Be warned, this one is a blockbuster: just one main blog item, considerably longer than usual and it will help a lot if you put your thinking cap on and take it at a gentle pace. Actually, the ideas involved are fundamentally quite simple but you will need to pay attention if most of this stuff is new to you. What’s it about? It’s a reflection on the work of Robert Trivers, a pioneer of evolutionary psychology who died recently. It’s a discipline often dismissed by Foucault fans (of whom I am one) on what I believe are misconceived grounds. What follows is my attempt to describe Trivers’ main theoretical insights and share my enthusiasm for them.
The significance for MAPs is not my main focus but it certainly exists because the work is fundamental to sexuality in general. It would be great to have some feedback on your thoughts about this. In general, Heretic TOC is fortunate to routinely attract comments running into three figures, many of which are of high quality and do a wonderful job in keeping us up to date with new research and MAP news. On this occasion, though, I would make a plea for more comments about the actual blog itself. Don’t be afraid to argue with me. I want to learn from dialogue with you all.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Robert Trivers, whose reflections on the origins and basis of human psychology – including sexual motivation – dug deeper than even those of Darwin or Freud, was a bit of an asshole.
Trivers, who died last month, was arrogant, boorish, unreliable, unpredictable, in thrall to wild excess, and even downright thuggish. As a leading columnist told us,
His bizarre memoir Wild Life is not the place to turn to in order to learn of his brilliant ideas. It is mainly the story of his arrests, of his friends being murdered, of him being involved in knife fights, of getting an ice pick stabbed through his hand in a nightclub and of the various moments when his cocaine or marijuana stash was fortuitously missed by suspicious police officers… He loved the murderous African-American criminal Huey Newton and joined his thuggish Black Panthers. Most recently, he has been revealed as (of course) a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein. – Daniel Finkelstein, The Times, 25 March 2026
Ah. Yes. Epstein. Well, as readers of my previous blog will know, there are things to be said in Jeffrey’s favour. But Danny, bless him, aka @Dannythefink, perceptive and good-hearted man though he undoubtedly is, cannot be right about everything. He is, after all, Lord Finkelstein, a Conservative peer.
Moving swiftly on, the eminent psychologist Steven Pinker has pointed out in Quillette that Trivers’ early scientific work included researching lizards in Jamaica. He stayed for many years, in a life of boozing, brawling and whoring. He married two Jamaican women (not at the same time, but no one would have put it past him) and said he found the girls there so hot he needed no other reason to be on the island.

But we have another reason to think about him. As Pinker reminds us, Trivers the scientist has given us insights that are quite simple once they are explained, but eluded great minds for ages. In a brief creative burst from 1971 to 1975, he wrote five seminal essays that invoked patterns of genetic overlap to explain each of the major human relationships: male with female, parent with child, sibling with sibling, partner with partner, and individuals with themselves – not in the physical “self-love” or masturbation sense, but in the stories we tell ourselves, especially as regards our capacity for self-deception.
Full disclosure: in what follows I will be using Pinker’s account extensively as a crib sheet. I have no wish to plagiarise, which is a dishonest practice that unfairly takes the credit for another person’s work, passing it off as one’s own. I do the opposite. I pay homage to Pinker, whose clear description invents the wheel, if you will, and I see no reason to reinvent it with my own rickety spokes and rims more hexagonal than circular.
That said, I no not intend to be Pinker’s slavish devotee. Like Finkelstein, Pinker leans to the right, as do a good many enthusiasts for the evolutionary psychology we will be discussing. It cannot be stated too strongly, though, that there is nothing intrinsically right-wing about the science in question. How could that be the case when, as will be seen, Trivers explores the deep origins of our ability to cooperate with each other, not just ruthlessly compete, as in winner-takes-all capitalism? How could evolutionary psychology be intrinsically right-wing given that it reveals our sense of fairness and justice is based on a firm foundation, and also grounds our profound belief that equality is a key concept (as with socialism) underpinning these ethical perceptions?
In the wake of Foucault, social constructivist thought on the Left has rightly tended to be sceptical of science, dismissing its claims to objectivity as bogus and noting its suspicious corruption in the service of paymasters that include the Military Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, and the now global Child Protection Racket. Nevertheless, it would be foolish and futile to deny that science can be hugely impressive – often difficult to harness safely, admittedly, as with nuclear power or AI, but that is testimony to its reality and potency. It means that if you study chemistry and biology in school you will genuinely be starting to learn how stuff actually works. It’s not just bullshit – which is more than can be said for a lot of what passes as postmodern scholarship these days.
The influence of Trivers’ work on science was vast. His ideas took pride of place in E O Wilson’s Sociobiology in 1975, Richard Dawkins’ The Selfish Gene in 1976, and many other landmark contributions in the next three decades such as Robert Wright’s The Moral Animal (1994) and Pinker’s own The Blank Slate in 2002. The implications for everyone were immense, as Pinker says:
The insight that partial genetic overlap among individuals leads to both confluences and conflicts of interests explains why human life is so intricate – why we love, and bicker with those we love; why we depend on one another, and mistrust those we depend on; why our emotions are powered by moral themes and not just physical threats; why deluded people are certain of their convictions and evil ones convinced of their rectitude.
The ground for Trivers’s revolution had been laid in the 1960s by George Williams and William Hamilton, who focused on the key fact that natural selection is driven by competition among “replicators” (i.e. the basic units of evolution, called “genes” in biology, although other kinds of self-replication are possible, notably “memes” – a term coined by Dawkins – which are culture’s way of making things “go viral”). This implies that the beneficiary of evolutionary adaptations is not the group or even the individual, but the gene. Hamilton drew out an implication: genes can perpetuate themselves by nurturing not only offspring but siblings and other kin, since any genes that benefit a blood relative would, with a certain probability, benefit copies of themselves in the bodies of those relatives.
Trivers’s innovation was to show how the partial overlap of genetic interests between individuals should put them in a partial conflict of psychological interest. The key resource is parental investment: the time, energy, and risk devoted to the “fitness” of a child. Pinker uses this word without any quote marks or explanation, which may lead readers unfamiliar with the technical use of the term to think he is talking about our physical condition, as in “he is as fit as a fiddle” or “fit as a gym bunny”. But what biologists mean is much more inclusive. Yes, it’s about being in good shape, but it’s also about being smart; it’s about your chances of surviving into adulthood with a good chance of having your own children, thereby passing your genes into the next generation. He is talking about the survival of genes over thousands of generations, from when we were all hunter-gatherers, living a very different lifestyle to now, in what is sometimes called “the ancestral environment”. Known to evolutionary psychology more technically as the Environment of Evolutionary Adaptedness (EEA) this was the environment that shaped our brain and the psychological inclinations and desires it harboured, including our feelings about mating, parenting, and social relationships.
It may also seem odd or even obnoxious to use the term “investment”, as though parenting were a capitalist enterprise rather than a labour of love. This sort of language has unfortunately misled many of us gentle, kind, herbivorous lefties into supposing the psychologists who use it must be callous swine in white coats who cold-bloodedly see the whole of humanity as merely self-serving and ruthless. Even Dawkins’ provocative title The Selfish Gene inadvertently took us quite a way down that road, which he later regretted, along with other aspects of his eloquently arresting style. Ironically, he wrote too well for his own good!
Nevertheless, the concept of parental investment is a truly powerful and necessary one for anyone who wants to understand why we are as we are. What follows, based on Pinker’s summary of Trivers’ foundational work might seem far-fetched and (if you are versed in the standard objections) “reductionist” or “essentialist”, or “genetically determinist”, but my advice is don’t knock it before you really understand it. The name may be Trivers, folks, but he ain’t trivial, and his understanding ain’t superficial, so listen up and listen good. Pinker again:
Parents have to apportion their investment across all their children, each equally valuable (all else the same). But although parents share half their genes with each child, the child shares all its genes with itself, so its interest in its own welfare will exceed that of its parents. What the parent tacitly wants – half half for Jack, half for Jill – is not what Jack and Jill each want: two thirds for the self, one third for the sib. Trivers called the predicament parent-offspring conflict. Its corollary is sibling-sibling conflict: every offspring has an interest in its siblings’ welfare, since it shares half its genes with the sib, but that interest is outweighed by the twofold genetic interest it has in itself.
Jill may not even exist yet for Jack and his parents to differ over her welfare. Baby Jack may want to suck his mother dry, while Mom wants to keep part of herself in reserve for unborn Jill and other future offspring. The conflict is waged throughout the lifespan: in ailments of pregnancy (like pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes), postpartum depression, infanticide, cuteness, weaning, brattiness, tantrums, rebelliousness, sibling rivalry, and struggles over parental attention, support, and inheritance.
Not that toddlers are ever consciously battling on behalf of their own genes, of course, and especially not in the mathematically exact and calculated way that Pinker’s words might suggest. Rather, it makes more sense to think of these calculations as the scientists’ way of bringing precision to bear on what drives us unconsciously, by instinct.
It may help to consider sibling rivalry for a moment, which Pinker mentions above. Unlike parental investment, this is a scientific concept that is also familiar in everyday language and life. Unless we are an only child, most of us will have experienced it directly with our own brothers or sisters. Often it can be quite extreme, leading to bitter and toxic quarrels in childhood, sometimes leading to a lifetime of enmity and resentment, especially when there is much at stake in rich and powerful dynasties, fighting over who will inherit the crown or the business empire. Such has been the stuff of legend from the Bible’s Cain and Abel, or Isaac and Ishmael, to Game of Thrones and Succession in our own day.

My older Big Brother and I were too far apart in age (six years) for intense rivalry in childhood. He was so clever, sophisticated, strong, and athletic there was just no contest. He was awesome to me and my parents alike. I hero-worshipped him. If there were to be a battle between us over who was more worthy of parental investment in our future, he should have won hands down.
Except it wasn’t that simple. Bro was actually quite jealous (as he confessed to me decades later) because I somehow stole a lot of parental attention. Part of it was inevitable of course. I can claim no personal merit whatever in being younger and smaller, which automatically made me cuddlier and cuter! But additionally, unlike my slightly too self-assured and rebellious brother, I was also pleasantly “low maintenance” for Mum and Dad. Bro must have been heartily sick and tired of hearing how I was no trouble at all, a Little Angel! Looking back, there must have been times when he could cheerfully have murdered me. Well, thanks, Bro, for not yielding to that temptation! Until he died a few years ago we remained in wary but amicable correspondence with each other, and he will always be my hero.
What we had each managed in childhood was to win parental investment through different self-marketing strategies: Bro’s fitness in evolutionary terms was never in any doubt. He was an Alpha male all the way. So instead of trying to compete by being fitter in the crude understanding of the “survival of the fittest” – tough, and dominant – I found myself slotting smoothly into a different evolutionary niche, that of a useful, well functioning, Beta male. Rather than making my mark as a leader, I would be the “nice” sibling, adorable as a kid and seen by Mum and Dad as a gentle and cooperative child, and also one with a viable future. They could be confident I would become a reliable worker, the sort of loyal team player employers are keen on. Fit, as it were, for survival in the workplace.
Or if I were to be any sort of leader it would be in some sort of “caring” occupation, or a quietly scholarly role – I was always “bookish” enough to suggest that possibility. Mum often called me “my little professor”, and once she told me she thought I might become a missionary, taking Christianity to the empire Britain still had in those days, perhaps even becoming a bishop! She also thought I would make a good husband and father one day. Plenty of girls would love a “steady earner” – a nice, regular guy who would stick around though thick and thin and be great with the kids. Genetic mission accomplished!
Well, things don’t always go to plan, do they? A key take-away is that just as weather forecasts these days are based on scientific observations and modelling but are still not entirely reliable, neither are predictions about people. There are just too many variables, including random unknowns. Our futures are not determined by our genes, only influenced by them. This doesn’t mean evolutionary psychology is useless bollocks. We would be foolish to ignore its insights, just as no wise mariner would ignore a storm warning.
Parental investment, Trivers explained, is also implicated in the battle of the sexes. When Darwin introduced the concept of sexual selection, he observed that in most species, males compete and females choose, but he had no idea why. Trivers explained the contrast by noting that in most species the minimal parental investments of males and females differ. Pinker again:
Males can get away with a few seconds of copulation; females are on the hook for metabolically expensive egg-laying or pregnancy, and in mammals for years of nursing. The difference translates into differences in their ultimate evolutionary interests: males, but not females, can multiply their reproductive output with multiple partners. Darwin’s contrast can then be explained by simple market forces. And in species where the males invest more than the minimum (by feeding, protecting, or teaching their offspring), males are more vulnerable than females to infidelity (since they may be investing in another male’s child) and females are more vulnerable to desertion (since they may bear the costs of rearing their mutual offspring alone).
In another landmark, Trivers turned to relations among people who are not bound by blood. No one doubts that humans, more than any other species, make sacrifices for non-relatives. But Trivers recoiled from the romantic notion that people are by nature indiscriminately communal and generous. It’s not true to life, he thought, nor is it expected. Instead, he noted, nature provides opportunities for a more discerning form of altruism, in which there is an exchange of benefits. One animal can help another by grooming, feeding, protecting, or supporting them, and is helped in turn when the need arises. Everybody wins.
Trivers called it reciprocal altruism, and noted that it can evolve only in a narrow envelope of circumstances. That is because it is vulnerable to cheaters who accept favours without returning them. The altruistic parties must recognise each other, interact repeatedly, be in a position to confer a large benefit on others at a small cost to themselves, keep a memory of favours offered or denied, and be impelled to reciprocate accordingly. Reciprocal altruism can evolve because cooperators do better than no-cooperators. They enjoy the gains of trading surpluses of food, pulling ticks out of one another’s hair, saving each other from drowning or starvation, and babysitting each other’s children. Reciprocators can also do better over the long run than the cheaters who take favours without returning them, because the reciprocators will come to recognise the cheaters and shun or punish them.
Reciprocal altruists must be equipped with enough brain power to recognise and remember individuals and what they have done. That helps explain why Homo sapiens, the most social species, is also the smartest one; human intelligence evolved to deal with people, not just predators and tools. We must also be equipped with moral feelings that implement the tit-for-tat strategy necessary to stabilise cooperation. Sympathy and trust prompt people to extend the first favour. Gratitude and loyalty prompt them to repay favours. Guilt and shame deter them from hurting or failing to repay others. Anger and contempt prompt them to avoid or punish cheaters.
Language has played a distinctive and critical role in this reciprocal altruism. Because we are language users, any tendency of an individual to deal fairly or cheat, lavish or stint, will quickly become known to others. Quite literally, word will soon get around about their reputation. And because our reputation affects our ability to secure favours (it is all about our credibility and “credit rating”, stretching from our buddies to our bankers) it will be in our interests to have a good reputation. Most of us find the easiest way to do that is to pay our bills and buy our round at the pub without trying to wriggle out of such obligations at every opportunity.
But that’s not the end of the story. The most profound aspect, Trivers’ greatest discovery, is where he goes next. We are all familiar with the notion that we sometimes fool ourselves. Self-deception, like sibling rivalry, is a frequent theme in literature, especially the potentially tragic consequences of failing to “know thyself”, as in Shakespeare’s King Lear. What Trivers uniquely added to the story is how self-deception evolved, and how it can work to an individual’s advantage rather than always ending badly. Indeed, unless it conferred some benefits it would be hard to explain why so many humans have become so good at it: if the consequences were always tragic, those who routinely deceived themselves, becoming completely detached from reality, would have been seen as idiots, or crazy. They would never have found sexual partners who wanted to have children with them, and any genes promoting the self-deception trait would have died out.
The best thing of all (from an evolutionary standpoint) would be to get people to help us without returning their assistance, but also without damaging our reputation. So as well as developing a co-operative instinct, we also evolve the capability to deceive other people with lasting success.
This, Trivers realised, led to two further steps in evolution. The first is that we develop strategies for spotting this deception. Second, we develop even more sophisticated methods to ensure our deception evades detection. This escalating arms race between deception and detection culminates in the supreme form of deception. We deceive ourselves.

Danny Finkelstein tells us that Trivers, in his book The Folly of Fools (2011) explains that when we knowingly lie and deceive we often worry about being caught out, and our nervousness gives us away. Other people can see through it. They are watching keenly because they have evolved to watch keenly. So we have evolved, in retaliation, a way to avoid being caught out: we deceive ourselves. Then, a stray glance or a nervous move won’t let us down. If we truly believe we are being honest, we will be able to look others straight in the eye and speak with passion and conviction.
This routinely works brilliantly for the ardent young man with an ’ardon, eager to get a chaste girlfriend’s knickers down. All he needs to do is believe he loves her, he’d die for her, he’ll be hers till the end of time, till the stars cease to shine… That strength of belief comes all too naturally for many guys, even if “the end of time” turns out to be the end of the month, or whenever the first quarrel or inconvenience comes along. If it’s that shallow, of course, reputation will ultimately suffer, but there are plenty of entirely sincere serial Prince Charmings for whom it always works like a charm.
My first encounter with this theme would have been way back in the 1970s when I read The Selfish Gene. Trivers wrote a foreword in which he included a couple of sentences on self-deception. I have no memory of this (Pinker’s article reminded me) and I am sure the significance of a brief few lines would have escaped me at the time.
Much more important to me was the appearance of Wright’s The Moral Animal a couple of decades later, which gives an extensive account of Trivers’ insights, especially how the simple basis of reciprocal altruism (“You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours”) grew into deep moral convictions as to what constitutes fairness and justice, underpinning not just personal exchanges of favours but also much bigger concepts, such as the Golden Rule (“Do as you would be done by”), the Rule of Law, and even the high concept of Human Rights.
When I encountered Wright’s book in the 1990s, it struck me as the most profound non-fiction work I had ever read, beating Darwin, Freud, Marx, you name it, and leaving even great poetry, drama and novels struggling to match its meaning for me. Would I still recommend it today? Absolutely, except for the fact that genetics has taken giant leaps forward in recent times. Trivers’ insights are still valid (just as Darwin’s are still foundational) but these days I would choose a book, or perhaps a few expert podcasts, that goes into the co-evolution of genes and culture. No serious scholar would claim these days that the human story is just about either the genes we inherit or the culture we grow up in, shaping our learning and behaviour. The story is one of both/and not either/or.
On that basis, I am guessing the best fairly recent book would be The Ape that Understood the Universe: How the Mind and Culture Evolve, by Steve Stewart-Williams, 2019. I haven’t read it yet, but the publisher’s description and expert reader recommendations make it a tempting one to put on my list to get around to. I’d love to hear from any heretics here who know this book already and can give us their verdict, or make other recommendations.
Hi Tom….Here is some new information on Amos Yee, he’s back in his own country and has got into a bit of a scrape with someone. count Dankula who debated him around a decade ago thinks the subject of paedophilia was “won” and the debate is over somehow. From what I remember of the debate, it was no more than a shouting match with no real depth into the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXmOgWGny0
I spent a lot of time on youtube for years arguing with idiots. But at least i got my point across. If i post on that video,will people even see it? Yes, comments disappear…
Joe Rogan questions age limits, says he watched Traci Lords PIM from when she was 16 (Short clip)
The clip has apparently gone viral recently. And even if that wasn’t the case, it’s still funny / entertaining, and a window into how people really think – and what they would be willing to say publicly – in a less hostile society…
it sickens me that people want to charge traci with lying, but if shes capable of being tried surely shes capable of the porn? hypocrite double standard contradictory scum!
I now see that this was a bigger deal than I’d realized, involving a protracted legal battle from 1986-1994. I.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._X-Citement_Video%2C_Inc. Snippets of articles tell me the following:
The decision granted the Clinton administration’s bid to reinstate a Los Angeles porn shop owner’s conviction for distributing sexually explicit videotapes made by Traci Lords when she was 15.
Lords was a well-known porn star when it was discovered in 1986 that she was underage when she made many of her sex films.
Lords, who is now pursuing an acting career in legitimate films, has admitted to lying about her age when the porn movies were made.
>So yeah, brave and funny that Joe Rogan would go on TV and shout straight into a camera that she was no “innocent little girl!” Props for honesty.
Yes ill buy him a drink! If u ever go to the us. Which i wont until it becomes free.. actually i cant go as i got a caution for um, assaulting someone. A mistake. Funny though, people gave me grief at first then started congratulating me. As it turns out he was a map….
[MODERATOR: 10 May 2026:
Cyril, you have posted eight further links today. I am going to stop this. Your enthusiasm is welcome but unfortunately your posting is so unselective that the noise to signal ratio has become unsustainably high.
What I mean is that most of what you post is routine stuff, much of it repetitive and adding little, if anything, of value to our corpus of knowledge. I am sure there are a few hidden gems to be found in it all, but the problem is the “hidden” bit. Neither I, nor I suspect you or anyone else here has the bandwidth to process all this material carefully, especially now that journal abstracts seem to be getting longer and longer.
My conclusion is that the best use of our mental resources is first to identify key information needs as and when required for specific projects and then to target AI-assisted searches accordingly. Your approach to information gets it the wrong way around. It’s a overwhelming bombardment of information with too little chance of being immediately useful.
So I would again ask you to engage your brain not just your search engine before posting links. Only post one item at a time and post no more than one per week, (otherwise I will delete them without reading). Make it the most important one, and tell us in your own words why you think it is important. Thank you.]
The correct designation is “signal-to-noise ratio”, usually measured in dB. In the case of Cyril the SNR has become unsustainably low.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio
Thanks, Sugarboy, I am happy to stand corrected on this one.
After getting it the wrong way around, I find it an amusing irony that later in my post I said this to Cyril:
>Your approach to information gets it the wrong way around.
LOL!
This is a totally great little exchange and no mistake, gentle mapsteriosos. I’ve been hard pressed for eeeks now deciding whether to address George Frideric OR TO’C re the character of “evobiologist” R Trivers and shall have to bound topside to address both from a great hEiGhT tonight! May all oV your neuroplastic rigging hold tight!
S to N ratio is of course crucial as well in theory of information. But what ia the information we maphabs desire in advance of the “signal”? that would tell us all else is noise?
I disagree.
First, I think I have a better understanding of your informational needs.
Second, it is better if an MAP-friendly person searches for information on his own, without using the AI with its censorship.
>I have a better understanding of your informational needs.
I see. And do you, Cyril, also have a better understanding than I do of how I need to prioritise my time? Do you perhaps know my own mind better than me? Should I, perhaps, just let you take all my decisions? Or better still, do all my work?
CSA is voluntary
‘The case of a four-year-old boy who was sexually abused by his father, who documented his actions. An expert demonstrated that the child “does not attribute negative significance to the offender’s behaviour”, which was linked to a stage of development typical of a four-year-old child, who is not yet capable of interpreting events adequately. On the other hand, the judge who ruled on this case used this opinion as a mitigating factor in justifying the sentence. Such an interpretation minimises the actual harm and ignores the fact that the consequences of sexual abuse can manifest themselves in the long term alongside the child’s cognitive and emotional development. Passages in the records depicting narratives that would offend a minor, for example, refer to alleged ‘carelessness’, wording that shifts responsibility onto the victim or is intended to induce a sense of shame.
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‘The most distressing scenarios from the minor’s perspective involve the circle of people aware of the incident extending to the school environment, which is the child’s primary social sphere.
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‘An analysis of case files also showed that in cases involving minors who independently produce intimate material or engage in sexual relationships with adults, insufficient consideration was given to the circumstances in which the child became involved in such relationships, including possible mechanisms of manipulation, exploitation of dependency, or prior victimisation. It should be noted that such behaviour may be linked to previous experiences of sexual abuse. Research shows that one of the possible consequences of childhood sexual abuse may be premature or heightened sexualisation of behaviour, which is understood as difficulties in setting boundaries, seeking attention through sexual behaviour, or internalised, dysfunctional relationship patterns.’
https://doi.org/10.63237/VTJJ2964
https://dzieckokrzywdzone.fdds.pl/index.php/DK/article/download/998/836
Cyril, both of your links here refer to the whole of a special issue of a journal. Which is the article from which you have quoted? Please give a separate link for that.
No separate link, page 73
OK, looks like you mean this one:
(Polish journal) Dziecko Krzywdzone (Child Abuse)
Vol 25, No. 1 (2026)
The Victim-Centered Approach and Polish Procedural Practice in Criminal Proceedings Concerning Child Sexual Offenses in Cyberspace
Aleksandra Osuch
Abstract
This article analyzes the victim-centered approach in criminal proceedings concerning child sexual offenses in cyberspace. The study is based on partial results of case file research conducted by experts from Dyżurnet.pl (NASK National Research Institute) in cooperation with the Institute of Justice (IWS), covering 220 criminal proceedings from 2020–2022, conducted in 52 courts across 15 voivodeships, concerning offenses under Articles 200, 200a, and 202 of the Penal Code. The research results indicate the dominance of a perpetrator-centered perspective, coupled with insufficient consideration of the needs and well-being of the injured child. The analysis of case files revealed, among other things, Infrequent efforts to identify children identified in evidence, sporadic assessments of the risk of further victimization, and the lack of a systematic, coherent psychological and therapeutic component to the proceedings. Based on the analysis, we can conclude that there is a need to effectively implement elements that will ensure that proceedings are conducted in accordance with a victim-centered approach, understood as consistently prioritizing the protection and well-being of minors at all stages of the proceedings.
Powerty As Third Variable
https://doi.org/10.1111/desc.70213
Westermarck Disproved
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10896-026-01105-1
Victimology Escalates
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-026-05477-1
Against Victim/Offender Dichotomy
https://doi.org/10.1177/17488958261436596
True Threat For Kids
«In the United States, child homicide rates are significantly higher than in other developed nations—5.3 per 100,000 compared to 0.6 in a sample of 41 countries (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 2019). Infant homicide rates are similarly elevated at 8.1 per 100,000, more than double the global average of 3.5 (Large et al., 2010). From 1976 to 2007, filicide arrests in the United States comprised 2.5% of all homicide arrests, totaling approximately 500 annually, though these figures likely underestimate the true scope due to underreporting, particularly for neonaticide, which can be concealed or misclassified (Klier, Fisher, et al., 2019; Mariano et al., 2014).
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«some research suggests mothers are more likely to kill sons, while fathers are more likely to kill daughters (Dawson & Langan, 1994). Patterns shift when examining adult victims. For example, Mariano et al. (2014) found more than 75% of victims 18 or older were male. Johnson and Dawson (2024) found the average victim age was 4 years old in a Canadian coroner’s report sample of filicides involving victims 18 and under. Similarly, Mariano et al. (2014) found two-thirds of all filicides from a 32-year span of Supplemental Homicide Reports (SHR) cases involved victims 6 years of age or less. When examining relational distance, biological children comprise the overwhelming majority of filicide victims. Mariano et al. (2014) reported that more than 90% of victims were the biological offspring of the offender.
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«Victims were most commonly between the ages of 1 and 17 (52.9%)
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«Notably, the vast majority of victims (90.2%) were the biological children of the offender.»
https://doi.org/10.1177/08862605261444011
Threaten То Conceal Impossible
«whether someone discloses or seeks help depends on whether the violence is recognized and defined as a problem, which is shaped by contextual factors such as cultural norms and stigma, and individual factors such as sociodemographic background, characteristics related to the violence exposure, and social network (Ullman, 2023c).
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«Findings suggest that older age at onset is associated with a higher likelihood of disclosure during adulthood (Alaggia et al., 2019; Bottoms et al., 2016; McElvaney, 2015).
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«Fear of severe injury or death has consistently been found to an increased likelihood of disclosing sexual and physical violence in childhood and adulthood (Ansara & Hindin, 2010; Barret & St. Pierre, 2011; Bottoms et al., 2016; Fanslow & Robinson, 2010; Lelaurain et al., 2017).»
https://doi.org/10.1177/08862605261441617
Penetration Risk <5%
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psiq.2026.100911
«Body Does Not Keep The Score»
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/systems-neuroscience/articles/10.3389/fnsys.2026.1812957/full?utm_source=F-NTF&utm_medium=EMLX&utm_campaign=PRD_FEOPS_20170000_ARTICLE
Age Equality «constrain girls’ freedoms»
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12982-026-01962-7
Incest More Compulsory Than Other CSA
Less «victim» self-blaming.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10896-026-01071-8#citeas
No Prohibition-Rape Correlation
https://doi.org/10.1177/0193841X261449106
Positive Sexting
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19317611.2026.2661786
Ban Leads To Suicide
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15374416.2026.2660292
Biased Scientists
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.metip.2026.100253
«Victims» Aren’t Lonely
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psychres.2026.117213
18YО: Cop Molested My 14YO GF
https://www.gazeta.uz/uz/2026/05/01/guvoh/?ysclid=moprutnn5q228312737
Teens kill guy for sending messages.. dont have link,saw it on facebook. Dont really want to read it. All i know is he was 49 and was taken somewhere and killed with rocks. They got i think. 7 years for manslaughter. Fact is society has always been violent and ignorant. I hope they realise what they did one day wasnt right.. and once again teens proving they aren’t innocent. The killers were 15-16
.old enough to kill. Old enough for anything including messages…
Paedophilia “attractive for adolescents,
Who are experiencing problems in the family or with peers.
⁝
“As a result of prolonged exposure, a paedophile causes an unhealthy attachment in a teenager, which can be mistaken for love.”
https://www.b17.ru/article/895757/
No pregnancy risk & No trauma
«sexual abuse showed a significant association with partner age (r = 0.07, p = .02); no ACE domain was significantly associated with age gap. After adjusting for maternal age at first birth, sexual abuse remained significant (β = 1.24, 95% CI [0.12, 2.36], p = .030), but this association did not survive FDR correction for multiple testing (pFDR = 0.30).»
If «victims» are said to be afraid of men, how can they prefer older partners?
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2026.108080
Paedophiles beaten
https://welcome.minsk.by/articles/66248.html?ysclid=moowpqm0cb548702737
https://ok.ru/video/9035125009
As for his apparently disgusting personality, that doesn’t tell me much about the goodness or badness of his work. I have no doubt that Tom is on this same boat.
Ah, social sciences. I’m sorry to be that guy in the room, but: take them with a grain of salt. I don’t deny that they have a role towards helping better understand reality, but my general feeling is that these days social sciences are largely overvalued. Since there are so many individualities and variables, it is often the case that one can learn more about human behavior by talking to an actual human than by reading an entire encyclopedia.
This was an interesting part. I have always wondered why we have the ability to lie and to detect lies, at the same time. Sounds like a paradox. Evolution should (apparently) either favour one or the other! Why both?
It looks to me that, as with many things in life, it’s a gray area. We all want to be surrounded by people who always tell the truth, yes. But at the same time, being able to tell and pass a lie may sometimes be good for survival. Even, lieing may be a moral thing to do, for example, when you are with someone who acts abusively to you and you lie to escape the situation.
Like an evolutionary dance. An endless game about the (unsolvable) question of who to trust.
>Like an evolutionary dance.
This expression elegantly captures the complex interactive “performance” that goes on at all levels of biology from whole animals down to molecules, a theme that has been beautifully explored by evolutionary biologist and ornithologist Richard O Prum in his marvellous book Performance all the Way Down: Genes, Development, and Sexual Difference.
Quick question:
Would the observation that identical twins tend to be super-friendly with each other, be a supporting evidence of Trivers’ theories? In the sense that if you share exactly the same genes, there is nothing to compete with.
Yes, I think it would, but this observation doesn’t appear to accord strongly or in a simple fashion with the existing research if a question I asked Google AI is anything to go by. I asked, “Is sibling rivalry less common among identical twins than fraternal ones?”. The answer hints at some truth in what you say, but it looks as though the overall picture is perhaps a bit more complicated than the basic theory would predict:
Google AI:
Research generally suggests that while identical twins report higher levels of closeness and dependence, there is no significant difference in the frequency of sibling rivalry between identical and fraternal twins.
While the intensity or nature of the rivalry may differ due to genetic similarity, the overall levels of conflict remain comparable across both groups.
Key Differences in Relationship Dynamics
* Closeness and Dependence: Identical (monozygotic) twins typically experience significantly higher levels of emotional closeness and mutual dependence than fraternal (dizygotic) twins. This bond often remains more stable throughout childhood, whereas fraternal twins may see a decline in closeness as they age.
* Nature of Rivalry:
– Identical Twins: Rivalry often stems from a struggle to establish individual identity and “separateness” because they are frequently viewed as a single unit by outsiders.
– Fraternal Twins: Rivalry can be more traditionally competitive, intensified by the fact that they often have entirely different potentials and abilities, leading to clearer comparisons.
* Same-Sex Dynamics: Same-sex twins (whether identical or fraternal) tend to report higher levels of conflict and rivalry than opposite-sex twin pairs.
* Cooperation: Some laboratory studies have found that identical twins may be more cooperative than fraternal twins in problem-solving tasks, suggesting they may “abandon the struggle for supremacy” more readily in shared activities.
Despite these nuances, larger studies using parental reports, such as the Twins, Family and Behaviour study, have found no mean level differences in relationship quality or negativity when comparing identical, fraternal, and even non-twin sibling pairs.
“When I watched the girls all loving on Sam, I just felt sick in my stomach. I knew they were younger versions of me – and I knew that, some day, they would realise that is not love; that is actually survival.”
‘When I watched the girls loving this man, I felt sick’: the woman who exposed a polygamous paedophile
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/may/01/when-i-watched-the-girls-loving-this-man-i-felt-sick-the-woman-who-exposed-a-polygamous-paedophile?CMP=share_btn_url
Killed in prison
https://spb.mk.ru/incident/2025/04/09/stali-izvestny-podrobnosti-smertelnogo-izbieniya-pedofila-v-peterburgskoy-kolonii.html
“Victims” are not aggressive and not cocaine addicted
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00737-026-01702-5
Willing CSA doesn’t harm
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40653-026-00898-z
No harm for body
https://doi.org/10.1111/jpc.70406
Repeated preteen CSA doesn’t harm
https://doi.org/10.1177/26884844261446169
Correlates of believing in child sexuality
https://doi.org/10.1177/15248380261443213
«multiple psychological mediators
… studies identify physical activity and social support as important protective factors that may buffer the impact of trauma on social anxiety.»
https://doi.org/10.1080/10911359.2026.2666811
Only depressed survivors become alcoholics
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2026.108077
Does not cause preterm birth
«One U.S study that utilized self-reported maternal exposure to childhood maltreatment reported that only sexual abuse accompanied by physical force perpetrated by a non-parent/adult caregiver resulted in an increased risk of PTB, particularly for those whose abuse began after nine years of age (Cammack et al., 2019). However, other forms of parental abuse (physical, emotional and sexual) were not associated with PTB (Cammack et al., 2019).»
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1359178926000315
«Sexual abuse shows particularly strong associations with mental health problems in females. However, findings remain inconsistent across studies, and many investigations have not systematically examined gender as a moderating factor.»
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.actpsy.2026.106954
Hi Cyril
” What did I do wrong ? » was my comment yesterday on another site, and Matt seems to know it”
Can you tell me what this site is so that I can have a look at it btw is it MAP related?
https://lj.rossia.org/users/creaturebipedal/
Its in cyrillic how i supposed to read it.! Im not aware of the existence of this site even… Only two map related places i go is here or fstube.
The link is from Cyril, so of course it’s in cyrillic! 🙂
Paedohunting crimes
https://www.stuartmillersolicitors.co.uk/paedophile-hunters-and-the-law/
No CSA—bad parenting correlation after statistical control
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40653-026-00895-2
AOC 18 as patriarchy
https://doi.org/10.1177/09075682261440992
More than 60% of СР watchers don’t reoffend
https://doi.org/10.1177/10790632261446632
I find the theory of fraternal birth order worthy of consideration as a possible evolutionary mechanism of adaptation influencing the sexuality of siblings. The more brothers and sisters in a family, the higher the likelihood of homosexuality and homosexual chronophilia. Perhaps nature harmonizes connections in a group in this way.
Yes, the fraternal birth order effect on homosexual orientation is now very strongly supported from a wide range of empirical studies. I see some idiot of a Wikipedia editor who presumably dislikes the findings has complained about too much detail (which might make the article “excessively” convincing) and “an excessive number of citations” (less research backing would be more palatable).
Frank Sulloway wrote a fascinating book long ago suggesting that being lower in the birth order produces less conventional siblings in general, including more rebellious ones. Called Born to Rebel: Birth Order, Family Dynamics, and Creative Lives it goes into the lives of many famous rebellious and highly creative younger sibs.
I’m not sure how well Sulloway’s proposition has stood the test of time but the book is a wonderful read at the very least.
His examples might seem at odds with my own sibling experience, as described in my blog, in which my older brother was described as the rebellious one in childhood. However, the story changed as we grew older.
My older brother became the conventional one, successful in a conventional way: maths professor, family man in a marriage ended only by death, traditional views on sexual morality. As the younger brother, it hardly needs saying, I became the less conventional, more rebellious one.
Indeed LoL
CP-Watching Trauma in Cops
https://doi.org/10.1177/0032258X261444913
«I hate that I miss him»
https://www.reddit.com/r/pedophilevictims/s/kEB77j6Cd8
The Rule of Law has triggered me more than your texts on trans issues. No, the Rule of Law and Human Rights are not products of reciprocal altruism. If anything, they are about managing vengeance. There is this good yet almost unreadable entry on the intersection of language and law that questions even the possibility of the Rule of Law itself.
Anyway.
Genocentrism aside, I understand the Dawkinsian metaphor of the “conscious gene”, but I think you have simply overstretched it into misleading territory.
Would it not be sharper to say that, for millennia, genes that disposed us towards mutual care have been winning the auditions on Natural Selection TV, creating tribes where, as a result, those around us also happened to share much of the same cooperative genome? The explanatory force remains, but the melodrama of scheming genes disappears.
Then there is the notion of parental investment. How monogamist! How individualistic! Even in the sixteenth century, Jesuits were reportedly baffled when told by some Indigenous peoples: “They are our children.” “But who are the parents?” “We are.” “No, no, no – who are the real parents?” “We do not know. Does it matter?” For minds trained in inheritance, lineage, and property, it mattered a great deal.
One might object: breastfeeding. But well into the twentieth century in rural Europe (and in bourgeois households too) wet-nursing was common – infants were often fed by whoever had milk. And care routinely circulated beyond the biological mother. In larger communities, children were not the sole responsibility of a nuclear pair; they were raised by a wider web of teenagers and adults, MAPs included.
The phrase “environment of evolutionary adaptedness” sits too close to the nature–nurture split, which I have never found particularly helpful. It implies a single, fixed moment when we stepped out of nature and into nurture – as if early culture froze our psychology into stable “hardware” that still claims to explain us today.
Yet would it not be more precise to say that natural selection endowed human beings with a trait no other species possesses to the same degree: not the adaptability of tissues, but that of mind? It is this brain that generates culture, and culture in turn becomes part of what we are. One might even ask: are cities not now part of our environment in the full biological sense, shaping us as much as we shape them? I do not know about you, but I am not surviving in a “natural” rainforest – though in the jungles of New York I may well try. This Anthropocene framework suggests that we are collectively capable of shaping our environment and managing its consequences, both social and personal. As you rightly note, our futures are not fixed by genes, only influenced by them.
The same applies to parent–offspring conflict and sibling rivalry. At times, the evolutionary psychology feels as though it absorbs familiar patriarchal assumptions, translates them into graphs and equations, and then serves them back to us with the authority of science. All of which, as you note, is politically convenient for the Right – Foucault would have been so proud of this power/knowledge dynamic!
Tribal societies were certainly no communist-feminist utopias. But one does wonder whether a weaker emphasis on private property might have softened some of these conflicts. Children would still have been impossibly needy creatures, and competitive instincts would remain. Yet might those instincts have been less corrosive to relationships under different social arrangements?
As for reciprocal altruism, I have little fundamental disagreement. Whether one sees it as a product of evolution or of broader social forces, the idea finds strong support in game theory, among other areas.
As for self-deception, I remain sceptical, though here I confess my scepticism is more instinctive than evidential. There is a line beyond which reading “body language” slips into mere speculation. Self-deception also reminds me of the political notion of ideology, namely, “the lies that they believe”.
All told, good science requires careful study, not merely clever stories. The scientific method is an exacting discipline, and one not always easy to satisfy – as we on this platform know only too well.
Okay, back to learning Römisches Recht, because this exam will not pass itself.
Thanks, “George Frideric”, for taking the trouble to give a detailed and thoughtful critique. I do hope your exam goes well, despite this interruption!
You wrote:
>The Rule of Law has triggered me more than your texts on trans issues. No, the Rule of Law and Human Rights are not products of reciprocal altruism.
And your argument would be? Blunt assertion (“I’m right, you’re wrong!) has little persuasive force. Admittedly, you offer a “good yet almost unreadable” encyclopaedia entry in support, but that is no way to present an argument either. Why not? Because it is entirely possible that a lengthy entry like that might just as easily provide information and arguments that would support my interpretation as yours.
>the melodrama of scheming genes disappears.
Perhaps metaphors, like supermarket food, should come with an expiry date. When Dawkins was writing in the 1970s, his selfish gene metaphor drew attention vividly to the molecular (DNA) nature of inheritance, a physical reality that was in danger of being lost sight of at the time and which still applies.
>Then there is the notion of parental investment. How monogamist! How individualistic! Even in the sixteenth century, Jesuits were reportedly baffled when told by some Indigenous peoples: “They are our children.” “But who are the parents?” “We are.” “No, no, no – who are the real parents?” “We do not know. Does it matter?” For minds trained in inheritance, lineage, and property, it mattered a great deal.
Good point.
>children were not the sole responsibility of a nuclear pair; they were raised by a wider web of teenagers and adults, MAPs included.
True. It’s all in Hewlett & Lamb’s Hunter-Gatherer Childhoods, with contributions by the renowned Sarah Blaffer Hrdy and others: “It takes a village to raise a child”, as someone said, and nuclear families often lack such support systems. However, it was precisely in the pre-patriarchal ancestral environment that the logic of parental investment played out not just over the hundreds of thousands of years of Homo sapiens’ evolution but of their primate ancestors too. Bearing infants imposes higher costs (investment) on gorilla females than males (same with other apes).
>The phrase “environment of evolutionary adaptedness” sits too close to the nature–nurture split, which I have never found particularly helpful. It implies a single, fixed moment when we stepped out of nature and into nurture
Not to biologists it doesn’t. Our EEA spans all earlier times in which our earlier environment favoured the selection of traits to which we became adapted. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of years, right up to the present day. We have not stopped evolving, a point made strongly in recent research news on adaptations our species has made in the last few thousand years.
>Yet would it not be more precise to say that natural selection endowed human beings with a trait no other species possesses to the same degree: not the adaptability of tissues, but that of mind?
How do you suppose the mind adapts to anything? Via the brain. What is the brain made of? Tissue! A whole bunch of chemically active grey matter, white matter and much more. This looks like a lapse into Cartesian dualism on your part, George. Our neurons and synapses are adapting all the time; our genes are being switched on an off epigenetically in an adaptive blizzard that only ends when our lives do.
>One might even ask: are cities not now part of our environment in the full biological sense, shaping us as much as we shape them?
Absolutely! Couldn’t agree more.
>we are collectively capable of shaping our environment and managing its consequences, both social and personal.
We have certainly changed our environment dramatically, vastly more than any other species. Whether we can manage the consequences (climate change, etc) is another question.
>At times, the evolutionary psychology feels as though it absorbs familiar patriarchal assumptions
See my previous response.
>Tribal societies were certainly no communist-feminist utopias.
Absolutely not, I agree, but these societies varied greatly. From a modern progressive POV, many of them were downright dystopian, far more murderous and rapacious than relatively civilised modern patriarchies: the distinction between “savage” and “civilised” is not entirely fanciful. Nomadic hunter-gatherers seem to have had relatively “fair” egalitarian lifestyles compared to later non-nomadic horticulturalists, as these came under resource pressure (limited land, viciously fought over).
>But one does wonder whether a weaker emphasis on private property might have softened some of these conflicts. Children would still have been impossibly needy creatures, and competitive instincts would remain. Yet might those instincts have been less corrosive to relationships under different social arrangements?
Yes!
>As for reciprocal altruism, I have little fundamental disagreement. Whether one sees it as a product of evolution or of broader social forces, the idea finds strong support in game theory, among other areas.
The game “theory” you speak of is no longer just theory. Reciprocal altruism is well supported empirically, no least through differently programmed computer models competing as the most adaptive.
>All told, good science requires careful study, not merely clever stories.
Indeed it does. I think you’ll find that Trivers’ hypotheses, which started as well-informed, intelligent speculation, like so much else in science (what else is theory?) does now have a wide range of empirical support, from multiple disciplines.
I would say that this was a bit of an overstatement. People are also sent to jail to prevent them from causing more harm. That constitutes a role of law that is not tied to resentment.
Yet I would agree that people tend to overuse the judicial system to solve any discrepancy, bad feeling, internal traumas and what not. There should be an ample space for apology and just life experience. For instance I was once touched in the ass in a club by a drunk guy. It annoyed jme terribly. I hate being touched in the parts in public. I could have easily sent him to jail. But I felt it would be an overkill for the situation.
Apart from hinting that today’s teen girls are as emotionally mature as pre-WW2 women, what did Trivers say about today’s MAPS?
I’m not sure he said anything on the record about MAPs, unless his friend Jeffrey Epstein counted (on thin evidence) as one. Maybe someone else knows more?
>I’m not sure he said anything on the record about MAPs
HTOC long-cites MAP-free Trivers on MAP-centric HTOC?
Trivers defended Epstein over alleged minor attraction, which is definitely MAP-relevant, but he may not have explicitly engaged with the subject otherwise. His evolutionary theory of sexual motivations is also relevant because it applies to MAPs just as it does to everyone else.
Is there a more direct bearing on MAPs than this?
Yes, a few themes come to mind.
1:
Parent-offspring conflict. Parents are always presented as having the child’s best interests at heart, but there are quite common circumstances in which they may diverge.
Pinker gave one clear and uncontroversial example: “Baby Jack may want to suck his mother dry, while Mom wants to keep part of herself in reserve for unborn Jill and other future offspring.” However, from our perspective it is examples somewhat later in life, especially related to (typically) teenage rebellion over sexual choices that are more directly relevant.
Parents may choose to exercise control over their children’s sexual expression when it is IN THEIR PARENTAL INTERESTS to do so, even when the rebellious teen’s choice of partner would be seen as a legitimate love-match in other circumstances. Think Romeo and Juliet. Their respective parents’ dynastic squabbles arguably made no sense as regards their best interests (or at least, strictly speaking, their best genetic bet).
2:
You won’t like this one, but we should think about it. The human capacity for self-deception applies as much to MAPs as everyone else when it comes to sexual consent. The best researchers have questioned the validity of the term “cognitive distortions” in this context, because believing that a child is an enthusiastic participant in a sexual act will often be true, not a distortion. Sometimes, though, it will indeed be a self-serving distortion. We need to guard against that.
3:
The evolutionary grounds for believing girls are more choosy is bad news for GLs but better for BLs. However, there are grounds for thinking that this is one of those themes where we cannot ignore the cultural side of how the choosy inclination comes about (including gene/culture co-evolution). It is at least partly a learned thing, isn’t it? It is only when girls start to learn from others, including parents and peers, that they are supposed to be “modest”, careful not to flash their knickers, etc, that they begin to behave with “ladylike” restraint. Little girls, by contrast, are not in the least bit inhibited.
>You won’t like this one, but we should think about it. The human capacity for self-deception applies as much to MAPs as everyone else when it comes to sexual consent. The best researchers have questioned the validity of the term “cognitive distortions” in this context, because believing that a child is an enthusiastic participant in a sexual act will often be true, not a distortion. Sometimes, though, it will indeed be a self-serving distortion. We need to guard against that.
Pup likes all things ‘knowledge’, not least knowing TOC misthinks Pup won’t like knowledge.
As for cognitive distortions about any age girls or boys sexual enthusiasm, vastly sexperienced Pup knows that some do some don’t, or will with one or some but not with others, adult or minor. Quote, Olde Tyme most banned Beeb radio fun-boy Max Miller, “I like the girls who do, I like the girls who don’t. I even like the girls who say they will, but then say they won’t.” Plus, “I was walking over a river bridge so narrow that two people couldn’t pass each. When a gorgeous young girl approached, and I didn’t know whether to block her passage or toss myself off.” Plus, “When apples are red they’re ready for plucking, when girls are sixteen they’re ready for…Good Night Folks!” (PedoFILE with Pup’s earlier toilet humor from the well known worthy Worldwide walls cognitive ‘Cottage’ culture catalogue?)
Is there a Max Miller appreciation society? I’m ready to sign up! 🙂
>Pup likes all things ‘knowledge’, not least knowing TOC misthinks Pup won’t like knowledge.
Not so fast, Pup. You say you like all things knowledge, but, as per Trivers, to say nothing of Shakespeare, Freud and sages without number, might you not be deceiving yourself a smidgeon? Or, if not, read on.
I too pride myself on welcoming all genuine knowledge, even when it includes hard or inconvenient truths. But that doesn’t stop the hardness or the inconvenience. I can honestly say I welcome all knowledge but that doesn’t mean I will always LIKE it. I might have to lump it. The main thing is that we look reality in the face and deal with it, however tough that might be.
That said, your stated philosophy (channelled through Miller’s words) looks very sound to me, especially this bit:
“I like the girls who do, I like the girls who don’t. I even like the girls who say they will, but then say they won’t.”
Bravo! 🙂
Regarding point 1 (Parents may choose to exercise control over their children’s sexual expression when it is IN THEIR PARENTAL INTERESTS):
This is huge! Given that a democratic society is governed by the decisions of adults, what is the place for children? Who defends them? Many of the laws we see on pornography, consent, internet and so on are made to the comfort of adults. It is much easier to manage adolescence when the sex part is out, ins’t it? I would consider overprotection as a misadaptation over the protection of the genes held by the offspring. My observation is that since more stuff is being managed by the state and less by the family, the bonds between parents and children are getting weaker and weaker. My prediction is that we will see (and we are already seeing) more violence from children to parents, more abandonment of elderly, and more toxic environments at home.
Regarding point 2 (Sometimes, though, it will indeed be a self-serving distortion):
I think this was a honest remark. But as you pointed out, intolerant people tend to lie to themselves and get convinced that children do not want those contacts. With the use of metaphores, ambiguous language, made-up concepts, hidden contradictions, unstated assumptions… those biases get often buried under layers of language labyrinths. I often have issues when discussing with women; I feel they use the language in quite a different way. Because of those language artifacts, the conversation gets out of sync and the meaning gets blurry.
Regarding point 3 (girls and women being more picky):
I have coincidentally been watching some videos of (female) youtubers explaining how women are so disoriented these days because men no longer want to commit so easily with women, since men have found solitude to be more rewarding. Back in the day, there was this notion of the man who goes after the woman and desperately tries to draw attention, while women passively present themselves as a treasure hard to obtain. I think this is pretty much over, and it is creating a restructure of social relations. All that is creating friction, since I think it creates frustration to women who still function in the old way in their expectations.
Brief comments.
Steelmanning – no conflict between Epstein class apologism and pedophilia (e.g. previous blog)?
While a father’s interest could – in theory – conflict with his daughter’s, are hers better served by feminists, attacking e.g. marriage, the family, fatherhood? Unlike fathers, the latter have generally virtually no interest in the girl at all, which could have served to limit the conflict.
This, not cultural handwaving regarding a girl’s nature, is part and parcel of the dilemma facing GL, with strategic implications for relationships and activism.
>Epstein class apologism
The “Epstein class”, Lex? That’s a bit sweeping, isn’t it, like hating “The Jews”?
If you are going to condemn, the “Epstein class”, let’s just note some of the great minds in that class, all of them in Epstein’s social circle. If you are hell-bent on trashing the lot of them, just ask yourself where we would be without people of their calibre. People including these:
* Stephen Hawking: theoretical physicist
* Marvin Minsky: AI pioneer
* Noam Chomsky: linguistics guru and public intellectual
* George Church: geneticist
* Lawrence Krauss: theoretical physicist
* Murray Gell-Mann: Nobel Prize-winning physicist
* Steven Pinker: psychologist
* Richard Dawkins: biologist
* Daniel Dennett: philosopher
In my opinion, evolutionary psychology is mainly speculation, without any analysis of empirical data, nor controlled experiments. It is thus non-scientific. At least the theory of biological evolution rests on empirical data: one has observed micro-evolutions in changing environments (e.g., peppered moths becoming black when the tree bark gets covered with soot), and macro-evolution is seen among the fossils in successive geological layers.
Furthermore, one can learn about evolution of human psychology by making comparisons between humans, chimpanzees and bonobos, as Frans de Waal did in numerous works. I see nothing like that in your long exposition.
The concept of ‘alpha male’ was introduced in the 1980’s and has since been debunked. For instance, pack of wolves are family groups, and the ‘alpha couple’ are simply the parents. Among chimpanzees, the ‘alpha male’ is the one getting most females, he is not necessarily the leader in hunting or war expeditions.
I used to compare sex morals in monkeys and apes/humans: https://e-reading.club/bookreader.php/1080986/kirill-galaburda-etologiya-o-prichinah-pedoborchestva.html
But Tom did not publish it.
Cyril, your claim that we can learn about evolution of human psychology by making comparisons between humans, chimpanzees and bonobos is very well supported by primate research.
It was not my intention to censor this viewpoint. I agree with it. The trouble is that your very long “answer” was mostly links and quote dumps, not a coherent argument. You have been a guest blogger here before. You are a man of science. You can do better than that.
You don’t need news?
Yes, but use your common sense, Cyril. Too much is indigestible, especially when it come in multiple links with no personal comment. No wonder the software thought this was spam.
Christian wrote:
>In my opinion, evolutionary psychology is mainly speculation, without any analysis of empirical data, nor controlled experiments.
This was the standard objection in the early days but there is now substantial empirical support. See Chat GPT’s summary below. It’s quite long but useful, I think, not least because I asked about the view taken by conservative (in the scientific not political sense) biologists because they are unlikely to be overly biased towards purely cultural explanations but would also be wisely doubtful about claims lacking strong empirical support.
As for your well-made point about alpha males, I may return to it in a separate comment.
Chat GPT:
Trivers’ Contribution
Robert Trivers is one of the founding figures in evolutionary psychology, and much of his work focuses on how evolutionary principles can explain human behavior. His major contributions include theories on reciprocal altruism, parental investment, parent-offspring conflict, and self-deception. His ideas have had profound impacts on how we think about human nature from an evolutionary perspective.
When someone says evolutionary psychology is “mainly speculation,” they’re pointing to a critique that has been around for a while: that many of the claims made in the field seem difficult to test empirically, and as such, are often seen as speculative rather than firmly grounded in controlled experiments.
Empirical Support
Over the years, evolutionary psychology has evolved, and while the criticisms remain, there has been growing empirical support for several of the key ideas that Trivers and other evolutionary psychologists proposed. Here’s a breakdown:
1. Reciprocal Altruism (Trivers’ theory)
◦ Empirical Evidence: There is evidence supporting the idea that humans engage in reciprocal altruism (helping others with the expectation of future help). Studies of cooperation in small groups, both in humans and in animals (like primates), suggest that individuals will often cooperate in ways that benefit both parties in the long term.
◦ Support: Experimental economics and field studies (e.g., prisoner’s dilemma experiments) have shown that reciprocal cooperation can evolve, especially when individuals are able to track the actions of others and punish or reward them accordingly. This aligns well with Trivers’ theory.
2. Parental Investment Theory (Trivers’ theory)
◦ Empirical Evidence: Parental investment theory has strong support from a wide range of studies in both humans and animals. In humans, for example, parental investment—the idea that the sex investing more in offspring will be more selective in mate choice—is strongly supported by demographic data and cross-cultural studies.
◦ Support: This is one of the most widely accepted areas in evolutionary psychology. The general idea that females, due to their larger investment in gestation and childcare, tend to be more selective than males in mate choice is consistent with empirical observations across species.
3. Human Mate Preferences (Derived from Trivers’ ideas)
◦ Empirical Evidence: Research has shown that men and women, on average, do have different mate preferences that can be explained by evolutionary theory. For instance, women tend to value resource acquisition and status more than men, while men tend to value youth and fertility in potential mates.
◦ Support: This has been supported by cross-cultural surveys and experimental studies (e.g., preference for physical traits in mates).
4. Self-Deception (Trivers’ theory)
◦ Empirical Evidence: Trivers’ idea that self-deception might be an evolutionary strategy for better manipulation of others (i.e., deceiving others while not knowing you’re lying) has found some support in psychology and neuroscience, particularly in studies of cognitive dissonance and unconscious bias.
◦ Support: There is some psychological research showing that people often deceive themselves to avoid discomfort or to present themselves in a favorable light, which could support this theory.
Strength of Evidence
While there is support for many of Trivers’ key ideas, the strength of the evidence is mixed, and the field still faces challenges:
• Strong areas of support: As mentioned, parental investment theory and reciprocal altruism are two areas where there is substantial empirical backing, both from field studies in animals and controlled laboratory experiments in humans.
• Weaker areas: Some of Trivers’ more speculative ideas, such as self-deception and evolutionary explanations for human emotions, have more indirect support. These concepts are difficult to test rigorously because they often involve complex, internal psychological states and behaviors that don’t easily lend themselves to controlled experiments.
Conservative Biologists’ Critiques
Conservative biologists, particularly those within neuroscience and behavioral ecology, often have reservations about certain aspects of evolutionary psychology:
1. Over-reliance on Adaptationist Thinking: Some biologists criticize evolutionary psychology for frequently taking an adaptationist view, where every aspect of human behavior is seen as having evolved for a specific function. This can be seen as just-so storytelling—speculative narratives about how certain traits might have evolved without solid empirical tests.
2. Difficulty of Testing Hypotheses: The empirical challenges of testing evolutionary psychology hypotheses—particularly in humans—are a major sticking point. Critics argue that many of the claims are hard to falsify, which makes the field prone to speculative theories rather than rigorous, testable predictions.
3. Methodological Issues: Some critics argue that evolutionary psychology is often too reliant on cross-sectional studies or data that can’t definitively determine causality. For instance, while surveys about mate preferences may reflect broad trends, they don’t necessarily show that these preferences were shaped by evolutionary pressures.
4. Alternative Explanations: There are alternative explanations for human behavior, such as cultural evolution or social learning, which some biologists feel offer more nuanced understandings of behaviors without invoking evolutionary psychology.
Are the Critics Right?
While evolutionary psychology has undoubtedly been influential and groundbreaking in some areas, it is true that parts of the field are still speculative, especially in areas where empirical data is sparse. That being said, the field has made important contributions, and there has been increasing movement toward rigorous empirical testing. The challenge remains in generating testable predictions that can be assessed through controlled experiments—something that is harder to do with human behavior given its complexity and cultural influences.
In Summary:
• Yes, evolutionary psychology has solid empirical support in areas like parental investment and reciprocal altruism, but some aspects still remain speculative, especially theories that are harder to test (like self-deception).
• The support for Trivers’ work is strong in some areas (parental investment theory, reciprocal altruism), but other areas (e.g., self-deception) still face challenges in empirical validation.
• There are definitely conservative biologists and researchers who are skeptical of the speculative nature of some evolutionary psychology claims, and the field often faces critique for being more narrative-driven than data-driven.
The debate remains ongoing, but there’s no denying that the field of evolutionary psychology continues to evolve and incorporate more sophisticated methods of empirical testing.
Your claim that evopych relies only on speculation with no empirical analysis is incorrect. As this paper points out, evolutionary psychologists routinely use laboratory experiments, cross-cultural comparisons, questionnaires, observational studies, physiological measures, and neuroimaging data to test hypotheses, and some hypotheses from the field have in fact been falsified, which is a hallmark of scientific inquiry, not speculation.
You suggest that comparing humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos (as Frans de Waal did) would be valuable, then say you see “nothing like that” in evolutionary psychology. This is puzzling, because cross-species comparison is explicitly listed as one of evolutionary psychology’s core methods. Frans de Waal’s own 1982 book Chimpanzee Politics was widely cited by evolutionary psychologists and helped inspire the application of primate social structures to human behavior. The concept of “alpha male” has only been debunked for wolves. It is well-documented that alpha males exist in several primate species, including chimpanzees. You say the chimpanzee alpha male “is the one getting most females” and “is not necessarily the leader in hunting or war expeditions.” This is partly true in that reproductive success is central, but the chimpanzee alpha male does typically play a significant role in coalition-building, conflict resolution, and group protection.
Chimpanzees and bonobos are the two primate species most closely related to humans. While chimpanzees are patriarchal and led by alpha males, bonobos are not and instead maintain a female-centered social structure. An argument could be made that humans occupy a middle ground: we are too similar to bonobos to be classified solely with chimpanzees, yet too similar to chimpanzees to be classified with bonobos. The modern world proves that male dominance and patriarchy are by no means an inevitability of human nature. That said, historically, most human societies have aligned more closely with the chimpanzee model of male dominance; although there are notable exceptions of matriarchal cultures, the vast majority of historical human societies have been patriarchies.
Fabulous comment, Kyoto! Extremely well informed! TBH, I wasn’t thinking about exact primatology when I was riffing on my relationship with my brother and brought in the term “alpha male”. It’s good to be reminded of the widely differing social structures and behaviours among the primates, and how carefully conceived and worded our characterisations of them need to be.
Reply to both Tom and Kyoto:
You don’t need to use “evolutionary psychology” to find “reciprocal altruism”. All social animals have a form of “reciprocal altruism”, and it is highly developed in chimps and bonobos. And in nature, cooperation exists as much as competition, it is not limited by kinship. The eukaryotic cell is a symbiotic combination of bacteria and archaea. Land plants could develop only in symbiosis with fungus.
“Parental investment”: this supposes a nuclear family, while many primitive human societies have extended families, where childcare is mutualised, see George Frideric above.
Chimpanzees are male-ruled, but not “patriarcal”: no male chimp knows whose father he is, since female chimps are notoriously sexually promiscuous. Patriarchy is a family system headed by the father who needs an obedient and chaste wife to give him legitimate heirs.
As Kyoto hasn’t replied, I’ll have a go. Christian says:
>You don’t need to use “evolutionary psychology” to find “reciprocal altruism”. All social animals have a form of “reciprocal altruism”, and it is highly developed in chimps and bonobos.
It is true you do not need evolutionary psychology to FIND, or OBSERVE, “reciprocal altruism”, in either humans or other social animals. What ev psych does (and which is also applicable to non-humans) is to EXPLAIN it with a theory that gives rise to testable hypotheses. The fact that it is “highly developed” in chimps and bonobos simply emphasises that it is a long-ago evolved phenomenon in primates, rather than uniquely the product of relatively recent human culture.
Claims to human exceptionalism have often been exaggerated, especially by religious people who like to think our species has a “special relationship” with God and that only humans have “immortal souls” and go to heaven. However, there are strong grounds for saying humans have taken social connections and cooperation much further than any other primate, a development that has required a big brain and the sophisticated social skills it has enabled. Only humans, for instance, cooperate and extend loyalty to large symbolic communities, such as the nation, or Christianity. Such abstractions would be meaningless to other primates.
>in nature, cooperation exists as much as competition, it is not limited by kinship
Yes, and you give good examples. Nature has found that cooperation can work well in many contexts, through various mechanisms, one of which (in the social animals) is reciprocal altruism. Rather than diminishing the significance of such altruism for our own species, the fact that it is part of a wider pattern of such evolutionary cooperative strategies tends to reinforce its claim to being of fundamental importance.
As you say, not all of these strategies depend on kinship. Neither does it DEPEND on kinship in humans. It is precisely the fact that “You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours” works well even with non-kin that makes reciprocal altruism so interesting and important for evolutionary theory. It massively widens the scope and power of cooperation beyond the narrow bonds of loyalty to kin.
>“Parental investment”: this supposes a nuclear family
No, parental investment is unavoidable for raising human infants, whichever kind of society does it. Human infants (unlike the young of many other species) are completely dependent on child care for their survival, regardless of whether that care comes in a nuclear family or an extended one. Many other animals can stand and walk almost as soon as they are born, and some mammals, famously rabbits, can start reproducing even within a matter of months. Not humans. We have an extremely long childhood of pre-reproductive juvenility.
Ok what did i do wrong
What do you mean, Matt? This is not marked as in reply to anyone.
He is mocking a reply in my blog , Matt must be some LEA
Oh come on, Cyril, your second sentence is hardly a logical deduction from the first, and even that initial premise is dubious, although that would be a matter for Matt to amplify or dispute if he wishes. .
« What did I do wrong ? » was my comment yesterday on another site, and Matt seems to know it
Im not aware of this??
Oh i posted something and it didnt appear. I assumed the swear word might have been the reason. But no swear word aa bad as the N ,’word’. I have a good reply to that they see say Russell brand and say ,’im getting the word’.. and i say , thick ??
Sorry if grammar bad,just stressed. So yeh,russell brands getting a lot of flack for doing a 16 yo when in his 30s. I did respect him but he supports the trump party..
[MOD: Sorry, Cyril, this comment was little more than link dumping. It had to go Maybe try commenting on the actual blog?]
I did yesterday.
[MOD: I didn’t see it because, as I now discover, it went to the Spam folder.]
If you want me to comment this blog, Tom, I an not impressed. Texts on evolutionary psychology are not new for me. Actually, one such book («Непослушное дитя биосферы») made me pro-МАР when I was 17.
Now I would tell you some news.
MAPs Beaten:
https://www.unotv.com/estados/san-luis-potosi/golpean-a-presunto-pedofilo-en-mercado-de-san-luis-potosi-video/
https://m.ok.ru/video/5579016388?ysclid=moeigw9fcp779781354
https://sakhapress.ru/archives/311600?ysclid=moei8ph64g705479293
False Accusationѕ During Conflict
https://youtu.be/OGio8Q3-9w8
Censoring Libs
https://doi.org/10.1080/01930826.2026.2662297
[MOD: Remainder deleted: far too long for a comment. Actually, I retrieved your full comment from Spam. Even the automatic system thought it was a bit much!]