The non-trivial legacy of Robert Trivers

Be warned, this one is a blockbuster: just one main blog item, considerably longer than usual and it will help a lot if you put your thinking cap on and take it at a gentle pace. Actually, the ideas involved are fundamentally quite simple but you will need to pay attention if most of this stuff is new to you. What’s it about? It’s a reflection on the work of Robert Trivers, a pioneer of evolutionary psychology who died recently. It’s a discipline often dismissed by Foucault fans (of whom I am one) on what I believe are misconceived grounds. What follows is my attempt to describe Trivers’ main theoretical insights and share my enthusiasm for them.

The significance for MAPs is not my main focus but it certainly exists because the work is fundamental to sexuality in general. It would be great to have some feedback on your thoughts about this. In general, Heretic TOC is fortunate to routinely attract comments running into three figures, many of which are of high quality and do a wonderful job in keeping us up to date with new research and MAP news. On this occasion, though, I would make a plea for more comments about the actual blog itself. Don’t be afraid to argue with me. I want to learn from dialogue with you all.

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Not to put too fine a point on it, Robert Trivers, whose reflections on the origins and basis of human psychology – including sexual motivation – dug deeper than even those of Darwin or Freud, was a bit of an asshole.

Trivers, who died last month, was arrogant, boorish, unreliable, unpredictable, in thrall to wild excess, and even downright thuggish. As a leading columnist told us,

His bizarre memoir Wild Life is not the place to turn to in order to learn of his brilliant ideas. It is mainly the story of his arrests, of his friends being murdered, of him being involved in knife fights, of getting an ice pick stabbed through his hand in a nightclub and of the various moments when his cocaine or marijuana stash was fortuitously missed by suspicious police officers… He loved the murderous African-American criminal Huey Newton and joined his thuggish Black Panthers. Most recently, he has been revealed as (of course) a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein. – Daniel Finkelstein, The Times, 25 March 2026

Ah. Yes. Epstein. Well, as readers of my previous blog will know, there are things to be said in Jeffrey’s favour. But Danny, bless him, aka @Dannythefink, perceptive and good-hearted man though he undoubtedly is, cannot be right about everything. He is, after all, Lord Finkelstein, a Conservative peer.

Moving swiftly on, the eminent psychologist Steven Pinker has pointed out in Quillette that Trivers’ early scientific work included researching lizards in Jamaica. He stayed for many years, in a life of boozing, brawling and whoring. He married two Jamaican women (not at the same time, but no one would have put it past him) and said he found the girls there so hot he needed no other reason to be on the island.

Bob Trivers (left) with his buddy Huey Newton, founder of the Black Panthers. Trivers’ later association with Jeffrey Epstein would be just as controversial, but he was no more apologetic over this friendship than the one with Newton. He didn’t see anything much wrong with Epstein’s interest in young women and girls, and told a reporter his relationship with Epstein was “valuable mostly because he is extremely bright, open-minded and widely travelled… he gives me consistent, warm support…”

But we have another reason to think about him. As Pinker reminds us, Trivers the scientist has given us insights that are quite simple once they are explained, but eluded great minds for ages. In a brief creative burst from 1971 to 1975, he wrote five seminal essays that invoked patterns of genetic overlap to explain each of the major human relationships: male with female, parent with child, sibling with sibling, partner with partner, and individuals with themselves – not in the physical ā€œself-loveā€ or masturbation sense, but in the stories we tell ourselves, especially as regards our capacity for self-deception.

Full disclosure: in what follows I will be using Pinker’s account extensively as a crib sheet. I have no wish to plagiarise, which is a dishonest practice that unfairly takes the credit for another person’s work, passing it off as one’s own. I do the opposite. I pay homage to Pinker, whose clear description invents the wheel, if you will, and I see no reason to reinvent it with my own rickety spokes and rims more hexagonal than circular.

That said, I no not intend to be Pinker’s slavish devotee. Like Finkelstein, Pinker leans to the right, as do a good many enthusiasts for the evolutionary psychology we will be discussing. It cannot be stated too strongly, though, that there is nothing intrinsically right-wing about the science in question. How could that be the case when, as will be seen, Trivers explores the deep origins of our ability to cooperate with each other, not just ruthlessly compete, as in winner-takes-all capitalism? How could evolutionary psychology be intrinsically right-wing given that it reveals our sense of fairness and justice is based on a firm foundation, and also grounds our profound belief that equality is a key concept (as with socialism) underpinning these ethical perceptions?

In the wake of Foucault, social constructivist thought on the Left has rightly tended to be sceptical of science, dismissing its claims to objectivity as bogus and noting its suspicious corruption in the service of paymasters that include the Military Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, and the now global Child Protection Racket. Nevertheless, it would be foolish and futile to deny that science can be hugely impressive – often difficult to harness safely, admittedly, as with nuclear power or AI, but that is testimony to its reality and potency. It means that if you study chemistry and biology in school you will genuinely be starting to learn how stuff actually works. It’s not just bullshit – which is more than can be said for a lot of what passes as postmodern scholarship these days.

The influence of Trivers’ work on science was vast. His ideas took pride of place in E O Wilson’sĀ Sociobiology in 1975, Richard Dawkins’ The Selfish GeneĀ in 1976, and many other landmark contributions in the next three decades such as Robert Wright’sĀ The Moral AnimalĀ (1994) and Pinker’s ownĀ The Blank SlateĀ in 2002. The implications for everyone were immense, as Pinker says:

The insight that partial genetic overlap among individuals leads to both confluences and conflicts of interests explains why human life is so intricate – why we love, and bicker with those we love; why we depend on one another, and mistrust those we depend on; why our emotions are powered by moral themes and not just physical threats; why deluded people are certain of their convictions and evil ones convinced of their rectitude.

The ground for Trivers’s revolution had been laid in the 1960s byĀ George WilliamsĀ andĀ William Hamilton, who focused on the key fact that natural selection is driven by competition among ā€œreplicatorsā€ (i.e. the basic units of evolution, called ā€œgenesā€ in biology, although other kinds of self-replication are possible, notably ā€œmemesā€ – a term coined by Dawkins – which are culture’s way of making things ā€œgo viralā€). This implies that the beneficiary of evolutionary adaptations is not the group or even the individual, but the gene. Hamilton drew out an implication: genes can perpetuate themselves by nurturing not only offspring but siblings and other kin, since any genes that benefit a blood relative would, with a certain probability, benefit copies ofĀ themselvesĀ in the bodies of those relatives.Ā 

Trivers’s innovation was to show how theĀ partialĀ overlap of genetic interests between individuals should put them in a partial conflict of psychological interest. The key resource isĀ parental investment: the time, energy, and risk devoted to the ā€œfitnessā€ of a child. Pinker uses this word without any quote marks or explanation, which may lead readers unfamiliar with the technical use of the term to think he is talking about our physical condition, as in “he is as fit as a fiddle” or “fit as a gym bunny”. But what biologists mean is much more inclusive. Yes, it’s about being in good shape, but it’s also about being smart; it’s about your chances of surviving into adulthood with a good chance of having your own children, thereby passing your genes into the next generation. He is talking about the survival of genes over thousands of generations, from when we were all hunter-gatherers, living a very different lifestyle to now, in what is sometimes called ā€œthe ancestral environmentā€. Known to evolutionary psychology more technically as the Environment of Evolutionary Adaptedness (EEA) this was the environment that shaped our brain and the psychological inclinations and desires it harboured, including our feelings about mating, parenting, and social relationships.

It may also seem odd or even obnoxious to use the term ā€œinvestmentā€, as though parenting were a capitalist enterprise rather than a labour of love. This sort of language has unfortunately misled many of us gentle, kind, herbivorous lefties into supposing the psychologists who use it must be callous swine in white coats who cold-bloodedly see the whole of humanity as merely self-serving and ruthless. Even Dawkins’ provocative title The Selfish Gene inadvertently took us quite a way down that road, which he later regretted, along with other aspects of his eloquently arresting style. Ironically, he wrote too well for his own good!

Nevertheless, the concept of parental investment is a truly powerful and necessary one for anyone who wants to understand why we are as we are. What follows, based on Pinker’s summary of Trivers’ foundational work might seem far-fetched and (if you are versed in the standard objections) ā€œreductionistā€ or ā€œessentialistā€, or ā€œgenetically deterministā€, but my advice is don’t knock it before you really understand it. The name may be Trivers, folks, but he ain’t trivial, and his understanding ain’t superficial, so listen up and listen good. Pinker again:

Parents have to apportion their investment across all their children, each equally valuable (all else the same). But although parents share half their genes with each child, the child sharesĀ allĀ its genes withĀ itself, so its interest in its own welfare will exceed that of its parents. What the parent tacitly wants – half half for Jack, half for Jill – is not what Jack and Jill each want: two thirds for the self, one third for the sib. Trivers called the predicamentĀ parent-offspring conflict.Ā Its corollary is sibling-sibling conflict: every offspring has an interest in its siblings’ welfare, since it shares half its genes with the sib, but that interest is outweighed by the twofold genetic interest it has in itself.Ā 

Jill may not even exist yet for Jack and his parents to differ over her welfare. Baby Jack may want to suck his mother dry, while Mom wants to keep part of herself in reserve for unborn Jill and other future offspring. The conflict is waged throughout the lifespan: in ailments of pregnancy (like pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes), postpartum depression, infanticide, cuteness, weaning, brattiness, tantrums, rebelliousness, sibling rivalry, and struggles over parental attention, support, and inheritance.

Not that toddlers are ever consciously battling on behalf of their own genes, of course, and especially not in the mathematically exact and calculated way that Pinker’s words might suggest. Rather, it makes more sense to think of these calculations as the scientists’ way of bringing precision to bear on what drives us unconsciously, by instinct.

It may help to consider sibling rivalry for a moment, which Pinker mentions above. Unlike parental investment, this is a scientific concept that is also familiar in everyday language and life. Unless we are an only child, most of us will have experienced it directly with our own brothers or sisters. Often it can be quite extreme, leading to bitter and toxic quarrels in childhood, sometimes leading to a lifetime of enmity and resentment, especially when there is much at stake in rich and powerful dynasties, fighting over who will inherit the crown or the business empire. Such has been the stuff of legend from the Bible’s Cain and Abel, or Isaac and Ishmael, to Game of Thrones and Succession in our own day.

A Bible story has it that brothers Jacob and Esau fought even in the womb. Genesis 25:26 tells us that Esau was born before Jacob, who came out holding onto his older brother’s heel as if he was trying to pull Esau back into the womb so that he could be firstborn. In genetic terms, sibling rivalry would make more sense for fraternal twins than identical ones. Instead of going there, though, my thoughts on seeing this eye-catching image turned to what my mother told me about her own experiences carrying my brother and, years later, me. My big bro, she said, had been a fighter from the start, kicking inside her as though demanding to be let out. But I was so still she kept worrying she’d lost me. Clearly, my subsequently successful ā€œno troubleā€ strategy for winning parental love as a toddler had its basis in my innate temperament rather than a child’s observation-based analysis of fraternal politics.

My older Big Brother and I were too far apart in age (six years) for intense rivalry in childhood. He was so clever, sophisticated, strong, and athletic there was just no contest. He was awesome to me and my parents alike. I hero-worshipped him. If there were to be a battle between us over who was more worthy of parental investment in our future, he should have won hands down.

Except it wasn’t that simple. Bro was actually quite jealous (as he confessed to me decades later) because I somehow stole a lot of parental attention. Part of it was inevitable of course. I can claim no personal merit whatever in being younger and smaller, which automatically made me cuddlier and cuter! But additionally, unlike my slightly too self-assured and rebellious brother, I was also pleasantly ā€œlow maintenanceā€ for Mum and Dad. Bro must have been heartily sick and tired of hearing how I was no trouble at all, a Little Angel! Looking back, there must have been times when he could cheerfully have murdered me. Well, thanks, Bro, for not yielding to that temptation! Until he died a few years ago we remained in wary but amicable correspondence with each other, and he will always be my hero.

What we had each managed in childhood was to win parental investment through different self-marketing strategies: Bro’s fitness in evolutionary terms was never in any doubt. He was an Alpha male all the way. So instead of trying to compete by being fitter in the crude understanding of the ā€œsurvival of the fittestā€ – tough, and dominant – I found myself slotting smoothly into a different evolutionary niche, that of a useful, well functioning, Beta male. Rather than making my mark as a leader, I would be the ā€œniceā€ sibling, adorable as a kid and seen by Mum and Dad as a gentle and cooperative child, and also one with a viable future. They could be confident I would become a reliable worker, the sort of loyal team player employers are keen on. Fit, as it were, for survival in the workplace.

Or if I were to be any sort of leader it would be in some sort of ā€œcaringā€ occupation, or a quietly scholarly role – I was always ā€œbookishā€ enough to suggest that possibility. Mum often called me ā€œmy little professorā€, and once she told me she thought I might become a missionary, taking Christianity to the empire Britain still had in those days, perhaps even becoming a bishop! She also thought I would make a good husband and father one day. Plenty of girls would love a ā€œsteady earnerā€ – a nice, regular guy who would stick around though thick and thin and be great with the kids. Genetic mission accomplished!

Well, things don’t always go to plan, do they? A key take-away is that just as weather forecasts these days are based on scientific observations and modelling but are still not entirely reliable, neither are predictions about people. There are just too many variables, including random unknowns. Our futures are not determined by our genes, only influenced by them. This doesn’t mean evolutionary psychology is useless bollocks. We would be foolish to ignore its insights, just as no wise mariner would ignore a storm warning.

Parental investment, Trivers explained, is also implicated in the battle of the sexes. When Darwin introduced the concept of sexual selection, he observed that in most species, males compete and females choose, but he had no idea why. Trivers explained the contrast by noting that in most species the minimalĀ parental investments of males and femalesĀ differ. Pinker again:

Males can get away with a few seconds of copulation; females are on the hook for metabolically expensive egg-laying or pregnancy, and in mammals for years of nursing. The difference translates into differences in their ultimate evolutionary interests: males, but not females, can multiply their reproductive output with multiple partners. Darwin’s contrast can then be explained by simple market forces. And in species where the males investĀ moreĀ than the minimum (by feeding, protecting, or teaching their offspring), males are more vulnerable than females to infidelity (since they may be investing in another male’s child) and females are more vulnerable to desertion (since they may bear the costs of rearing their mutual offspring alone).Ā 

In another landmark, Trivers turned to relations among people who are not bound by blood. No one doubts that humans, more than any other species, make sacrifices for non-relatives. But Trivers recoiled from the romantic notion that people are by nature indiscriminately communal and generous. It’s not true to life, he thought, nor is it expected. Instead, he noted, nature provides opportunities for a more discerning form of altruism, in which there is an exchange of benefits. One animal can help another by grooming, feeding, protecting, or supporting them, and is helped in turn when the need arises. Everybody wins.Ā 

Trivers called itĀ reciprocal altruism, and noted that it can evolve only in a narrow envelope of circumstances. That is because it is vulnerable to cheaters who accept favours without returning them. The altruistic parties must recognise each other, interact repeatedly, be in a position to confer a large benefit on others at a small cost to themselves, keep a memory of favours offered or denied, and be impelled to reciprocate accordingly. Reciprocal altruism can evolve because cooperators do better than no-cooperators. They enjoy the gains of trading surpluses of food, pulling ticks out of one another’s hair, saving each other from drowning or starvation, and babysitting each other’s children. Reciprocators can also do better over the long run than the cheaters who take favours without returning them, because the reciprocators will come to recognise the cheaters and shun or punish them.Ā 

Reciprocal altruists must be equipped with enough brain power to recognise and remember individuals and what they have done. That helps explain why Homo sapiens, the most social species, is also the smartest one; human intelligence evolved to deal with people, not just predators and tools. We must also be equipped with moral feelings that implement the tit-for-tat strategy necessary to stabilise cooperation. Sympathy and trust prompt people to extend the first favour. Gratitude and loyalty prompt them to repay favours. Guilt and shame deter them from hurting or failing to repay others. Anger and contempt prompt them to avoid or punish cheaters.Ā 

Language has played a distinctive and critical role in this reciprocal altruism. Because we are language users, any tendency of an individual to deal fairly or cheat, lavish or stint, will quickly become known to others. Quite literally, word will soon get around about their reputation. And because our reputation affects our ability to secure favours (it is all about our credibility and ā€œcredit ratingā€, stretching from our buddies to our bankers) it will be in our interests to have a good reputation. Most of us find the easiest way to do that is to pay our bills and buy our round at the pub without trying to wriggle out of such obligations at every opportunity.

But that’s not the end of the story. The most profound aspect, Trivers’ greatest discovery, is where he goes next. We are all familiar with the notion that we sometimes fool ourselves. Self-deception, like sibling rivalry, is a frequent theme in literature, especially the potentially tragic consequences of failing to ā€œknow thyselfā€, as in Shakespeare’s King Lear. What Trivers uniquely added to the story is how self-deception evolved, and how it can work to an individual’s advantage rather than always ending badly. Indeed, unless it conferred some benefits it would be hard to explain why so many humans have become so good at it: if the consequences were always tragic, those who routinely deceived themselves, becoming completely detached from reality, would have been seen as idiots, or crazy. They would never have found sexual partners who wanted to have children with them, and any genes promoting the self-deception trait would have died out.

The best thing of all (from an evolutionary standpoint) would be to get people to help us without returning their assistance, but also without damaging our reputation. So as well as developing a co-operative instinct, we also evolve the capability to deceive other people with lasting success.

This, Trivers realised, led to two further steps in evolution. The first is that we develop strategies for spotting this deception. Second, we develop even more sophisticated methods to ensure our deception evades detection. This escalating arms race between deception and detection culminates in the supreme form of deception. We deceive ourselves.

Zoologist Desmond Morris, who died this week aged 98. A popular TV broadcaster for decades, his book The Naked Ape (1967) became an international bestseller. Like Trivers, he was criticised for advancing speculative theory, often sneered at as “just so” stories, notably by those who saw socially conservative, or right-ring, implications in his ideas, including the suggestion that gender roles have an evolutionary rather than a purely cultural background. Trivers’ theory has found extensive empirical support since the 1970s. While a lot of Morris’s work is still considered sound, some of his more socially conservative ideas have been less well supported.

Danny Finkelstein tells us that Trivers, in his book The Folly of Fools (2011) explains that when we knowingly lie and deceive we often worry about being caught out, and our nervousness gives us away. Other people can see through it. They are watching keenly because they have evolved to watch keenly. So we have evolved, in retaliation, a way to avoid being caught out: we deceive ourselves. Then, a stray glance or a nervous move won’t let us down. If we truly believe we are being honest, we will be able to look others straight in the eye and speak with passion and conviction.

This routinely works brilliantly for the ardent young man with an ’ardon, eager to get a chaste girlfriend’s knickers down. All he needs to do is believe he loves her, he’d die for her, he’ll be hers till the end of time, till the stars cease to shine… That strength of belief comes all too naturally for many guys, even if ā€œthe end of timeā€ turns out to be the end of the month, or whenever the first quarrel or inconvenience comes along. If it’s that shallow, of course, reputation will ultimately suffer, but there are plenty of entirely sincere serial Prince Charmings for whom it always works like a charm.

My first encounter with this theme would have been way back in the 1970s when I read The Selfish Gene. Trivers wrote a foreword in which he included a couple of sentences on self-deception. I have no memory of this (Pinker’s article reminded me) and I am sure the significance of a brief few lines would have escaped me at the time.

Much more important to me was the appearance of Wright’s The Moral Animal a couple of decades later, which gives an extensive account of Trivers’ insights, especially how the simple basis of reciprocal altruism (ā€œYou scratch my back and I’ll scratch yoursā€) grew into deep moral convictions as to what constitutes fairness and justice, underpinning not just personal exchanges of favours but also much bigger concepts, such as the Golden Rule (ā€œDo as you would be done byā€), the Rule of Law, and even the high concept of Human Rights.

When I encountered Wright’s book in the 1990s, it struck me as the most profound non-fiction work I had ever read, beating Darwin, Freud, Marx, you name it, and leaving even great poetry, drama and novels struggling to match its meaning for me. Would I still recommend it today? Absolutely, except for the fact that genetics has taken giant leaps forward in recent times. Trivers’ insights are still valid (just as Darwin’s are still foundational) but these days I would choose a book, or perhaps a few expert podcasts, that goes into the co-evolution of genes and culture. No serious scholar would claim these days that the human story is just about either the genes we inherit or the culture we grow up in, shaping our learning and behaviour. The story is one of both/and not either/or.

On that basis, I am guessing the best fairly recent book would be The Ape that Understood the Universe: How the Mind and Culture Evolve, by Steve Stewart-Williams, 2019. I haven’t read it yet, but the publisher’s description and expert reader recommendations make it a tempting one to put on my list to get around to. I’d love to hear from any heretics here who know this book already and can give us their verdict,Ā or make other recommendations.Ā 

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Three study excerpts about the psychological impact of shame were posted to Newgon recently. My thanks to the author who did so.

Feiring, C., Simon, V. A., & Cleland, C. M. (2009). Childhood sexual abuse, stigmatization, internalizing symptoms, and the development of sexual difficulties and dating aggression. ‘Journal of consulting and clinical psychology’, 77(1), 127–137. doi:10.1037/a0013475

[A] longitudinal study of 160 ethnically diverse youth with confirmed CSA histories. […] Stigmatization (abuse-specific shame and self-blame) and internalizing symptoms (posttraumatic stress and depressive symptoms), more than abuse severity, explained which youth with CSA histories experienced more sexual difficulties and dating aggression. Stigmatization was found to operate as a predictive mechanism for subsequent sexual difficulties.

Pulverman CS, Meston CM. (2020). Sexual dysfunction in women with a history of childhood sexual abuse: The role of sexual shame. ”Psychol Trauma”. doi: 10.1037/tra0000506.”’

Sexual shame completely mediated the relationship between history of CSA and sexual function, and explained this relationship better than any of the other candidate mechanisms. […] For women with CSA histories treatments that aim to reduce sexual shame may improve sexual function.

Graziani, C., & Chivers, M. L. (2024). Sexual Shame and Women’s Sexual Functioning. ”Sexes”, 5(4), 739-757. doi:10.3390/sexes5040047”’

Childhood sexual abuse (CSA) is established as a dominant risk factor for later sexual problems for women, including low sexual desire, problems with arousal and orgasm, sexual pain, and low sexual satisfaction. Sexual shame has been highlighted as a primary affective mechanism explaining the relationship between CSA and sexual functioning difficulties [15,93,95,100,101,102,103].

Perhaps if your sources are in Arabic or any number of world languages, you can write the summary in Arabic to save us non-Arabic readers the unnecessary download.

Failing this, provide an excerpted translation of a key passage, or extended summary in English, and all of this might be useful.

I understood nothing from my iOS translator, but it is written in the abstract that “the Iraqi legislator did not permit consensual sex between children” and “Iraqi law contains deterrent penalties, including the death penalty, for perpetrators of child molestation.” I’m wondering whether it is the underage perpetrator him-/herself or his/her parents to be executed.

CHILDREN as young as five are mimicking the provocative behaviour of scantily clad pop stars, a study shows.

Research by University of South Australia academic Lesley-Anne Ey found that raunch culture is rampant among children, who are learning to pout and thrust by watching music videos.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/raunchy-popstars-a-bad-influence-on-kids/news-story/27f887a0b2420dec2e75b0d35b75c747

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Guys cool it with the racism against Russians

Dismissing a trend of decades among MAPs, explicitly supporting weakening Russia, even defending the likes of Tatchell, conspiracy theories, e.g. Russiagate, and burning trade unionists in Odessa, is apparently easy.

If you read carefully, in fact at all, finding no such statements here would be trivial exercise.

Please refer to my Twitter on why this is a death cult. This is probably the most cringe thing I have read on this site aside from saying we need a tactical alliance with zoophiles

From Shaggit er, Reddit:

I remember I was babysitting a toddler once. He was my mom’s cousin’s son, so I guess my second cousin. Anyways, he was 2-3, I was probably around 12. He asked me to play a game. I said okay. He climbed under the covers so I did too. Then he said “okay, now we take off our clothes and we kiss”. I immediately said NOPE! Unfortunately, I was too young and scared to tell an adult, but yes. Kids ABSOLUTELY learn this behavior. Touching themselves is one thing, but trying to include others is outside the norm.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Parenting/comments/1jtjok3/4yearold_inappropriate_humping/

On a fact finding trip, it was noted that peasant mothers in Russia often suck the penis of toddlers to help them fall asleep. We have better ways of helping babies fall asleep and I’m glad the Soviets found it distasteful. We should respect their AoC laws and their success in creating better practices among the masses

>We should respect their AoC laws

Why respect repressive Puritan laws that disrespect natural erotic laws of minors wanting sexual expression, including AAMs wanting sex with attractive adults?

https://www.uofmhealth.org/health-lab/young-children-and-masturbation-should-you-worry

Rind B, Rieger G. Associations between five forms of child maltreatment and depression: a multilevel meta-analytic comparison. Psychological Medicine. 2026;56:e89. doi:10.1017/S003329172610381X

We synthesized data from 12 eligible meta-analytic reviews (those assessing at least emotional, physical, and sexual abuse, and providing effect size data), extracting 563 effect sizes from 217 depression risk studies and 501 effect sizes from 157 depression severity studies. […]

Across all analytic layers, emotional abuse showed the strongest association with depression, and sexual abuse the weakest.

Bruce Rind’s latest. Published a little while ago, Bruce teamed up with senior psychologist Gerulf Rieger for this one. Gerulf was once a PhD student under Michael Bailey, and has focused on empirical studies of transgender people and sex differences. It’s great that they’ve been able to find some common ground and work together; and while I find their paper a dry to read, their findings are nonetheless important.

Predictors of adolescent sexuality: DOI 10.1186/s40359-026-04971-y
 
Beaten by pedohunters:
https://newtimes.kz/obshchestvo/220131-samosud-nad-predpolagaemym-pedofilom-v-astane-chto-izvestno-o-rezonansnom-video
 
«sexual abuse at the age of 18 when her abusive brother was 12.5 years old» : DOI 10.1177/16094069261453903
 
Teachers must paw: DOI 10.1080/09575146.2026.2685573
 
«Minors Identified as Sex Traffickers»: DOI 10.1080/23322705.2026.2674543
 
No CSA-Anxiety and CSA—Internet Dependence Associations: DOI 10.1016/j.brat.2026.105099
 
Pathologizing elderly sexuality: DOI 10.1016/j.ypsc.2026.05.006
 

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This site has covered the case of Stephen Ireland, of flamboyant Pride in Surrey organizer to fallen angel fame. Julie Bindel, TERF feminist, has taken up the case for a whopping 4-part podcast series! Not pleasant, but thought I’d mention it here for those who may be interested.

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/pride-and-predator-17d

The LGBT+ movement is one of the greatest charades of all time. It claims to fight for sexual freedom and against the oppression of sexual minorities, but it is complicit in the extreme repression suffered by millions of MAPs worldwide, in the suffering of millions of minors who are forced to end their consensual relationships with adults and who are subjected to harsh police interrogations, brainwashing by psychologists, social shame and humiliating trials. It is also complicit in the many suicides and murders of MAPs and in the immense suffering of the families of MAPs and minors who are repressed by this unjust system. For all these reasons, I consider the LGBT+ movement to be one of the main culprits behind all this repression.

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A 24-year sentence is wild. Sounds particularly harsh and excessive. Not quite a death sentence, but not far off considering Stephen Ireland’s age: he’s not “old” but not really “young” either… Hopefully, he’ll get out early on good behavior.

Also, you confused me with someone else here. But no worries, such things happen and wen we’ve got lots of people commenting and emailing etc., it can be hard to keep track of who’s who.

Tom O’Carroll Author Reply to  Prue 2 days ago

>Thanks, Steve….er Prue?

The “LabouchĆØre Amendment” would be a trivial difference between a Feminist feminist (nice typo) and the same Proud feminist tradition (e.g. hating the family), which typically takes pride of place in “MAP” activism.

I seem to recall Hubbard, also bemoaning the slight penalties (ie: decades) for US heterosexuals, as even his (cooked) sample showed a significant difference only for some 20 men, involved with teenage boys, not the wider sample of 100s.

I, genuinely, do not understand the selective outrage here, regarding e.g. Ireland, in light of the above.

The government says Britain will become the first country in the world to stop children taking, sharing, or viewing naked pictures on their devices.

Companies have three months to make changes or the government will bring forward legislation to force them, the PM said.

(BBC News, 8 June 2026)

Sickening! Yet 15 rated films have nudity in them! Its almost making me vote reform. No, i dont think ill vote at all all parties seem to be freedom hating. Reform did seem concerned about the online protection bill though. And yet the age of criminal responsibility is 10! The hypocrisy is gargantuan. And they want the voting age reduced? Sigh…

Write to them, Tom.

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May I write to them?

I’m not a UK citizen, and my reputation may only make it worse.

To ban videogames as well: DOI 10.1111/1468-5922.70057

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Perverse Anglo Puritans profit from OBSCENE images of human bodies including children painfully destroyed by Anglo-made wars & famine, are mainstream free to view for all ages..

While centuries of publicly celebrated art and sculptures of human bodies showing or sharing pleasure, echoed by modern humans including children showing or sharing pleasure are now ‘harmful to children’? FUCK OFF!!

Meanwhile tech savvy Anglo Oz horny kids piss on perverse new Anglo Puritan laws.
Bwah! Ha Ha Ha!!!

https://reason.com/2026/04/17/most-young-australians-successfully-evade-the-countrys-social-media-ban/

Kids don’t want investigation

Ā«research has also shown that supportive interviewer behavior, such as rapport-building, encouragement, and nonjudgmental support, aimed at enhancing children’s emotional comfort and cooperation, is associated with increased disclosure among reluctant children and may help reduce the potential harm associated with recounting abusive experiences (Fernandes et al., in press; Lamb et al., 2011; Lamb et al., 2018).Ā»

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«In practice, however, judges often allow prosecutors and attorneys to address questions directly to the child.»

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Ā«In addition, the presence of a specially qualified professional to assist the child during the hearing is mandatory. Nevertheless, the law does not specify this professional’s precise role, functions, or level of involvement. As a result, the extent of their participation depends largely on the presiding judge’s discretion and may range from explaining the procedure to the child and managing emotional distress during the hearing to conducting the interview directly with the child (Portuguese Penal Code, art. 271).Ā»

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Ā«Children’s responses were classified into the following categories: responsive, unresponsive, omissions, resistance, and denials.Ā»

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Ā«denials referred to statements rejecting the occurrence of the alleged abuse (e.g., ā€œnothing happenedā€ when the child had previously indicated otherwise). Because omissions, resistance, and denials occurred infrequentlyĀ»

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«7.95% as reluctant, and 0.15% as unresponsive. Children produced a mean of 778.29 (SD = 922.65) words per interview. Across all interviews, children provided a total of 35,193 details (M = 274.95, SD = 346.38). Of these, 60.72% were classified as central details (M = 166.95, SD = 222.07), whereas 39.28% were peripheral details (M = 107.99, SD = 136.69).»

DOI 10.1016/j.chiabu.2026.108159
 
Not to admit women to be paedophiles: https://youtu.be/n0BEnEorWqE
 
Association CSA—learning burnout non-direct: DOI 10.1016/j.jad.2026.122093
 
How education influences sexual health: DOI 10.1007/s10964-026-02364-3
 
Pathologizing adolescent protest: DOI 10.1177/01650254261453244
 
Trauma of having your partner investigated: DOI 10.1093/jsxmed/qdag118.178
 
No “victimization”—sadism, association: DOI 10.1093/jsxmed/qdag118.244
 
Dangerous Google queries: DOI 10.48550/arXiv.2606.06126 & DOI 10.48550/arXiv.2606.06417
 
Censors traumatised: DOI 10.1002/jts.70087 & DOI 10.7302/dspace/29938

Killed in prison: https://www.instagram.com/p/DZRcS0rI0oW/
 
Authority abuse prevents correction
Punishment should not be harsher than it is legally prescribed: DOI 10.1177/00111287261457352
 
Cleveland 2.0: DOI 10.1115/DMD2026-1078
 
Censoring classics: DOI 10.1093/sq/quag033 & https://observatorial.com/news/entertainment/1732223/dispute-over-nude-scene-wim-wenders-false-movement-withdrawn-from-circulation-for-the-time-being/

Could easily have been a MAP Malkinson, victim of deeply unprofessional UK cops in the early 2000s. Weirdly much admired by EtTuPrue reviewing ‘The Hunt For Britain’s Fake Mediaphiles’ ?

A woman who picked out Andy Malkinson in a video identity parade after being raped told a jury she later had doubts he was the man who had attacked her after seeing him in court, but police officers told her she had “got the right man” and it was just “trial nerves”.
Asked if she could remember specifically who it was who had reassured her, the woman replied it was someone “higher” than a policeman.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde4j20jr6jo

Raping when sleepwalking: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/heal-the-mind-to-heal-the-body/202603/this-sleep-problem-can-lead-to-sexual-assaults
 
The last cases of MAPocide
https://dzen.ru/a/Z8VnTzFJlg1AA1HB
https://tengrinews.kz/accidents/britancy-ustroili-samosud-nad-pedofilom-25145/
https://argumenti.ru/world/2026/05/998593
https://news.rambler.ru/incidents/55391816-polskie-podrostki-ustroili-samosud-nad-obvinennym-v-pedofilii-ukraintsem/
https://www.mk.ru/incident/2025/08/08/roditeli-shkolnikov-ustroili-samosud-nad-pokhotlivym-uchitelem.html
https://cultogore.net/threads/coleccion-de-pedofilos-muertos-heridos-torturados-descripcion-de-todos-los-videos.7975/
 
«guilt due to how their bodies responded to what happened» : DOI 10.3389/fpsyg.2026.1642503
 
No CSA-EI association
«Heleniak and McLaughlin (2020) identified that emotional abuse, but not physical or sexual abuse, was associated with impaired affective theory of mind.» : DOI 10.1007/s40653-026-00924-0
 
Problematizing AOC 18: DOI 10.1016/j.jadohealth.2026.04.008

Luxembourg: While the Prime Minister is promising the anti-child ban in social media, the Committee for the Protection of Data has created cartoons and video games where minors are struggling against cookies, groomers, etc. as superheroes: https://leonora-gdpr.lu/

Comparing online and offline female offenders: DOI 10.1177/10775595261453526
 
Deepfake creation predictors: DOI 10.1080/13552600.2026.2678434
 
Child sexuality predictors: DOI 10.1080/13552600.2026.2680475
 
No CSA-Derailment Association: DOI 10.1007/s40653-026-00920-4
 
Scaring away from sex with the help of fairy tales: DOI 10.1016/j.pedn.2026.05.047

MAPs prefer rotten-toothed: DOI 10.1111/eos.70111
 
Believing in childish sexuality is racism: DOI 10.1080/13691058.2026.2669280
 
«increases sexual assault risk up to 14-fold» despite of «under-detection» : DOI 10.1016/j.chiabu.2026.108132

Two points are suspicious here.

The teens claim to be Ā«threatened, intimidated, or forced (…) to have sexual intercourse or any other sexual act against (their) willĀ» by someone Ā«identified (as) an intimate partner or friendĀ». It would have been doubtful for minors to identify their assailants as partners & friends if it had been really against their will.

The true result of this study is nocebo & Rosenthal effect being associated with dental problems, instead of CSA itself.

Otherwise, teenage episodes (really compulsory) would have shown similar harm, but they did not: «This analysis showed that adolescents who experienced sexual assault before the age of 12 were less likely to use dental services in the previous year, whereas no association was observed among those who experienced abuse during adolescence.»

I used to quote other studies showing that people are prone to consider their sexual experience as compulsory when they grow older and more educated: DOI 10.1093/geroni/igad104.3018 & DOI 10.46827/ejphs.v6i2.159

No direct CSA-anxiety & CSA-selfharm associations: DOI 10.3389/fpsyg.2026.1823137

I try to expose peoples hypocrisy on facebook and what i get? ‘check this guys hard drive’. Im wondering what percentage of this country is actually thick. Im thinking maybe 80% or is that just people who use Facebook, im guessing intelligent people generally dont actually use it much. I guess im a sucker for pumishment.
. Its astonishing how violent people are too, people saying stuff like ‘disembowel’. We really havent progressed from the 17th century.

At least you are not banned from there.

It’s standard stuff in most popular online spaces. Would you really expect any different?

Say what you want to say, ideally provide some links to evidence which backs up what you’re saying, and move on. Rinse and repeat. :p

12YO Pocahontas had sex with 27YO Smith

According to the account of the English captain John Smith… When the Indians were about to smash Smith’s skull, the chief’s 12-year-old (according to R. Rimini, 11-year-old⁵) daughter shielded his head with her own, and the warriors did not dare to kill her chosen one. After which they allegedly spent their first night together.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ŠŸŠ¾ŠŗŠ°Ń…Š¾Š½Ń‚Š°Ń
She allegedly saved his life again, ā€˜two years later’.
 
Stabbed by her mother and accused of violence: https://argumenti.ru/world/2026/05/998593
 
Sympathetic therapist—more relapse: DOI 10.1177/15248380261451838
 
No «Victimization»-Offending Correlation: DOI 10.1080/10538712.2026.2681207
 
Anti-MAP Edu 4 Teachers (Effective): DOI 10.1080/10538712.2026.2681211
 
Castrating retards—no guarantees & harmful: DOI 10.1155/crps/6191292

“Victims” have no Alcohol/Drug Addiction
See table 5 in DOI 10.64898/2026.05.28.26354276
 
Antis Don’t Care About Kids: DOI 10.1891/VV-2022-0217
 
Autists’ Parents vs. Puberty in Muslim Country: DOI 10.1007/s11195-026-09951-z

«Unwanted Arousal During Rape»
DOI 10.1177/08862605261450917
 
No CSA—cortical excitability correlation
DOI 10.1016/j.pnpbp.2026.111761
 
Underage CP offenders 

«Recent UK data indicate, for example, that children aged 10 to 17 initiated more than half of recorded CSEA incidents (VKPP, 2024). A high proportion of CSEA, and of SHE between children, entails partly or solely digital technology. International studies show, for instance, that between 3% and 12% of children have digitally created, produced, published, distributed, or exchanged audio-visual sexual content of another child without their consent (Brighi et al., 2023; Henry and Powell, 2018; Madigan et al., 2018).

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Ā«Terms such as ā€˜perceived first person CSEAM’, ā€˜image based sexual violence/abuse in adolescence’ (e.g., MartĆ­nez-RomĆ”n et al., 2025)’ or ā€˜peer-to-peer sexual harassment or abuse during childhood’ (e.g., Hunt et al., 2024) are, in turn, used to refer to specific artifacts (e.g., CSEAM) and behaviours (e.g., non-consensual sexting), sometimes in overlapping ways (see Themelidis and Lorenzo-Dus (2025) for a systematic review).

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«The children involved remain, first and foremost, children who, as research shows (e.g., Faure-Walker and Hunt, 2022; McPherson et al., 2024), are often victims themselves.

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«developmental continuum, which ranges from typical sexual exploration to developmentally inappropriate or abusive behaviours (Hackett, 2010)

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«Secondly, the behavioural motivation patterns and psychosocial make-up of children who engage in OSHE differ from those by adult sex offenders (see, e.g., Fanniff and Kimonis, 2014; Ryan and Otonichar, 2016). These children tend to have lower rates of reoffending and to show more positive responses to interventions than adult sexual offenders. They also frequently experience learning, cognitive dysfunctions and/or disabilities (Cale et al., 2016; Christiansen and Vincent, 2013; Fanniff and Kolko, 2012). Policies to address OSHE between children should therefore not simply mirror those built on adult offender theories (Cale et al., 2016; Warner and Bartels, 2015; Craig 2020).

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«Girls are disproportionately affected by sexual harassment and abuse in schools, often experiencing these behaviours as routine and normalised, which may obscure recognition and response (Setty et al., 2025).

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«Pre-adolescent children are more likely to display problematic rather than intentionally abusive behaviours, often because of exposure to developmentally inappropriate sexual experiences or trauma (Malvaso et al., 2020). Their behaviours may reflect attempts to process or communicate distress, rather than deliberate harm, and require developmentally sensitive responses (McNeish and Scott, 2023).

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«Adverse life experiences, such as trauma, physical abuse and neglect, may underlie its onset (Forkey and Conn, 2018). Social and environmental risk factors (e.g. exposure to pornography), as well as biological aspects, may also play a part (Mori et al., 2023; Pathmendra et al., 2023).

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«reciprocal exchange of intimate images within consensual sexting between children

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Ā«During adolescence especially, new affective and sexual relationships may be experienced, from falling in love to having the first sexual relations (RodrĆ­guez-Castro et al., 2021). Sexual content, including audio-visual content, plays a key part in the process of developing such relationships (GĆ”mez-Guadix et al., 2022; Ojeda et al., 2022). A quantitative and qualitative study of Spanish children’s experiences of image-based sexual abuse revealed that many male and female adolescents did not identify such content as sexual cyber violence. Instead, they tended to consider it ā€˜as signalling normal sociability, harmless, and as being amusing’ (MartĆ­nez-RomĆ”n et al., 2025:2).

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«The challenges in removing CSEAM from digital spaces are known to trigger significant (re)victimisation in children (Dodge, 2020; Huber, 2023), including difficulties in building healthy inter-personal and intra-inter-group relationships (Martínez-RomÔn et al., 2025).

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«it points to a normalisation of sexual cyberviolence»

DOI 10.1016/j.pragma.2026.05.002

Since ancient art and sculptures In plain sight Worldwide for non-Anglos, images of Human bodies showing or sharing pleasure are harmless and inspiring to all ages.

While obscene modern images of human bodies including children painfully destroyed by endless Anglo-made wars and famine are harmful to all yet freely available to all-ages in Anglovile perverted mainstream media.

Anglovile perverted prohibition doesn’t work, quote pro-Social Anglo FDR on repealing the 13year anti-social Anglovile U.S. prohibition act, “This calls for a drink!”

Quote anti-Anglovile perverted prohibition of harmless images, pro-social Pup, “This calls for a Worldwide all-ages wank!”

«Mobile Application for Screening the Risk of Premarital Sex»
DOI 10.1186/s12889-026-27807-1
 
Imprisoned because of child drawings
DOI 10.1007/s10896-026-01120-2
 
«When children did disclose, they relied primarily on informal channels, especially friends, rather than formal reporting mechanisms such as police or helplines.»
DOI 10.1038/s41586-026-10525-4
 
Parents vs. menarche 

«proactive communication improves preparedness; maternal education matters

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«• Misleading information on the internet.

• Misconceptions about pubertal timing.

•  Guilt and self-blame during diagnosis.

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«• Unnecessary doctor referrals.

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«• Avoidance or discomfort in discussing puberty.

•  Fear-based or incomplete communication.

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«• Requests for intervention to stop puberty.

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«• Limited parental knowledge of pubertal norms.

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«unnecessary doctor visits. Parents indicated that they would prefer aggressive care during the first hospital visit of their child, even in cases when no overt daily problems were reported.

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«Some parents held on to the misconceptions about the normal timing of puberty; along with the over-emphasis of early puberty by the electronic media, this exacerbated unnecessary pediatric endocrinology referrals

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«Parents had trouble making decisions when it came to medical treatment. Parents insisted on surgery to suppress pubertal development despite the functional state of their daughters. They claimed they were concerned, humiliated, and worried about their girls not being able to handle their early sexual life and potential rejection by peers.

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«most parents seek unverified resources on the internet and have false ideas about what is both normal and early puberty, which causes anxiety and unnecessary doctor appointments.

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«Stress levels of mothers are positively correlated to the quality of life of their daughters,6 and maternal distress levels during the time of diagnosis are elevated even when there is no other significant psychological dysfunction among children

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«trends where puberty onset is being medicalized

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«trends where puberty onset is being medicalized,17 raising concerns about overdiagnosis, overmedicalization and overtreatment

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«Parents sometimes demanded that their daughters have permanent surgical interventions to stop puberty. While such requests are often based on genuine concerns about hygiene management, vulnerability to sexual abuse

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«Such findings highlight the risk of overmedicalization of puberty processes»

DOI 10.1177/09731342261448641

Consenting to harm between adults: DOI
10.1111/1468-2230.70042

[MOD: The DOI isn’t finding it through Google. What is the paper?]

add the DOI code to the right of URL doi.org/

Burton, M. (2026), Consent and Gender-Based Violence: R v Hobday. Mod Law Rev.. https://doi.org/10.1111/1468-2230.70042

  • CSA Ā«not associated with luminal A tumorsĀ»: DOI 10.1007/s10552-026-02171-y
  • Philosophy of treating child sexuality as abuse: DOI 10.1080/13552600.2026.2673343
  • Paedophiles are versatile offenders—Non-/Under-paedophilic offenders are strictly specialized. Many CP-offenders are non-paedophilic: DOI 10.1177/10790632261454316

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Who are the antis UPticking EtTuPrue’s perverse backing of the early 2000s Dominant Narrative vile perverts cops-media who also persecuted victim MAPs O’Carroll and King?

Thanks for the prompt and candid reply, upticked by Pup..

Who might have an idea why normally balanced and stringent MOD accepts without pushback or comment an anti-MAP post perversely admiring vile perverts cops-media from the early 2000s who also persecuted victim MAPs TOC and King?

“Rape” treats adolescents from stress and depression
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42171514/

Also, there is an article about the role of disclosure in the minor’s suicide.

https:/x.com/i/status/2057112295730258298
I am procrastinating wildly with my dedicated response to Tom’s Trivers post. Whole rivers.of tangential thought still ‘getting in the way’ Seeing the ljnked video to these Afghani girls made me reel. And rock tp the tech-tonics of my pƦdOsoul.Would love to know if any heretiX are capable of expressing what they feel viewing this, a thing most assuredly not the fruits of AI (byvwhichweareknown)? The synchronic effect of near psychedelically inscribed-on-our-senses present helpless children, and something so erotically potent as to corkscrew the heart through ciontra-rotating cunnybeams, i will leave up to y’all to de-scribe…

Somethings happening in brasil; saw it in twitter. But its in Portuguese. Someone care to enlighten me. Too do with underage folk. And sexual stuff. Of course brasil is far more tolerant than the land of the unfree. Or is it getting worse

BBC – The Hunt for Britain’s Paedophiles – A documentary from 2002, it’s on YouTube in 3-parts and one of the most grounded, thought provoking pieces of media I’ve seen on the issue from the dominant pedo-negative perspective. It sparked a ton of complaints at the time, and explores the life of multiple men associated with the Hazel Ascot Appreciation Society, named after a tap-dancing British child-star from the 1930s who was billed as the “British Shirley Temple.”
The doc is about actual paedophiles, not “17-year-old children” or drawings or any of that nonsense; real, honest to God “child-lovers” with their unique and varied personalities and perspectives.

It is a documentary unlike anything I’ve ever seen before, and even if you just watch a part or two, I think readers here will find the doc both challenging and enlightening.

We see both the varying perspectives of law enforcement personnel, and the various men arrested who respond very differently when in front of the cameras… One of them is a particularly “unrepentant” man, a fascinating if challenging figure that contemporary society could simply not abide. Having documented his past sexual activity by taking photographs very openly, he is shameless and sees himself as a victim of persecution.

This is not a hate fest where low-IQ retards bait autistic people with barely underage teens and then film them in public for shits and giggles, threatening them or attacking them. It’s real law enforcement agents who deal with these issues in a highly professional manner overall, despite their personal disdain for the subject matter, some of whom are quite reasonable and understanding compared to the craziness rage-bait we see online today…

Much has changed since the 2000s, and this documentary is a fascinating window into the past that I highly recommend if you want to challenge yourself…

Yeh imagine me as an autistic person being baited by these meat heads. My lifes been bad enough with bullying than to deal with this. Currently im just looking at girls on the street. Happy to have a hug off a 25 yr old..but many desperate people with mental health issues end up having lives ruinedby these predators. Yup,the hunters are the predators!

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Miskwote Ye Bard, “Et tu Prue?” Always respect true, not fake, victims. Include millions of true victims of fake media grooming abuses. In Pup’s ‘Hunt For Fake Mediaphiles’, is ‘EtTuPrue’ a mainstream AI Bot brazenly boosting the fake dominant narrative on Saint MAP Tom’s “NOT The Dominant Narrative”?

In her vast pro-cops propaganda sickening screed, ‘EtTuPrue’ failed to even once use our much loved acronyms MAP/AAM often used by ‘True Prue’ and true MAPs. And normally perceptive true Prue somehow missed the BiasedBritCrap show’s main MAP (well known to Tom) asked by a gullible cop, “Why are you are on anti-depressants?” Main MAP rightly replied, “The state of the media in this country.”

Also missed by ‘EtTuPrue’, the main MAP (and other MAPs all proactively prosecuted from 1970s images legal when made) having shared many compliments and not one complaint from AAMs over long decades rightly nailed those callous age-obsessed racist scum UK cops for not one prosecution of serious child bloody torture Muslim FGM with tens of thousands of UK victim-survivors since it was made pan-EU illegal in 1985, and soon all but eliminated by education and prosecutions in caring mainland modern EU. Paraphrase a senior French prosecutrix to C4’s Jane Dodge in Y2K, “You age-and-sex-obsessed backward Victorian Brits have failed modern FGM victims due to your cowardly political correctness – because you’re Chicken!”

Forward France still celebrating (not prosecuting) first Lady ‘Love Magnet’ MAP Brigitte at age 39 shared illegal fun sex with future president horny AAM Emmanuel age 14. While forward France was the first nation to positively legalise consensual Gaysex as early as 1791. Exactly a century before Anglo-Irish genius gay MAP Oscar Wilde rightly wrote, “We are dominated by journalism” i.e. ‘Fake Media’, before he was falsely sentenced to serve 2-years hard labour for consensually ‘buggering boys’, and then fled to forward France and a premature death at age 45. Quote Victorian MAP Wilde in modern UK MAP Jonathan King’s 2008 self-made bold expose of fake-virtue signalling UK child-protection racket/mass deception bent cops-media, “Vile Pervert The Musical”… ‘There’s nothing wrong with buggering boys.’

The post ‘Love Generation’ 19Haties ongoing all Anglo fake Puritan-Victorian Child Protection Racket fake virtue signalling negative narrative (new ‘Patriotism’ last resort of scoundrels). Creating and exploiting their fake ‘Victims Industrial Complex’ growing sexponentially for profit and cash compensation with no evidence needed, deviously fake media masked, groomed and gaslit as so called ‘protection’ Worldwide before and since 2002.

And with profiteering book by SO5 Paedophlle Unit bent Chief Bob McLachlan who ran from main MAP’s enquiry about UK FGM mass victims criminally neglected by UK age-obsessed career cops scum and fake media BBC – Biased Brit COWARDS!

Always respect true, not fake, victims. Include millions of true victims of fake media grooming abuses.

Coincidentally, more recently “The Child Protection Racket: High-level Child Trafficking in Australia” 2023 by (trans gender ) Ms Dee McLachlan.

https://www.amazon.com/Child-Protection-Racket-High-level-Trafficking/dp/B0CPBM64MR

Vile Pervert The Musical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrgrNt5umLQ

This doc you linked, “Vile Pervert: The Musical,” has pretty good music despite being the most Boomer thing I’ve ever seen. The picture quality is reminiscent of 90s TV, and outside the music segments the audio quality is very much a man speaking into his camera quality…

Either way, a great, lively, fun effort from Jonathan King here. Really shows how talented he is. Certainly not a pushover who just cowers away in the shadows either.

I clicked through a bit but I’d happily look through to find all the segments of him talking and telling his story; I got to hear 1 such segment and I’d enjoy hearing more of his story in his own words.

Lastly, the flashing at the camera to start the film was weird. I know it fits the film title “Vile Pervert” well, but for a film that’s surely supposed to exculpate / vindicate you in some way – as a man especially – I’m not sure this was a good way to start… You could see it as funny and edgy (which it is), but I’m not sure the vast majority of people would see it that way. It could just as easily vindicate that this dude is a “vile pervert” with no further thought needed. Done. Click off.

Cool link though overall, well worth a look. :p

At least since true MAP Wilde, most true MAPs know that the real Vile Perverts are Anglo mass fake-media perverting the truth.on most issues not just young sex..Quote Anglo elite criminal Jonathan Aitken, “When I came down from Oxford my uncle Max (Anglo Canadian UK Express Group baron Lord Beaverbrook) said, “Why don’t you become a journalist my boy? All you have to do is go out and make mischief!”

>I clicked through a bit but I’d happily look through to find all the segments of him talking and telling his story; I got to hear 1 such segment and I’d enjoy hearing more of his story in his own words.

For some reason still avoiding our fave word ‘MAP’ EtTuPrue merely describes the package but missed the message. That insider King reveals in his deep satire-parody of fake virtue-signalling Met Child Protection Racket Cops backed by fake media , somehow admired by normally skeptical true Prue? 

Always respect true, not fake, victims. Include millions of true victims of fake media grooming abuses.

Have longtime victim MAP Tom and learned Professor Prue no comment?

On EtTuPrue’s AI/Bot anti-MAP perverse backing for self-justifying, Anglo fake virtue-waving, vile pervert cops/fake-media. Who, in the early 2000s psychopathically, sadistically prosecuted victim MAP King for historic ‘offences’ that never happened, and also trapped victim MAP Tom with their ‘Fake Sheikh’ Mazher Mahmood finally jailed for his criminal so called ‘journalism’.

While EtTuPrue in psychological denial omits the stark fact that self-justifying psychopathic Anglo racist sadist vile pervert cops-media still criminally neglect 1980s ongoing UK proven permanent child torture FGM. Victimising and threatening tens of thousands of UK Muslim young girls and women needing just a 1-minute medical to prove or disprove or prevent a case.

Proven Mass Derelictions of Duty in Public Office and Perversions of Justice by Anglo corrupt vile-pervert police-media. Far more serious than benign randy Andy Mount-Windsor or Dark Prince Mandelson’s alleged meddlings.

Always respect true, not fake, victims. Include millions of true victims of fake media mass grooming abuses.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/21/mazher-mahmood-timeline-fake-sheikh-rise-and-fall

Have longtime victim MAP Tom and learned Prof Prue no comment to make?

On the Anglo self-justifying psychopathic sadist racist scum cops-media. Still obsessed with witch-hunting benign MAPS via Victorian fake laws while criminally neglecting 1985 pan-EU law to protect tens of thousands of UK Muslim young girls true victims of vile FGM. As highlighted by the main MAP (unseen by blind EtTuPrue) in EtTuPrue’s 2002 BiasedBritCowards Witch-hunt farce. In the same period that victim MAPs king and Toc were persecuted for victimless ‘crimes’.

Bonus info: The BiasedBritCowards dir Bob Long(nose) told the main MAP, “You’ve caused a stir at the Yard.” MainMAP replied, “So they’re gonna drop all these fake charges against me from decades old photos, with many compliments shared and not one complaint” “No, they’re gonna start prosecuting UK FGM.” Decades later, still waitin’ SICK SUCKAS!!

Over to scholarly victim MAP Tom and learned Prof Prue??

  • FGM: Lack of convictions ‘a national scandal’ 15 Sep 2016

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37364079

I’m not going to watch the film, but your presentation is magnificent.

Sad, that superficial Cyril buys EtTuPrue’s grovelling ‘magnificent presentation’ of the vile perverts Anglo UK cops-media Dominant Narrative – on HTOC NOT The Dominant
Narrative.

Limited reply to please unlimited MOD?

Bonus info: as with most Anglo fake media docus including populist so called ‘Police Procedurals’ what’s missing is often most telling. Early Y2K Met Police SO5/Serious Offences 5, Paedophile Unit Scotland Yard ‘Operation Doorknock’ was de facto ‘Operation Phonetap’ constant phone-tapping without which they would have had next to nothing. Launched by a fake panic over one MAP seen with a then new ‘digital camera’ snapping boys in half-term Swiss Cottage public swimming baths, all known local MAPs were dawn raided and homes dismantled for hours by mob-handed specialist POLSAR Police Search & Recovery teams costing tens of thousands in public money (much admired by grovelling EtTuPrue). Eventually finding one home-made VHS tape plus drawings and photocopies. The unwitting GL MAP was charged with possession and his phone was 24/7 tapped for months until he was jailed for 6-months by which time some calls with other MAPs gave vile-perverts cops-media their fake panic further prosecutions and populist Dominant Narrative fake program much admired by grovelling EtTuPrue not interested in a true ‘Hunt for Fake Mediaphiles’..

Hi Tom….Here is some new information on Amos Yee, he’s back in his own country and has got into a bit of a scrape with someone. count Dankula who debated him around a decade ago thinks the subject of paedophilia was “won” and the debate is over somehow. From what I remember of the debate, it was no more than a shouting match with no real depth into the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXmOgWGny0

I spent a lot of time on youtube for years arguing with idiots. But at least i got my point across. If i post on that video,will people even see it? Yes, comments disappear…

It looks like I have predicted the future, if we go back to the last blog post “Lie Dammed Lies Epstein”

I said, The public might have been nice to him that week when he wrote what he wrote but that was just that week/month or whatever I myself am an outed MAP and some weeks they are nice and pleasant with me but other times they are a complete bastard with me and because of this I am now reduced to living on benefits/welfare for the rest of my life otherwise I could of become successful instead of having to live off the system and doing nothing for nobody like I currently do.

and this was a response to someone on Heretic was saying that life was good for Amos and well it looks like I was right.

Joe Rogan questions age limits, says he watched Traci Lords PIM from when she was 16 (Short clip)

The clip has apparently gone viral recently. And even if that wasn’t the case, it’s still funny / entertaining, and a window into how people really think – and what they would be willing to say publicly – in a less hostile society…

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it sickens me that people want to charge traci with lying, but if shes capable of being tried surely shes capable of the porn? hypocrite double standard contradictory scum!

I now see that this was a bigger deal than I’d realized, involving a protracted legal battle from 1986-1994. I.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._X-Citement_Video%2C_Inc. Snippets of articles tell me the following:

The decision granted the Clinton administration’s bid to reinstate a Los Angeles porn shop owner’s conviction for distributing sexually explicit videotapes made by Traci Lords when she was 15.

Lords was a well-known porn star when it was discovered in 1986 that she was underage when she made many of her sex films.

Lords, who is now pursuing an acting career in legitimate films, has admitted to lying about her age when the porn movies were made.

>So yeah, brave and funny that Joe Rogan would go on TV and shout straight into a camera that she was no “innocent little girl!” Props for honesty.

Yes ill buy him a drink! If u ever go to the us. Which i wont until it becomes free.. actually i cant go as i got a caution for um, assaulting someone. A mistake. Funny though, people gave me grief at first then started congratulating me. As it turns out he was a map….

[MODERATOR: 10 May 2026:

Cyril, you have posted eight further links today. I am going to stop this. Your enthusiasm is welcome but unfortunately your posting is so unselective that the noise to signal ratio has become unsustainably high.

What I mean is that most of what you post is routine stuff, much of it repetitive and adding little, if anything, of value to our corpus of knowledge. I am sure there are a few hidden gems to be found in it all, but the problem is the “hidden” bit. Neither I, nor I suspect you or anyone else here has the bandwidth to process all this material carefully, especially now that journal abstracts seem to be getting longer and longer.

My conclusion is that the best use of our mental resources is first to identify key information needs as and when required for specific projects and then to target AI-assisted searches accordingly. Your approach to information gets it the wrong way around. It’s a overwhelming bombardment of information with too little chance of being immediately useful.

So I would again ask you to engage your brain not just your search engine before posting links. Only post one item at a time and post no more than one per week, (otherwise I will delete them without reading). Make it the most important one, and tell us in your own words why you think it is important. Thank you.]

The correct designation is “signal-to-noise ratio”, usually measured in dB. In the case of Cyril the SNR has become unsustainably low.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio

This is a totally great little exchange and no mistake, gentle mapsteriosos. I’ve been hard pressed for eeeks now deciding whether to address George Frideric OR TO’C re the character of “evobiologist” R Trivers and shall have to bound topside to address both from a great hEiGhT tonight! May all oV your neuroplastic rigging hold tight!

S to N ratio is of course crucial as well in theory of information. But what ia the information we maphabs desire in advance of the “signal”? that would tell us all else is noise?

I disagree.

First, I think I have a better understanding of your informational needs.

Second, it is better if an MAP-friendly person searches for information on his own, without using the AI with its censorship.

You waste your time for Musk and Trivers, and I am the only person here who reads victimologic literature—if you wanna work effectively you should know the weak points of antis’ propaganda no less than I do.

CSA is voluntary

ā€˜The case of a four-year-old boy who was sexually abused by his father, who documented his actions. An expert demonstrated that the child ā€œdoes not attribute negative significance to the offender’s behaviourā€, which was linked to a stage of development typical of a four-year-old child, who is not yet capable of interpreting events adequately. On the other hand, the judge who ruled on this case used this opinion as a mitigating factor in justifying the sentence. Such an interpretation minimises the actual harm and ignores the fact that the consequences of sexual abuse can manifest themselves in the long term alongside the child’s cognitive and emotional development. Passages in the records depicting narratives that would offend a minor, for example, refer to alleged ā€˜carelessness’, wording that shifts responsibility onto the victim or is intended to induce a sense of shame.
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ā€˜The most distressing scenarios from the minor’s perspective involve the circle of people aware of the incident extending to the school environment, which is the child’s primary social sphere.
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ā€˜An analysis of case files also showed that in cases involving minors who independently produce intimate material or engage in sexual relationships with adults, insufficient consideration was given to the circumstances in which the child became involved in such relationships, including possible mechanisms of manipulation, exploitation of dependency, or prior victimisation. It should be noted that such behaviour may be linked to previous experiences of sexual abuse. Research shows that one of the possible consequences of childhood sexual abuse may be premature or heightened sexualisation of behaviour, which is understood as difficulties in setting boundaries, seeking attention through sexual behaviour, or internalised, dysfunctional relationship patterns.’
https://doi.org/10.63237/VTJJ2964
https://dzieckokrzywdzone.fdds.pl/index.php/DK/article/download/998/836

No separate link, page 73

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Powerty As Third Variable
https://doi.org/10.1111/desc.70213
 
Westermarck Disproved 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10896-026-01105-1
 
Victimology Escalates 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-026-05477-1
 
Against Victim/Offender Dichotomy 
https://doi.org/10.1177/17488958261436596
 
True Threat For Kids 
Ā«In the United States, child homicide rates are significantly higher than in other developed nations—5.3 per 100,000 compared to 0.6 in a sample of 41 countries (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 2019). Infant homicide rates are similarly elevated at 8.1 per 100,000, more than double the global average of 3.5 (Large et al., 2010). From 1976 to 2007, filicide arrests in the United States comprised 2.5% of all homicide arrests, totaling approximately 500 annually, though these figures likely underestimate the true scope due to underreporting, particularly for neonaticide, which can be concealed or misclassified (Klier, Fisher, et al., 2019; Mariano et al., 2014).
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Ā«some research suggests mothers are more likely to kill sons, while fathers are more likely to kill daughters (Dawson & Langan, 1994). Patterns shift when examining adult victims. For example, Mariano et al. (2014) found more than 75% of victims 18 or older were male. Johnson and Dawson (2024) found the average victim age was 4 years old in a Canadian coroner’s report sample of filicides involving victims 18 and under. Similarly, Mariano et al. (2014) found two-thirds of all filicides from a 32-year span of Supplemental Homicide Reports (SHR) cases involved victims 6 years of age or less. When examining relational distance, biological children comprise the overwhelming majority of filicide victims. Mariano et al. (2014) reported that more than 90% of victims were the biological offspring of the offender.
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«Victims were most commonly between the ages of 1 and 17 (52.9%)
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«Notably, the vast majority of victims (90.2%) were the biological children of the offender.»
https://doi.org/10.1177/08862605261444011
 
Threaten То Conceal Impossible 
«whether someone discloses or seeks help depends on whether the violence is recognized and defined as a problem, which is shaped by contextual factors such as cultural norms and stigma, and individual factors such as sociodemographic background, characteristics related to the violence exposure, and social network (Ullman, 2023c).
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«Findings suggest that older age at onset is associated with a higher likelihood of disclosure during adulthood (Alaggia et al., 2019; Bottoms et al., 2016; McElvaney, 2015).
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«Fear of severe injury or death has consistently been found to an increased likelihood of disclosing sexual and physical violence in childhood and adulthood (Ansara & Hindin, 2010; Barret & St. Pierre, 2011; Bottoms et al., 2016; Fanslow & Robinson, 2010; Lelaurain et al., 2017).»
https://doi.org/10.1177/08862605261441617
 
Penetration Risk <5% 
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psiq.2026.100911

Teens kill guy for sending messages.. dont have link,saw it on facebook. Dont really want to read it. All i know is he was 49 and was taken somewhere and killed with rocks. They got i think. 7 years for manslaughter. Fact is society has always been violent and ignorant. I hope they realise what they did one day wasnt right.. and once again teens proving they aren’t innocent. The killers were 15-16
.old enough to kill. Old enough for anything including messages…

Paedophilia “attractive for adolescents,
Who are experiencing problems in the family or with peers.
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“As a result of prolonged exposure, a paedophile causes an unhealthy attachment in a teenager, which can be mistaken for love.”
https://www.b17.ru/article/895757/
 
No pregnancy risk & No trauma 
«sexual abuse showed a significant association with partner age (r = 0.07, p = .02); no ACE domain was significantly associated with age gap. After adjusting for maternal age at first birth, sexual abuse remained significant (β = 1.24, 95% CI [0.12, 2.36], p = .030), but this association did not survive FDR correction for multiple testing (pFDR = 0.30).»
If Ā«victimsĀ» are said to be afraid of men, how can they prefer older partners? 
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2026.108080
 
Paedophiles beaten 
https://welcome.minsk.by/articles/66248.html?ysclid=moowpqm0cb548702737
https://ok.ru/video/9035125009

As for his apparently disgusting personality, that doesn’t tell me much about the goodness or badness of his work. I have no doubt that Tom is on this same boat.

Ah, social sciences. I’m sorry to be that guy in the room, but: take them with a grain of salt. I don’t deny that they have a role towards helping better understand reality, but my general feeling is that these days social sciences are largely overvalued. Since there are so many individualities and variables, it is often the case that one can learn more about human behavior by talking to an actual human than by reading an entire encyclopedia. 

This escalating arms race between deception and detection culminates in the supreme form of deception. We deceive ourselves… when we knowingly lie and deceive we often worry about being caught out… we have evolved, in retaliation, a way to avoid being caught out: we deceive ourselves.

This was an interesting part. I have always wondered why we have the ability to lie and to detect lies, at the same time. Sounds like a paradox. Evolution should (apparently) either favour one or the other! Why both?

It looks to me that, as with many things in life, it’s a gray area. We all want to be surrounded by people who always tell the truth, yes. But at the same time, being able to tell and pass a lie may sometimes be good for survival. Even, lieing may be a moral thing to do, for example, when you are with someone who acts abusively to you and you lie to escape the situation.

Like an evolutionary dance. An endless game about the (unsolvable) question of who to trust.

Quick question:

Would the observation that identical twins tend to be super-friendly with each other, be a supporting evidence of Trivers’ theories? In the sense that if you share exactly the same genes, there is nothing to compete with.

ā€œWhen I watched the girls all loving on Sam, I just felt sick in my stomach. I knew they were younger versions of me – and I knew that, some day, they would realise that is not love; that is actually survival.ā€
 ā€˜When I watched the girls loving this man, I felt sick’: the woman who exposed a polygamous paedophile
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/may/01/when-i-watched-the-girls-loving-this-man-i-felt-sick-the-woman-who-exposed-a-polygamous-paedophile?CMP=share_btn_url
 

Killed in prison 
https://spb.mk.ru/incident/2025/04/09/stali-izvestny-podrobnosti-smertelnogo-izbieniya-pedofila-v-peterburgskoy-kolonii.html
 
“Victims” are not aggressive and not cocaine addicted 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00737-026-01702-5
 
Willing CSA doesn’t harm 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40653-026-00898-z
 
No harm for body 
https://doi.org/10.1111/jpc.70406
 
Repeated preteen CSA doesn’t harm 
https://doi.org/10.1177/26884844261446169
 
Correlates of believing in child sexuality
https://doi.org/10.1177/15248380261443213
 
«multiple psychological mediators
… studies identify physical activity and social support as important protective factors that may buffer the impact of trauma on social anxiety.Ā»
https://doi.org/10.1080/10911359.2026.2666811
 
Only depressed survivors become alcoholics 
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2026.108077
 
Does not cause preterm birth 
«One U.S study that utilized self-reported maternal exposure to childhood maltreatment reported that only sexual abuse accompanied by physical force perpetrated by a non-parent/adult caregiver resulted in an increased risk of PTB, particularly for those whose abuse began after nine years of age (Cammack et al., 2019). However, other forms of parental abuse (physical, emotional and sexual) were not associated with PTB (Cammack et al., 2019).»
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1359178926000315
 
«Sexual abuse shows particularly strong associations with mental health problems in females. However, findings remain inconsistent across studies, and many investigations have not systematically examined gender as a moderating factor.»
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.actpsy.2026.106954

Hi Cyril

” What did I do wrong ? Ā» was my comment yesterday on another site, and Matt seems to know it”

Can you tell me what this site is so that I can have a look at it btw is it MAP related?

Its in cyrillic how i supposed to read it.! Im not aware of the existence of this site even… Only two map related places i go is here or fstube.

Paedohunting crimes 
https://www.stuartmillersolicitors.co.uk/paedophile-hunters-and-the-law/
 
No CSA—bad parenting correlation after statistical control 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40653-026-00895-2
 
AOC 18 as patriarchy 
https://doi.org/10.1177/09075682261440992
 
More than 60% of ДР watchers don’t reoffend
https://doi.org/10.1177/10790632261446632

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