The non-trivial legacy of Robert Trivers

Be warned, this one is a blockbuster: just one main blog item, considerably longer than usual and it will help a lot if you put your thinking cap on and take it at a gentle pace. Actually, the ideas involved are fundamentally quite simple but you will need to pay attention if most of this stuff is new to you. What’s it about? It’s a reflection on the work of Robert Trivers, a pioneer of evolutionary psychology who died recently. It’s a discipline often dismissed by Foucault fans (of whom I am one) on what I believe are misconceived grounds. What follows is my attempt to describe Trivers’ main theoretical insights and share my enthusiasm for them.

The significance for MAPs is not my main focus but it certainly exists because the work is fundamental to sexuality in general. It would be great to have some feedback on your thoughts about this. In general, Heretic TOC is fortunate to routinely attract comments running into three figures, many of which are of high quality and do a wonderful job in keeping us up to date with new research and MAP news. On this occasion, though, I would make a plea for more comments about the actual blog itself. Don’t be afraid to argue with me. I want to learn from dialogue with you all.

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Not to put too fine a point on it, Robert Trivers, whose reflections on the origins and basis of human psychology – including sexual motivation – dug deeper than even those of Darwin or Freud, was a bit of an asshole.

Trivers, who died last month, was arrogant, boorish, unreliable, unpredictable, in thrall to wild excess, and even downright thuggish. As a leading columnist told us,

His bizarre memoir Wild Life is not the place to turn to in order to learn of his brilliant ideas. It is mainly the story of his arrests, of his friends being murdered, of him being involved in knife fights, of getting an ice pick stabbed through his hand in a nightclub and of the various moments when his cocaine or marijuana stash was fortuitously missed by suspicious police officers… He loved the murderous African-American criminal Huey Newton and joined his thuggish Black Panthers. Most recently, he has been revealed as (of course) a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein. – Daniel Finkelstein, The Times, 25 March 2026

Ah. Yes. Epstein. Well, as readers of my previous blog will know, there are things to be said in Jeffrey’s favour. But Danny, bless him, aka @Dannythefink, perceptive and good-hearted man though he undoubtedly is, cannot be right about everything. He is, after all, Lord Finkelstein, a Conservative peer.

Moving swiftly on, the eminent psychologist Steven Pinker has pointed out in Quillette that Trivers’ early scientific work included researching lizards in Jamaica. He stayed for many years, in a life of boozing, brawling and whoring. He married two Jamaican women (not at the same time, but no one would have put it past him) and said he found the girls there so hot he needed no other reason to be on the island.

Bob Trivers (left) with his buddy Huey Newton, founder of the Black Panthers. Trivers’ later association with Jeffrey Epstein would be just as controversial, but he was no more apologetic over this friendship than the one with Newton. He didn’t see anything much wrong with Epstein’s interest in young women and girls, and told a reporter his relationship with Epstein was “valuable mostly because he is extremely bright, open-minded and widely travelled… he gives me consistent, warm support…”

But we have another reason to think about him. As Pinker reminds us, Trivers the scientist has given us insights that are quite simple once they are explained, but eluded great minds for ages. In a brief creative burst from 1971 to 1975, he wrote five seminal essays that invoked patterns of genetic overlap to explain each of the major human relationships: male with female, parent with child, sibling with sibling, partner with partner, and individuals with themselves – not in the physical “self-love” or masturbation sense, but in the stories we tell ourselves, especially as regards our capacity for self-deception.

Full disclosure: in what follows I will be using Pinker’s account extensively as a crib sheet. I have no wish to plagiarise, which is a dishonest practice that unfairly takes the credit for another person’s work, passing it off as one’s own. I do the opposite. I pay homage to Pinker, whose clear description invents the wheel, if you will, and I see no reason to reinvent it with my own rickety spokes and rims more hexagonal than circular.

That said, I no not intend to be Pinker’s slavish devotee. Like Finkelstein, Pinker leans to the right, as do a good many enthusiasts for the evolutionary psychology we will be discussing. It cannot be stated too strongly, though, that there is nothing intrinsically right-wing about the science in question. How could that be the case when, as will be seen, Trivers explores the deep origins of our ability to cooperate with each other, not just ruthlessly compete, as in winner-takes-all capitalism? How could evolutionary psychology be intrinsically right-wing given that it reveals our sense of fairness and justice is based on a firm foundation, and also grounds our profound belief that equality is a key concept (as with socialism) underpinning these ethical perceptions?

In the wake of Foucault, social constructivist thought on the Left has rightly tended to be sceptical of science, dismissing its claims to objectivity as bogus and noting its suspicious corruption in the service of paymasters that include the Military Industrial Complex, Big Pharma, and the now global Child Protection Racket. Nevertheless, it would be foolish and futile to deny that science can be hugely impressive – often difficult to harness safely, admittedly, as with nuclear power or AI, but that is testimony to its reality and potency. It means that if you study chemistry and biology in school you will genuinely be starting to learn how stuff actually works. It’s not just bullshit – which is more than can be said for a lot of what passes as postmodern scholarship these days.

The influence of Trivers’ work on science was vast. His ideas took pride of place in E O Wilson’s Sociobiology in 1975, Richard Dawkins’ The Selfish Gene in 1976, and many other landmark contributions in the next three decades such as Robert Wright’s The Moral Animal (1994) and Pinker’s own The Blank Slate in 2002. The implications for everyone were immense, as Pinker says:

The insight that partial genetic overlap among individuals leads to both confluences and conflicts of interests explains why human life is so intricate – why we love, and bicker with those we love; why we depend on one another, and mistrust those we depend on; why our emotions are powered by moral themes and not just physical threats; why deluded people are certain of their convictions and evil ones convinced of their rectitude.

The ground for Trivers’s revolution had been laid in the 1960s by George Williams and William Hamilton, who focused on the key fact that natural selection is driven by competition among “replicators” (i.e. the basic units of evolution, called “genes” in biology, although other kinds of self-replication are possible, notably “memes” – a term coined by Dawkins – which are culture’s way of making things “go viral”). This implies that the beneficiary of evolutionary adaptations is not the group or even the individual, but the gene. Hamilton drew out an implication: genes can perpetuate themselves by nurturing not only offspring but siblings and other kin, since any genes that benefit a blood relative would, with a certain probability, benefit copies of themselves in the bodies of those relatives. 

Trivers’s innovation was to show how the partial overlap of genetic interests between individuals should put them in a partial conflict of psychological interest. The key resource is parental investment: the time, energy, and risk devoted to the “fitness” of a child. Pinker uses this word without any quote marks or explanation, which may lead readers unfamiliar with the technical use of the term to think he is talking about our physical condition, as in “he is as fit as a fiddle” or “fit as a gym bunny”. But what biologists mean is much more inclusive. Yes, it’s about being in good shape, but it’s also about being smart; it’s about your chances of surviving into adulthood with a good chance of having your own children, thereby passing your genes into the next generation. He is talking about the survival of genes over thousands of generations, from when we were all hunter-gatherers, living a very different lifestyle to now, in what is sometimes called “the ancestral environment”. Known to evolutionary psychology more technically as the Environment of Evolutionary Adaptedness (EEA) this was the environment that shaped our brain and the psychological inclinations and desires it harboured, including our feelings about mating, parenting, and social relationships.

It may also seem odd or even obnoxious to use the term “investment”, as though parenting were a capitalist enterprise rather than a labour of love. This sort of language has unfortunately misled many of us gentle, kind, herbivorous lefties into supposing the psychologists who use it must be callous swine in white coats who cold-bloodedly see the whole of humanity as merely self-serving and ruthless. Even Dawkins’ provocative title The Selfish Gene inadvertently took us quite a way down that road, which he later regretted, along with other aspects of his eloquently arresting style. Ironically, he wrote too well for his own good!

Nevertheless, the concept of parental investment is a truly powerful and necessary one for anyone who wants to understand why we are as we are. What follows, based on Pinker’s summary of Trivers’ foundational work might seem far-fetched and (if you are versed in the standard objections) “reductionist” or “essentialist”, or “genetically determinist”, but my advice is don’t knock it before you really understand it. The name may be Trivers, folks, but he ain’t trivial, and his understanding ain’t superficial, so listen up and listen good. Pinker again:

Parents have to apportion their investment across all their children, each equally valuable (all else the same). But although parents share half their genes with each child, the child shares all its genes with itself, so its interest in its own welfare will exceed that of its parents. What the parent tacitly wants – half half for Jack, half for Jill – is not what Jack and Jill each want: two thirds for the self, one third for the sib. Trivers called the predicament parent-offspring conflict. Its corollary is sibling-sibling conflict: every offspring has an interest in its siblings’ welfare, since it shares half its genes with the sib, but that interest is outweighed by the twofold genetic interest it has in itself. 

Jill may not even exist yet for Jack and his parents to differ over her welfare. Baby Jack may want to suck his mother dry, while Mom wants to keep part of herself in reserve for unborn Jill and other future offspring. The conflict is waged throughout the lifespan: in ailments of pregnancy (like pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes), postpartum depression, infanticide, cuteness, weaning, brattiness, tantrums, rebelliousness, sibling rivalry, and struggles over parental attention, support, and inheritance.

Not that toddlers are ever consciously battling on behalf of their own genes, of course, and especially not in the mathematically exact and calculated way that Pinker’s words might suggest. Rather, it makes more sense to think of these calculations as the scientists’ way of bringing precision to bear on what drives us unconsciously, by instinct.

It may help to consider sibling rivalry for a moment, which Pinker mentions above. Unlike parental investment, this is a scientific concept that is also familiar in everyday language and life. Unless we are an only child, most of us will have experienced it directly with our own brothers or sisters. Often it can be quite extreme, leading to bitter and toxic quarrels in childhood, sometimes leading to a lifetime of enmity and resentment, especially when there is much at stake in rich and powerful dynasties, fighting over who will inherit the crown or the business empire. Such has been the stuff of legend from the Bible’s Cain and Abel, or Isaac and Ishmael, to Game of Thrones and Succession in our own day.

A Bible story has it that brothers Jacob and Esau fought even in the womb. Genesis 25:26 tells us that Esau was born before Jacob, who came out holding onto his older brother’s heel as if he was trying to pull Esau back into the womb so that he could be firstborn. In genetic terms, sibling rivalry would make more sense for fraternal twins than identical ones. Instead of going there, though, my thoughts on seeing this eye-catching image turned to what my mother told me about her own experiences carrying my brother and, years later, me. My big bro, she said, had been a fighter from the start, kicking inside her as though demanding to be let out. But I was so still she kept worrying she’d lost me. Clearly, my subsequently successful “no trouble” strategy for winning parental love as a toddler had its basis in my innate temperament rather than a child’s observation-based analysis of fraternal politics.

My older Big Brother and I were too far apart in age (six years) for intense rivalry in childhood. He was so clever, sophisticated, strong, and athletic there was just no contest. He was awesome to me and my parents alike. I hero-worshipped him. If there were to be a battle between us over who was more worthy of parental investment in our future, he should have won hands down.

Except it wasn’t that simple. Bro was actually quite jealous (as he confessed to me decades later) because I somehow stole a lot of parental attention. Part of it was inevitable of course. I can claim no personal merit whatever in being younger and smaller, which automatically made me cuddlier and cuter! But additionally, unlike my slightly too self-assured and rebellious brother, I was also pleasantly “low maintenance” for Mum and Dad. Bro must have been heartily sick and tired of hearing how I was no trouble at all, a Little Angel! Looking back, there must have been times when he could cheerfully have murdered me. Well, thanks, Bro, for not yielding to that temptation! Until he died a few years ago we remained in wary but amicable correspondence with each other, and he will always be my hero.

What we had each managed in childhood was to win parental investment through different self-marketing strategies: Bro’s fitness in evolutionary terms was never in any doubt. He was an Alpha male all the way. So instead of trying to compete by being fitter in the crude understanding of the “survival of the fittest” – tough, and dominant – I found myself slotting smoothly into a different evolutionary niche, that of a useful, well functioning, Beta male. Rather than making my mark as a leader, I would be the “nice” sibling, adorable as a kid and seen by Mum and Dad as a gentle and cooperative child, and also one with a viable future. They could be confident I would become a reliable worker, the sort of loyal team player employers are keen on. Fit, as it were, for survival in the workplace.

Or if I were to be any sort of leader it would be in some sort of “caring” occupation, or a quietly scholarly role – I was always “bookish” enough to suggest that possibility. Mum often called me “my little professor”, and once she told me she thought I might become a missionary, taking Christianity to the empire Britain still had in those days, perhaps even becoming a bishop! She also thought I would make a good husband and father one day. Plenty of girls would love a “steady earner” – a nice, regular guy who would stick around though thick and thin and be great with the kids. Genetic mission accomplished!

Well, things don’t always go to plan, do they? A key take-away is that just as weather forecasts these days are based on scientific observations and modelling but are still not entirely reliable, neither are predictions about people. There are just too many variables, including random unknowns. Our futures are not determined by our genes, only influenced by them. This doesn’t mean evolutionary psychology is useless bollocks. We would be foolish to ignore its insights, just as no wise mariner would ignore a storm warning.

Parental investment, Trivers explained, is also implicated in the battle of the sexes. When Darwin introduced the concept of sexual selection, he observed that in most species, males compete and females choose, but he had no idea why. Trivers explained the contrast by noting that in most species the minimal parental investments of males and females differ. Pinker again:

Males can get away with a few seconds of copulation; females are on the hook for metabolically expensive egg-laying or pregnancy, and in mammals for years of nursing. The difference translates into differences in their ultimate evolutionary interests: males, but not females, can multiply their reproductive output with multiple partners. Darwin’s contrast can then be explained by simple market forces. And in species where the males invest more than the minimum (by feeding, protecting, or teaching their offspring), males are more vulnerable than females to infidelity (since they may be investing in another male’s child) and females are more vulnerable to desertion (since they may bear the costs of rearing their mutual offspring alone). 

In another landmark, Trivers turned to relations among people who are not bound by blood. No one doubts that humans, more than any other species, make sacrifices for non-relatives. But Trivers recoiled from the romantic notion that people are by nature indiscriminately communal and generous. It’s not true to life, he thought, nor is it expected. Instead, he noted, nature provides opportunities for a more discerning form of altruism, in which there is an exchange of benefits. One animal can help another by grooming, feeding, protecting, or supporting them, and is helped in turn when the need arises. Everybody wins. 

Trivers called it reciprocal altruism, and noted that it can evolve only in a narrow envelope of circumstances. That is because it is vulnerable to cheaters who accept favours without returning them. The altruistic parties must recognise each other, interact repeatedly, be in a position to confer a large benefit on others at a small cost to themselves, keep a memory of favours offered or denied, and be impelled to reciprocate accordingly. Reciprocal altruism can evolve because cooperators do better than no-cooperators. They enjoy the gains of trading surpluses of food, pulling ticks out of one another’s hair, saving each other from drowning or starvation, and babysitting each other’s children. Reciprocators can also do better over the long run than the cheaters who take favours without returning them, because the reciprocators will come to recognise the cheaters and shun or punish them. 

Reciprocal altruists must be equipped with enough brain power to recognise and remember individuals and what they have done. That helps explain why Homo sapiens, the most social species, is also the smartest one; human intelligence evolved to deal with people, not just predators and tools. We must also be equipped with moral feelings that implement the tit-for-tat strategy necessary to stabilise cooperation. Sympathy and trust prompt people to extend the first favour. Gratitude and loyalty prompt them to repay favours. Guilt and shame deter them from hurting or failing to repay others. Anger and contempt prompt them to avoid or punish cheaters. 

Language has played a distinctive and critical role in this reciprocal altruism. Because we are language users, any tendency of an individual to deal fairly or cheat, lavish or stint, will quickly become known to others. Quite literally, word will soon get around about their reputation. And because our reputation affects our ability to secure favours (it is all about our credibility and “credit rating”, stretching from our buddies to our bankers) it will be in our interests to have a good reputation. Most of us find the easiest way to do that is to pay our bills and buy our round at the pub without trying to wriggle out of such obligations at every opportunity.

But that’s not the end of the story. The most profound aspect, Trivers’ greatest discovery, is where he goes next. We are all familiar with the notion that we sometimes fool ourselves. Self-deception, like sibling rivalry, is a frequent theme in literature, especially the potentially tragic consequences of failing to “know thyself”, as in Shakespeare’s King Lear. What Trivers uniquely added to the story is how self-deception evolved, and how it can work to an individual’s advantage rather than always ending badly. Indeed, unless it conferred some benefits it would be hard to explain why so many humans have become so good at it: if the consequences were always tragic, those who routinely deceived themselves, becoming completely detached from reality, would have been seen as idiots, or crazy. They would never have found sexual partners who wanted to have children with them, and any genes promoting the self-deception trait would have died out.

The best thing of all (from an evolutionary standpoint) would be to get people to help us without returning their assistance, but also without damaging our reputation. So as well as developing a co-operative instinct, we also evolve the capability to deceive other people with lasting success.

This, Trivers realised, led to two further steps in evolution. The first is that we develop strategies for spotting this deception. Second, we develop even more sophisticated methods to ensure our deception evades detection. This escalating arms race between deception and detection culminates in the supreme form of deception. We deceive ourselves.

Zoologist Desmond Morris, who died this week aged 98. A popular TV broadcaster for decades, his book The Naked Ape (1967) became an international bestseller. Like Trivers, he was criticised for advancing speculative theory, often sneered at as “just so” stories, notably by those who saw socially conservative, or right-ring, implications in his ideas, including the suggestion that gender roles have an evolutionary rather than a purely cultural background. Trivers’ theory has found extensive empirical support since the 1970s. While a lot of Morris’s work is still considered sound, some of his more socially conservative ideas have been less well supported.

Danny Finkelstein tells us that Trivers, in his book The Folly of Fools (2011) explains that when we knowingly lie and deceive we often worry about being caught out, and our nervousness gives us away. Other people can see through it. They are watching keenly because they have evolved to watch keenly. So we have evolved, in retaliation, a way to avoid being caught out: we deceive ourselves. Then, a stray glance or a nervous move won’t let us down. If we truly believe we are being honest, we will be able to look others straight in the eye and speak with passion and conviction.

This routinely works brilliantly for the ardent young man with an ’ardon, eager to get a chaste girlfriend’s knickers down. All he needs to do is believe he loves her, he’d die for her, he’ll be hers till the end of time, till the stars cease to shine… That strength of belief comes all too naturally for many guys, even if “the end of time” turns out to be the end of the month, or whenever the first quarrel or inconvenience comes along. If it’s that shallow, of course, reputation will ultimately suffer, but there are plenty of entirely sincere serial Prince Charmings for whom it always works like a charm.

My first encounter with this theme would have been way back in the 1970s when I read The Selfish Gene. Trivers wrote a foreword in which he included a couple of sentences on self-deception. I have no memory of this (Pinker’s article reminded me) and I am sure the significance of a brief few lines would have escaped me at the time.

Much more important to me was the appearance of Wright’s The Moral Animal a couple of decades later, which gives an extensive account of Trivers’ insights, especially how the simple basis of reciprocal altruism (“You scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours”) grew into deep moral convictions as to what constitutes fairness and justice, underpinning not just personal exchanges of favours but also much bigger concepts, such as the Golden Rule (“Do as you would be done by”), the Rule of Law, and even the high concept of Human Rights.

When I encountered Wright’s book in the 1990s, it struck me as the most profound non-fiction work I had ever read, beating Darwin, Freud, Marx, you name it, and leaving even great poetry, drama and novels struggling to match its meaning for me. Would I still recommend it today? Absolutely, except for the fact that genetics has taken giant leaps forward in recent times. Trivers’ insights are still valid (just as Darwin’s are still foundational) but these days I would choose a book, or perhaps a few expert podcasts, that goes into the co-evolution of genes and culture. No serious scholar would claim these days that the human story is just about either the genes we inherit or the culture we grow up in, shaping our learning and behaviour. The story is one of both/and not either/or.

On that basis, I am guessing the best fairly recent book would be The Ape that Understood the Universe: How the Mind and Culture Evolve, by Steve Stewart-Williams, 2019. I haven’t read it yet, but the publisher’s description and expert reader recommendations make it a tempting one to put on my list to get around to. I’d love to hear from any heretics here who know this book already and can give us their verdict, or make other recommendations. 

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Hi Tom….Here is some new information on Amos Yee, he’s back in his own country and has got into a bit of a scrape with someone. count Dankula who debated him around a decade ago thinks the subject of paedophilia was “won” and the debate is over somehow. From what I remember of the debate, it was no more than a shouting match with no real depth into the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXmOgWGny0

I spent a lot of time on youtube for years arguing with idiots. But at least i got my point across. If i post on that video,will people even see it? Yes, comments disappear…

Joe Rogan questions age limits, says he watched Traci Lords PIM from when she was 16 (Short clip)

The clip has apparently gone viral recently. And even if that wasn’t the case, it’s still funny / entertaining, and a window into how people really think – and what they would be willing to say publicly – in a less hostile society…

Last edited 3 days ago by Prue

it sickens me that people want to charge traci with lying, but if shes capable of being tried surely shes capable of the porn? hypocrite double standard contradictory scum!

I now see that this was a bigger deal than I’d realized, involving a protracted legal battle from 1986-1994. I.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._X-Citement_Video%2C_Inc. Snippets of articles tell me the following:

The decision granted the Clinton administration’s bid to reinstate a Los Angeles porn shop owner’s conviction for distributing sexually explicit videotapes made by Traci Lords when she was 15.

Lords was a well-known porn star when it was discovered in 1986 that she was underage when she made many of her sex films.

Lords, who is now pursuing an acting career in legitimate films, has admitted to lying about her age when the porn movies were made.

>So yeah, brave and funny that Joe Rogan would go on TV and shout straight into a camera that she was no “innocent little girl!” Props for honesty.

Yes ill buy him a drink! If u ever go to the us. Which i wont until it becomes free.. actually i cant go as i got a caution for um, assaulting someone. A mistake. Funny though, people gave me grief at first then started congratulating me. As it turns out he was a map….

[MODERATOR: 10 May 2026:

Cyril, you have posted eight further links today. I am going to stop this. Your enthusiasm is welcome but unfortunately your posting is so unselective that the noise to signal ratio has become unsustainably high.

What I mean is that most of what you post is routine stuff, much of it repetitive and adding little, if anything, of value to our corpus of knowledge. I am sure there are a few hidden gems to be found in it all, but the problem is the “hidden” bit. Neither I, nor I suspect you or anyone else here has the bandwidth to process all this material carefully, especially now that journal abstracts seem to be getting longer and longer.

My conclusion is that the best use of our mental resources is first to identify key information needs as and when required for specific projects and then to target AI-assisted searches accordingly. Your approach to information gets it the wrong way around. It’s a overwhelming bombardment of information with too little chance of being immediately useful.

So I would again ask you to engage your brain not just your search engine before posting links. Only post one item at a time and post no more than one per week, (otherwise I will delete them without reading). Make it the most important one, and tell us in your own words why you think it is important. Thank you.]

The correct designation is “signal-to-noise ratio”, usually measured in dB. In the case of Cyril the SNR has become unsustainably low.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio

This is a totally great little exchange and no mistake, gentle mapsteriosos. I’ve been hard pressed for eeeks now deciding whether to address George Frideric OR TO’C re the character of “evobiologist” R Trivers and shall have to bound topside to address both from a great hEiGhT tonight! May all oV your neuroplastic rigging hold tight!

S to N ratio is of course crucial as well in theory of information. But what ia the information we maphabs desire in advance of the “signal”? that would tell us all else is noise?

I disagree.

First, I think I have a better understanding of your informational needs.

Second, it is better if an MAP-friendly person searches for information on his own, without using the AI with its censorship.

CSA is voluntary

‘The case of a four-year-old boy who was sexually abused by his father, who documented his actions. An expert demonstrated that the child “does not attribute negative significance to the offender’s behaviour”, which was linked to a stage of development typical of a four-year-old child, who is not yet capable of interpreting events adequately. On the other hand, the judge who ruled on this case used this opinion as a mitigating factor in justifying the sentence. Such an interpretation minimises the actual harm and ignores the fact that the consequences of sexual abuse can manifest themselves in the long term alongside the child’s cognitive and emotional development. Passages in the records depicting narratives that would offend a minor, for example, refer to alleged ‘carelessness’, wording that shifts responsibility onto the victim or is intended to induce a sense of shame.

‘The most distressing scenarios from the minor’s perspective involve the circle of people aware of the incident extending to the school environment, which is the child’s primary social sphere.

‘An analysis of case files also showed that in cases involving minors who independently produce intimate material or engage in sexual relationships with adults, insufficient consideration was given to the circumstances in which the child became involved in such relationships, including possible mechanisms of manipulation, exploitation of dependency, or prior victimisation. It should be noted that such behaviour may be linked to previous experiences of sexual abuse. Research shows that one of the possible consequences of childhood sexual abuse may be premature or heightened sexualisation of behaviour, which is understood as difficulties in setting boundaries, seeking attention through sexual behaviour, or internalised, dysfunctional relationship patterns.’
https://doi.org/10.63237/VTJJ2964
https://dzieckokrzywdzone.fdds.pl/index.php/DK/article/download/998/836

No separate link, page 73

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Powerty As Third Variable
https://doi.org/10.1111/desc.70213
 
Westermarck Disproved 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10896-026-01105-1
 
Victimology Escalates 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-026-05477-1
 
Against Victim/Offender Dichotomy 
https://doi.org/10.1177/17488958261436596
 
True Threat For Kids 
«In the United States, child homicide rates are significantly higher than in other developed nations—5.3 per 100,000 compared to 0.6 in a sample of 41 countries (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 2019). Infant homicide rates are similarly elevated at 8.1 per 100,000, more than double the global average of 3.5 (Large et al., 2010). From 1976 to 2007, filicide arrests in the United States comprised 2.5% of all homicide arrests, totaling approximately 500 annually, though these figures likely underestimate the true scope due to underreporting, particularly for neonaticide, which can be concealed or misclassified (Klier, Fisher, et al., 2019; Mariano et al., 2014).

«some research suggests mothers are more likely to kill sons, while fathers are more likely to kill daughters (Dawson & Langan, 1994). Patterns shift when examining adult victims. For example, Mariano et al. (2014) found more than 75% of victims 18 or older were male. Johnson and Dawson (2024) found the average victim age was 4 years old in a Canadian coroner’s report sample of filicides involving victims 18 and under. Similarly, Mariano et al. (2014) found two-thirds of all filicides from a 32-year span of Supplemental Homicide Reports (SHR) cases involved victims 6 years of age or less. When examining relational distance, biological children comprise the overwhelming majority of filicide victims. Mariano et al. (2014) reported that more than 90% of victims were the biological offspring of the offender.

«Victims were most commonly between the ages of 1 and 17 (52.9%)

«Notably, the vast majority of victims (90.2%) were the biological children of the offender.»
https://doi.org/10.1177/08862605261444011
 
Threaten То Conceal Impossible 
«whether someone discloses or seeks help depends on whether the violence is recognized and defined as a problem, which is shaped by contextual factors such as cultural norms and stigma, and individual factors such as sociodemographic background, characteristics related to the violence exposure, and social network (Ullman, 2023c).

«Findings suggest that older age at onset is associated with a higher likelihood of disclosure during adulthood (Alaggia et al., 2019; Bottoms et al., 2016; McElvaney, 2015).

«Fear of severe injury or death has consistently been found to an increased likelihood of disclosing sexual and physical violence in childhood and adulthood (Ansara & Hindin, 2010; Barret & St. Pierre, 2011; Bottoms et al., 2016; Fanslow & Robinson, 2010; Lelaurain et al., 2017).»
https://doi.org/10.1177/08862605261441617
 
Penetration Risk <5% 
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psiq.2026.100911

Teens kill guy for sending messages.. dont have link,saw it on facebook. Dont really want to read it. All i know is he was 49 and was taken somewhere and killed with rocks. They got i think. 7 years for manslaughter. Fact is society has always been violent and ignorant. I hope they realise what they did one day wasnt right.. and once again teens proving they aren’t innocent. The killers were 15-16
.old enough to kill. Old enough for anything including messages…

Paedophilia “attractive for adolescents,
Who are experiencing problems in the family or with peers.

“As a result of prolonged exposure, a paedophile causes an unhealthy attachment in a teenager, which can be mistaken for love.”
https://www.b17.ru/article/895757/
 
No pregnancy risk & No trauma 
«sexual abuse showed a significant association with partner age (r = 0.07, p = .02); no ACE domain was significantly associated with age gap. After adjusting for maternal age at first birth, sexual abuse remained significant (β = 1.24, 95% CI [0.12, 2.36], p = .030), but this association did not survive FDR correction for multiple testing (pFDR = 0.30).»
If «victims» are said to be afraid of men, how can they prefer older partners? 
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2026.108080
 
Paedophiles beaten 
https://welcome.minsk.by/articles/66248.html?ysclid=moowpqm0cb548702737
https://ok.ru/video/9035125009

As for his apparently disgusting personality, that doesn’t tell me much about the goodness or badness of his work. I have no doubt that Tom is on this same boat.

Ah, social sciences. I’m sorry to be that guy in the room, but: take them with a grain of salt. I don’t deny that they have a role towards helping better understand reality, but my general feeling is that these days social sciences are largely overvalued. Since there are so many individualities and variables, it is often the case that one can learn more about human behavior by talking to an actual human than by reading an entire encyclopedia. 

This escalating arms race between deception and detection culminates in the supreme form of deception. We deceive ourselves… when we knowingly lie and deceive we often worry about being caught out… we have evolved, in retaliation, a way to avoid being caught out: we deceive ourselves.

This was an interesting part. I have always wondered why we have the ability to lie and to detect lies, at the same time. Sounds like a paradox. Evolution should (apparently) either favour one or the other! Why both?

It looks to me that, as with many things in life, it’s a gray area. We all want to be surrounded by people who always tell the truth, yes. But at the same time, being able to tell and pass a lie may sometimes be good for survival. Even, lieing may be a moral thing to do, for example, when you are with someone who acts abusively to you and you lie to escape the situation.

Like an evolutionary dance. An endless game about the (unsolvable) question of who to trust.

Quick question:

Would the observation that identical twins tend to be super-friendly with each other, be a supporting evidence of Trivers’ theories? In the sense that if you share exactly the same genes, there is nothing to compete with.

“When I watched the girls all loving on Sam, I just felt sick in my stomach. I knew they were younger versions of me – and I knew that, some day, they would realise that is not love; that is actually survival.”
 ‘When I watched the girls loving this man, I felt sick’: the woman who exposed a polygamous paedophile
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/may/01/when-i-watched-the-girls-loving-this-man-i-felt-sick-the-woman-who-exposed-a-polygamous-paedophile?CMP=share_btn_url
 

Killed in prison 
https://spb.mk.ru/incident/2025/04/09/stali-izvestny-podrobnosti-smertelnogo-izbieniya-pedofila-v-peterburgskoy-kolonii.html
 
“Victims” are not aggressive and not cocaine addicted 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00737-026-01702-5
 
Willing CSA doesn’t harm 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40653-026-00898-z
 
No harm for body 
https://doi.org/10.1111/jpc.70406
 
Repeated preteen CSA doesn’t harm 
https://doi.org/10.1177/26884844261446169
 
Correlates of believing in child sexuality
https://doi.org/10.1177/15248380261443213
 
«multiple psychological mediators
… studies identify physical activity and social support as important protective factors that may buffer the impact of trauma on social anxiety.»
https://doi.org/10.1080/10911359.2026.2666811
 
Only depressed survivors become alcoholics 
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.chiabu.2026.108077
 
Does not cause preterm birth 
«One U.S study that utilized self-reported maternal exposure to childhood maltreatment reported that only sexual abuse accompanied by physical force perpetrated by a non-parent/adult caregiver resulted in an increased risk of PTB, particularly for those whose abuse began after nine years of age (Cammack et al., 2019). However, other forms of parental abuse (physical, emotional and sexual) were not associated with PTB (Cammack et al., 2019).»
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1359178926000315
 
«Sexual abuse shows particularly strong associations with mental health problems in females. However, findings remain inconsistent across studies, and many investigations have not systematically examined gender as a moderating factor.»
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.actpsy.2026.106954

Hi Cyril

” What did I do wrong ? » was my comment yesterday on another site, and Matt seems to know it”

Can you tell me what this site is so that I can have a look at it btw is it MAP related?

Its in cyrillic how i supposed to read it.! Im not aware of the existence of this site even… Only two map related places i go is here or fstube.

Paedohunting crimes 
https://www.stuartmillersolicitors.co.uk/paedophile-hunters-and-the-law/
 
No CSA—bad parenting correlation after statistical control 
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40653-026-00895-2
 
AOC 18 as patriarchy 
https://doi.org/10.1177/09075682261440992
 
More than 60% of СР watchers don’t reoffend
https://doi.org/10.1177/10790632261446632

he noted, nature provides opportunities for a more discerning form of altruism, in which there is an exchange of benefits. One animal can help another by grooming, feeding, protecting, or supporting them, and is helped in turn when the need arises

I find the theory of fraternal birth order worthy of consideration as a possible evolutionary mechanism of adaptation influencing the sexuality of siblings. The more brothers and sisters in a family, the higher the likelihood of homosexuality and homosexual chronophilia. Perhaps nature harmonizes connections in a group in this way.

As the younger brother, it hardly needs saying, I became the less conventional, more rebellious one.

Indeed LoL

CP-Watching Trauma in Cops 
https://doi.org/10.1177/0032258X261444913
 
«I hate that I miss him» 
https://www.reddit.com/r/pedophilevictims/s/kEB77j6Cd8

The Rule of Law has triggered me more than your texts on trans issues. No, the Rule of Law and Human Rights are not products of reciprocal altruism. If anything, they are about managing vengeance. There is this good yet almost unreadable entry on the intersection of language and law that questions even the possibility of the Rule of Law itself.

Anyway.

Genocentrism aside, I understand the Dawkinsian metaphor of the “conscious gene”, but I think you have simply overstretched it into misleading territory.

Genes can perpetuate themselves by nurturing not only offspring but siblings and other kin, since any genes that benefit a blood relative would, with a certain probability, benefit copies of themselves in the bodies of those relatives.

Would it not be sharper to say that, for millennia, genes that disposed us towards mutual care have been winning the auditions on Natural Selection TV, creating tribes where, as a result, those around us also happened to share much of the same cooperative genome? The explanatory force remains, but the melodrama of scheming genes disappears.

Then there is the notion of parental investment. How monogamist! How individualistic! Even in the sixteenth century, Jesuits were reportedly baffled when told by some Indigenous peoples: “They are our children.” “But who are the parents?” “We are.” “No, no, no – who are the real parents?” “We do not know. Does it matter?” For minds trained in inheritance, lineage, and property, it mattered a great deal.

One might object: breastfeeding. But well into the twentieth century in rural Europe (and in bourgeois households too) wet-nursing was common – infants were often fed by whoever had milk. And care routinely circulated beyond the biological mother. In larger communities, children were not the sole responsibility of a nuclear pair; they were raised by a wider web of teenagers and adults, MAPs included.

The phrase “environment of evolutionary adaptedness” sits too close to the nature–nurture split, which I have never found particularly helpful. It implies a single, fixed moment when we stepped out of nature and into nurture – as if early culture froze our psychology into stable “hardware” that still claims to explain us today.

Yet would it not be more precise to say that natural selection endowed human beings with a trait no other species possesses to the same degree: not the adaptability of tissues, but that of mind? It is this brain that generates culture, and culture in turn becomes part of what we are. One might even ask: are cities not now part of our environment in the full biological sense, shaping us as much as we shape them? I do not know about you, but I am not surviving in a “natural” rainforest – though in the jungles of New York I may well try. This Anthropocene framework suggests that we are collectively capable of shaping our environment and managing its consequences, both social and personal. As you rightly note, our futures are not fixed by genes, only influenced by them.

The same applies to parent–offspring conflict and sibling rivalry. At times, the evolutionary psychology feels as though it absorbs familiar patriarchal assumptions, translates them into graphs and equations, and then serves them back to us with the authority of science. All of which, as you note, is politically convenient for the Right – Foucault would have been so proud of this power/knowledge dynamic!

Tribal societies were certainly no communist-feminist utopias. But one does wonder whether a weaker emphasis on private property might have softened some of these conflicts. Children would still have been impossibly needy creatures, and competitive instincts would remain. Yet might those instincts have been less corrosive to relationships under different social arrangements?

As for reciprocal altruism, I have little fundamental disagreement. Whether one sees it as a product of evolution or of broader social forces, the idea finds strong support in game theory, among other areas.

As for self-deception, I remain sceptical, though here I confess my scepticism is more instinctive than evidential. There is a line beyond which reading “body language” slips into mere speculation. Self-deception also reminds me of the political notion of ideology, namely, “the lies that they believe”.

All told, good science requires careful study, not merely clever stories. The scientific method is an exacting discipline, and one not always easy to satisfy – as we on this platform know only too well.

Okay, back to learning Römisches Recht, because this exam will not pass itself.

No, the Rule of Law and Human Rights are not products of reciprocal altruism. If anything, they are about managing vengeance.

I would say that this was a bit of an overstatement. People are also sent to jail to prevent them from causing more harm. That constitutes a role of law that is not tied to resentment.

Yet I would agree that people tend to overuse the judicial system to solve any discrepancy, bad feeling, internal traumas and what not. There should be an ample space for apology and just life experience. For instance I was once touched in the ass in a club by a drunk guy. It annoyed jme terribly. I hate being touched in the parts in public. I could have easily sent him to jail. But I felt it would be an overkill for the situation.

Apart from hinting that today’s teen girls are as emotionally mature as pre-WW2 women, what did Trivers say about today’s MAPS?

>I’m not sure he said anything on the record about MAPs

HTOC long-cites MAP-free Trivers on MAP-centric HTOC?

>You won’t like this one, but we should think about it. The human capacity for self-deception applies as much to MAPs as everyone else when it comes to sexual consent. The best researchers have questioned the validity of the term “cognitive distortions” in this context, because believing that a child is an enthusiastic participant in a sexual act will often be true, not a distortion. Sometimes, though, it will indeed be a self-serving distortion. We need to guard against that.

Pup likes all things ‘knowledge’, not least knowing TOC misthinks Pup won’t like knowledge.

As for cognitive distortions about any age girls or boys sexual enthusiasm, vastly sexperienced Pup knows that some do some don’t, or will with one or some but not with others, adult or minor. Quote, Olde Tyme most banned Beeb radio fun-boy Max Miller, “I like the girls who do, I like the girls who don’t. I even like the girls who say they will, but then say they won’t.” Plus, “I was walking over a river bridge so narrow that two people couldn’t pass each. When a gorgeous young girl approached, and I didn’t know whether to block her passage or toss myself off.” Plus, “When apples are red they’re ready for plucking, when girls are sixteen they’re ready for…Good Night Folks!” (PedoFILE with Pup’s earlier toilet humor from the well known worthy Worldwide walls cognitive ‘Cottage’ culture catalogue?)

Regarding point 1 (Parents may choose to exercise control over their children’s sexual expression when it is IN THEIR PARENTAL INTERESTS):

This is huge! Given that a democratic society is governed by the decisions of adults, what is the place for children? Who defends them? Many of the laws we see on pornography, consent, internet and so on are made to the comfort of adults. It is much easier to manage adolescence when the sex part is out, ins’t it? I would consider overprotection as a misadaptation over the protection of the genes held by the offspring. My observation is that since more stuff is being managed by the state and less by the family, the bonds between parents and children are getting weaker and weaker. My prediction is that we will see (and we are already seeing) more violence from children to parents, more abandonment of elderly, and more toxic environments at home.

Regarding point 2 (Sometimes, though, it will indeed be a self-serving distortion):

I think this was a honest remark. But as you pointed out, intolerant people tend to lie to themselves and get convinced that children do not want those contacts. With the use of metaphores, ambiguous language, made-up concepts, hidden contradictions, unstated assumptions… those biases get often buried under layers of language labyrinths. I often have issues when discussing with women; I feel they use the language in quite a different way. Because of those language artifacts, the conversation gets out of sync and the meaning gets blurry.

Regarding point 3 (girls and women being more picky):

I have coincidentally been watching some videos of (female) youtubers explaining how women are so disoriented these days because men no longer want to commit so easily with women, since men have found solitude to be more rewarding. Back in the day, there was this notion of the man who goes after the woman and desperately tries to draw attention, while women passively present themselves as a treasure hard to obtain. I think this is pretty much over, and it is creating a restructure of social relations. All that is creating friction, since I think it creates frustration to women who still function in the old way in their expectations.

Brief comments.
Steelmanning – no conflict between Epstein class apologism and pedophilia (e.g. previous blog)?

While a father’s interest could – in theory – conflict with his daughter’s, are hers better served by feminists, attacking e.g. marriage, the family, fatherhood? Unlike fathers, the latter have generally virtually no interest in the girl at all, which could have served to limit the conflict.

This, not cultural handwaving regarding a girl’s nature, is part and parcel of the dilemma facing GL, with strategic implications for relationships and activism.

In my opinion, evolutionary psychology is mainly speculation, without any analysis of empirical data, nor controlled experiments. It is thus non-scientific. At least the theory of biological evolution rests on empirical data: one has observed micro-evolutions in changing environments (e.g., peppered moths becoming black when the tree bark gets covered with soot), and macro-evolution is seen among the fossils in successive geological layers.
Furthermore, one can learn about evolution of human psychology by making comparisons between humans, chimpanzees and bonobos, as Frans de Waal did in numerous works. I see nothing like that in your long exposition.
The concept of ‘alpha male’ was introduced in the 1980’s and has since been debunked. For instance, pack of wolves are family groups, and the ‘alpha couple’ are simply the parents. Among chimpanzees, the ‘alpha male’ is the one getting most females, he is not necessarily the leader in hunting or war expeditions.

one can learn about evolution of human psychology by making comparisons between humans, chimpanzees and bonobos

I used to compare sex morals in monkeys and apes/humans: https://e-reading.club/bookreader.php/1080986/kirill-galaburda-etologiya-o-prichinah-pedoborchestva.html

But Tom did not publish it.

You don’t need news?

Your claim that evopych relies only on speculation with no empirical analysis is incorrect. As this paper points out, evolutionary psychologists routinely use laboratory experiments, cross-cultural comparisons, questionnaires, observational studies, physiological measures, and neuroimaging data to test hypotheses, and some hypotheses from the field have in fact been falsified, which is a hallmark of scientific inquiry, not speculation.

You suggest that comparing humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos (as Frans de Waal did) would be valuable, then say you see “nothing like that” in evolutionary psychology. This is puzzling, because cross-species comparison is explicitly listed as one of evolutionary psychology’s core methods. Frans de Waal’s own 1982 book Chimpanzee Politics was widely cited by evolutionary psychologists and helped inspire the application of primate social structures to human behavior. The concept of “alpha male” has only been debunked for wolves. It is well-documented that alpha males exist in several primate species, including chimpanzees. You say the chimpanzee alpha male “is the one getting most females” and “is not necessarily the leader in hunting or war expeditions.” This is partly true in that reproductive success is central, but the chimpanzee alpha male does typically play a significant role in coalition-building, conflict resolution, and group protection.

Chimpanzees and bonobos are the two primate species most closely related to humans. While chimpanzees are patriarchal and led by alpha males, bonobos are not and instead maintain a female-centered social structure. An argument could be made that humans occupy a middle ground: we are too similar to bonobos to be classified solely with chimpanzees, yet too similar to chimpanzees to be classified with bonobos. The modern world proves that male dominance and patriarchy are by no means an inevitability of human nature. That said, historically, most human societies have aligned more closely with the chimpanzee model of male dominance; although there are notable exceptions of matriarchal cultures, the vast majority of historical human societies have been patriarchies.

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Reply to both Tom and Kyoto:
You don’t need to use “evolutionary psychology” to find “reciprocal altruism”. All social animals have a form of “reciprocal altruism”, and it is highly developed in chimps and bonobos. And in nature, cooperation exists as much as competition, it is not limited by kinship. The eukaryotic cell is a symbiotic combination of bacteria and archaea. Land plants could develop only in symbiosis with fungus.
“Parental investment”: this supposes a nuclear family, while many primitive human societies have extended families, where childcare is mutualised, see George Frideric above.
Chimpanzees are male-ruled, but not “patriarcal”: no male chimp knows whose father he is, since female chimps are notoriously sexually promiscuous. Patriarchy is a family system headed by the father who needs an obedient and chaste wife to give him legitimate heirs.

Ok what did i do wrong

He is mocking a reply in my blog , Matt must be some LEA

« What did I do wrong ? » was my comment yesterday on another site, and Matt seems to know it

Im not aware of this??

Oh i posted something and it didnt appear. I assumed the swear word might have been the reason. But no swear word aa bad as the N ,’word’. I have a good reply to that they see say Russell brand and say ,’im getting the word’.. and i say , thick ??

Sorry if grammar bad,just stressed. So yeh,russell brands getting a lot of flack for doing a 16 yo when in his 30s. I did respect him but he supports the trump party..

[MOD: Sorry, Cyril, this comment was little more than link dumping. It had to go Maybe try commenting on the actual blog?]

I did yesterday.

[MOD: I didn’t see it because, as I now discover, it went to the Spam folder.]

If you want me to comment this blog, Tom, I an not impressed. Texts on evolutionary psychology are not new for me. Actually, one such book («Непослушное дитя биосферы») made me pro-МАР when I was 17.

Now I would tell you some news.

MAPs Beaten:
https://www.unotv.com/estados/san-luis-potosi/golpean-a-presunto-pedofilo-en-mercado-de-san-luis-potosi-video/
https://m.ok.ru/video/5579016388?ysclid=moeigw9fcp779781354
https://sakhapress.ru/archives/311600?ysclid=moei8ph64g705479293

False Accusationѕ During Conflict 
https://youtu.be/OGio8Q3-9w8

Censoring Libs
https://doi.org/10.1080/01930826.2026.2662297

[MOD: Remainder deleted: far too long for a comment. Actually, I retrieved your full comment from Spam. Even the automatic system thought it was a bit much!]

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