “a disorderly person and an impostor.” Later he would become known for his bedding of pubescent teenagers, which led to his institution of polygamy following the revelation from God — only to Smith did He speak — that all Mormon men, especially Smith, should have multiple wives. (Today he would be charged as a serial child molester.) When the Mormons headed west and settled in Missouri and Illinois in the 1830s and 1840s, growing numbers of the chosen ones took to heart the conniving model of their spiritual father and became known for land thefts, bank frauds and cattle rustling.  Idealistic converts started to look askance at their adopted religion. Smith’s personal secretary concluded that Smith and his fellow church fathers were “confirmed Infidels, who have not the fear of God before their eyes. They lie by revelation, swindle by revelation, cheat and defraud by revelation.” Lying was considered a holy duty, a command of the scriptures, justified exactly in the way lying to protect rapist priests was justified in the papal hierarchy to protect the interests of the Catholic Church. An early official historian of Mormonism who later repudiated the Saints accused its leadership of “selfishness, seeking for riches, honor and dominion, tyrannizing over the people, and striving constantly after power and property.” What the Latter-day Saints really wanted, as with any cult, was the property and cash of converts along with their free labor.

When a mob in Illinois murdered Joseph Smith in 1844, Mormons turned to a new leader, Brigham Young. A smart and ambitious member of Smith’s inner circle, Young lacked the prophet’s charm and charisma, but had been a close study of his mentor’s command and control techniques while legitimizing and expanding the institution of polygamy. (Brigham’s gaggle of wives expanded to number in the dozens — BRING ’EM YOUNG, they called him.) Ruling as “the only law-giver and law-maker on earth,” Young carried his people on their exodus into the sun-blasted wilderness of Utah, in the valley of the Great Salt Lake at the edge of the Wasatch Mountains, where Salt Lake City stands today. In 1847, his 3,000-strong flock began the building of Zion. 

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/from-joseph-smith-to-mike-lee-two-centuries-of-mormon-land-grabbers/

This just in! Remember Elmo? The lovable red Muppet character from the children’s television show Sesame Street? Well, his Twitter account “got hacked” and started sharing antisemitic Tweets, @-ing Donald Trump calling him a “child fucker” who hasn’t released the “Epstein Files” because he’s in them…

A quote from the account that made news:

Elmo says ALL JEWS SHOULD DIE. FUCK JEWS. DONALD TRUMP IS NETANYAHU’S PUPPET BECAUSE HE IS IN THE EPSTEIN FILES. JEWS CONTROL THE WORLD AND NEED TO BE EXTERMINATED.

A good example of how anti-pedo conspiracy intersects with antisemitism and “Epstein”; the shadowy “elites” versus us oh so “normal,” virtuous people. When, in reality, Epstein wasn’t even a pedo (facepalm)… It’s all so ridiculous…

Has everyone seen that Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news? Specifically, the so-called “client list” which we are now told never existed?

The Epstein conspiracy is one of the most ridiculous, clear examples of moral panic I’ve ever seen. Without any evidence whatsoever, hordes or randomers online started confidently pronouncing that there must be some massive cover-up, and that Jeffrey – a man at the time facing down a second legal battle and potentially decades of jail time – was killed rather than killed himself. And even if he was killed, how do you know it’s some ploy to protect the rich and powerful, and not just regular old “nonce” / “pedo” bashing which is apparently so common in American prisons?

When it comes to Jeffrey, rarely if ever does anyone discuss specifics. We’ll hear things like: “He trafficked and raped girls.” Okay, how old were these “girls”, because in my research I’ve found 14 to be the youngest age? Media constantly calls him a “pedophile,” but where are the pre-pubescent children? Nowhere to be found!

By “trafficking,” do they mean he paid for Colombian cartels to throw poor slave children into a shipping container to be delivered to him, or do they mean simply that someone crossed a border? (oh no, the horror)!

People make spurious connections because Jeffrey, as a very well-connected man, met tons of people who’ve also been convicted for crimes involving minors, such as Larry Nassar or Jean-Luc Brunel. Even though their crimes aren’t relevant to having know Jeffrey!

It’s craziness! XD

Ok here’s one: liberals not conservatives brought about the blanket restrictions on adult-child sex, and shifted the paradigm such that the systemic structure of the World Order allowed no possibility, even amongst the most staunch conservative, for adult-child sex to enter political discourse.

Blackstone’s Commentaries in the mid-eighteenth century controversially stated that ‘sex with a girl under 10 is rape, per se’. It was a liberal swoop on the rights of men and children to enjoy adult-child sex uninhibited by the law.

Much of this has been deliberately lost from the historical record, to cover their tracks.

In a system of patriarchalism, adult-child sex with children as young as you like is broadly permitted, as a cornerstone of more traditional societies.

Lockean liberal democracy had to abrogate and exorcise adult-child sex, because adult-child sex is fundamentally incompatible with the control of the citizen, because the citizenry in charge of themselves are an unpredictable and unstable force with undesirable elements, and obviously have to be much more tightly regulated. Hence Robert Peel’s need for the institution of a national Police force, which did not exist before.

Adult-child sex is a deeply patriarchal, conservative right!!

Discuss!

>Discuss.

The age of consent in the UK evolved from 12 in the pre-printing press 13th century to The Offences Against the Person Act 1875 raised it to 13 in Great Britain and Ireland, and then to 16 in mass newsprint 1885 following a fake media panic by trash tabloid pioneer William Stead. The Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 established the age of 16. This act also introduced a higher penalty for offences against girls under 13. William Thomas Stead (5 July 1849 – 15 April 1912) was an English newspaper editor who, as a pioneer of investigative journalism, became a controversial figure of the Victorian era.[1] Stead published a series of hugely influential campaigns whilst editor of The Pall Mall Gazette (became the muddle-class The Daily Mail), including his 1885 series of articles, The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon. These were written in support of a bill, later dubbed the “Stead Act“, that raised the age of consent from 13 to 16.[2] Stead’s “new journalism” paved the way for the modern tabloid in Great Britain.[2] He has been described as “the most famous journalist in the British Empire”.[3] He is considered to have influenced how the press could be used to influence public opinion and government policy, and advocated “GOVERNMENT BY JOURNALISM“.[4] He was known for his reportage on child welfare, social legislation and reformation of England’s criminal codes. Stead died in the sinking of the RMS Titanic. (Non sex ‘went down’ on the Titanic).

The 20th Century high point for low/no AOC was the SeXy ’70s. In March 1976, the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL), called for an equal age of consent of 14, or 10, in Britain.[22] The submission to the Criminal Law Revision Committee generated extensive newspaper coverage. While the report recognized the merits of abolishing the age of consent, it proposed retaining a prohibition on sex under the age of 14 “as a compromise with public attitudes”,[23] stating that “although it is both logical and consistent with modern knowledge about child development, to suggest that the age of consent should be abolished, we fear that, given the present state of public attitudes on this topic, it will not be politically possible to abolish the age of consent”.[24]

They also argued that “childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult result in no identifiable damage” and suggested that more harm was caused when the children retold their experiences in court or to the press. The submission was signed by Harriet Harman, who was a legal officer for the NCCL at the time before becoming an MP in 1982.[25] Harman denies ever supporting the age of consent being lowered to 10, and claimed that right-wing newspapers the Daily Mail and The Telegraph had tried to make her “guilty by association” with fringe groups that had previously been connected to the NCCL.[22]

Although he does not favour total abolition, Francis Bennion, a British liberal humanist also influenced by the historical context of the issue, emphasised the fact that children are “sexual beings”, concluding that this in itself makes legal prohibitions unfair.[27] Miranda Sawyer, British journalist specialised in music and youth culture, suggested that “we have sexual feelings from a very early age”, considering that sex is “natural behaviour”. She favoured lowering the age of consent to 12 in the UK while labeling the criminalisation of sexual activity under the age of 16 as “laughably unrealistic”.[28]

Lowest of the low point UK Summer Y2K victims of the post-Sarah Payne sex murder-victim, trash media Murdoch-Rebekah Brooks’ News of The World mob-rule ‘Name & Shame’ campaign. A pediatrician from Gwent had her home vandalized after vigilantes took her job title for the word “pedophile;[7][1][3][11]A retired sea captain was murdered by two vigilantes, who firebombed his home after he was wrongfully accused of being a sex offender. Both perpetrators were jailed for life;[3]A Glasgow man was beaten to death by vigilantes who accused him of sex crimes;[3]A group of sixty people threw paint at the house of, and verbally attacked, a Plymouth man who was wrongfully accused of child sex crimes;[4]Two people suspected of sex crimes died by suicide amid civil unrest related to name and shame;[6]A 66-year-old Guildford man had his neighbors receive letters falsely accusing him of sexual crimes. He was then provided with overnight protection by police, who distributed leaftlets stating his innocence;[9]A 78-year-old Croydon man had his home address distributed to about 300 households near his home in leaflets that wrongfully accused him of sex crimes;[12]A 55-year-old man had leaflets wrongfully accusing him of sex crimes distributed to about 500 households near his home;[12]Several families from Portsmouth fled their homes due to violent protests in the area that lasted for five days. They were offered rehousing by the Portsmouth City Council.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age-of-consent_reform_in_the_United_Kingdom#/

Nice of you to write a list of the least intelligent lifeforms in the uk. I can see where the americans come from in terms if self defence (but sadly sex felons arent allowed to defend themselves from loons). If accused of such crimes we should at the very least be allowed tasers. Guns? No way, with the fruitcakes in this country it will be a bloodbath. Actually we should move somewhere with sane people… Would love to know what these vigilantes think of their imprisonment…. Sadly it probably wont be enough punishment.

Some really good quotes in that Miranda Sawyer article.

According to experts such as John Coleman, of the Trust for the Study of Adolescence, we have sexual feelings from a very young age.

‘Many adults think that sexuality really starts with puberty,’ he says, ‘but it doesn’t. Children are sexual from the very beginning.’ In fact, by age two, most babies are playing with their genitals. We explore our own bodies – and, sometimes, those of others – throughout our childhood and into our adolescence. ‘We can’t say at any one age that a child becomes sexual.’

I don’t know when the stigmatisation and demonisation of paedophilia began, but I guess that at least in prehistoric times, before man began to develop certain absurd taboos, it must have been commonplace, practised by most members of the tribe and socially accepted, even homosexual paedophilia. I have always wondered how, when and why shyness arose. I have never understood why people are ashamed to be seen naked or even to see others naked, the body being completely natural. In prehistoric times it must have been completely normal to go naked, have erections, masturbate and have sex openly in front of each other, without any shame or embarrassment. This is how animals live, including our closest ape relatives, and this is how it should be now in a healthy and free society.

>Adult-child sex is a deeply patriarchal, conservative right!!

Biased, sexist Zen forgets deeply matriarchal Femme MAP-AAM affairs, also Anglo falsely demonized.

Check, Bold MAP’s youthful cell-mate falsely told by prison psychos that he became a public groper of women because from age 13 he had been fucking his HOT MAP aunt. The fake psychos in denial of the pertinent fact that his patriarch Dad had forbade him from associating with his rough and ready mates, so he grew up with no social skills. Bold MAP convinced him that his youthful good looks and friendly personality would be a magnet for young schoolgirls, and on-release he should become a MAP. The confused dude often loudly asked Bold MAP when he would STOP paedophilia, to which Bold MAP loudly replied, “I am stopping it being misrepresented.” Eventually the young dude was so seduced by Bold MAP’s true tales that he loudly pleaded, “Please STOP, you’re turning me into a paedophile!”

It is true that past societies which institutionalized pederasty, such as the Japanese Samurai or in Ancient Greece, were very “conservative” in some ways. Especially in terms of rigid sex/gender norms.

But basically, different societies throughout history have held a variety of sexual practices to be legitimate and acceptable, and others to be unacceptable, using their own myths, icons, stories, and justifying ideologies, all underwritten by some kind of punishment for those who go against the norm.

It just so happens that age and sex have become the latest focal point, a very recent taboo that is presently widespread and ferocious, backed up by harsh laws delving out jail sentences of decades and even 100 years +.

But yes, liberals have played their part. And in Victorian England, the 1st wave feminist movement took prostitution as one of its concerns, using the issue of child prostitution as they saw it, to gain favor for their cause. So, for sure it’s not all Right-wingers or conservatives. A diverse, huge swath of people have played a role in establishing a taboo on sex across the generations.

Thoughtful comment, Zen. Making us all think! :p

25 year age-gap French MAP & AAM just landed, and lauded on Anglo UK State Visit.

Schoolboy Emmanuel was a cute 15 with HOT drama teacher Brigitte, 40.

ARREST her and send victim-survivor President Macron for lifelong counseling and BIG Cash compo!

Speaking of french. Any one seen my father the hero with gerard depedieu ? Kathereine heigl who was 14 in it said guys had told her she was hot in it. Lol ita !

I’ve got the same problem with Instagram, as Dissident, but I wrote about being a “paedophile” in my profile though have never messaged or commented anyone. It is interesting that once a video appeared with a girl saying: “Stop staring at me!” I was registered in Instagram for only a couple of days.

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Luxembourg “victim” activists have offered some bill to the parliament – I have no time to study it:

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A 39-year-old Brit with previous convictions has married a 8-year-old in the Paris Disneyland:

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It seems that I won’t be able to comment here for the next months, the library with Internet won’t work until september. Buy, have a good summer.

The man had consensual relationship with someone who was classed as being under the AOC and went to prison for it (only a two or three year age difference) the guy will now have a hard time getting a job just like many other ppl out there who have been shamed by society for similar reasons and will most likely have to live on benefits for the rest of his life (at the expense of the tax payer) so I ask the question like many heretics on here what benefit does the AOC have for the world, what use does it have?

British teen jailed in Dubai over sex with girl released | BBC News

 so I ask the question like many heretics on here what benefit does the AOC have for the world, what use does it have?

It helps enforce a few things that are considered very important to contemporary WEIRD culture:

  1. It enforces a form of moral propriety under the guise of “protecting” youths from both their own “bad” decisions and from adults who may “exploit” them by helping them cross that moral boundary.
  2. Remember the morality lesson our culture gave us in numerous slasher flicks where youths having sex were always targeted and killed. As Randy put it in the spoof slasher film Scream: “Sex equals sin.” WEIRD culture has a, well, weird love-hate attitude towards sexual expression. It’s healthy when it promotes or enforces boundaries, but treated as a symbol of corruption and “sin” (whether in an actual religious or secular sense) when it crosses said boundaries.
  3. This holds true even when objective, demonstrable harm cannot be shown. The point is, it “harms” the sensibilities of a culture that has a very specific role for youths under a certain age to fill in society, and all forms of self-determination, expression, and agency are off the table… unless adults approve and are not offended by it.
  4. Now that vanilla homosexuality and gender-bending are definitively off the table to fill the “moral corruption angst” that our culture has picked, something had to fill that void. And the mainstream LGBTQ community jumped on that bandwagon too as part of its assimilationist agenda, the latter of which required a new boogeyman to divert scorn and attention away from them: “Hey look, not only can we choose lifestyles that mirror your own, but we can even hate exactly what you hate, just so long as you hate a form of love other than ours. Nothing brings disparate communities together more than a popular moral bandwagon to jump on!”

Dissy

What you have said I feel is not much of a direct answer, but in a nut shell for the ppl who might not have understood what you have said due to their low iq (hypothetically of course) should we as a society continue to increase taxes to pay for ppl who can’t work or have not been allowed to work because of their sex offender label and just keep throwing a welfare check at the problem or does society need to change its attitude towards ppl like the guy I have pointed out in my video and even better change its attitude towards ppl who are sexally attracted to minors?

Yes, society should change its attitude. We have been striving to get society to do that for decades now. When the MAP resistance first started during the 1970s, in an era politically much different than today, it looked like we would have a lot of help going forward. But then the moral panics of the 1980s struck, society switched conservative, and we lost all support, including from what we today call the LGBTQ community, who abandoned us to keep moving forward themselves. This has made for a very lengthy, very uphill battle. We’re still trying, and we have our share of “normie” allies who are trying and paying a heavy price for it. The research is out there, and we can direct others to it, but in most places online attempts to do this are met with such posts being deleted and people who put them up getting banned from the forum.

So, what you said was not unreasonable, and we’re working on it, but we must also anticipate that this may take a long time before it happens. This means we also need to address what to do in the meantime. There is a difference between long-term fixes and short-term Band-Aids.

Now, not that I want to get into an argument of conservative vs. socialist politics regarding economics again, but I would like to point this out: I would not suggest increasing taxes to “throw a welfare check” at the issue; or, more specifically, a UBI (Universal Basic Income). Instead, as a short-term Band-Aid we can stop throwing vast amounts of money into the military and put that into a public fund and we insist that wealthy corporations contribute more to the public fund than stock buybacks for themselves that contribute nothing to society. There are other ways to do this than raising taxes for the average person.

Based Alan Dershowitz on the harm of a blanket age of consent!

https://x.com/AlanDersh/status/1938766702554005893

Incredible new video has dropped, where Karl Andersson gives a breakdown of his history in journalism and magazine publishing.

For anyone who doesn’t know, Karl is famous for publishing Destroyer magazine, taking it’s name from Camille Paglia’s book chapter “The Beautiful Boy, the Destroyer.” More recently, he has published Impossibly Cute Boys (2024). The book represents what would have been Karl’s PhD thesis were he not expelled, an unprecedented decision from the UK’s University of Manchester after his research was scandalized on social media and became international news…

“The Masturbation Article Affair” was detailed by retired manga studies professor Dr. Casey Brienza. Now, at the end of this most recent Youtube video from Karl, he announces the publication of his latest book Real Journalism: Self-Published Writings on Sexual Politics, History and Culture (April, 2025). As he puts it:

Real Journalism contains 57 articles from these obscure and hard-to-get magazines, originally published between 2006 and 2017. For the first time, a larger audience can see for themselves what all the fuss was about.

Is there a correlation between MAPness and Transness? In the backlash to Trans people currently booming online, people seem to think so…

What do people here think?

Decades overdue since 1990s soccer kids’ t-shirts with saucy slogan: “Next to SeX – I like Man U. best!” (Other teams and sports are available).

Now we need Global game-changing multi-million selling online/in-stores AAM tee-hee shirts, hats, sox, pants, with HOT mottos: “My Mind My Body My Choice My MAP – Mind Ur Own!” “Sport for All – SeX for All”.

Register them now Tom, “2025 HTOC-PUP World Rights reserved”.

Hi, Prue. First, please allow me to address the reason behind the Trans backlash you mentioned. This will be long enough, so this is going to be my sole post here for today. As for your main question, I’ll address that as a separate post tomorrow or the next day.

You can thank the liberals/SJWs for the backlash against Trans people you now see in some WEIRD countries, particularly the United States. For the past ten years, the liberals pushed a very strong agenda which instead of simply asking to respect the legal rights and personal dignity of Trans people and accept them as human beings, they instead tried heavily pushing the lifestyle and imagery, including efforts to push “trans” and “non-binary” ideology on elementary school kids, whom I respect as full people but who are nevertheless captive audiences to authoritarian adult figures and at the mercy of not only the curricula they impose, but also their socio-political ideology. Autistic people of all ages were particularly hit hard by this push, with estimates of almost 30% of young people claiming to identify as “trans” or “non-binary” as of 2022.

Not only that, but along with white people, males, and heterosexuality being openly and brazenly demonized by SJWs was the idea of cis-genderism, insisting that biological sex was a social construct and all of us were on a “spectrum”.

This ideology also pervaded every aspect of the entertainment industry, with comic book companies and even many publishers of prose books hiring numerous trans or non-binary people of liberal ideology (those who did not espouse this mindset were not hired) simply because they were trans or non-binary and carrying that specific agenda, and regardless of talent. Many of them routinely attacked cis-gendered and heterosexual fans on social media, causing a huge issue for these industries.

This attitude also infiltrated the world of advertising, with Anheuser-Busch infamously hiring trans TikTok influencer Dylan Mulvaney to push that agenda for their traditionally cis-hetero-male-centric beer products. This was because the execs, like the publishing companies and their parent corporations such as Disney and Warner Bros-Discovery, were bullied into accepting DEI requirements by multi-billion dollar companies like BlackRock and Vanguard so they would continue having access to the invaluable credit these companies offered. That went as badly as you might expect, and when the company’s campaign proved seriously unpopular and financially costly, the execs then turned on Mulvaney. Many questioned whether she was genuinely “Trans” or trend-influenced, because the latter was a quick way to popularity in the liberal-dominated social media landscape between 2016 and around 2023.

Former Bud Light executive blames Dylan Mulvaney, DEI for company’s downfall

Not only that, but drag queens were being invited to have book readings and dance performances in elementary schools to push this agenda further.

Also pervaded was the medical industry, with many of this ideology in the field pushing “gender affirming” policies for middle and high school youths. This meant that the decades-old medical protocols that people were required to fulfill in order to get medically objective valuation from doctors and therapists to use pharmaceutical products to influence the development of their biologically based secondary sex characteristics and surgical procedures to alter genitalia to more resemble the anatomy of the gender the person identified with, was no longer in effect. Hence, doctors and therapists were pressured into simply taking a young person’s word for it without any objective medical or therapeutic scrutiny, and anyone protesting this were accused of being “transphobic”.

Hence, these youths were unquestioningly prescribed risky, experimental, and non-reversible puberty blocking drugs along with allowing gender-reassigning surgery without fully assessing whether a genuine case of gender dysphoria was present. These procedures are all by definition experimental in people who are biologically young for a variety of reasons. Moreover, many who wanted to identify as “non-binary” were having surgical procedures done to remove any overt characteristics of either gender, with several having their nipples removed and showing this off on videos uploaded all over TikTok.

Youths and autistic people, displaying a record degree of emotional issues and problems with identity due to the manifold problems presented by the economic breakdown of WEIRD societies,were heavily influenced via social pressure and emotionally persuasive liberal ideology to presume their confusion over identity and other emotional or intellectual issues were due to being assigned the “wrong” sex at birth and thus adopting a “trans” or “non-binary” identity, often suddenly and unexpectedly.

This also resulted in numerous biologically male athletes being allowed to perform on women’s teams in sports, biological men who identified as women being unquestionably allowed into women’s bathrooms and dressing rooms, and biological male criminals claiming to identify as women being placed into women’s prisons (many instances of sexual assault and even impregnation of biologically female inmates were reported as a result, including from a female friend of mine who had been incarcerated for two years with such female-identifying men). Kamala Harris, during her ill-fated run as the DEI plant of the Democrats, also vowed if elected to spend billions of dollars to provide biologically male prisoners who identify as women with gender-reaffirming surgery while still incarcerated.

This also set up conflicts between members of the vanilla gay community and the trans community, who were now always expected to share space in political circles due to the ideology of “intersectionality” and being combined in the Acronym Alphabet. Many of the former did not agree that their needs and experiences fully coincided with that of the trans folks, whom many felt had distinct needs and experiences. Moreover, many cis-gendered lesbians felt pressured into accepting biologically males identifying as women as romantic partners. The same was true in many cases with straight cis-gendered men, as we were expected to consider them real women in an intrinsic, biological sense and ignore their blatantly male anatomy.

This was pushed to the point where restaurant chains traditionally catering to male heterosexual tastes like Hooter’s were pressured into accepting very obvious trans men as waitresses and the predominantly heterosexual male patrons were expected to act as if they were as “hot” as their biologically female co-workers.

And need I get into the nightmare of the pronoun phenomena? Where we were all expected to memorize numerous pronouns that non-binary folks chose for themselves, with new ones popping up all the time (xir, they, sh/he, etc) and to always make it clear which gender one identified as in their social media profiles. Some WEIRD nations enforced this heavily, including via legal penalties if one didn’t adhere to acknowledging this in corporate or university environments, or even on social media (I believe Canada was one of them).

Partly but largely as a result of this pushy liberal agenda, huge numbers of Americans voted against the Democrats, resulting in a landslide Republican victory and a second Trump administration. While many applauded him promptly doing away with DEI policies, as one may have expected many in the far right overreached with this into authentic instances of transphobia. That is wrong, but so was what the liberals did, because their agenda of pushing transgenderism and non-binary concepts up our noses and down our throats potentially sabotaged the good progressive progress that the trans community had made.in the preceding decades.

I think, in short, this is not so much a backlash against trans people per se as a backlash against the liberal/SJW agenda for reasons outlined above. Many genuine trans people want nothing to do with this agenda, and simply want to be accepted as they are and not misrepresented by liberals and “trendsexuals” posing as real trans people for both social and financial capital.

Thank you, Tom!

Well, Transgender politics provides a great avenue to focus on cultural issues rather than economic ones, and to make “the Left” look crazy. It’s a brilliant topic to sow division, confusion, and a conspiracy “slippery slope” mindset.

The Left, sectarian as always, had to scramble to decide whether to adopt liberal tolerance discourse and Transness as an important issue, and risked being called a “class reductionist” if they avoided the topic.

In broad terms, no one likes being told what to do, especially if the demand appears unreasonable and contrary to your perception of reality. I.e. being expected to call what appears to you as a fat man a “woman.”

TikToks of openly mentally ill people with dyed hair getting riled up or crying about pronouns probably didn’t help… All that does is encourage the haters because they find it funny and entertaining.

The Left projecting an image of shared weakness has done it no favors. There’s now widespread confusion between what Liberal and Leftist means, and a turn to an aesthetic of niceness / kindness which appeals far more to women and liberals than it ever will to men…

(Again, an army of early Vaush’s is needed. You’ll be winning elections before you know it…)

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Some matters of fact related to your comment:

Canada’s Bill C-16 did not in-fact proscribe speech, forcing citizens to use ‘correct’ pronouns or face jail time. That was how Jordan Peterson (wrongly) interpreted it, being catapulted to conservative media stardom off the back of his laudable fears that free speech was being eroded. (Which on social media is arguably an accurate perception of reality).

Trans surgeries on minors are extremely rare. It’s fear about them that’s widespread. What’s less rare is non surgical intervention: i.e. hormone treatments or puberty blockers.

I looked up about Hooters. Some “pro” articles about happy (conventionally attractive) Trans worker, and some negative or “anti” in the Right-wing press, where non-conventionally attractive Trans was not hired by Hooters and tried to sue the company.

(Obviously, that’s ridiculous. Hooters has a beauty standard. If you don’t meet it, you don’t get hired. Tough shit, that’s capitalism baby! If you can’t make profit for your Master (sorry, “employer”) then don’t expect to be hired!)

Ultimately, yes, liberals and SJWs are cringe. As noble and well-meaning as their pleas for tolerance and kindness may be, you can’t appeal to someone’s better nature if they want you to suffer or go back in the closet, dyed hair and all…

I find it incredible that, while demonising and massacring millions of people simply for liking young people, and denying them any rights, they try to “normalise” transsexuality to such extremes. The world has gone completely mad and there seems to be no turning back.

Interesting i got called a pedo by a guy who thought i was standign up for trans (i actually wasnt)… so then my cusin thought things… i had to say i was standing up for trans . nutters. interstingly, i met atrans person who said i was mint. i said i liked teen girls and sh.. he said thats not as bad as me intersting. ok, i keep saying intersting.

Stephen Ireland, 41, co-founded Pride in Surrey in 2018, “? raped ?” the child at the flat he shared with his then-partner and co-defendant David Sutton, 27, in Addlestone on 19 April 2024 after messaging on Grindr. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2kkrxdpndo

A 12-year-old gay boy registered on Grindr in search of an expression of his sexuality, that the LGBT community does not accept, only allowing them to wave flags. He pretended to be 17 and chatting with an adult at least 27 years old, and despite all the hysteria about the threat of “predators”, he came to the stranger’s flat where they were smoking weed, watching porn and did something sexual.

The article does not mention the circumstances under which the boy told the police about this (perhaps that the boy was detained by a police officer and did not come to the police himself). If they really were scumbags and raped the boy, they certainly deserve punishment, but not 24 years.

>The article does not mention the circumstances under which the boy told the police about this (perhaps that the boy was detained by a police officer and did not come to the police himself). If they really were scumbags and raped the boy, they certainly deserve punishment, but not 24 years.

For decades now the age-apartheid Anglo mass mind-rape fake narrative has RAPED the word ‘Rape’. For centuries rightly meaning vaginal, anal, or oral, FORCED penetration – not mere pleasurable TOUCHING now forcibly distorted as painful TORTURE.

Language is now another victim in the perverse Anglo Fake Media/Legal/Cops grooming Industrial Mafia

Anglo AAMs rightly claiming they were/are aMused not aBused, are now sent for Anglotalitarian re-education grooming (witness tampering), where they are force-fed the Anglo Victorian-Orwellian code, “Black is White, Day is Night, Wrong is Right.”

While unstoppable millions of AAMs Worldwide mock Anglo Victorian-Orwellian fake laws and pleasurably wank over sexy adults in lawful family media pinups and posters.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape

Sean “Diddy” Combs was acquitted of the most serious charges, including sex trafficking and racketeering, but was found guilty of two lesser charges related to transportation for prostitution.

He faces a potential prison sentence of 4 to 5 years, and prosecutors are seeking the maximum of 20 years.

[An update on a huge case…]

Bravo and.kudos to Dissy for not pausing in his delivery to signal either ‘Palestine’ or ‘Palmolive’, shame on Tom for devolving from off-topic to gratuitous writ large.

But i digress already! Here is Richard Hanania, founder of Washington DC thinktank CSPI (Center for Study of Partisanship & Ideology) on that ‘age gap’ or dreadful abyss into which we all must fall but not necesarily in line!

https://www.richardhanania.com/p/hitler-demi-moore-and-other-pedophiles

This Right-wing guy you’ve cited, Richard Hanania, is a great writer. That’s not surprising, with a PhD from UCLA and years of writings under his belt.

I’ve read this piece before, and it’s very thought provoking and well-written. Instead of just raging out and joining the mob of conservative moral panic, he rises above it all to actually make arguments! An educated conservative who doesn’t just fall in line: that’s probably why he doesn’t get invited on Fox News anymore…

Looking at his Wiki page, it appears his own political journey has led him to renounce and despise his past self. His racism came from problems in his life, he says. He now regrets his support for Trump and MAGA.

Whether he actually does regret his past actions, I have no idea. I don’t know what I’d do if I spent years writing stuff I later claimed to disagree with; srub it from existence or just move on?

What I do know, is that he writes well and cogently on the issue of “pedophilia,” which seems to be a bugbear and sticking point for him.

His latest post on Substack, for example, quotes a book passage talking about Abraham Lincoln kissing an 11-year-old girl, with Hanania mocking how the Right and Left would freak out and dub him a “pedophile.”

Will have to do a Newgon page for Hanania, and make sure he’s included on the page for the political Right.

yes i have been following RH since back before Twitter got X’d. I’m not sure I ‘follow’ his expressed outrage this year at certain Trumpoid moves, however, nor have i ever perceived in heem the fruit of “racism”(I seem to be lacking that particular antenna?) I see that he’s just linked to his Abe Lincoln thing on X now, and that he’s purchased a Switch 2 so he can play Donkey Kong in 3D. The wonder.of it all for me-kins is how much he resembles Marcel Marçeau in new profile pic?

Let us all be shapeshifters at large. Infiltration of discursive infrastructure s the only practice worth practising!

infra-humaning even as we speak,
Turp

Clint eastwood kissed an 11 year old. See video ‘old enough for kisses’. Reactions,hilarious !

I don’t see it as normal for a man to be sexually attracted to another man. The only normal thing is that he is attracted to children and teenagers or women, but not to other hairy and ugly men. The model to follow is that of Classical Greece, not that of the LGBTIQ+ movement. In Classical Greece they accepted paedophiles, but they would have kicked the Gay Pride people out of town.

>I don’t see it as normal for a man to be sexually attracted to another man.

Paraphrase rightly relaxed ex-HOT Loli Jodie Foster, “Being LGBTQ or MAP is like being left-handed, most people aren’t but some people are.”

Meanwhile in plain sight most minors are AAMs HOT for sexy adults, or why would millions LUST over HOT adult stars also in sexy Pinups & Posters Worldwide not (yet) Anglo criminalized as GROOMING porn?

I don’t even understand why some people don’t see children and teenagers as beautiful. There is nothing more beautiful and pleasing in the world, and their beauty tells me that being attracted to them cannot be “abnormal” or wrong. If nature made young boys so beautiful, it was because it wanted men to admire and love them, and that is why there are so many paedophiles, because being a paedophile is natural and proper to male sexuality. Rather than being left-handed, I think being a paedophile is being sighted in a world full of blind people.

>If nature made young boys so beautiful, it was because it wanted men to admire and love them, and that is why there are so many paedophiles

Don’t be biased and forget the many wimmin MAPs who like young boys and girls.

I think you are so confused that you are conflating normality (prevalence) with some sort of moral obligation. Suppressing desire and even sexual practices is not natural either. While being strongly attracted to one’s own sex is not prevalent in the general population, many men experience some degree of attraction to the same sex.

What is “ugly” supposed to mean? It’s kind of tautological to say that people don’t find “ugly” people attractive. You may not see it as normal, but some men do have a strong attraction to males with lots of body hair. I’ve met one such gay man, so I know it’s possible. Might not be common, but it’s possible.

The suggestion that MAPs can reach a state of acceptance by joining in with LGBTQ bashing, seems false on the face of it imo. Extremely unlikely to make any difference to MAPs, and’ll probably make things worse if hating on others’ for the sexuality is further normalized… After all, the currently burgeoning hatred of the LGBTQ is in no small part because Trans people are being accused of being secret ‘pedophiles’ and ‘predators’. I don’t see how joining the pile on would be helpful to MAPs.

Sure, fuck the LGBTQ who participate in pedo bashing, joining the mob to save themselves. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t all be proud of who were are, including those who celebrate gay pride. We cannot go back to ancient Greek society or lift its culture to the modern world. Slavery was common in their time, boys were often slaves, ‘democracy’ only involved men and property owners for the most part, and sex/gender roles were strictly demarcated. You’ll still have to fight to change mass culture, and going towards more acceptance and relaxed attitudes seems the way to go to me.

There is nothing to thank the LGBTQI+ movement for, they have never done anything in favour of boylovers, quite the opposite, from their expulsion from ILGA in 1994 to their complicit silence in the face of the numerous injustices, violence and repression suffered by boylovers and girllovers. Moreover, personally, I feel that I have nothing to do with gays, just as I have nothing to do with transsexuals or hermaphrodites. I have never spoken of hating them, but I don’t think we should support them either. When faced with the banning of the Hungarian Gay Pride march, for example, I feel absolute indifference. They also banned boylovers from participating in Gay Pride, so it makes absolutely no difference to me whether they are now banned from marching in Hungary or in any other country.

Not so much “silence in the face of”, they explicitly turned on so-called “pedophile groups” and wilfully ignored anything related to them. This was a process that began around the early 80s, and there was always a sizeable constituency of gay gatekeepers who would be happy to put distance between themselves and other less desirable groups.

They in fact did show this tendency towards transgender and s/m queers, but one topic, ours, eventually became the most repulsive in the face of political attacks and defunding from the right.

I recently spoke here about the book “Mi primera vez”, published in Spain in 2003, which narrates in first person the first time of 100 homosexuals. Many of the stories told in the book occurred when the protagonists were minors, very young teenagers and even children, and in many cases the relationships were with adults. These are, of course, consensual relationships. Well, after talking about the book here I realised that one of its authors, Jesús Generelo, was president of the FELGTBI+ (Federación Estatal de Lesbianas, Gays, Trans, Trans, Bisexuales, Intersexuales y más) of Spain between 2015 and 2018. It should be remembered that, in 2015, the conservatives of the Popular Party raised the age of consent in Spain from 13 to 16, which has led to many people being unjustly arrested and imprisoned for having consensual relationships with minors under the age of 16, relationships that until 2015 were legal and occurred without any negative consequences for the minors who desired and consented to them. Well, all gay rights associations in Spain, including the FELGTB+, remained completely silent during the farcical debate (farcical because neither paedophiles nor, of course, the minors themselves were given a voice) prior to the 2015 legislative change. Also Jesús Generelo, who as co-author of “Mi primera vez” must necessarily have known how unfair the law change was and how much suffering it was going to generate in many homosexuals, both adults and minors.

https://www.amazon.com/Mi-primera-vez-historias-erotismo/dp/8479489626

Seems like a rare book from a while ago, but would make for a great translation/digitization project.

Nowadays, some proofreading plus AI / auto translate tools, would make this a relatively simple affair.

A library / university library would be able to get a copy on InterLibrary Loan very cheaply, so for anyone who’s out to make history available to the masses, add this one to your list :p

David Thorsdag – critique of LGBT

The ascendancy of LGBT represented several things:

1) All talk of sex was eliminated. A struggle for sexual freedom was replaced by a quest for mere “equality.” “We are family” became the mantra. “We’re just like you.”

2) The LGBT agenda pursued assimilation, patriotism, and conventionality: aping of the failing hetero institution of marriage; enthusiastic participation in the imperialist military; passage of hate-crimes laws that strengthened the police state and punished thoughts and intent.

3) A struggle for social justice and against capitalist injustice was replaced by a parochial focus on identity.

4) It had the effect of erasing gay males in favor of a diluted hodgepodge of identities.

5) It became a new interest group and electoral constituency oriented mostly toward the Democrat Party and assimilation into the capitalist system. Not being beholden to any democratic base, it was easily, and willingly, co-opted by the ruling class.

6) It became part of the imperialist project, used by the State Department under Democrat regimes to bludgeon third-world countries into acquiescing to the Western agenda, even where the notion of “LGBT” was alien to their cultures. The government spent millions to advance this “gay imperialism” under the guise of supporting “human rights.”

The morphing of gay liberation into LGBTQetc. reflects at once a growing social acceptance of nonhetero lifestyles and a retreat from a struggle to liberate the repressed sexuality of everyone in favor of accommodation with the heterodominant, capitalist system. It downplays issues of social justice in favor of seeking rights for identities acceptable to the dominant society. It elevates political expediency and opportunism over scientific and historical accuracy. It represents the triumph of conventionality, conformism, and conservatism over ambiguity, creativity, and radical individuality. It is a form of Newspeak in the service of ideological rigidity and the status quo.
An alternative approach might involve a coalition around a specific shared goal of everyone who agrees with it, including straights. But it’s probably too late for that. If LGBTQ is here to stay, we’re not any better off for it.

Excellent and very sharp analysis by David Thorstad. I read his book The early homosexual rights movement (1864-1935) some time ago, and I liked it very much.

I got told i needed psychological help for standing up for a 10 year age gap and told ‘its not normal’ by one of those rainbow hypocrites. Sorry but i will happily bash this movement . Gay maps i wont judge of course. Im rather frustrated that they got away with saying that but unfortunately on facebook i wouldbe considerrf the badguy.

The Canadian academic Hannah Dyer gets a bad rap online for her article “Queer futurity and childhood innocence: Beyond the injury of development.”

In it, she states that “Applying queer methods of analysis to studies of childhood can help to queer the rhetoric of innocence that constrains all children.”

This has been perceived by James Lindsay, and therefore many conservatives and normies he serves to enter into the radicalization pipeline, as evidence of academia’s dangerous plot to “normalize the Ps”.

Of course nothing could be further from the truth, it’s just that ‘the evidence’ and a modicum of critical thinking leads to heretical conclusions. I’ve not read Hannah’s article, but notice she’s also got a book along the same lines, The Queer Aesthetics of Childhood: Asymmetries of Innocence and the Cultural Politics of Child Development (2020, Rutgers University Press).

Perhaps some here’ll be interested in her work.

which perhaps flatteringly exaggerates her influence.

Massively exaggerates her influence.

Academia and academics in general, have far less influence than the political Right makes out. Lawyers probably have more power and influence than your average academic. So too do influencers and media commentators.

It’s all about niches and spheres of influence…

This has been perceived by James Lindsay, and therefore many conservatives and normies he serves to enter into the radicalization pipeline, as evidence of academia’s dangerous plot to “normalize the Ps”.

This is not a plot, but a gradual accumulation of objective data that will sooner or later reach a critical mass and will no longer be possible to ignore.

Despite decades of denial, we know about Galileo and his rightness, he could not be erased from history. And the names of Tom and other researchers are also inscribed in the origins of the eMAPcipation, which will also be studied in universities, along with the emancipation of blacks, women and homosexuals

Don’t insult the intelligence of street-smart AAMs like lil Johnny.

“I fucked one and Tim bucked two.”

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2113135392542840

facebook clearly isnt safe to talk on as i have friends on there. in reality i only know a handful of people who arent antiMAP, so to speak. but everytime i see the N word (of course the other N word is now considered bad) i fume and need to say something. was following a 16 year old model though and this nutter kept spewing hate. i did give him hate back… ive just been called a pedo on facebook. by someone who thought i was supporting trans people…. weird. im currently on twitter, but im not getting any responses… youtube just shadowbans you. fstube, probably end up like the previous incarnation. rumble? ugh. The worst thing that ever happened was back in 2007 on an imdb message board. was sticking up for Traci Lords career. got told i should have my throat slit in jail. never had anythign as bad since.. but that day i realsied americans are cuckoo

Yeah, posting anonymously is probably the way to go for you…

someone on facebook called me pedo and my cousin noticed it said i could be targeted by vigilantes she also said pedophlia is oen of the most disgusting things in the world. so my cousin is an anti sadly. she might not be to bad if they aer 16-17 though. funnily enough i got called it for the trans thing.. anyway i escaped unscathed. well ive been posting the same stuff for 15 years or more now no point stoppping now.

Does the Quran say that you should hang out with morons on Facebook day after day and thereafter complain because you hear nothing but moronic comments?

Im not hanging out with them,i make comments and then the idiots come after me. But you have to at least try and educate people even if its bad for your health. If we were silent it would be no use. The fact we exist annoys them si much which is great i guess. Anyway im having a break from fb….

Your cousin is indoctrinated and going with the crowd to sound virtuous. Nothing unusual there, Matt. Even if it is disheartening, because we always hope for something better for those in our own social circle. However, they’re just people like everyone else, prone to the same social pressures and have all the same cultural narratives embedded in their heads. And “pedophilia” (define it as you will; it gets broader all the time) is one of the major boogie men of this era, the proverbial modern day dragon that every modern day knight of valor and virtue seeks to hunt down and slay.

Its also sad she said people can be what they want to be thus contradicting herself. well, once i get myself settled if the family disown me i coudnt care less. just like gays used to be,.,,, or people in relationship with black/asian…. my sister didnt say anyhting after i had my computer taken away in 2012, tho. no i didnt get charged, i do look at over 18s. while enjoying my linsey dawn mckenzie page 3s from when she was before 18. funnily enough, shes doing quite fine? so why are people going nuts that if a under 18 shows a nipple they soemhow gonna die? man, in the future they will look back in think what stupidity…

People are always cuckoo when they have been strongly conditioned to hate a certain thing, and to react in a knee-jerk fashion against it. Especially when they have seen the social consequences, and potential financial consequences (loss of job, etc.) if they go against it. Raging about a certain thing and calling out “death to all heretics about this!” then becomes a form of performative obligation that everyone tries to outdo each other with. Whoever hates the most over this, the further up their virtue meter goes. But the fact that so many people are likely supporting that 16-year-old model, albeit quietly and under cover, shows the social dissonance between the natural admiration for the beauty of youth and the strong social imperative to hate it–or at least act like you do.

My worst fears are beginning realized, seemingly day by day. The crackdown on fantasy material is expanding, this time to China(!), somewhere that I’m told is less hysterical when it comes to questions of age and sex.

Apparently, it seems to be a case of fears around corrupting the youth into gayness, than of the age taboo as such.

See Chinese Police Detain Dozens of Writers Over Gay Erotic Online Novels (Vivian Wang, The New York Times, 28th June, 2025).

The graduate student in southern China wrote the romance novel in her spare time, self-publishing it online. In 75 chapters, it followed two male protagonists through a love affair that included, at times, steamy sexual encounters. It earned her less than $400, from readers who paid to access it.

Now, it could bring her a criminal conviction.

Across China, the authorities have been interrogating dozens of writers — many of them young women — who published gay erotic novels online, in what appears to be the largest police roundup of its kind to date.

At least 12 such authors were tried on obscenity charges in Anhui Province late last year, according to court records, and more investigations, including that of the student, were opened in Gansu Province this spring. Some of the writers have been fined heavily or sentenced to years in prison for producing and distributing obscene content.

At the center of the crackdown is Boys’ Love, a genre of romance between men that is mostly written and read online, and mostly by heterosexual women. Originally from Japan, it has developed a fervent niche following in China and other Asian countries since the 1990s, offering fans an alternative to the stereotypes of passive, obedient women and macho men in many mainstream love stories.

Since the news comes from an American newspaper, and not directly from China, it should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Totally agree, Anon.

*beginning to be realized.

Must’ve been waaay too tired when I wrote that one.

A wild study which actually asked pre-pubescent children (in this case females!) for their perspectives at the time: check out Inciardi, J. (1984). “Little girls and sex: A glimpse at the world of the “baby pro”Deviant Behaviour, Volume 5, 1984 – Issue 1-4. Quotes include:

In general, the girls’ attitudes towards participating in prostitution and pornography appeared to be rather cavalier and nonchalant. Many viewed it as a mechanism for “easy money”. Julie stated: “A hand job takes less than two minutes. The old fart is usually already hard when I go in there, and it isn’t long before they shoot their load. Twenty bucks for a two-minute “local” [masturbating a male client] isn’t a bad deal.”

And Laura:

Giving head isn’t the most fun thing I ever did, but it was never scary either. Someone was always there to see that nothing went wrong and so that nobody would hurt me, and then I’d get some nice presents or get taken out somewhere so it was worth it. Now I’m used to it and the spending money is real nice.

just wondering. is it safe posting here? who knows whos watching. alas i have nowhere else to talk. i have been posting the same views for many years now. been a couple of incidents. the robots in 2012, and a couple of violent threats. surely in a free (coughing) country we should be free to discuss??? or are my views to specific. surely im allowed to expose the hypocrisy of jailing minors but not allowing them to do anything ?? ps if anyone is thinking of joining bluesky, dont bother…

Matt

I wouldn’t worry about it the same ppl including the moderator/owner of the site doesn’t have any fears about doing it, so I don’t think you should either

just wondering. is it safe posting here? 

You’ll be fine.

It seems obvious to me that pre-adolescent children feel sexual desire in, at the very least, a qualitatively comparable way to the adult (even if not quantitatively comparable).

But this means that children themselves are massive losers from society because a basic need is being unmet and heavily suppressed. Children’s rights are therefore being fundamentally neglected.

A massive (perhaps intentional?) intellectual blunder in sexual development is that puberty is somehow a magical switching on of the sexual drive. There may be vast chemical changes related to procreative fertility which indeed give a boost to the sexual drive at this time, through testosterone or oestrogen, but the fact remains that the basic sexual drive is, normally and in normal civilisational conditions, already present in the pre-adolescent.

Therefore, the philosophical foundations of the legal offence of ‘statutory rape’ must be dubious indeed – I would be interested to know what philosophers or key legal minds first lay the foundations of a criminal offence in this category (are there parallels in the ancient world? In the Middle Ages? In the early modern period?) Who, in other words, decided that a child was intellectually incapable of engaging in a sexual act.

MAP experts, this is your opportunity to shine!

>It seems obvious to me that pre-adolescent children feel sexual desire in, at the very least, a qualitatively comparable way to the adult (even if not quantitatively comparable).

Noted on HTOC more than once, too often overlooked by too many? It has been obvious since 1996 to scholars that unborn humans are sexually active, self-masturbating in the womb mostly females HOTTER than the male. The hyper-sensitive clitoris has many more pleasure nerves than the comparative blunt-object penis.

Check, 1990s Bold MAP told by a family friend HOT Loli,5, who had been Anglo GROOMED to self-defence Karate and shout ‘NO!’ at any hint of even an unwanted cuddle. But coincidentally clothed and straddling Bold MAP’s HOT Lap in private, HOT Loli began self-humping faster and faster, face beaming with pleasure for a full minute until collapsed and gasping, “THAT was seXy!” “Just a silly game.” blurted fully-squirted Bold MAP.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/14377812_Ultrasonographic_observation_of_a_female_fetus%27_sexual_behavior_in_utero

Children’s rights are therefore being fundamentally neglected.

>Gonna level with you, I’ve never heard anyone seriously give a damn about ‘children’s rights’ beyond obscure academics, charities, and pedophiles. In the US and UK, my impression is that people care that children are going to school, not getting beaten or going hungry. But, their ‘right’ to a sex life is not seriously considered until around 15-years-old at the earliest.

Who, in other words, decided that a child was intellectually incapable of engaging in a sexual act?

On the history of rape law, there’s tons of scholars focusing of ‘sex offences’, and that often includes reform advocates like Dr. Emily Horowitz who have written the history of sex offence law. Estelle Freedman has written the history of rape debate in America, and there’s an influential book amongst scholars by Carolyn Cocca that’s probably more pointed and relevant to MAP issues: Jailbait: The Politics of Statutory Rape Laws in the United States (2004).

Modern MAP history begins in the 1950s and kicks off in the 1970s. Before that, in Germany during the late 19th and early 20th century there was much debate around ‘minors’ (under 21s) that’s close to what we see today. Groups trying to legalize homosexuality by challenging Paragraph 175, with key figures such as Karl Heinrich Ulrichs and Magnus Hirchfeld, also debated issues around what age people should be legally permitted to engage sexually. The MAP ally historian Hubert Kennedy wrote about these figures in detail.
Tons of people have shaped discourse…

Principally, Frits Bernard and Edward Brongersma, and the group Frits founded “Enklave Kring” (meaning Enclave or Enclave Circle in full). I’m thinking this would be the first dedicated MAP or Pedo organization in history, at least with an overtly “pro-pedophile” bent as distinct from the historic dominance of pederasty in homophile groups.

There’s also the NVSH which was founded in 1946, but I am not sure when their “pedophilia workgroup” was formed, and most activity to do with MAPs seems to have taken place in the 70s or later, with their “children’s liberation” group founded in the 1980s for example. Again, modern MAP discourse kicks off in a big way during the 1970s.

Pedophile advocacy groups (alternatively spelled paedophile advocacy groups) are organizations that advocate for the abolition or lowering of the age of consent and the normalization of adult sexual relations with children.[1][2] Such groups have existed dating back to 1962 in multiple countries including the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Norway, Germany and the Netherlands. In the 20th century, many pro-pedophile groups were founded during the Sexual Revolution.[3] In the United States, pro-pedophile groups such as the Rene Guyon Society have existed since the 1960s. In Britain, the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), led by Tom O’Carroll, has operated from 1974 to 1984 and openly collaborated with other political organizations such as the Albany Trust and the NCCL. In France, many intellectuals sought to lower the age of consent during the 1970s. The Netherlands was once seen as one of the main centers of pedophile activism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile_advocacy_groups

I don’t want to downgrade Tom’s importance, but there’s a distorted over-focusing on him as someone who “led” PIE, when in reality PIE had been led by Kieth Hose before he joined. As I understand it, Tom was inspired by him and worked with him closely. Tom may be the most persistently public facing member of PIE, so it’s understandable that the media focuses on him, but it’s not historically accurate.

PIE had an executive committee. Lots of other people played dedicated roles, and their contributions should not be obscured.

>MAP experts, this is your opportunity to shine!

For 13 yrs since 2012 HTOC has been the place for MAP and AAM experts to shine.

Let’s hear much more for the millions of shining AAMs unseen in plain-sight.

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