The world has been turned upside down and shaken around with such brutal force and dizzying pace in the few weeks since the start of this year it is hard to know how to start writing about any aspect of public life without the beginning being out of date by the time one has penned the end.
Not that this writer uses a pen, but the blogger who favours the longform essay does sometimes feel like a time-traveller from the quill pen age when all the “thinking” and change is being driven by the ultra shortform communicators of X and Truth Social, even though the only significant user of the latter is its owner, Donald Trump.
Trump, of course, since his return to office as US president on January 20, has been in the driving seat of this helter-skelter revolution, kicking ass everywhere from Greenland to Gaza while bizarrely licking one ass that truly needs a good kicking: Putin’s.
The “shock and awful” tactics have not been confined to Trump himself, though. His vice-president, J.D. Vance, is the latest to weigh in, with the infamous Munich speech in which he had the audacity and hypocrisy to take the EU to task for its alleged lack of freedom of speech and democracy – against a background in which his own president has bullied and threatened his critics in the media and attempted to overthrow democracy by force four years ago following his false claims of a stolen election, while more recently attempting to subvert international law by authorising economic sanctions against the international criminal court (ICC) – a court which could potentially see him indicted for complicity in war crimes by Israel.
What does all this mean for MAP radicals and for progressive politics?
Most obviously, and I hate to say I told you so (well, no, in all honesty I feel quite smug about it), we need to face the fact that Vance’s big speech must have been cheered to the rafters back home thanks to its core anti-woke message. In my last two blogs I gently pointed out (gently compared to Trump and his enforcers at least), that some aspects of woke ideology, not least the transgender activist’s insistence that “transwomen are women”, are demonstrably false and for that reason can only be imposed coercively (through “cancelling” etc.), with the inevitable result that most people are alienated.
Some skepticism was expressed here when I suggested that public discontent (not just among the MAGA masses but sensible moderates too) may have cost Kamala Harris the election. I gave some polling evidence in support of this claim, and recently we learned that Trump’s executive order excluding transwomen from female sport was probably the most popular thing he has ever done, gaining the approval of 67% of Democrat voters. Yes, that’s fully two thirds of Democrat voters, and a whopping 94% of Republican ones. We should of course support trans people against unfair discrimination in employment and other aspects of daily life, but the American electorate has overwhelmingly recognised that there are some fair and reasonable limits to the contexts in which transwomen can be considered women.

Fairness, alas, has been conspicuous by its absence from other aspects of the Trump revolution. It will help to focus on the manoeuvrings of Elon Musk, who now figures as the third great ass kicker of the new administration, ensconced in the White House as the boss of DOGE (best pronounced “dodgy”), which gives the richest man in the world the task of being as mean as possible, his brief allowing him to nix money going to everything from international aid to welfare payments for poor and vulnerable Americans. One might think this wide-ranging mission would keep him fully occupied, along with his multiple other jobs (including Tesla, xAI, SpaceX, social media X, and being dad to his eXotically named son X Æ A-Xii plus a soccer-team’s worth of siblings); but, no, back in the distant days of last month, before landing his dodgy DOGE gig, he somehow found time not just to pick a fight with the Labour government in the UK , but to conduct this campaign which such relentless ferocity that prime minister Keir Starmer and co were left reeling and soon bending to his will – with big implications for policy towards MAPs and child protection.
Having such a big family, Musk might be thought to know a thing or two about the latter, but outward appearances can be deceptive. He has certainly gone out of his way to look the part lately, carrying his cute little kids on his shoulders to a string of high-profile political events and letting them play around the president’s Oval Office desk – possibly to the Donald’s irritation! But is he just cynically using his kids as props for a string of photo opportunities?
That has to be the suspicion when we factor in the manically workaholic drive that took him to the top. Work-life balance? Ha! Just like his factory production, his reproduction can only have been fucking fast and efficient, with not a second wasted on idle canoodling and sweet nothings! As for quality time with the kids, no chance! Musk’s family-man image is a lie, as exposed last year when his now adult transgender daughter Vivian Jenna Wilson gave her first interview, saying he that he had been an absent father who was cruel to her as a child for being queer and feminine.
But putting his little kids in front of the cameras to soften his image and falsely make him appear to be a great dad is the least of Musk’s media sins. Remember that amazing cave rescue in Thailand a few years back? When one of the British divers who played a heroic part in getting young boys to safety was trashed by Musk as a “pedo guy”? The diver lost a libel case after the tycoon’s outrageously baseless remark was presented in court as just a joke, although it had apparently been made in revenge because the diver had rejected Musk’s proposed rescue method. After that, Musk knew he could get away with saying anything about anyone, an understanding he has exploited most spectacularly against key political figures in Britain – his animus latterly driven by the fact that the UK has played a prominent role in attempting to regulate his social media platform.
It all kicked off last year with the horrific slaughter in Southport of three little girls at a Taylor Swift dance class – quickly rumoured on Musk’s by-this-time unmoderated X and elsewhere to have been committed by an illegal immigrant Islamist. Unsurprisingly, the country was soon ablaze with anti-Muslim riots, focused dramatically at times on accommodation for asylum seekers. It now appears the perpetrator, Axel Rudakubana, was actually a home-grown madman from Cardiff, with Christian parents originally from Rwanda.
But the facts were never going to matter to Musk, who notoriously gave a Nazi salute at Trump’s inauguration and whose enthusiasm for Far Right extremism has been further signalled by his support for jailed street thug Tommy Robinson in the UK and the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in Germany, which alarmingly doubled its vote share in Sunday’s election to become the country’s second biggest party. Ignoring the facts, Musk disparaged the prime minister as “two-tier Keir” for allegedly protecting the interests of immigrants in Britain over those of native-born citizens. He even stirred things up by saying civil war in Britain was “inevitable”.
That was bad enough, but early last month saw a relentless mass strike from his intercontinental ballistic media missiles, even before Trump’s inauguration. It was the anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant theme again, this time focusing on what he called “the Pakistani-ancestry grooming gangs” scandal in a number of towns some years ago. On January 3, Musk posted: “Starmer was responsible for the RAPE OF BRITAIN when he was head of Crown Prosecution for 6 years. Starmer must go and he must face charges for his complicity in the worst mass crime in the history of Britain.”
Wow! I am no Starmer fan, but this is one helluva pork pie. It was actually Starmer, as Director of Public Prosecutions, who launched a big crackdown on the “grooming gangs”, which certainly included some genuinely nasty men who exercised coercive control over girls, a theme I explored in a blog at the time. My piece was called “Street grooming: a nut to be cracked?” and I concluded that action was needed but that the state was using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It was a view I expanded on some years later when giving evidence to the IICSA. See paragraphs 64-71, under the subheading “Localised grooming”.
Musk’s totally baseless attack on Starmer wasn’t even the wildest or most vicious of his allegations. He also lashed out at Jess Phillips, the minister for “safeguarding and violence against women and girls” after she declined a request from Oldham Council for a government-led inquiry into “child sexual abuse” (CSA) in the town. He said she “deserves to be in prison” and called her a “rape genocide apologist”. She told the BBC that the lies spread by Musk (though she reportedly used the polite word “disinformation”) was putting her life in danger – which in my view was not an exaggeration when we remember that two MPs have been assassinated in recent years. Tempting as it is to rub our hands in glee at the likes of Starmer and Phillips getting a taste of their own frequent hate speech (towards MAPs), Musk’s irresponsible style is not the answer.

The immediate consequence of his outrageous “disinformation” was less dramatic than bloodshed but more ominous for the quality of our political life, and potentially for the future of democracy. There was panic at the heart of government. Their confidence already shaken after many months of bad press following a faltering start to their new administration six months earlier, the leading figures in Labour must have thought this sustained barrage of abuse from mighty Musk could truly cripple them, driving their traditional supporters in droves towards the populist Right.
So, when Musk said “Jump!”, it was inevitable they would soon answer, “How high?” He repeatedly called for a fresh national statutory inquiry into child sexual exploitation. The government resisted for a nanosecond but then announced a nationwide review of grooming gang evidence and five government-backed local inquiries. Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has announced a new £10m fund, split into two parts, to tackle grooming gangs and CSA. A three-month national audit led by Baroness Louise Casey would examine gang demographics, their victims, and the “cultural drivers” of the crimes. Secondly, a judge, Tom Crowther KC, would assist in the development of several local reviews.
But there have already been many such reviews in quite recent times, including the IICSA one mentioned earlier, costing a vast amount of money to address largely imaginary problems and achieving nothing. As Boris Johnson put it, in one of his rare truthful utterances, it was all money “spaffed up the wall”. Instead of being knocked off course by a malignant psychopath like Musk, Labour would do better to focus on its more thought-out policies, such as the long-overdue attempt to reduce Britain’s massively excessive prison population, through more rehabilitative alternatives. Even this government’s often misplaced impulse to “protect” youth, who actually need more freedom and decent job prospects, will be better served by its new bill to “target people who groom children into criminal activity, including county lines drug dealing or organised robbery” than by raking through the tired old stuff Musk is so exercised over.
The bottom line is that in this country and America the real “protection” we all need is against the likes of Musk and Trump, not by them. Their idea is not democracy as Abraham Lincoln famously proposed it – government of the people, by the people, for the people – but government of the powerful, by the powerful, for the powerful. Note all those billionaires at Trump’s inauguration, the new oligarchs, or plutocrats: Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, now worth the thick end of $1 trillion between them and licking their lips at the fat government contracts and sweetheart deals that are bound to be coming their way, along with others for Trump himself: real estate in Gaza, rare earths in Ukraine. Welcome to the new age of robber barons, the new Gilded Age!
BREAKING NEWS: Like I said, things are moving very fast. Late news coming in after writing the last paragraph above: Trump shares “what’s next?” for Gaza AI video on Truth Social. Also: Ukraine official says minerals deal agreed with US.
DAMP SQUIB, OR STRAW IN THE WIND?
BBC Radio 4’s In Dark Corners, series two, focused on a membership list of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), which was brought to the attention of journalist and broadcaster Alex Renton after being held by the police for some years, but later passed into private hands.
Renton had hoped his investigation of names and addresses on the list would expose previously undetected “scandal”, but from his point of view the trail disappointingly led nowhere, as he admitted in his final episode.
By that time, there had already been a discussion about the series in the comments here, in which I had said it looked like being a “damp squib”. I was angered to hear Renton unfairly traducing some fine old friends from the 1970s and 80s, but with many of them now dead this was little more than a private concern for me personally.
The only really interesting revelation, for me, was about PIE members I had not known about, who had kept in the background and maybe joined with assumed names. The addresses alone would not have meant much to those of us who were running PIE. We just used them as a mailing list for our publications.
It was only through the media that we discovered ambassador Sir Peter Hayman had been a member, or the spy Geoffrey Prime. And now, from Renton, I found that Viscount Mersey, a hereditary peer, had been another Establishment figure in our ranks, and there was an unnamed former chaplain to the royal household.
Other members, we were told, included authors, academics, musicians, plus distinguished nature film-maker and TV presenter, Christopher Mylne, who worked with David Attenborough among others. Many of the rest had contributed solidly to society, with over 30 teachers, plus social workers, youth workers, military officers, psychologists and doctors – all of whom Renton had given himself the difficult task of presenting as evil, disgusting, horrible people!
Another point of interest is that Renton ended up giving a plug for Heretic TOC, which he described as a busy forum, ominously adding it was a space where, “In some ways PIE, and its ideas, live on”. So, a space he would clearly love to silence – as would Julie Bindel: see below.
But this is not the only MAP-friendly online space, is it? There are quite a lot of others these days, including Mu, where you can find an excellent episode-by-episode summary and critique of In Dark Corners.

IT’S CATCHING: JULIE PLUGS HTOC TOO
The lovely Julie Bindel has given a surprise plug on her substack for Heretic TOC. Thanks, sweetheart!
In an item quite rightly slagging off so-called national hero Peter Tatchell (about whom I blogged), she has graciously given me full credit for my assistance and even given a link to HTOC.
She says that in 2015 she was asked by The Times to interview me. I accepted her offer to chat over a very nice nosh in a posh Mayfair brasserie, during which Tatchell’s name came up. She now reports that in a follow-up email I gave her some useful lowdown about his early work, which included public support for child-adult sexual relations that he later denied, along with treacherous denunciation of MAPs, including me. She said her readers might wish to read a news report she co-wrote for the Telegraph newspaper, “which should give you a clear a picture of Tatchell’s child abuse apologism”. Then she puzzlingly added, “I thought it was worth pondering, however, (which is why I am posting a copy of his email [TOC: mine, not Tatchell’s] to me as well as his blog), why it is that Tatchell gets away with espousing these views?”
Why she thinks adding my email and blog details add anything that will help her readers to “ponder” Tatchell’s dodging of cancellation is a mystery. Maybe she just wants to promote my work because she is a secret admirer? However, that theory takes a bit of a tumble when she refers to my “hideous blog”, adding, “The man is utterly grotesque, and I wish him the worst.”
Let’s say her fandom is a work in progress!
COULD HAVE SAVED MYSELF THE BOTHER
After putting out my marathon slog through the major concepts relating to sex and gender last time, I chanced upon a marvellous article that could have saved me much of the trouble. Titled “Do Sex and Gender Have Separate Identities?”, is an academic piece by Gonzalo R. Quintana and James G. Pfaus that says more or less what I did but in considerably greater detail and with much greater authority.
So, I highly recommend it for anyone who wants to explore the issues further. To facilitate this, I here give my own link to the full paper. The best bit is a brilliant diagram. See Figure 2.
3yo potentially life-threatening approved ENCOURAGED!
https://www.facebook.com/ximoments/videos/935819265299509
FB meme paraphrased, woman in a shoe-shop to MAP, “I’ve noticed that you lift little girls’ feet high enough to see their knickers when fitting their shoes – is that why you work here?”
“No madam you’re quite wrong, I don’t work here.”
why no link to that FB meme itself, HHP?
>why no link to that FB meme itself, HHP?
It’s paraphrased from a cute cartoon of a guy holding a seated woman’s ankles wide in a shoe-shop.
What could today’s totalitarian neo-Victorian antis possibly say to:
1: Millions of fun tots including AAMs near-nude legally encouraged to share potentially dangerous close-contact swimming or wrestling with near-nude fun adults including MAPs?
2: Millions of 1960s ongoing fun young (often underage) fans chasing, grabbing, groping, grooming, fucking adult Rock-Pop stars. Many fans now grinning grannies fondly recall their illegal fun SeX with adult stars?
Recalls 1990s ‘Love Magnet’ Bold MAP invited to a family swimming party by a MAP pal Dad with 6yo HOT Loli/AAM. In the crowded pool climbing body-close all over wet Bold MAP, and constantly legs-wide SLIDING up and down his slippy-wet chest, hips, thighs and shins, with her slippy-wet 1-piece swimsuit smooth HOT crotch. While Fun Bold MAP’s large hands tightly held her plump HOT butts – for safety snatch, er, natch.
Global new Olymp-rick logo, “Sport for All – SeX for All – U know it makes Nonce-sense.”
1: I’d say perfectly usual and considered okay even today, as long as the MAP is a family friend and not known to be a MAP, at least in the real world out there. Internet antis would probably say “No adult man should ever touch your child unless there is a very serious reason for that”, but most parents do not see the world through such lens.
And what could any anti like Ron Di Santis MAP EXECUTIONER say 2: Millions of 1960s ongoing fun young (often underage/AAMs) fans chasing, grabbing, groping, grooming, fucking adult Rock-Pop stars. Many fans now grinning grannies fondly recall their illegal fun SeX with adult stars?
Anglo mainstream fake media is the real DARK Web.
In 1997, Kid Rock wrote the song “Cool, Daddy Cool” which was later used in the 2001 children’s movie Osmosis Jones. In the song, Kid Rock said the controversial lyrics “Young ladies, young ladies, I like ’em underage see, Some say that’s statutory (But I say it’s mandatory)”, with Joe C. saying the mandatory line.[92][93]
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10227943705637491&set=a.1041336513149
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Rock
hes Republican… not going to mix with liking underage folk…..
Wonder if it’s on Newgon’s music list?…
Earlier in the comments section, I brought up the UK’s Crime and Policing Bill which contains numerous provisions relevant to the MAP community.
Mu has now published a detailed analysis – https://www.map-union.org/blog/the-crime-and-policing-bill-teardown-what-you-need-to-know-as-a-map
Important work. Well done!
The goverment and police dont give a crap about young people….. Two laws that passed thorugh in 2005… one allowing teens to be prosecuted for sexting (ok they changed that after someone pointed out how dumb that was ) but still police allowed to take young peoples phones to look through their private photos without consent. Licensing act which prosecutes udner 18s for attempting to buy a drink. while happily taking tax money off them. …
Sydney author Lauren Tesolin-Mastrosa arrested over ‘pedophilia’ book
Author’s apology:
I wanted to add something funny, but it’s hard to caricature something so bizarre.
Truly sick that this was banned. I’m fed up with the way society is, and so are many normal people. They now have to ban art, for the sake of Sick People’s feelings. Really crazy, since when did Sick People get priority over Normal and Healthy MAPs.
> So, the author has effectively lost her job, at least for the moment, and broken her anonymity over the controversy. There’s lessons here:
1). Provocative titles are just that, provocative. Be aware and ready to receive emotionally charged responses if you’re in the business of rousing people’s emotions… Putting “barely legal” on the back cover might be funny, and perhaps arousing for the book’s author, but not the smartest marketing move if you’re only looking to attract positive attention. You, and the publisher, have to be able to accept polarized discussion and debate; if you can’t, don’t publish such edgy things…
2). If you’re an anonymous author, don’t give up your anonymity during a scandal. It’s a silly thing to do… If your identity is revealed by other’s, then fine, there’s not much you can do except ignore it…
3.) Be clear that publisher’s know what they’re publishing, and the risks of what they’re publishing. Allyn Walker’s book was never withdrawn by the university press, because they knew the risks and contents inside-out, but published it anyway. Allyn deliberately went with a publisher known for controversial work, from Steven Angelides to Joseph Fischel. Whereas this author’s publisher claims to have only read half the book before releasing it.
It all seems very ridiculous, mostly stemming from the provocative title and cover, “Daddy’s Little Toy.”
If she’d couched her book as a sex abuse “survivor” story, she would’ve been lauded and praised as “stunning and brave!” But she was too positive about a topic that we’re all told is so “dark,” “disgusting,” “unspeakable”!
Clearly she was too free-thinking, raw and real for these miserable busy-bodies. On the flipside, it’s a bit like the “Daddy’s Little Slut” T-shirt controversy some years ago. Whenever these occur, it just means we all have more cool products to invest in! :p
That is some serious “Fahrenheit 451” stuff , with a side helping of “Nineteen Eighty-Four”
I have thought a lot about paedophilia and I have also read a lot, and there is something that I cannot explain to myself. How is it possible that, despite all the evidence, society is still unable to grasp even the slightest grasp of the reality of things? How is it possible that in recent years there has been no significant progress, but quite the opposite: the situation is getting worse and worse? What is the point of explaining things clearly and publishing data and studies, if everything stays the same or gets worse? Why is no one banging on the table? How is it possible that, in the face of so much injustice, blindness and repression, there is not some kind of rebellion?
There is a social firewall in the form of SJW activists, media and politicians who drown out any neutral discourse. Despite the presence of a lot of data, it remains outside the information bubble, and any attempt to bring this data into the public space is suppressed by labeling it as “insulting sexual abuse victims” and “normalization of pedophilia”, which in ordinary people immediately evokes cognitive distortion related with the rape of children. Horrible images of crying children immediately appear in their imagination. The pressure of condemnation and persecution is such that even a simple listing of facts is considered by Wikipedia editors as “normalization” and removed, making the narrative one-sided.
The only way to try to break this is to build social connections and expand the community. In modern society, people do not want to read long boring texts, they prefer to listen to cheerful people who tell them this in a fun and interesting way, but YouTube also removes any videos on these topics.
I know that, and everything you say is very logical. What I don’t know is why this situation is maintained decade after decade, without significant advances of any kind. Why does nobody confront this status quo and defend the MAPs? Why don’t the MAPs defend themselves as would be expected? This is not an insignificant minority, although I don’t know percentages on the approximate number of MAPs it is clear that there is a significant percentage of MAPs among the population, enough so that there would be some kind of proportionally significant reaction. And the repression not only directly affects the MAPs, but also their families, their partners and their partners’ families.
I would find Tom O’Carroll’s opinion especially important, since by virtue of his age and background he knows the issue and the situation better than I do.
IMO, Confused, it’s a matter of being part of a bigger social movement that has its own reasons for backing you. The most spectacularly successful case in point in recent years (until overplaying its hand as described in two of my most recent blogs) has been that of the tiny transgender minority, which is massively outnumbered by MAPs. They have been able to surf the wave known as the gender revolution, with its built-in bias towards social elements that implicitly challenge the dominance of masculinity, as male-to-female transness certainly does; and even the female-to-male variety challenges the traditional gender roles associated with “patriarchy”.
A large part of their strength has been drawn from LGBT+, which itself grew synergistically in parallel with Second Wave Feminism in the 1970s and beyond.
In those early days, the BL movement (significantly, with GLs largely excluded or invisible, despite their potentially far greater numbers), expressed through NAMBLA, PIE and other organisations around the world, drew strength from alignment with the struggle for male gay liberation, which, as already noted, was part of a much broader gender trend.
A key part of that broad trend has been an ideological commitment to equality in sexual relationships, an emphasis that has always been implicit in the feminist belief that power will always be abused in social relations that are deemed unequal, with the relationship between adult and child being the ultimate example. Ever since a “paedophile” movement began to make itself visible, its perceived failure to pass the power/equality test has always been the big stick to beat it with.
That’s my short answer, which doesn’t get us onto what strategy, if any, might be available to get us out of this bind.
Attempts at longer answers have been made here from time to time, but the fact that you need to ask the question tells you that our efforts haven’t taken us far in practical terms. However, you might like to take a look at this blog of mine, which surveyed the scene in relatively recent years:
https://heretictoc.com/2021/10/13/what-do-we-see-through-a-glass-darkly/
Guest bloggers have also discussed the “Where do we go from here?” situation in several blogs:
A Gen Z vision of MAP anon strategy
Towards an alliance of the invalidated
Paraphiles and the Far Right
‘Age gap’ angst: Left must choose or lose
The history of PIE’s strategy is touched upon in the following two blogs, which take issue with the negative interpretation advanced by historian Nicholas Basannavar:
A trail across a bleak landscape of lies
Naïve idealists, not cynical hangers on
How the previously very promising 1980s scene in the Netherlands amazingly brought about favourable age-of-consent law reform in the 1990s is (if I remember rightly) discussed in another blog, along with how it all later fell apart:
Where prejudice legally trumps truth
Another thing that surprises me is the lack of identity awareness among MAPs, at least in the country where I live. I would say that very few MAPs are aware of belonging to an unjustly persecuted sexual minority. Many of them even assume the criminalizing and pathologizing narrative of society and see themselves as “sick”. Very few MAPs, I believe, see pedophilia as a sexual orientation in itself. And if MAPs themselves do not see themselves as a minority unfairly persecuted on the basis of an innate sexual orientation, it will be very difficult to evolve and change things.
This is one of the important issues. Many MAPs still don’t recognize their identity and do not know where or to whom to turn, while those who have accepted their identity are scattered across different countries and cities and can only interact with each other through forums.
Perhaps the mass implementation of WEB 3.0 will help save educational pro-MAP content from corporate censorship. Perhaps the new generation of young people who grew up in an atmosphere of acceptance of homosexuality and transgenderism will be more decisive in the fight to regain their autonomy and against ageism. Perhaps MAP politicians will one day want to end this witch hunt, just like gay politicians. Sooner or later this will inevitably happen.
The self-perception of MAPs as belonging to a sexual minority unjustly persecuted on the basis of their sexual orientation is fundamental and essential for any progress to be made.
The bad news is that identity politics is not trendy anymore, quite the opposite – and I am kind of sympathetic to that. I don’t think the narrative of pedophiles as an “oppressed minority” has any chance of succeeding in the near future, irrespective of how true it is. If any change happens, it will more likely be the result of a mainstream revolution. And for that to happen, we still need to go a bit farther to the absurd oppression of youth and sexuality before people realize and wake up. It might take generations… or WW3 to shake things up.
I don’t know why you say that identity politics is not trendy anymore, quite the opposite. It seems to have worked quite well for gays and transgender people, and it still does. At the moment, there is also a “paedophile identity”, completely false and out of touch with reality, built on sensationalist headlines, delusional laws and “experts” who know nothing. The only thing to do is to dismantle all the hoaxes that make up this false media identity, show the reality and make people see what a MAP really is. But I am not optimistic, quite the contrary. If it has not been achieved in the last fifty years, I doubt that it will be achieved in the next thousand.
50 years is too short a period to rethink deep-seated myths and prejudices. Too many MAPs are “disengaged”, outside the community, which slows down the formation of the subculture and the social focus shifts to a negative narrative of fears and prejudices. That’s why it’s important it is important that the MAP community constantly expands, preserves and passes on its heritage to the next generation. A sustainable community with its own subculture and ethics will sooner or later attract more researchers.
It must not necessarily be a linear process. Society is a complex system, and can go through sudden phase changes. While activism is logic and possibly successful in the long run, even an insignificant event taking place at the right moment could cause major unexpected shifts. I understand that this perspective may feel abstract or even unhelpful, but acknowledging this complexity allows for both hope and humility – recognizing that progress isn’t always predictable, yet still striving for positive change.
Europe loves paedophilia. The French intellectual class tried hard to legitimise paedophilia. The #1 key Anti influence is the United States of America. The US has a strong proto-Protestant Puritan tradition which despises sex with children, despite all the evidence. Catholic Europe would, ultimately, respect sex with children but the United States keeps them firmly under their thumb.
As for Great Britain, that kicked everything off with the Pall Mall Riots and the Pall Mall Act. That was a horrific disaster which drove genuine and disturbing abuse of children deep underground in society; so that safe sex with children was perversely banned but nasty abuse was tolerated under cloak and dagger.
It’s a sick arrangement. Children obviously love sex but the United States draws its civilisational energy from an extremely virulent strain of Puritanism. The world has no choice but to kowtow to that because the United States is in charge. Europe is under lock and key – Europe is almost fully subjugated, in fact.
It’s a sad reality. But it’s so fucking depressing I don’t really want to discuss it further.
Also, to influence the public opinion, you need heartwarming stories with sympathetic protagonists. Ideally, successful and generally liked or likeable people admitting their MAPness, challenging false perceptions. But it is a reputation suicide. People choose to keep this secret, to avoid all kinds of repercussions.
> The same applies to Teliophiles / non-MAPs. They don’t want the finger pointed at them, so they keep their private sympathies hidden…
I agree, this would be powerful. It’s a damned catch-22 situation.
Maggie McNeill, on her blog The Honest Courtesan, offers an important insight on how left-wing, sex-positive feminists can be marshaled to support the destruction of the various age of consent and child trafficking hysterias:
“In the authoritarian mind, for students to voluntarily allow other people to examine their genitalia for the purpose of pleasure is a ‘crime’, but for the same students to be forced by law to allow strangers to examine their genitalia for the purpose of bigotry is ‘protection’.”
The issue must always be approached from the anti-authoritarian perspective of advocating for the sexual rights of all young people under 18.
This argument can be tied to the 100% true fact that the sex laws hurt “children” more than the sex itself, by traumatizing them and encouraging them to betray someone close to them. This supersedes any argument about “developing brains” or whatever other jibberish, because the criminalization of sex hurts children more than the sex itself, regardless of the details.
If governments and grifters want to play the save the children game, they can be made to answer for the fact that they are hurting children with their own policies that are supposed to protect them. The more draconian the punishment for the “offender”, the more it hurts the “child” through the strict denial of the child’s sexual rights and re-framing as a poor victim. This point must be repeated ad nauseum because the mantra of the hysterics is everything must be done for “the best interest of the child.”
WAY mo’ Anglo Medievil populist modern HYSTERIA!
A 29-year-old man has been sentenced to 400 years in prison after being found guilty of sexually assaulting underage girls while they slept over at his home. Brandon Xiong was found guilty of sexually assaulting four girls between the ages of 5 and 10, according to the Sacramento County district attorney’s office. The victims were invited to sleepovers at Xiong’s home and, as they slept, were carried into a secluded part of the home where Xiong sexually assaulted them. One of the victims disclosed the abuse to her mother in October 2018, which led investigators to discover additional victims.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/got-400-prison-sentence-being-005922220.html
I knew americans were nuts, but they think people can live for 400 years? only greenland sharks can do that.
Wow he should have simply obtained a legal exemption (by executive order) from the State governor.
>Wow he should have simply obtained a legal exemption (by executive order) from the State governor.
Er, ‘simply’? Flip the script to say, ‘4 giggling AAM HOT Lolis brazenly FLASHED their sweet tight panties to the helpless benign MAP victim needing 400 years to recover.’
Recalls 1990s sofa seated ‘Love Magnet’ Bold MAP FLASHED by a jealous 4 yo grinning AAM HOT Loli lolling on the living room rug while opening wide and closing her slim bare legs to brazenly show her flowery panty crotch (aping her Dad’s SeXy tabloid Page 3 girls). Until patient bold MAP silently FLASHED a pursed kiss aimed at her panty hidden HOT clit-slit, at which the knowing HOT Loli ‘YELPED’ and ran to her bedroom to privately finger-finish her HOT clit-thrill with thoughts of ‘Love Magnet’ Bold MAP. While the HOT Loli’s blindside AAM HOT Loli cousin, 6, sat on ‘Love Magnet’ Bold MAP’s HOT Lap, innocently asked, “What’s wrong with her?”
There are more than 8,000 nerve endings in the tip of the clitoris alone – double the number of those in a penis. A clitoris is made up of 18 distinct parts – a mixture of erectile tissue, muscle and nerves. “All those little pieces are working together to create the amazing sensations that anyone with a clitoris feels when they’re having orgasms.” They can swell as much as 300% when engorged. Clitorises range from 7-12 cm in length and swell by 50 to 300% when engorged when aroused. It’s not “a zero to 100 situation”, says Wolf, but as you draw closer to orgasm, it increases in size.
And, brutal male beardy Muslims for power and control have for centuries known that HOT Lolis (HOTTER than HOT Laddies) from infancy can only be kept from natural HOT SeX by vile FGM permanent sexual BLOODY torture. Rightly made pan-EU illegal since 1985 and soon all but eliminated in caring mainland modern EU. But still largely unprosecuted with tens of thousands of Anglo UK victims HOT Lolis from age 4, in cold, callous, uncaring Anglo UK (& USA).
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jan/23/clitbait-10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-clitoris
https://committees.parliament.uk/work/3200/female-genital-mutilation-inquiry/news/100646/ongoing-failure-to-tackle-national-scandal-of-female-genital-mutilation/
Wow, awesome Clit knowledge HHP! Thanks for my education 🙂
The Clit is obviously important from 0-99 or beyond (if one is of sound mind).
The Clit fascinates me, its only function seems to be pleasure. Lucky females!
Thanx Zen we’re all learning.
And, we wanna learn about simple seXecutive orders?
>Wow he should have simply obtained a legal exemption (by executive order) from the State governor??.
Mate away from the public gaze, State Governors can allow it, but it’s rare. Please don’t ask me how I found this out.
Leaving Neverland 2: Surviving Michael Jackson is an upcoming British made-for-television documentary film directed and produced by Dan Reed.
It premieres today on Britain’s Channel 4, March 18th, 9pm UK time.
I suspect this’ll be of some interest to you, Tom, considering you spent a large amount of time examining claims surrounding Michael Jackson’s emotional congruence with children, and possible sexual attraction to them.
Here’s the trailer via YouTube: https://youtu.be/ZJ_C466fJws?feature=shared
>I suspect this’ll be of some interest to you, Tom
Yes, but not much because it looks as though this one is largely going to be about the legal developments since the first film. The earlier claims will be reprised, but I doubt there will be much new. The first film was the big one — and it totally vindicated the line I took in my book, except that the boys have changed their tune now they are middle-aged adults who could win a fortune.
A sequel? Perhaps the studio was satisfied with the box office of the original film and they even have plans to create their own cinematic universe similar to “The Avengers” (sarcasm) 🙂
I would like to know if anyone else feels the same way as I do. It’s something that confuses me and makes me suffer a lot… In short, although I am only attracted to young men of my own sex and therefore I am homosexual by definition, I don’t like gays, I can’t stand them, I feel disgust if I see two men kissing, I feel disgust towards effeminate men and nowadays I absolutely refuse any dealings with him. I don’t feel part of them because they are very different from me and I feel that my sexuality has nothing to do with theirs. I don’t feel “homosexual” or “gay”, but at the same time I do, because the young people I am attracted to are of my sex. I dream of an ideal world in which “gay” and “boylove” would be recognised as distinct sexual orientations and thus have nothing to do with gay people. But the reality is what it is, so I am continually torn between thinking that I am not gay and that I am gay, and this indefiniteness torments me. There are times when I don’t feel gay at all and I feel very homophobic, and there are times when I think that maybe I’m wrong and maybe I’m one of them too.
It is difficult to explain in writing what I feel, I hope someone will understand me.
Yes, ConfusedMan, others do feel the way you do, including me, although the reasons may differ somewhat. My disgust these days tends to be focused on gay conformists who have been able to climb the ladder of liberation put in place for them by the radical gays of yesteryear but who have now kicked that ladder away so that MAPs cannot climb it after them. I have nothing but disgust and contempt for their treacherous condemnation of a fellow sexual minority suffering unjust oppression. They despicably seek to lessen their own oppression by increasing ours.
That said, I think it helps if we can understand that the things we consider disgusting are largely the product of our culture and early upbringing. Muslims and Jews brought up to believe that pork is an “unclean” meat, for instance, may feel disgust to the point of nausea at the thought of eating a bacon sandwich that others would think delicious. Those brought up as Vegans might have a similar reaction, although in their case disgust over eating any animals is often a learned feature of teenage or later life rather than just in childhood.
So, our feelings can change as a result of being exposed to new thinking, but there is no guarantee. Strong emotions can be hard to change.
I don’t think you need to worry about any inner “homophobia” though. Your strong aversion to effeminacy in men is a very common reflection of growing up in western cultures that have traditionally valued only so-called “real” men.
In my childhood, back in the 1950s, not even the beginnings of gay liberation were visible. Only one model of manhood was available. Accordingly, I grew up sharing your “homophobia”. My attraction towards young boys seemed to be nothing to do with gayness/effeminacy. As a young adult in my twenties, though, I came to appreciate the strength and value of radical gay activism in the 60s and 70s. Diversity in sexualities began to feel like a good thing.
My dislike is mainly motivated by the same reason: the disgusting betrayal of the gays to the MAPs. We are witnessing the worst witch-hunt against a sexual minority, thousands of homosexuals, adults and minors, are being massacred in a terribly unjust way all over the world, and gays do nothing to stop this horror. That disgusts me to the core.
In my youth, when I didn’t know everything I know now, I was supportive of the “LGBT movement” because I thought we were all in the same boat. I thought that one day they would evolve and end up defending us in some way. Now that I know what a betrayal they committed, I feel nothing but contempt.
They will keep adding letters to their stupid alphabet soup, but don’t expect them to one day add the P of the millions of homosexuals who are being slaughtered before their eyes.
That is the main reason for my dislike. But it is not the only one. I never really liked them, I never liked their way of life or their way of being. But I tolerated it with resignation and a lot of patience for a long time because I thought I belonged to “their side”. Now I don’t see it that way, so there is nothing to bind me to them anymore. Or maybe there is: homosexuality. But my homosexuality has nothing to do with theirs.
Also, I believe that effeminacy is much less widespread among paedophiles than among gays. I don’t know the exact causes, but I think it is.
I think you’re right but I cannot bring to mind any reliable research that has looked into exactly this question, so we’d need to infer clues from closely related studies.
Also, remember that “paedophiles” includes heterosexual GLs as well as homosexual BLs. Only among homosexual males has the range of attractions has ever been associated with effeminacy.
Just to check my main point, I asked AI. Copilot’s first answer was a lot of evasive bullshit on this “sensitive and controversial subject”. But after throttling it a bit, I got this:
“Research in the realm of psychology and psychiatry does not support a consistent association between effeminacy and paedophilia.”
I asked ChatGPT Plus the same question:
“Homosexuality in males has been associated with effeminacy. Is there research that indicates the same applies to paedophilia?”
The first, and most useful, sentence of the reply said:
“There is no credible research that directly links paedophilia to effeminacy or any particular gender expression.”
>I asked AI.
Off-topic: Far from perfect, but for future research, give https://consensus.app a try.
Thanks, David, I’ll look into this. Info about research tools that could be useful for on-topic research is very much an on-topic topic! 🙂
I would still like to point out something about effeminacy. Some of us don’t like effeminacy because we see it as an imposture. What is expected of a man is that he behaves according to his sex and not that he histrionically imitates the opposite. As a homosexual, I am attracted to virility, not a false and forced femininity. I simply like authentic things, not imitations.
Confused Man
Before I fully recognised my sexual feelings as a Map I always seemed to get on with children more than adults I didn’t fully pick up on it at the time but looking back it was always there, I was always very good with children in fact better with them than any other adult was and I know this due to spending so much time with my uncles children and other children that I had spent time with in the past I always connected with them on their level and they always connected with me on my level and maybe its because like many gay men connect with women so well because of their femininity (due to them understanding women better than straight men) Paedophiles understand children in the same way and that is why we connect with them so well, I have never been able to understand what women want but with children things just seem to come more naturally to me.
I always connected with them [children] on their level
> Psychologist call it “emotional congruence with children.”
I have just done a google search of what you have said “Emotional congruence with children is an exaggerated affective and cognitive affiliation with children that is posited to be involved in the initiation and maintenance of sexual offending against children and I can say that I had no intentions of any sexual offending (there where desires on an unconscious level maybe) and maybe I thought of a protentional legal relationship when they reached aoc in the future (I never held my breath on that i didnt read to much into it) but no sinister intentions like the google search suggests at all.
Historically, homosexuality in pre-industrial societies has mainly been of two types: paederasty, that is, intergenerational male bonding (especially in militaristic societies like Sparta or the Japanese samurai), and transgendered homosexuality (Hijra in South Asia, Faafafine in Samoa). Thus, many contemporary gays are effeminate because they are probably partially transgendered, while boy-lovers are not effeminate.
Re human sexuality I have always wondered why so are so many more male Maps compared to female Maps and does anyone here have any theories as to why that is?
One theory is that because female fetuses don’t go through the masculinisation process during which these “changes in sexuality” happen.
I don’t have an explanation off-hand, but you might find some answers in:
Pedophilia: Biosocial Dimensions (ed. by Jay R. Feierman, 1990), which features chapters by John Money, Paul Okami, Vern Bullough and others. Talks about primate/monkey behavior amongst other things…
There are probably many more women MAPs than publicly acknowledged; our society is blinded by the prejudice of “pure and motherly” women and “sex-obsessed” men. Non-reproductive sexual behaviours are generally more frequent among men than among women, for instance about 3% gays and 1% lesbians. From an evolutionary perspective, before monogamy was instituted, a minority of males was sufficient for reproduction, one male could make several females pregnant; so the remaining males would practice non-reproductive sexual behaviours.
Christian
There are probably many more women MAPs than publicly acknowledged;
You maybe onto something I suppose its a bit like for instance once upon a time the overwhelming majority of people on the Autistic Spectrum where men and very few females where as now we have more women than ever being diagnosed and one theory for this is because women and girls are better at masking their behavior than what boys and men are and as a guess they are also better at hiding their true sexual feelings. I don’t claim to be an expert but I guess its something to think about anyway.
Hm… I am hetero paedophile, and although not exactly disgusted, I don’t like any excessive presentation of adult female sexuality either. So, isn’t it just a natural reaction, when you are into kids?
Although it might be difficult to understand for us, teleiophiles don’t like excessive presentation of kids’ sexuality, too.
From F.B. ELVIS Fan – Lesley Joseph
These people are SICK ,, To marry a child ???
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1392860001884425
Though I’ve heard that his relationship with Priscilla wasn’t always happy / positive, plenty of relationships are far from ideal. Most do not have the added struggles and scrutiny that celebrity status can bring, and it’d be unfair for me to hold Elvis and Priscilla to 2020s relationship standards.
If they treated each other well (for the most part), loved each other, brought some joy and stability to each other’s lives, then that’s a wonderful thing.
Elvis was based. And the MAP community seems to love this song:
https://fstube.net/w/c9wFQE2GDLfhmV1QQuDRct
>These people are SICK ,, To marry a child ???
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1392860001884425
Lesley Joseph (via the link) was referring to centuries ongoing HOT Lolis some.forced to marry mature macho Muslim beardy men MAPs believing they are merely following their medieval MAP Prophet Muhammad.
Not forgetting tens of thousands of modern UK Muslim Lolis from age 5 life-scarred victim survivors aBused by gutless UK cops callous criminal neglect of the 1985 anti-FGM EU/UK law with only one UK conviction in 40 years, and just a 1-minute medical to prove or disprove a case. While caring non-Anglo mainland modern EU soon all but eliminated the vile bloody ritual.
FGM: Lack of convictions ‘a national scandal’
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37364079
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wives_of_Muhammad
Positively euphoric pre-Tot HOT Lolis – HOTTER than pre-Tot HOT Laddies.
2013 dysphoric Anglo NEGATIVE Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences, Jan et al draw attention to an intriguing paroxysmal motor phenomenon in infants labelled “gratification disorder,”
“infantile masturbation,” “self-stimulation in infancy” or variations thereof. Descriptions of the disorder dating back to Bakwin and earlier, are generally similar and stereotypical; the crucial role for home video recordings is highlighted by the example from Jan et al. Onset in most cases is under one year of age, often as early as one to five months, with the overwhelming majority being female.
During episodes, the lower limbs are stiff, often adducted, and there may be rubbing of the thighs; if
the infant is supine, rhythmic pelvic movements may occur; movements of the tongue, neck (twisting), and hands have also been reported. Irregular breathing, diaphoresis, grunting and other vocalisations are often associated. Infants may exhibit similar behavior in car seats, high chairs or on laps of caregivers, and young children may do so against objects such as dolls or chairs etc.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/715AF3045CE407D0E1C98380265B77EA/S0317167100014189a.pdf/gratification_masturbation_or_paroxysmal_hyperkinetic_motor_syndrome_of_infancy.pdf
>Descriptions of the disorder dating back to Bakwin and earlier, are generally similar and stereotypical; the crucial role for home video recordings is highlighted by the example from Jan et al.
Modern disordered Anglo Victorian ‘academics’ falsely demonize horny infants naturally masturbating, and also CRIMINALLY video them for so called ‘research’..
Next an Anglo Modern Witch Hunt to trace and retro-prosecute those CRIMINAL Anglo academic vid-makers?
Quote, SeXy ’70s giggling HOT Loli, 4, naturally fast humping on Bold MAP’s firm back, “I like doing ‘upsie-downsies’ on your back, it makes me feel all ‘iggerly skwiggerly’!!”
https://eu.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2025/03/14/ai-generated-images-texas-legislature-senate-bill-20-criminalize-child-porn/82335584007/
[Currently being discussed online in relation to fears around anime / hentai being banned / criminalized.
This bill explicitly states “child” as being “under 18” years old, so they’re not even just targeting lolicon / shotacon, i.e. representations with at least some pre-pubescent features. Legislators know the law can’t target age in art, since the artists will just declare all characters to be over 18 and draw / animate what they want. Instead, they’ll target anything that “looks” under 18 years old, whatever that means!
Say goodbye to your busty, totally made-up highschool students that frequent hentai comics! Looks like an adult in every way, with breats bigger than her head but wearing a school uniform! Buzzzz! Banned! Go straight to horny jail (except it’s real jail)!
Legislators will justify themselves by saying they’re concerned that AI has gotten so good, that the difference between real and fake images becomes blurred. The viewer cannot tell or know if no real person was indeed involved in the image’s production. I’m not sure AI is that good, but say I concede it could well be, we’d still return to the classic “voodoo argument” of harm in child pron cases. I.e. the metaphysical, arguably non-existant “harm,” imputed in to looking at pixels on a screen. Like Voodoo, someone is supposed to be harmed by your action, even though they’re not there, may have no idea you’re thinking of them, or with AI might not even exist!
Let’s pray this bullshit gets pushed back on, and doesn’t get enacted and acted on more broadly. Artwork should not be criminalized…]
>Artwork should not be criminalized…
In the UK, unfortunately, it has been illegal since 2009. In the US they can at least appeal state law on federal First Amendment grounds.
An appeal against state law will be ignored because people have a propensity to prejudices which they place above the law or use the law to justify them. Approved slavery, prohibited interracial and same-sex marriages, etc. – All this was based on the law. And now there remains the last false taboo on understanding and accepting children’s sexuality.
I wonder if academics or NGOs have made any attempt to track the amount of people who are criminalized for artwork in the UK. It would be a topic of unparalleled importance for criminologists.
Since the classifications of “category A, B, etc.” to my knowledge don’t discriminate between fictional and non-fictional pornography, we the public have no idea what people are actually being convicted for.
To my knowledge, researcher about this topic is both highly sensitive and few and far between, with some past research going under the banner of “virtual child pornography.” An example would be Alisdair Gillespie at the UK’s Lancaster University, who as you may know, wrote about your legal case, dear Tom!
This issue is similar to what a commenter here wrote, about why many MAPs will stay living in the shadows: it isn’t just the stigma, fear, potential loneliness or being hate crimed, it’s also that the people who have some past experience of these phenomena do not want to risk being criminalized for it. This surely applies to researchers who’d want to research cartoon porn and it’s criminalization, where you’d have to act like you’d never seen lolicon / shotacon artwork whilst writing about it.
Patrick Galbraith (the academic dubbed “the lolicon guy”) survives because he lives in Japan. He also accepts the injunction to live the boomer life of academia: keeping a relatively low profile and sticking to in-person events, as opposed to going on massive internet talk shows as a public academic. Even then, some of his work is extremely “academic.” That is, jargon heavy and designed to keep the Orcs away.
He studied as a PhD under Anne Allison, author of “Permitted and Prohibited Desires,” which famously discussed eromanga in a fairly matter-of-fact way. But she has moved on, and now focuses on Japanese practices around death and mourning. It’s obvious to me that Galbraith has made many efforts to protect himself. IMO he has become more jargon heavy lately, because he recognizes the increased sensitivity and public obsession with these issues, and doesn’t want to become the next Karl Andersson international scandal…
All that is to say, we need better research but there are personal and professional barriers that, depending on your race, sex, and where you live, will be difficult to overcome. It’s no coincidence that two of the leading English-language researchers in the “eromanga” space, are women who started early on. Namely, Sharon Kinsella (Karl Andersson’s PhD supervisor), and Anne Allison. Other authors who’ve made significant contributions have either come from Japan (so no one in the West cares), or published outside of academia under pseudonyms. Much important research will probably be left to women, who’ll feel safer addressing such topics; “the future is female,” as the saying goes… :p
>Alisdair Gillespie… who as you may know, wrote about your legal case, dear Tom!
Well, one of my cases: unfortunately, there have been quite a few! Well spotted, though, Prue. He wrote about R. v. O’Carroll [2003] EWCA Crim 2338, in a 2009 article for Criminal Law and Justice Weekly on the legal standing of child nudity,
Complete and utter lunacy.
One of the last bastions of lunacy. The world has made huge strides in combating racism and other forms of discrimination, but there are always pushbacks and attempts to reinstate past social orders. Racism, for example, offers a sense of stability and easy classification; it simplifies people into moboliths and “in” or “out” groups.
There’s much to be done on many fronts. Pick your battles and do what you think is right. As the late, great, Tony Benn once said, “there’s no final victory, and no final defeat.”
Am I being stupid, or is it really necessary for a MAP to see prohibited minor genitalia when they masturbate.
Is it sexually necessary to achieve climax? Sorry to put it in the bluntest terms; however, this is obviously an important conversation.
Probably not to the first one, probably yes to the second.
But ykow, from my admittedly non-MAP perspective, it’s asking a lot to expect MAPs to not look at porn of their preferred stage of sexual maturity, when I as a Teilio can spend hours upon hours drowning in lawful pornography. If I didn’t have porn and I wasn’t able to even try to initiate sexual contact w/ people I’m into, I think I’d have gone crazy. Especially when I was younger and my hornyness was off-the-charts: sex and sexuality has been such a big part of my life and my identity, but then not everyone’s as sexually-inclined as me…
It must feel terribly unfair that I can have unfettered, free and easy access to porn featuring every trope and kink imaginable, simply because I’m predominantly attracted to more developed bodies, which happen to be over the magic age line of 18. It’s a huge cruelty for society to then turn round and say they’re prohibiting drawings, animation, and AI as well, in addition to pornography featuring real-life individuals (who may be dead and cannot thus be “re-victimized” by some unknown person’s gaze).
In that sense, I agree with philosopher Ole Martin Moen, that pedophiles ought to be respected and not shunned, for working within the enormous restrictions society has imposed on them. They are restrictions hitherto known only to bygone homosexuals or “sodomites” of old, who now bask in the glory of their Faustian “consenting adults in private” bargain.
But yes, if Instagram or some other lawful medium floats you boat, isn’t ruining your life or mental health, then more power to you.
Pornography (eg. Pornhub or Xvideos) is culturally abhorrent mind poison; I wouldn’t wish such a nasty mind fuck on any MAP. Instagram is such a gentle, beautiful, sexy and safe way to experience children. I easily climax just to the face of a little girl, never mind incredible bikini pics with delicious perfect thighs.
If a MAP genuinely can’t even climax to a child bikini picture, is he really a MAP? Maybe Zoo is his thing instead.
Seriously though, if you claim to be turned on by a child, but can only get off to brutalistic Class A’s, what does that say about you?
>what does that say about you?
That you are not as easily aroused and every sight of a child does not turn you to a jerking pervert? 😉
Yes I’m a jerking pervert but so what, are you judging me? I have a swollen foreskin at the moment and have to take time off; my next one is Saturday night.
>Yes I’m a jerking pervert but so what, are you judging me?
LOL! What did you expect, Zen, after your own highly provocative, morally judgmental post?
Judge not, lest ye be judged!
An indignant response was all but inevitable following your latest outburst of seemingly irrepressible holier-than-thou sentiment. It is a constant theme from you, which appears to stem from tension between your own sexuality and your conservative upbringing/beliefs.
It may help to take a closer look at these beliefs/moral claims. In your earlier post, you wrote: “if you claim to be turned on by a child, but can only get off to brutalistic Class A’s, what does that say about you?”
First off, we humans are indeed animals. In doing “what comes naturally” we are much like the “brutes” we are accustomed to disparage in such expressions as “We, unlike dumb brutes, can reflect upon our impulses”. Reflect we may, but attempts to “pray away the gay”, or whatever the “perversion” may be, do not have an impressive history of success. They tend to leave people conflicted, torn between lust and piety, as you appear to be.
Another useful lesson from gay history is the old activist slogan “Born this way”. Gay people do not choose homosexual attraction. It is not a “lifestyle choice”, despite the efforts of conservatives, especially religious ones, to give it the moral loading implied in the choices we can make between right and wrong.
Ditto paedophilic attraction, of course. Let’s not forget that. What we do may be a moral issue but what we desire is not.
But let’s, for a moment, take your claims at literally face value. Bizarrely, as evidence of your moral superiority to other MAPs, you wrote, “I easily climax just to the face of a little girl”.
So that shows that you truly appreciate their beauty, does it, unlike more beastly MAPs who might need to see their genitals, and maybe some explicit sexual action, before experiencing orgasmic sexual excitement? And because you better appreciate their beauty you hold them in higher regard, and are a more caring, loving person?
I see no reason to doubt that you have a profound wish to treat children respectfully, but a capacity to orgasm just to their faces is hardly evidence in support of this contention.
What would be thought of a parent making any such claim? Their kids would be “taken into care” before you could say “masturbation”! Our culture, to be sure, is itself overinfluenced by traditional Christian hostility towards the body, and often misguidedly equates sexual feelings with moral iniquity. But we do get some things right: most of us would think good parents are those who love their kids and do everything possible to see them thrive, regardless of their sexuality – the parents’ own, I mean, but also the kids’.
>… my next one is Saturday night.
TMI! 🙂
Tom, wow first of all thank you for this excellent post which has revealed my own pride to me and given me a better self-understanding. You have an impressive mind.
Yes, it was pride that made me think of myself as better than other MAPs. I realise now I am not.
I don’t mean to be morally judgemental, and it hurts my own self-conception that I might sound ‘preachy’ to others. I really don’t want to be like that.
Finally Tom, let me just say that (as you know) I absolutely adore little girls, but at the same time I accept that many MAPs have a more active sexual component in their appreciation of little girls, than perhaps I am conditioned for or used to. This in no way expresses any differential moral value – to think so would be arrogant and presumptuous.
I’m genuinely sorry if I came across that way. With your thoughtful response, you exposed my own error to me, so thank you for that.
This is a commendably honest appraisal and “mea culpa”, Zen. I am not sure I could manage anything so constructively self-critical. Well done! Glad you think my input was helpful.
>Yes I’m a jerking pervert but so what, are you judging me?
No, I am not judging you. I don’t care how people achieve their orgasms :). For me, it is either with my wife (the best), AI role playing (second best), or VR porn. No real children involved. Yet, I wouldn’t judge you for jerking over Instagram, or others for using “Class A” pornography. Just don’t hurt anybody, right?
David, I agree it doesn’t matter how people achieve their orgasms. I went through a dark phase and have a spent conviction for indecent images…anyway, yes, during that dark time, I saw Class A’s (sigh). They weren’t brutal at all, but actually gentle, but I still looked, and masturbated to them…it was kind of weirdly thrilling at the time to legally endanger myself, do you understand? At times I was physically shaking. This is dark, I know. I don’t mean to disturb you, David. Anyway, I saw gentle vaginal and even anal penetration of children (and of course blowjobs) – don’t worry, it’s ALL a spent conviction now. Do I ever want it to be legalised? Not really no, to be painfully honest, but I know many MAPs do, and I actually respect that. There, I’ve revealed some things, and probably said enough for now…
I was a bit confused when you said “Brutal Class A,” because as I understand it, class A can be brutal, but may also simply refer to pornography featuring intercourse.
So, thank you for clarifying that through your own experience. And, sorry to hear that you’ve had some serious hardships related to these issues. Not just your inner struggle but also external, legal ones. I hope for the best for you, and hope your life improves significantly.
BEST OF SONG-YI | Sister Leveling – FULL SEASON 2, by The Anime Boiis on YouTube.
This comes from a 1.6 million subs channel, and is going semi viral right now, covered by anime commentary communities. It’s an abridged version of a popular Korean-based anime called “Solo Leveling,” with this video focusing on a female highschool student who (like virtually every other woman in the series), has the hots for the main character.
In the actual series, the main character is practically asexual, he’s singularly focused on using his skills to find a cure for his mother’s chronic illness, which takes him into dangerous situations in this world of monster hunting.
In this abridged takepiss, the editors focus on this 16-year-old highschool student for comedic effect, in entertaining but very juvenile jokes about “Epstein,” “Diddy,” and having to look up the age of consent. He has a screen which appears to give him missions, but unlike the serious plot driving ones of the series, they’ve been replaced with the “jail,” “incest,” and “furry” storylines…
Just like the actual series, our hero never reciprocates any romantic / sexual interest. Except that here, he is rendered as rejecting a “minor” because “he’d rather die.”
I never thought I’d sound like an old boomer, saying I’m glad I’m not growing up nowadays, surrounded by all this toxic bullshit. But honestly, what a horrible message this sends. So negative, so bound up with fear. Is this what we want young people growing up in? Really?! Where’s the joy in fancying someone? How just seeing them lights up your day?
The Anti’s aren’t even hiding behind “rape” or other false labels to silence dissent anymore: the mere mention of age alone – “how old is she?!” – is enough to bring down the weight of taboo…
To paraphrase the feminist Kate Millet, the age taboo is all the more damaging since it undermines reason and mental confidence itself. Age apartheid is shot through with contradiction: young people are presented as full of desire and agency that the legal adult must reject and avoid, but also as wee innocent “children” incapable of sexual feeling. The taboo demands that you question what you know to be true, and tries to shame you into reframing it or silence.
Apparently, it’s so abnormal to fancy a 16-year-old highschool student, but having to look up the age of consent is common enough to land as a joke that resonates with an audience of hundreds of thousands…
All the girl’s seem to fancy our main character, including his sister, yet once he’s off-limits and said to be dating her friend, the sister says it’s “gross.” Apparently, it only becomes “gross” when she has to see someone else being happy. I’ve seen this jealousy in real-life (only in women, but I’m sure men can do it too).
If you abstract this abridged cartoons’ messaging to society more broadly, you’ll notice there’s a lot of bitter, jealous people. Obsessed with seeing hot young people around every corner, through a process of disavowal they voyeuristically legitimize their proximity to and gaze upon the sexualized subject.
James Kincaid was right…
But, are real people, and by that, I mean all of them when in the real world, outside of internet, buying that? I’ve seen my young nieces a bit surprised when one of my friends in his forties talked about a sexy 12yo he has seen on the bus, but only because “12yo?she couldn’t have breasts yet, did she?” I mean, I understand hesitation when it comes to children, but teens? It doesn’t make any sense.
No one explains to people that we are all inherently sexual and we find each other sexually attractive based on various traits such as facial features, body proportions, and the way we speak and etc. A person does not necessarily have to be naked or be of a strictly defined age by society. If he/she does not match personal preferences, then even being naked may not arouse any sexual desires.
It’s considered cringe online to say things lack “nuance,” but in these discussions, yes, discourse on most popular platforms lacks nuance. So, thanks for adding some here :p
>It’s considered cringe online to say things lack “nuance,”
Why? Seems there’s a whole universe of discourse I’m missing here. Or perhaps I should ask Where? Where online is it “considered cringe”?
When I wrote that, I had in mind a YouTube video from Leftist creator Badmouse, where he’s responding to a right-winger (Lauren Southern I think). She says the Left ignores the nuance around X subject, and Badmouse flares up “Le Nuance?! What the hell is that?!” (Very similar to the Simpsons, “Le grill?! What the hell is that?!”)
Though, that video would be super old in YouTube terms: not sure which one it is…
An overt challenge to critical thought, would be the widespread “actually” meme: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ackchyually-actually-guy
In broader online spaces, people will sometimes invoke this “heh, ackchyually” meme to de-legitimize your questioning / criticism. Calling you nerdy, basically. Implying that you’re nit-picking.
So it’s a crudely mocking defence against factual information, whether nuanced or not.
OK, got it. Thanks!
No, real people, generally speaking, recognize that 16-year-olds are very different to 6-year-olds. Most people will be able to remember their own teenage horniess, so it’s realistic, not shocking or odd, to see teenage characters presented as full of desire for love, sex, and connection / affection.
But the Boomers won’t live forever. People who grew up in, say, the 80s or before, who lived in a much more relaxed world around teenager’s sexuality. Next will be Millenials, Gen Z and Gen Alpha, who are all being bombarded by “age gap” and “pedo” discourse on the daily.
The youngest ones are growing up online at younger ages than ever before. They have far more exposure to negative discourses around “trauma,” “abuse,” and “predators,” but are not encouraged to critically assess what they’re seeing. (In fact, it is considered taboo and dangerous to criticize the dominant discourse…)
I have met soon-to-be-18-year-olds, who won’t ask anyone out if they’re over 18 “to protect them.” It’s not always a “predator” discourse: they quite nobly think they’re protecting older people from stigma and catching a charge, which may well be true!
Interesting. Both your point and your experience with young people, which is different from my own. Let’s hope the nature (and love) will win and those culture ignited fears will subside again .
I’m going to move out of my comfort zone here. Although it is clear that hysterical women (right and left) are the majority support behind the cruel and disingenuous “metoo” age of consent laws, we need feminists like the one below to get out of this hole:
https://www.instagram.com/houseofveracruz/reel/C_ozm7OvRoy/
That woman, although a feminist lesbian unconcerned with men’s sexuality (maybe even hostile to it), would still be 10000x more likely than a conservative man or woman to have a reasonable conversation why age of consent laws are a complete fallacy, and that positive sexuality is majority beneficial to youth, as opposed to draconian legal punishment and embarrassment for them and their partners. This is something that anyone who is not blinded by personal sexual issues can see, easily.
It is clear that no one cares about men’s sexuality, including other men. But there is far more support for young women’s sexuality, but only in the context of the grifters and the state, which are profiting hugely from making every woman a victim. However, the opportunity is there to support AAM girls, with the help of older lesbians like the one above. That woman would probably be willing to support the statement “young girls should have the compete freedom to choose their sex partners, regardless of age or gender, as long as steps are taken to protect their absolute right to consent.”
Has HereticTOC strayed into the partisan political, in decrying Musk and Trump? Can a MAP not support Musk and Trump now?
As far as I am concerned, neither man is marked by Puritanism, but rather a kind of Bismarckian realpolitik. Even Trump doesn’t hate the MAP agenda for its own sake; but he simply must please a traditionalist base – meanwhile Elon cares far more about rockets and Mars.
You even have a dig at Zuckerberg – everyone knows Zuck revolutionised child bikini pictures, which are extremely MAP friendly, and completely legal.
Finally, while I get the trans – MAP alliance, let us not bend over backwards to say it is right that children should be persuaded into sex changes: I support drag, I support queer, I support queens, I have nothing against them…but the sanitising of gender dysphoria into a kind of lifestyle adventure is clearly very wrong and irresponsible.
>Has HereticTOC strayed into the partisan political, in decrying Musk and Trump? Can a MAP not support Musk and Trump now?
No straying, Zen. The danger these people pose, including vicious Vance and shape-shifting Zuckerberg, is too great to be ignored or glossed over.
Can a MAP not support Musk and Trump now? Yes, they can, and as long as posts are MAP relevant I continue to welcome their input here, including favourable comment on the current US administration. My hope is that comments from other readers will encourage them towards intelligent questioning of their faith in Trump et al.
Tom, I completely agree Trump appears socially right wing on key issues including MAPs, albeit out of necessity to his base.
This is no reason to hate on Trump and Musk: we must simply be wary of their pragmatic inclinations.
I was having a pub lunch today, and the little girls were so friendly and gentle. I think that, in any intelligent society, we make allowances that there can be mutual feelings between little girls and men. Whilst as men we don’t seek to exploit that, we can at least gently explore the curiosity of these little girls, and welcome their friendly social interaction; forging bonds in our local community. Don’t you agree?
They want to kill “paedos”.
“In April 2023, the Florida Legislature passed a bill allowing the death penalty for sexual battery of a child under the age of 12, after the urging of Governor Ron DeSantis in January 2023.”
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/background/crimes-punishable-by-death/death-penalty-for-child-sexual-abuse-that-does-not-result-in-death
And they put the law into practice:
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/florida-prosecutors-seek-first-death-sentence-under-new-child-sex-abuse-law
Sexual battery surely means a forcible rape? Horrifying for any child to experience. A gentle exploration of their sexuality, whilst illegal under US code, would surely not warrant the death penalty.
>Sexual battery surely means a forcible rape?
No, it does not. “Battery” in both US and UK law is a misleading term. In the context of a sexual offence against a child, it may mean no more than touching, even if the child was willing. Likewise, as is more widely known, there is an offence known as “statutory rape”, meaning that a rape charge has been made even though, in the case of older minors, it is acknowledged that the minor had given de facto consent.
In ordinary usage, if you give someone a battering it means you have beaten them up, with the implication of bruising at the very least and possibly much worse injury.
So, the use of both of these terms, “battery” and “rape”, in news reports is often very misleading, making cases seem much worse than they are.
That said, I imagine the Florida case was among the more serious ones. But we cannot be sure of that based just on the links given. No details of the case are given. All we are told is that a statement from the office of State Attorney William Gladson said the decision reflects the “severity of the crime and its impact on the community”. Also, the child was under 12.
This may be of interest:
https://www.narsol.org/2024/02/death-penalty-legislation-is-not-about-the-death-penalty/
https://www.narsol.org/2024/12/the-case-against-capital-punishment-for-child-sex-abuse/
Yes, Sugarboy, very interesting and important! MAPs need to know about NARSOL and its excellent awareness campaign, well exemplified in these articles.
My worry, though, is that American democratic politics might now be past paying attention to NARSOL’s voice of reason. Populist extremism could be heading for a point of no return. One of the articles is headed “Death penalty legislation is not about the death penalty”, with the implication that capital punishment proposals are just about cranking up stigma against MAPs rather than actually putting us to death.
While that may be correct for the moment, I don’t see how anyone can be confident as regards the longer-term direction of travel.
No offence, Zen, but no, just no… Legal codes, when it comes to non-normative and stigmatized sexual practices, are typically loaded with emotive and moral language. This tends to obscure the reality of the sexual behavior in question. “Rape” and “sexual assualt” (for example), are labels routinely applied to mutual and non-violent experiences which have trasgressed age of consent statutes. confusing the whole issue and the public alike.
Homosexual sex was once referred to as “indecency,” and such legal language still exists in places like the UK, where instead of “child” or “teen pornography” they say “indecent images.”
It’s one of the reasons I’m so skeptical of news reports about “rape” and “sex assault.” Sometimes, the media will go wild and say “sex attack,” which is usually code for sexual contact involving under 12s. The problem, of course, is that instead of saying “X masturbated Y behind the bike shed,” we get “X indecently assaulted Y”. This is vague as hell, sounding like a man morphed into a tiger (a “predator” as the linguo goes), and pounced upon an unsuspecting, small child. This is thankfully very rare, meaning that most of the time the media’s use of terms like these do not fairly represent the sexual offences in question.
“Sexual battery” is the same. It could refer to violent sexual behavior, but as this is rare it will much more likely refer to any sexual contact with a young child.
To reasonable people, yes, mutual sexual experiences without force, especially if the youngster testifies positively, would not be rendered as “sexual battery.” But legal codes are not so reasonable…
Mutually willing sexual contact when it involves minors, morphs into “rape” and “sexual assualt.” That’s the current dominant discourse, and a huge contributing factor in the demonization of MAPs, as many people won’t make any attempt to think past the negative labels…
Indeed, the law and media work hand in glove to simply disregard facts and lie about sex crimes, and no one accused of such crimes has the gumption to sue for defamation for example. I would think that at least one person accused of such crimes would do so, but the fact is, the airing of dirty laundry in Anglo court makes everyone embarrassed because everyone is sexually repressed, which makes juries and judges hesitant to listen because no one is an adult about sex, everyone has hang-ups and extreme personal emotions about sex that make it impossible to be objective, and quick to condemn. Not to mention the laws are written to disallow any sort of defense that attacks the legitimacy of the laws themselves (it’s very hard to get a jury nullification argument past a judge). It’s the biggest witch hunt in human history, right in front of us, and nobody seems to notice or care.
People talk about freedom and free speech and all these lofty ideals, and completely ignore the obvious, open, and extreme persecution of youth sexuality, those who participate in it, and indeed, anyone who would even dare to discuss it is immediately censored from all popular discourse. It’s complete lunacy, society cannot function normally in this manner.
>They want to kill “paedos”. “In April 2023, the Florida Legislature passed a bill allowing the death penalty for sexual battery of a child under the age of 12, after the urging of Governor Ron DeSantis in January 2023.”
Retard Far Right populist Anglo Ron follows the fake witch hunt of retard Far Right populist Anglo (Child Abuser) Musk’s grooming-gangs fake panic.
20 years after the 2005 Anglo BBC spoof show ‘Paedo Finder General’ and 3 decades after the retard Anglo fake Satanic panics. (17th Century Salem were fucking AMATEURS!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_panic
Damn The Children When The Devil Must Be Found: ‘And still all over Europe stood the horrible nurses Itching to boil their children. Only his verses perhaps could stop them.’ I THOUGHT of those lines last Monday night, as I watched Panorama’s television account of the Orkney ‘Satanic abuse’ scandal. They come from W H Auden’s poem ‘Voltaire at Ferney’, which is about the defence of humanity against superstitious madness. Panorama played an audiotape: a six- year-old girl screaming tearful denials to three adult interrogators. ‘He did so put his dickie in your fanny’ they insisted. She screamed again.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/damn-the-children-when-the-devil-must-be-found-1563398.html
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>Has HereticTOC strayed into the partisan political, in decrying Musk and Trump? Can a MAP not support Musk and Trump now?
Does every decrying need to be “partisan political”? I don’t like this duo, or rather… some of their actions and their arrogant style, but it doesn’t mean I’d be cheering up for Biden or Kamala.
Looking back at just a couple of last blog posts here, I think it is very clear Tom cannot care less about partisan politics. I wish more people are capable of thinking this way, critically, practicing some level of skepticism even towards their preferred leaders.
That is fair enough David. I will admit I am a more trusting sort. I am actually on Universal Credit – I kind of rely on the government in a big way. They have given so much to me. I am, as of about 3 months ago, a card carrying Labour member (this is somewhat contradictory, as my past voting record was very Conservative). I love Reeves’ fiscal plan. Anyway, my point is that I cannot speak for any American, and I get the frustration with anti-MAP governmental bias. However, we are still granted a fairly free society in which to pursue our social relations: even if explicit sexual words and acts are prohibited between adults and children.
Sorry to hear about your struggles, Zen. I hope you are better off soon!
The Problem with “Predator Catcher” Culture – Gerbert’s Void (YouTube, March 2025).
Pretty good video from Gerbert Johnson, owner of a much larger channel under that name, who focuses on the struggles of Gen-Z, and Gen-Z men in particular. Here, he provides some much needed skepticism that we have, in fact, gone “too far” with the whole “predator hunting” thing, now routinely shrugging off men beating up autistic men they’ve entrapped online.
Gerbert’s most popular videos include his Tinder experiments, showing the difference between being a hot / ugly / older woman or man on the apps. As expected, we all know how that plays out: depressing and hyper competitive, ego crushing misery for men, and being overwhelmed and confused and frustrated for women who are even half-decent looking. Here’s an example:
https://youtu.be/BZgHM6mklSE?feature=shared
Gerbert is both entertaining and depressing, IMO. I don’t agree with his anti-porn shtick, though I completely recognize that porn can be a massive time-sink, amongst other issues.
Occasionally, though, he makes good points. His emphasis on demographics is interesting, if scary in its implications: predicting how people having less kids will shape dating in the future…
Anyway, enjoy and save a copy whilst you can! It’s only just come out, and though he probably won’t take it down, you never know!
“If you think 18 and 22 is a problematic age gap, you are cucked beyond imagination.”
Yes, my young friend, the USA and the rest of the Anglosphere are indeed “cucked beyond imagination.” There is no solution because the laws are written in stone and middle aged women are empowered at record levels.
Interesting how you mentioned autism. Im autistic, and have struggled to talk to females my whole life. But im not falling for these dumb ass bullies traps. And it does seem to be just bullies. Protecting children? Um, how can you judge if an invisible person is capable or not? These same people dont want Shamina Begun in the country, who was an
not innocent 15 year old
when it suits them…I do personally think there’s likely a link between pedophilia / minor attraction and autism. Though, it could be that autism is related to emotional congruence with children, not sexual attraction to children per se.
I don’t know if it’s been tested in scholarship, but it should be. A very important future research project…
Taking up David’s suggestion (see his post of 18:34 in reply to me), I have just asked Consensus “Is autism associated with paedophilia?”
The really cool thing is that instead of replying with a general answer, I was given a list of five relevant specific research papers, with easy access to their Abstracts.
The first one doesn’t mention paedophilia per se in its Abstract, but paedophilia is classed as a paraphilia and the Abstract says, “associations were found between paraphilias and ASD (autism spectrum disorder) symptom severity, intellectual ability, and adaptive functioning.”
This is the first of the five papers:
Aspects of Sexuality in Adolescents and Adults Diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorders in Childhood
Lucrecia Cabral Fernandes, C. Gillberg, Mats Cederlund +3 more authors
Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders
Published Jul 11, 2016
Abstract
The literature concerning sexuality in autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) is limited regarding inappropriate sexual behaviours and paraphilias and its relation to age, verbal ability, symptom severity, intellectual ability, or adaptive functioning. A cohort of 184 adolescents and young adults (ages 15–39 years) with ASD diagnosed in childhood, including both low and high functioning individuals, was examined. The large majority were found to have a sexual interest and showed interest towards the opposite sex. Inappropriate sexual behaviours and paraphilias were reported for about a fourth of the individuals. No relationships were found between inappropriate sexual behaviours and any of the background variables listed above. However, associations were found between paraphilias and ASD symptom severity, intellectual ability, and adaptive functioning.
“I completely recognize that porn can be a massive time-sink, amongst other issues.”
I’m curious to hear you elaborate on what you think these other issues are, if you don’t mind.
Sorry for slow reply.
It’s hard for me because I’m slightly defensive, as I don’t want to legitimize people who would seek to ban or regulate porn. I generally see porn as harmless, and a great profession if you’re comfortable getting into it…
Problems with porn? Well, time-sink can itself involve elements of obsession / fixation, especially in men who psychologists (like Paul Okami) have claimed are more visually oriented when compared to women. It is sometimes claimed that porn, and also OnlyFans, exploits male loneliness. Well, it probably does in the online space, but rendered differently, it also provides opportunity, and diversity / access to novel sexual media…
Some obvious porn problems include:
1.) Porn addiction. I respect Dr. David Ley immensely, and enjoy his criticism of discourses around this. But, I do feel that porn can be addictive, in the sense of it becoming detrimental to one’s functioning and flourishing. Instead of complimenting a relationship where you watch porn with your partner, for example, many people use porn as a crutch, a stand-in for a relationship with a real person.
For many people, who for whatever reason are unlikely to be able to attract what they’re into – MAPs, older people, especially fat or jaded and miserable people, etc. – they’re basically excused from this, since porn and fantasy may be their only realistic / not totally ego-destroying option. Teilios, however, have less of an excuse…
But, to be fair to “my kind,” young teilio men are having to navigate pedo hysteria, which shames attraction to young women. So, it’s understandable that young Teilio men would retreat to, or bask in the glory of porn… For many, it is far more pleasant than facing down crazy women who fancy you one second, but then go-off-you when they discover you’re older than they expected (I’ve dubbed this “age apartheid.”)
2). Alienation and “weirdness.” – You pick-up non-normative interests (e.g. nose hooks). You come to feel that you’re “weird” and don’t fit in, depending on your culture and who you happen to meet or make effort to meet…
In reality, most people are open to doing practically anything lawful, if they know you, trust you, and fancy you, so this is more of a pre-relationship “in your own head” worry, as a consequence of porn use…
3). Unrealistic expectations. It is often claimed that porn increases expectations about what sex acts people will engage in, and the fitness / healthiness of the bodies one is interested in sexually. This is especially relevant when, in the U.S., there’s an apparent obesity crisis…
I regard this as a sex negative perspective, because we should all be trying to look our best and be our best, not just for ourselves, but for our lovers and prospective lovers. The previous perspective seems to accept and legitimize that we all grow fat, or ugly, or prudish, when this is far from true. (Even if it was generally the case, we should strive to make it not the case!!) Age as a number cannot be helped, but how you age can be…
I’ve got nothing else off the top of my head! Perhaps you’ll have something to add, Allo!
All the best, live long and prosper ~
Purely anecdotally, but I was recently forced to challenge my understanding that no porn can make you into a paedophile. The question was asked on one of the well known art website, and there were quite a lot of responses of people who believed that they are into kids because of “sholicon” (an art depicting fictional children in erotic context). Some of them believed it just helped them to uncover the hidden truth, while others believed it is only because of the pornography they were consuming.
My very open-minded and very knowledgeable therapist (who is an expert on the topic pedophilia and doesn’t even hesitate to recommend me spending more time around children and even form relationships with them) explained to me that she could not recommend the use of (child) pornography as a safe outlet to all of her clients, because it has a very variable effect on different people. She also holds the opinion that even fictional pornography involving children should be illegal for those reasons, adding “smart people will find the way to get around the law, but we need the law to limit the access to this material for the people with lower levels of social intelligence”.
For context, until only few years ago, the usage of child pornography was commonly recommended to pedophilic clients by sexologists in our country, and the National Institute for Mental Health unsuccessfully fought against the law criminalising CSAM consumption. For youngsters, this might sound quite unbelievable :).
Ex-AAM Gay Harvey Fierstein, “When I was a kid, I was attracted to men. I didn’t feel like a boy was supposed to feel.”
Harvey Forbes Fierstein (/ˈfaɪərˌstiːn/ FIRE-steen; born June 6, 1952)[1] is an American actor, playwright, and screenwriter, known for his distinctive gravelly voice.[2][3][4] He gained notice for his theater work in Torch Song Trilogy, winning both the Tony Award for Best Play and Best Actor in a Play. He went on to win the Tony Award for Best Book of a Musical for La Cage aux Folles, then Best Actor in a Musical for playing Edna Turnblad in Hairspray, a role he reprised for the Hairspray Live! television special.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Fierstein
“Supposed to feel”!? Tell that to the Sambia people! Tell that to Elton John with his famous “I was begging to be molested” comment!
Being attracted to adults is totally normal! Makes a lot of sense, especially as a youngster. As a young gay boy, who’d you find more attractive, the man who’s well-built, agentic, has at least some resources and experience with which he can show you a good time, or an awkward, stumbling peer-aged virgin boy? For many, the answer is obvious, and the same applies to females…
Why we’re all expected to gaslight ourselves and deny reality, it’s so ridiculous and annoying. As I always say, when minors look at porn they are, pretty much by default, looking at porn of adults. They are, on the daily, attracted to and masturbating to adults. At least, I know I was! (Maybe I was the weird one? 😮 )!
You like what you like, that’s life. I was brought up on so much talk about “acceptance” and diversity, yet everywhere on this one issue, that of minor attraction, people are willing to throw out those ‘principles’ to join the mob and not be singled out as a heretic. Fuck these poser scum.
[Lost my train of thought and have no positive way to wrap up this rant. Ummm, get lots of sunshine, it feels baller! 🙂 ]
More Quora.
Related questions:
Im 13 years old and I would prefer to watch 13 years old teens porn. Is it normal, possible, illegal?
I watch porn. I am 14 years old and it feels good when I watch it. Is this natural? Should I stop? Is it okay to think about it from time to time?
Would you allow your child to watch porn? If yes, at what age?
I’m a 12-year-old girl, and I masturbate while watching porn. Is that okay?
What is the best video to watch while masturbating?
I am 16 and want to watch underage porn (people at my age having sex). Should I search for it?
Why do we consider it wrong for minors to see sex or watch porn?
I am 16 and sometimes I feel like watching porn. Will it harm me? I don’t masturbate. Can I watch it?
Do you watch porn without masturbating?
If it’s clear that under-age-of-18 kids are watching porn, then why does the law still require for you to be 18 or above in order to watch porn?
My 12-year-old son is masturbating in his room and I came in on him doing it while watching porn. What do I do?
I caught my 17-year-old son watching porn and masturbating, how should I go about this?
Should I allow my child to watch porn?
How would you react if you caught your 11 year old son watching porn?
Should I let my kid watch porn to masturbate?
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-normal-and-legal-3-13-for-young-minors-to-masturbate-and-watch-porn-after-experiencing-sexual-abuse
There are so many posts like this that feel like AI generated bot spam. Posted to provoke engagement.
Hard to believe that some of these are legit. There is arguably a problem of “oversharing” online, which is part of why these posts seem more like bots.
The hilarious posts of the “I caught my son / daughter masturbating, whatever should I doooo?” variety are so clearly bullshit. There’s no way a parent, an adult who has lived 30-plus years by the time they have teenaged offspring, would be so prudish and squeamish to need to ask the internet. It’s a post designed to elicit debate and discussion; the serious answer is “nothing! Let kids be kids!”
Quoras terrible. i asked how can it be trafficking of 16 year olds when they can traffick themselves? reply went on a mad rant about it being unacceptable to be with anyone under 21 and you get 15 years and register and nowhere to live. nice , Christian chap.
“Under 21”!?? Dude’s brain broken… Needs psychiatric intervention stat!
Gotta avoid listening to crazy people online…
This is both hilarious and sad. I remember being far from 13 and stealing nudie mags from the corner shop with friends so we could pass them around to wank with later.
Call me an idiot, but I still find it a bit strange that loving kids is criminal while killing them is okay.
Gaza: How To Survive A War Zone (banned BBC documentary)
https://1a-1791.com/video/fwe2/53/s8/2/L/O/r/_/LOr_x.caa.mp4
Unfortunately, these people are suffering from their own authorities, who keep them as cannon fodder, nurturing hatred in them in order to join the ranks of Hamas terrorists, and hide behind their backs when Israel strikes for the actions of these terrorists. And most of the money allocated as aid goes to Hamas.
If you look at Wikipedia, you will find out that the current leaders of Palestine and Iran studied at the so-called Peoples’ Friendship University in Moscow, created by the KGB to recruit students from third world countries.
MODERATOR ADDS:
As part of my on-going, so far not very successful, efforts to heave discussion here away from the immense gravitational pull of current world politics, I need to critique Harlan’s comment.
It is totally off topic. I would delete it but for that fact that it is in reply to David’s post, which was at least directly child-related, albeit with no further HTOC relevance.
Who is to blame for this unruly trend on the forum? Well, me, of course. My current blog does stray into general politics on account of the gravity alluded to. Accordingly, there is no fair point at which I can start to delete the inevitable partisan sniping my folly has set in train, and with passions running high there is an argument for letting these exchanges of fire run their course.
My dilemma, though, is that this forum could easily descend into Twitter/X as a consequence. So, let me reiterate, do not be surprised if, fairly or not, off-topic comments (from anyone) are deleted.
Sorry, I didn’t want to initiate a political debate. I posted it because the movie is about children… and because I thought we all would agree that killing children is bad, irrespective of our political leaning. And I wanted to make the point I did. I’d understand if such comments are not allowed or deleted.
I understand, David. No matter what the antis think about MAPs, we cannot entertain the idea of harming children and we all feel sincerely sorry for these poor children, who found themselves hostages of politicians
Killing children bad
Anyone with compassion loves kids regardless because they are so sweet and lovely and appeal deeply to the senses and to the mind; meanwhile kids being hurt in war zones appalls every heart and mind which has the minimum level of kindness and human feeling. Men and women alike feel a protective instinct towards children: wanting to nurture and nourish them, give them pleasure, happiness and joy, and give them fulfilling lives.
Mi primera vez – Library Genesis PDF (in Spanish).
In the comments below, Captain tells us that in this book,
If you fancy running the PDF through a translator and re-uploading, that’d be a job well done. There may be some new, hitherto unknown positive testimonies…
Sounds good, like The Spada Report of 1979, by James Spada, which was a gay sex equivalent to the earlier, sensationally received, Hite Report on female sexual experience, including childhood first encounters.
The link you posted has nothing to do with the book. It’s about another book with the same title, but it’s not that one. The one I said is “Mi primera vez: Cien historias de amor y erotismo entre hombres”, by Marcos Benítez and Jesús Generelo, Ediciones La Tempestad, 2003. I see it can still be bought on Amazon and other sites.
https://www.amazon.es/Mi-Primera-Vez-No-ficci%C3%B3n/dp/8479489626
https://www.libreriaberkana.com/libros/mi-primera-vez/84-7948-962-6/ https://www.libreriaberkana.com/libros/mi-primera-vez/84-7948-962-6/
https://www.agapea.com/libros/Mi-primera-vez-9788479489625-i.htm
It would be nice if someone could scan it and upload it somewhere. I don’t know if there would be any problems with copyright.
By the way, one of the authors of “Mi primera vez”, Jesús Generelo Lanaspa, was president of the Federación Estatal de Lesbianas, Gays, Trans, Bisexuales, Intersexuales, Intersexuales y más (FELGTBI+; English: National Federation of Lesbians, Gays, Trans, Bisexuals, Intersex, and more) of Spain between 2015 and 2018. Since his tenure as president of FELGTBI+ coincides with the period when the age of consent was raised from 13 to 16 in Spain, it would be interesting to know why neither Jesús Generelo, nor FELGTBI+ nor any other gay association or leader raised any critical voice at the time to defend homosexuals, both adults and minors, who were going to be affected by the raising of the age of consent? Many homosexuals have already been imprisoned since 2015 for having held consensual relations with minors, but which are no longer considered consensual. I have yet to see any gay activists or stand up for the rights of these people.
Generelo also collaborated in a work called “Adolescencia y sexualidades minoritarias: voces desde la exclusión” (2008).
> it would be interesting to know why neither Jesús Generelo, nor FELGTBI+ nor any other gay association or leader raised any critical voice at the time to defend homosexuals, both adults and minors, who were going to be affected by the raising of the age of consent?
Because they are hookers.
> That’s more like it! I did think the book description of the one I posted was odd! Couldn’t see any other when I looked!
The only gay activist I have seen defend paedophiles in Spain, decades ago, was Armand de Fluvià, a historic activist who died in 2024. But I’m not aware of him making any statements against raising the age of consent in 2015 either.
Do you have a link to anything about this? Couldn’t find anything on Armand de Fluvià and pedophilia when I looked… :p
There is not much published by or about Armand de Fluvià in relation to paedophilia, but what little there is is clear and forceful. Armand de Fluvià considered that the defence of paedophilia should be one of the workhorses of gay organisations. In an interview he gave in 1996 for the Basque magazine Hika, Armand de Fluvià says, for example, that “paedophiles are not corrupters of minors: they love minors”, or “in sexuality, everything is valid, as long as you do not force or do not violate anyone”. And Armand Fluvià’s position is all the more meritorious because, it seems, he himself was NOT a paedophile.
I have found what appears to be a reference to a 1980 monograph by Armand de Fluvià entitled “Documents on homosexual paedophilia”, but unfortunately I am unable to find more reliable references other than this one.
https://www.todostuslibros.com/libros/documentos-sobre-pedofilia-homosexual_978-84-300-3015-6
When Armand de Fluvià passed away in 2024, the press spoke respectfully of the death of the historic gay leader and gay organisations dedicated tributes to him. But nothing was said about his support for the MAPs. It was not convenient.
It is curious that there is an unfounded rumour that the LGBTI+ movement supports paedophilia and the legalisation of intergenerational relationships, when we all know that this is not the case and it is extremely difficult to find gay activists in favour of paedophilia. In the case of Spain, Armand de Fluvià is the only one I know of, and the only two or three people who have ever dared to insinuate anything in favour of paedophiles apart from him were heterosexual and right-wing, like Fernando Sánchez-Dragó.
As Edward Brongersma said in the 1980s in Pedo Alert News magazine, paedophilia is possibly the most misunderstood subject of all.
Below, there’s discussion about historical changes to the age of consent in Spain.
I looked into it and made a page for one of the figures mentioned, influential writer and TV personality https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/Fernando_Sanchez_Drago
He always seems to have dated significantly younger women, and lived what sounds like a fascinating life…
I did reply yesterday but you didn’t publish the reply. I didn’t mean to come across as rude but you did expand over these topics in your blog, so don’t be surprised when the conversation drifts off topic. As it happens I was citing your books and research on a free speech (supposedly) platform when the subject of Peter Tatchell came up regarding his comments in 1998/99. It got people triggered that the moderator stated they they will be discussing it with the team the next day. After the comments thread was removed. Having said that, I do sometimes get a few up votes along with mostly down votes. There are many Libertarians on the right who are open to child sexual agency.
>so don’t be surprised when the conversation drifts off topic.
You are right that my blog ranged widely on the political front, albeit with a primary focus on MAP concerns, especially as regards Elon Musk’s strident intervention into UK politics through the grooming issue. While his support for AfD, to which I drew attention, may not appear to be directly connected with anything MAP-related, I can report that AfD is currently active in anti-MAP activity in the state parliament of Saxony. This should come as no surprise.
Vaccine-related conspiracy theory, OTOH, I judge to be more clearly off topic, although I might consider vaccination policy to have a legitimate place in our deliberations when discussed specifically in connection with the vaccination of minors and of child/youth rights.
Unfortunately, decisions of this sort are always going to be somewhat arbitrary, but I do feel they have to be made in order to avoid irrelevant discussion that most readers would feel was better suited to other forums. So, to echo your own expression, don’t be surprised if off topic posts are deleted.
I like your enthusiasm, Pat, and feel many of your posts contribute positively to a healthy diversity of opinion expressed here. So, keep the posts coming when you have a mind to, but please try to bear relevance in mind.
” I can report that AfD is currently active in anti-MAP activity in the state parliament of Saxony. This should come as no surprise.”
Certainly surprises me, and i follow commentary on Kraut politics pretty.closely. Please can you link us to the relevant material you have seen?
PS saddened to see you refer so glibly there to “vax-related conspiracy theory” The proper term is cock-up, sir.
Germany is a federal state, with lots of parliaments. There must be very few Germans, if any, who know what is going on in all of them, never mind the rest of us.
But to answer your question, Mr Turp, the link below is to the website of German MAP organisation Krummer 13, where the news in question was recently posted.
>The proper term is cock-up, sir.
Government cock-ups, certainly, plus conspiracy theories (or fantasies) dreamed up based on even less knowledge than those who were running what was almost inevitably a shit-show because the situation was new and difficult (hence the cock-ups).
Here’s the link, plus translated report:
https://www.krumme13.net/2025/02/landtag-niedersachsen-debattiert-am-27-februar-2025-entschliessungsantrag-der-afd-fraktion-den-kampf-gegen-kinderpornografie-intensivieren-und-noch-entschlossener-durchfuehren/
On 27 February 2025, the Lower Saxony State Parliament will debate the AfD parliamentary group’s motion for a resolution: Intensify the fight against child pornography and carry it out even more decisively.
[ Author of this article: Dieter Gieseking ] [ Written on 23 February 2025 ]
AfD motion for a resolution (among others): “To consistently distance oneself from any trivialisation or relativisation of child and youth pornography, as is also practised, for example, on the website “wir-sind-auch-menschen.de””
The AfD parliamentary group has submitted a motion for a resolution (Document 19/6521) to the Lower Saxony state parliament, which will be debated in first reading on Thursday, February 27, 2025. Before that, there was already a minor inquiry to the Lower Saxony state government. The AfD motion calls on the state parliament, among other things: The state parliament firmly rejects decriminalization or liberalization in dealing with pedophilia at all levels. To consistently distance itself from any trivialization or relativization of child and youth pornography, as is also done on the website “wir-sind-auch-menschen.de”, for example. The AfD completely fails to recognize that the pedophilia project “Wir sind auch Menschen (WsaM)” has never campaigned for the legalization of sexual relationships and child and youth pornography. The WsaM project does NOT continue the earlier efforts of the “Federal Working Group on Gays, Pederasts and Transsexuals” (BAG SchwuP) and the former GREENS. In its motion for a resolution, the AfD instrumentalizes the true positions of WsaM in a shameful manner. In contrast, the AfD faction completely ignores the political positions and demands of K13online. It remains to be seen whether our activities will also be addressed and debated at the first consultation. It is highly likely that the AfD motion for a resolution will not find a majority in the Lower Saxony state parliament. Nevertheless, in today’s zeitgeist, it can be considered a “success” that this complex of issues was even put on the agenda. K13online will inform the Lower Saxony state government (SPD & GREENS) and all factions represented in the state parliament of this news. In addition to the demands that should be rejected, the motion for a resolution also contains truths: Over 42% of those suspected of distributing, possessing or producing child pornography via the Internet or IT devices are minors, many of them even under the age of 14. This means that thousands of children and young people are criminalized according to Section 184b of the Criminal Code. Instead of counteracting this criminalization, the AfD motion also calls for strict action against children who produce, possess and distribute child pornography of themselves. However, it is completely absurd that such prosecution should serve the purpose of “protecting children”. The opposite is the case: the children/young people affected by their own production become victims of the legislature…
“wir sind auch Menschen”! You’d think the pealing of those words alone would suffice to melt the Schnee around a Saxony heart, und dass kleine Mädchen, vom Himmel fallen!
MODERATOR ADDS:
Remainder deleted as off topic: see mod. response to Harlan’s post today. At least your ” und dass kleine Mädchen, vom Himmel fallen!” makes the grade for relevance!
“shit-show because the situation was new and difficult (hence the cock-ups).”
Just a short reply because you have mentioned that you want to keep things on topic, I suggest you look up the work of Dr Dave martin who was a patent expert regarding the collusion with Governments, Think Tanks and Big Pharma.
>Dr Dave martin who was a patent expert
Being an expert on patents doesn’t make anyone an expert on Covid.
Science Feedback, a reputable fact-checking organisation, writes: “Financial analyst David Martin misrepresents studies and patent applications to promote the baseless claim that SARS-CoV-2 was developed as a bioweapon.”
Their substantial report on Dr Martin’s claims can be seen here:
https://science.feedback.org/review/financial-analyst-david-martin-misrepresents-studies-patent-applications-promote-baseless-claim-sars-cov-2-developed-bioweapon/
If you check it out, you will see that SF does not deny (and neither would I) that Covid could have originated in a lab leak. But there is just not enough reliable information to be sure.
For the credibility of SF itself, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Feedback
Thanks for your suggestion, Pat, but that is as far as this discussion goes.
Ok I will have a look at that later.
MOD: I suggest you check, THEN reply if so inclined. Remainder deleted.
This article on the BMJ may interest you.
MOD: Link deleted. As it happens, Pat, I am aware that the authors of your linked article are extremely well qualified, highly respected figures whose work I have long been aware of. I actually agree with them on the point at issue and have long been sympathetic to their stance. However, that work, and those opinions, are off topic here. Incidentally, what they say in the linked article does nothing to either support your earlier claims or contradict the reliably fact-checked refutation of those claims made in the article I cited, which you say you have not so far read.
The Crime and Policing Bill has been published and will, when enacted, criminalize AI models designed to make AI PIM. That fact was talked about a lot in the media, but the new requirements for RSOs were not.
It remains to be seen how this will be applied once the bill inevitably passes.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0187/240187.pdf
“entering premises at which children are present” covers a lot of ground. Will RSOs be required to give notice every time they enter retail premises to buy their groceries, or visit their dentist’s surgery, or go to a football match, or theatre performance, just because children are probably going to be present, or could be?
The police couldn’t handle that, never mind the RSOs themselves. I haven’t checked the details yet (if they have been published somewhere in the Bill), but I guess any such order would need to be tailor-made (but not necessarily by a good tailor!) to fit each case and assessed risk profile.
>It remains to be seen how this will be applied once the bill inevitably passes
Brian, does this mean you have checked the whole Bill and any explanatory background papers and found nothing more specific? Anyway, thanks for the heads-up.
A quick glance through suggests there might be better news for those on the register indefinitely. Looks like there will be some provision for these orders to be rescinded in some circumstances.
I checked relevant parts of the bill in relation to my work with Mu, but I have not reviewed it in its entirety.
After seeing your reply, I’ve also looked at the explanatory notes, the fact sheet, and the portion of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 that the proposal amends.
The intended scope is still unclear. I did contact the Home Office yesterday to ask for clarification. Let’s see what they say.
Sending constant notifications, as some people here (and at Mu Forum) jest, may actually be a very clever response if this proposal is as bad as it potentially sounds.
>I did contact the Home Office yesterday to ask for clarification.
Well done! We need all the information we can get.
They haven’t replied yet. I doubt they will.
What are your thoughts on trying to organize, or threatening to organize, highly excessive notifications should this bill pass?
A campaign will not be necessary. If the requirements are wildly excessive (having to notify before shopping at your local supermarket, using your local library, etc.) the system will soon collapse of its own accord. I doubt it will even get that far because police, probation service, etc., will not want to be deluged with irrelevant information.
As for those on the register, the sensible course would be to comply with the letter of the law, whatever it is, so far as practically possible. If the new requirement includes filling out a signed form and handing it in personally to the local police station (as is required for annual notification) on a almost daily basis, the level of either unmanageable high compliance or excusable non-compliance would soon become obviously unsustainable.
For instance, there are places, such as where I live, with a police station about two miles from the town centre, not served by public transport. A disabled registrant could hardly be expected to take a taxi there on a daily basis, especially if (as would probably be the case) they were hard up.
The chances are that any tightening up in the requirements will be much more subtly oppressive and targeted quite tightly. In that case it will be harder to complain, and compliance in individual cases may need to be contested in the courts.
At this stage, the only even moderately practical action I can see would be lobbying at the parliamentary level, before details of the requirements proposed in the Bill are set in stone. This is best not done by registrants themselves (writing to one’s own constituency MP is likely to be a waste of time because there are no votes in being “soft on paedos”) but by getting someone (a registrant’s lawyer, perhaps, or an academic criminologist with an interest in this area) to feed sensible suggestions into whichever parliamentary home affairs committee, justice committee, select committee on the Bill, is working on the details.
Do you have to tell them when you in a car being driven by a 17 year old. man what these people smoking.
Imagine being a dad picking up your kid from school every day. Poor police officers if they’d have to review every single report! I’d spam their inbox so happily. Or, being a dad on SOR caring for your child is not allowed in the UK?
One would think these kind of populist policies are meant for media only, to get the attention, but they’d never made it to the law…
One sees a powerful surge of extreme reaction in many European and American countries: Trump, Putin, Milei, Orban, the German AFD, etc. It mixes a love for autocracy, an extreme masculinism and a hatred of migrants, of sexual and gender minorities, together with contempt for science and ecology. Facing them, the so-called “moderates” like Macron or the US Democrats have been presented as an alternative, or at least as a “lesser evil.” But it appears more and more that this “lesser evil” cannot prevent the rise of the “greater evil,” rather it paves the way for it.
It is thus time to reject together both extreme and moderate reactionaries, all their principles and dogmas that have been progressively imposed since fifty years. Everything about society and human relations that is commonly accepted in medias and in politics (right or left) will then be challenged. Orthodoxy can crumble and heretics can have a voice. The downtrodden will rise.
UNENFORCEABLE No AgeOfConsent to WANK over HOT Adult images, fantasies, or friends!!!
Cummin’ soon, new all-age family fun Brit flick from Hammer House of Humpers, “Carry On WANKING!”
Quote, 1990s AAM HOT Lolis, 9 & 10 to ‘Love Magnet’ Bold MAP, “We’re always thinking of you at night in bed!!” Plus, 1990s AAM HOT Loli, 11, to ‘Love Magnet’ Bold MAP, “My little sister likes you in a NAUGHTY way!” Bonus, 1990s ‘Love Magnet’ Bold MAP non-victim of grinning AAM HOT Loli, 6, grabbing his waistband front as he leaves after first fun-visit to HOT Mom, “I want to see your WILLY!”
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-legal-for-someone-under-18-to-masturbate
Related questions:
I’m a 12-year-old girl and although this is embarrassing, I want to learn how to masturbate. Can you tell me some methods (without vibratory and toys)?
I’m 13 and I masturbate. Whenever I do, I get to a point where it feels so good that I have to stop and I want to keep doing it but I can’t. What should I do?
How can a thirteen-year-old get sexual pleasure?
I’m a 13-year-old girl and I want to cum while masturbating. How can I?
How can I masturbate myself safely? I’m a 12-year-old male and I feel like I’m doing it wrong.
I’m 13 and I masturbate 6 times a day. Is this too much?
I’m a 13-year-old boy who is really horny and I want to masturbate with kids my age but can’t find any. What should I do?
Im a 13 year old girl and I frequently want and do touch myself (masturbate) but im afraid my parents will find out, what should I do?
How often should a 13-year-old teen masturbate?
As teens, were any of you allowed to masturbate wherever and whenever around the house? If so, why?
I’m a 12-year-old female and I masturbate and whenever I come to an orgasm point, it just gets so strong that I just go crazy and then end up stopping. Is that normal?
I’m 13 and I masturbate with friends. Is that weird?
How often should 12-year-old girls masturbate?
How can I masturbate with stuff in my house (I’m a girl and I’m 12)? Is it wrong?
I’m a 13 year old girl, does anyone have any masturbating tips?
Some really daft questions on Quora, like
Im 20 can i date a 17 year old
. Or even worseIm 44 can i date a 29 year old
the mind boggles…So, trauma-free furiously self-wanking to thoughts or images of HOT adults – millions of HOT Minors Worldwide are CSA/Children Sexually Amused
Until, repressed Anglo Victorian fake media falsely asserts that any adult present at the wankings, will magically turn Children Sexually aMused/CSA into CSA/Children Sexually aBused – WANKAS!!
Good find. It’s only a matter of time until shrieking feminists and grifting moralists demand with hysterical rage that Quora removes such questions to “protect the children” against learning about their own bodies and being naturally sexually inquisitive. Quora might even be required to ask for ID before a user can ask a question after such blasphemy against the age of consent hoax (by the very people the hoax was meant to “protect”). Must be the fault of hollywood’s sexualization again, yeah that’s it, not nature of course.
That’s just “democracy” and “free speech” in action I guess. Extreme sexual censorship should surely produce strong individuals capable of taking on the “Russian and Chinese Threat,” right conservatives?
Just think of it like baseball if you’re having a hard time accepting extreme sexual censorship, where people in the minors are not interested at all in the majors, obviously.
>It’s only a matter of time until shrieking feminists and grifting moralists demand with hysterical rage that Quora removes such questions to “protect the children” against learning about their own bodies and being naturally sexually inquisitive. Quora might even be required to ask for ID before a user can ask a question after such blasphemy against the age of consent hoax (by the very people the hoax was meant to “protect”). Must be the fault of hollywood’s sexualization again, yeah that’s it, not nature of course.
Sexual Exploitation and Abuse Children and Minors Sexually explicit or suggestive content (written or visual) involving children and minors. If child sexual abuse material is identified to us, we will remove it, report it to relevant authorities, and your account will be permanently banned.
Examples include:
Sexually explicit or suggestive content involving children and minors (this can include content involving minors who are fully clothed and not engaged in overtly sexual acts)Descriptions, whether real or fantasy, of engaging in sexual interactions with children and minorsSoliciting or exchanging sexually explicit or suggestive images involving children and minors, or Spaces dedicated to such behaviorSending or requesting sexually explicit media to or from a child or minorContent describing different ways to coerce children and minors into sexual interactionsAdvocating for or glorifying minor – non-minor relationsSharing of external links to content that would violate this policySharing sexually explicit content in Spaces that are directed towards minors (ages 13-17)Grooming behavior, such as an adult attempting to engage in sexually explicit conversations with a minor on or off the platform
Advocacy against illegal or harmful activity involving children or minors is not a violation of this policy provided there is no sharing of, or linking to any material featuring child sexual exploitation.
https://help.quora.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043961972-Spaces-Policies
“Welcome to the new age of robber barons, the new Gilded Age!”
I suppose you didn’t notice the Robber Barons during the Covid PsyOp, largest transfer of wealth from poor and middle class to the top 1%. And when Charles proclaims at the WEF that society needs radical change and a “narrow window of opportunity” opportunity for whom? I suppose it’s ok when the Left do it?
>I suppose you didn’t notice the Robber Barons during the Covid PsyOp
Yes, I did, but the political decisions over that were not simple, unlike often simple-minded, dogmatic, fact-light conspiracy narratives, especially as spread by know-nothings on social media. I felt (and said) at the time that the Swedish policy (with minimum restrictions on personal freedom and economic activity) might work out well in the long-run. See here: https://heretictoc.com/2020/04/28/salus-populi-suprema-lex-esto/
Earlier, at the start of the epidemic, when less was known of its nature, a more cautiously restrictive approach was warranted, I felt, as I wrote here: https://heretictoc.com/2020/03/28/now-we-are-truly-all-in-it-together/
As for the efficacy of the vaccine, I don’t think I have written about that separately. From a personal POV, though, I can report that I have now been jabbed multiple times. At my age the disease is often very serious, or fatal. Eventually, I caught it. In my case it was fairly mild. It seems reasonable to believe the vaccine helped. I am quite sceptical as to the quite large number of top-up jabs we are recommended to take. It has of course crossed my mind that Big Pharma has done very well out of all this. OTOH, would you rather all we had in the medical defence armoury was to hope and pray?
As indicated before, I am not going to allow this forum to become just another place for general conspiracy theories. Any further discussion of this topic needs to be directly child/MAP relevant.
Let me just remind you Tom that the AFD was the only party against the Lockdown and Jab fascism that you seem to think was a conspiracy theory. Why is it that in East Germany the AFD is the largest party, they see history repeating maybe? Vance had a point, Russia is not the real threat unless WW3 starts, the Liberal elites who have a distain for free speech and mass importation of immigrants is the real threat. I wouldn’t go to war for the UK now, WW2 there was something to defend. As for Tommy, he is in a bad way in Jail, where are the Human Rights Lawyers now, taking a holiday just like during the fake pandemic. (the WHO changed the definition of a pandemic shortly before). Look what they did to Julian Assange, possibly Russell Brand too.
“ Axel Rudakubana, was actually a home-grown madman from Cardiff, with Christian parents originally from Rwanda.”
And the MSM used an old photo of when he was a school boy, and you wonder why people get pissed. As for DOGE there were many left wing organisations funded through USAID including the “charity” BBC MEDIA ACTION that has been active in Ukraine. BTW when negotiating peace in a conflict, you have to engage both sides, something Starmer failed. or didn’t want to do. Boris put a stop to a meeting to end the war in 2022, you could argue he has blood on his hands. As for the meeting with Trump where it all kicked off, Zelensky said, the US is across the pond but it will come and you will feel pain, with an angry response quite rightly from Trump who is a deal maker and in a deal you don’t slag off the other side.
Sofía Gala Castiglione Casanova (born 24 January 1987) is an Argentine actress.
Argentine philosopher Roxana Kreimer, used her example to argue that a relationship between a teenager and a legal adult isn’t an abuse. She wrote (translated):
The MU Forum post I’m drawing this from adds some Spanish/Argentine context, adapted here:
Typical evidence that in Spain, the Netherlands and other countries the age of consent was raised under pressure from globalist politicians who were scoring points by “protecting children”. All this is the result of omnipresent State intervention in the lives of citizens.
Argentina’s new libertarian president, Javier Milei, recently gave a speech at the CPAC forum in which he spoke about the excessive control of the State. He even used the term Iatrogenesis, explaining that the State itself creates many problems and then tries to come up with solutions to them, making the problem worse.
If you want to listen to this speech, please try to ignore his flattery towards Trump and Musk, because if you listen to what he says about the omnipresent State, it applies mainly to the US and the UK, which, in my opinion, creates the preconditions for a future conflict with them.
libertarian president who is against abortion and euthanasia.. i know spain raised the AOC, (very disapointed with Spain i used to support them in the football) but netherlands as well? it appears estonia also has from 14 to 16. i can almost guarantee most people int he UK want it raising… well they can pay for the new prisons.
Bit of confusion sorry i was thinking of Argentinan president Javier Milei…..
The “debate” to raise the age of consent in Spain began when the WHO recommended that countries raise the age of consent to 15 years. The first party to speak out on the issue was the PNV (right-wing Basque nationalists), which proposed raising the age of consent to 15. The PSOE (Spanish Socialist Workers Party) proposed raising it to 14. And finally, the PP (Partido Popular, conservatives), which was the party in power at the time, raised the age of consent to 16.
Javier Urra is not a politician, but a Spanish psychologist, obsessed for decades with paedophiles and what he believes to be child protection. It is true that in the 1990s he lobbied for raising the age of consent from 12 to 13 in 1995. In 2014, Javier Urra made a statement suggesting suicide as an “ethical way out” for paedophiles.
https://www.abc.es/espana/20140818/abci-urra-pederastas-suicidio-201408181638.html
In 2015, Mariano Rajoy’s conservative government raised the age of consent from 13 to 16. Since then, the consent of anyone under 16 is not considered legally valid and their adult partners are imprisoned even if the minors declare that they had relations of their own free will. Years later, the “progressive” and feminist government of PSOE and Podemos transformed the crime of “sexual abuse” into “sexual aggression” or “rape”, so that any sexual contact with minors under 16 is now considered “sexual aggression” or “rape”. Consensual relations between young people over the age of 13 and adults were fully legal until 2015, and this was not a problem for minors, although there was a strong social taboo. Such relationships occurred legally and demonstrated, for anyone who wanted to see it, that minors can desire, seek, enjoy, consent and initiate relationships with adults, of their own free will and without any harm to themselves. In 2015, with the elevation of consent, such relationships automatically became “sexual abuse”, and soon after, with the reforms of “progressives” and feminists, they became “rape”. Today, in Spain, a 24-year-old boy or girl with a 15-year-old boyfriend or girlfriend can spend many years in jail, accused of rape, if he or she dares to have the slightest sexual contact with his or her partner. It is now common to see arrests
> Wow. What a charming man. I’m sure he’s fun to be around at parties… :/
Thanks for this context and info. I was copying almost verbatim from someone else, and don’t know much about Spain, Argentina, etc., except for Che Guevara having been born in the latter, and Milei being the current president.
Hope you’ll comment more, Captain! :p
No matter how principled people are on other subjects, Paedophilia seems to be the ultimate litmus test.
I follow the comment that was cut off in the previous message:
It is now common to see arrests of adults who have had relations, actually consensual, with minors under 16, or who have arranged a date with them, or who have simply had sexual conversations with them. These types of relationships, which until 2015 would have had no legal consequences, are now being prosecuted as rape or attempted rape. It is ridiculous to hear judges and jurists say that “the consent of the minor is irrelevant”. What IN REALITY are consensual relationships, in the hallucinations of politicians and jurists are rapes even if they are not, simply because they have decided so. Hallucinations made law. For the law, reality is not what it is, but what the law says it is, even if it is a lie.
During the government of Mariano Rajoy, the laws against child pornography were also toughened, raising the penalties, and in the Penal Code a section was introduced that considers realistic images (drawings) of minors as child pornography, anticipating the AI.
Thanks for these informative posts, Captain!
Also Tom I heard in the News this morning that Huw Edwards is in a bad state, where are his so called ‘victims’. BTW I’m no great fan of his on other matters!
Fernando Sánchez-Dragó also said, at the end of the 1990s and in the literary programme he presented at the time for TVE, “Negro sobre blanco”, that “paedophilia is society’s unfinished business”. He illustrated his statement by explaining that, when he was 12 years old, he was in love with an older woman who, if she had acceded to his desires, would have committed a crime. Despite his clearly pro-intergenerational views, Sánchez-Dragó supported the far-right Vox party in his later years.
Today it seems incredible that Sánchez-Dragó could have made such a statement on his state television programme in the late 1990s. Just as it seems incredible that for twenty years relationships with people over 13 years of age were legally permitted. But let no one think that there was a climate of tolerance. Most people did not even know what the age of consent was, including many paedophiles, and relations with minors were generally frowned upon and condemned by many. Still, looking at how things have evolved, we could say that back then “we were free and didn’t know it”.
Raising the age of consent to 16 was abhorrent and catastrophic for millions of people, adults as well as minors, who now see their sexual freedom curtailed and face unwanted legal proceedings. There was no real debate, but a farcical debate to justify the legislative change. And no one raised their voices against it, neither from the right nor from the left. The minors who were going to be harmed by the new age of consent did not raise their voices either. And pedophiles, of course, neither.
> And no one raised their voices against it
Maybe not in Spain, but in the neighboring country Portugal there are those who dare to protest actively. Even “victims”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0L17QGCw2k
The author of the video is in Brazil, not Portugal.
I was in doubt myself, but I believed that the madness of convicting people for non-rape had not yet reached South America. Apparently, I was wrong.
Interesting testimony. I didn’t know it, thank you. If minors or adults who had consensual relationships with adults when they were minors were allowed to speak freely, it would be clear what the reality of paedophilia is.
This testimony also appeared recently in the Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14343587/Laura-Caron-teacher-New-Jersey-pregnant-victim.html
The first gay wedding to be publicly celebrated in Barcelona City Hall, in 2002, was between two men who met in a park when one was 33 years old and the other 15 years old. What was then a completely legal relationship would today be considered “rape”.
The story of these two men is told in the book “Mi primera vez” (Ediciones La Tempestad, 2003). In it, 100 homosexuals tell in first person and in detail their first sexual experiences. In many cases, the age of initiation was very early, when they were children (sometimes very young children) or very young adolescents, and with adults, sometimes even with their own father. Because of its subject matter and its normalising approach to intergenerational relationships, “My First Time” is a rare, very rare book. In its day it went unnoticed, but surely today it would not pass the censorship. Highly recommended for those who can read in Spanish.
If I check over this and summarize the info based on what you’ve written, I think it’d make for a good Newgon page. So, thank you again!
There’s not a lot on Spain, Latin America, and non-English speaking countries, even though there’s a whole wider history and movement in many countries and eras where English wasn’t the dominant language.
Do you have a copy of “My First Time”? Could you quote some cases / testimonies for us, translated to English? We can archive them and get them on Newgon…
Despite the old age of consent at 13, the anti-paedophile hysteria in Spain was much the same as it is today. Consensual relationships between adolescents and adults occurred quite frequently but were usually carried out in secret (although there were exceptions) and in fear. Many paedophiles did not even know they were legal, because there was no information.
The Netherlands was then a kind of myth, or even a kind of urban legend for some, because we believed that there was more freedom there and that relations with minors were legal and socially tolerated. We didn’t really know anything about the Netherlands.
I don’t have any copies of “Mi primera vez”. Maybe you can find one in an old bookshop. I read the book at the time and liked it very much. There is also a version about the first time of lesbians, published by the same publisher.
Another book about relationships between teenagers and adults, “El amor imberbe”, was published in Mexico. I have not read it.
Reading that you reminded me of a link Tom shared years ago in an argument with someone……It was called Dancing to the Bin Man in my underwear as a kid around five. I tried to search for it lately but couldn’t find it. About a young homosexual who fancied a bin man but it was not reciprocal. Would be great to see the article if you still have it Tom.
>Dancing to the Bin Man
“Bin Man” and variants not coming up on searches, alas.
I remember something along those lines too. Either IPCE or Consenting Juvelines will likely have it.
Who is steven collins and what did he do? (im too scared to read the article )
The Secret Scandal of J-Pop (Johnny Kitagawa Documentary) – Watch on Freespeechtube
Originally broadcast on BBC Two, March 7th, 2023, the documentary is centred on the intergenerational sexual activities involving Japanese record producer Johnny Kitagawa, the founder of the talent company Johnny & Associates, and an influential figure in the Japanese entertainment industry. It shows men looking back who say they “love” him or see him as “family,” versus people who see their past sexual contact as negative and harmful…
Fragment, the uploader, wrote:
Especially for those with video editing skills, I strongly recommend saving a copy and cutting out the positive experience testimony. You can use these and many others to make your own documentaries.
also add a fragment from podcast where George Takei (Star Trek) recalls his positive experience at 13 with an older man and does not consider it abuse/rape.
Wow and he lives in one of the worst places in the world for relations with young people…. or opinions even…
The Democrats Are Now The Moral Majority – in the worst possible way
WildHeather, known for defending teen-love, posted a great piece about the U.S. election, the unpopularity of Democrats to young men in particular, and the rise of online harem / pimp figures like Andrew Tate. Thoughtful and worth a read, I think Heather’s on to something…
See their latest post and give them a follow on YouTube: https://m.youtube.com/@wild_heather_860/community
wildheather is definitely doing a lot for the cause but he (probably) tells me off for calling myself an ephebophile . (with hebephilic tendencies). he says it doesnt exist.. im not going to identify as map or hebe or pedo. ephebo is less troublesome. but still i get called names…
I assume Heather thinks that “ephebo” is a nonsense term placeholder for “normal,” as most heretosexual men will admit some level of attraction to post-pubescent females who are developmentally sexually mature (I.e. have developed breasts, waist-to-hip ratio etc.) if they feel safe to.
I’ve seen some women who’ll imply that men always want “younger and younger and younger,” as if they’d go any lower than the teens, but for most I don’t believe this is true. Men are looking for visible cues of sexual maturity, as well as willingness, experimental or eagerness, etc. When they cannot know someone’s precise age, you’ll often see men slip up and inadvertently admit they find a 16 or 17-year-old sexually attractive / desirable. They usually have all the features you’d look for in someone over the bright line of 18 (and may even be lawful to have sex with at 16/17 anyways), so there’s often no discernable difference until the technical question of age and thus social stigma enters the fray.
Heather probably, and I think quite reasonably, sees “ephebophilia” as an attempt to otherize, pathologize, and de-normalize attraction to teenagers. Marking such people out as a distinct category of person, who can then be disavowed, shunned, and ostracized. “Eww, we’re not like those people!”
What might set you apart to most men, is if you are fixated on teenagers, in which case “epheb” is probably the most accurate label for such a person. The term emerged from ancient Greece, where pederasty was commonplace and a high ideal. Even today, I’m well aware that youth is highly sought after in the gay world. It seems that no matter how many angry tweet threads, sensational news reports or drama videos are made, begging the jealous, prudish, unthinking moralists for subscribers and likes, the desire for healthy, fertile, neotenous men and women isn’t going anywhere anytime soon…
I mean, have you seen OnlyFans star Sophie Rain!? She is as neotenous as they come, and stacked! 😮 Ain’t no one gonna tell me that fancying her is abnormal! :p
“” as most heretosexual men will admit some level of attraction to post-pubescent females who are developmentally sexually mature (I.e. have developed breasts, waist-to-hip ratio etc.) if they feel”
Yup evolutionary imperative.
“s. Marking such people out as a distinct category of person, who can then be disavowed, shunned, and ostracized. “Eww, we’re not like those people!”
Like they tried to do with Hebeophilia in the DSM.
Created a page quickly listing your publications, Tom, since the absence of some key recent ones from BoyWiki’s page, and lack of any such list on Newgon, had been annoying me for a while.
https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/Tom_O%27Carroll%27s_Publications
Added a little bit more info to the page for your book https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/Paedophilia:_The_Radical_Case , including citing an earlier 1999 article by Igor Primoratz titled ‘Pedophilia’, for the philosophy journal Public Affairs Quarterly. <http://www.jstor.com/stable/40441217>
>Created a page quickly listing your publications, Tom
Wow! Did I write all that stuff? Amazing, I had no idea! 🙂 Seriously, I have never seen it put together like that, so it is a bit stunning. Thanks, Prue, for what must have been quite a task!
Just a couple of points:
Rad Case page: “He draws on a wide arrays of academic sources” – array not arrays.
Publications page:
“it has stood the test of time with over 90 Google Scholar citations by 2012.
Now: “over 190 Google Scholar citations by 2025”. Yes, Google has found an extra 100 since 2012!
Finally, the link for the Primoratz article appears to have an extraneous bit on the end, giving a 404 error. This is the stable URL: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40441217
Any 14-year-old would rule the country better than him.
As always, thanks for your insightful posts, Tom.
I am even more concerned about the irrationality, poor language use, and over-the-top discourse simplicity of Trump, than his right wing policies on immigration and sustainability. In other words, as a gay person, I prefer a million times to speak to a rational homophobe than a silly gay-friendly guy. If you are right, you will eventually be able to convince the former. The latter will just switch opinions constantly, like one changes the T-shirt.
Accuser drops rape lawsuit against Jay-Z and Sean Combs
(Some good news!!!)
Jay-Z appears to be home free and has fared mercifully well in the court of public opinion, whereas Sean “Diddy” Combs is facing over 30 lawsuits and has been denied bail 3 times. So many sensational, dramatic videos have been made about him, poisoning the well immensely.
This case may have been withdrawn, but Diddy still faces many court battles. If a prison sentence is given for even one, he may end up with a death sentence in all but name. Since the new age “sex trafficking” (crossing borders with sexual intent) is involved, he could be screwed. Pray he doesn’t buried under mandatory minimums and has stayed out of Florida…
Talk about getting the shaft, facing a life sentence for consensual actions.
Are the sex acts Diddy’s accused of “consensual”? I haven’t seen much detail either way: mostly vague platitudes using tropes about “victims” and “trauma,” combined with spooky music and narratives about the “darker side lurking beneath”…
I’d be surprised if Diddy hasn’t made some very unwise decisions in life. Been pushy at some point in his life, given the huge number of peoples he’s likely had sex with… Drunk / high and shagging women who are also so out-of-it they can barely mouth words… In short, done a lot of things that could now, in the 2020s’ heightened state of sexual sensitivity, be construed as criminal…
“Sex trafficking” alone is one of easiest charges to be brought up on, since at its base it just means someone moving across state / national border lines for sexual purposes… It’s often seen as SWERF-ism through the backdoor; the newest incarnation of failed anti-porn activists war on “free love”…
I get nervous about these big cases, bc they often address “bad sex,” women’s regret or retrospectively silly decisions, as opposed to rape / non-consensual sex where someone was meaningfully forced to have sex that they manifestly didn’t want at the time…
The level of exposure these cases get really poisons the well of positive, relaxed, open-minded and fun sexual culture that I’d like to see. So, I’m very suspicious with the huge focus on negatives, given that interpersonal sexual contact is one of the most positive, fun, and life affirming things available to the human experience.
The media now targets “bad sex” – sex deemed problematic bc it involves alcohol, power differences, etc. – because of the simple fact that most people are not rapists…
You could be talking about Russell Brand there!
>Absolutely!
Although I’m not keen on Russell’s turn towards spiritualism, and much preferred “the Trews” to what he puts out now, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to see the MSM’s recent attacks on Russell as bogus drama meant to rubbish a man who’s publicly known for having too much easy sex with cisgender women: the worst thing a rich and “powerful” man can do in the 2020s…
Our current era seems to represent an inversion: “rich and powerful” men should only sleep with other rich and powerful women, despite being the most desirable to many not-rich women who are seeking economic security. Everyone should “stay in their lane” and only date people similar to them, in terms of age, looks, social / financial status, etc. – that seems to be the underlying message.
It’s really strange to me…
From what I recall, the attacks on Russell’s sex life in particular, were such a nothingberger. With the exception of the 16YO student who he was allegedly too pushy / forceful with, something he allegedly apologized for over text after she had left his place in an upset / emotional state, all his relations seemed above board.
It’s the problem of success and casual sex, or the problem of feeling used / hard done by. This applies more to women that men, since cis men tend to see any sexual experience with cis women as an achievement, or at least a learning experience if it doesn’t go well…
For women who have sex with a celebrity like Russell Brand, this could’ve been one of the most significant things to have ever happened to them. It’d be extremely upsetting to then get older and realize you’d let this rich man slip through your hands: i.e. you come to feel used.
At the time you may have wanted sex, to feel desired by someone so well-known and well-liked, but the experience becomes hollow as the years go by. You didn’t “get” as much as you could’ve, you feel cheated, wronged. Some other woman’s getting the best of him, his body and his money, whilst you’ve got neither. Only memories that become more bitter and warped with each passing day, each passing comment about “power differences,” “problematic age gaps,” “pedophilia,” and “predators” causing you to question your initial self-perception…
The dam usually breaks once one woman goes to the media and it becomes big news. Then other women, emboldened by the weight of other women’s approval, a social consensus you can get in on, will tell similar stories which fit with dominant ideas of “victims,” “power” and “perpetrators.”
It’s a very weird world…
Arrests over AI-generated child abuse material | BBC News (Feb 28, 2025)
We live in clownworld. It’s so insane that even the normies in the comments are against it. “Pray for the AI victims”…
They’re coming for your drawings, your artwork, your very thoughts if they could. Anime’ll be next. These people are dangerous lunatics and we desperately need people strong enough to push back and deflate this discourse. “AI Victims,” “self generated abuse material,” the memes are becoming reality!!!
It is totally wild…
It just shows they are not after child protection, they just want to hunt pedos. Recently I discussed the new UK AI laws with a normie colleague. He was confused and asked “Shouldn’t we welcome that perverts are able to generate porn using AI instead of by hurting real kids?” Yeah, he’d be right, but the goal is obviously not to protect children, is it?
And now you see it – all this age-related pedohysteria is the result of womanly hatred of men and the feminists who implement the cultural change through censorship and brutal legal persecution. The state is only too happy to oblige since the state gets power and money from the hysteria. The senseless persecution of fake AI generated images and with no hesitation to call it CSAM shows the very label of CSAM is a meaningless acronym that feminists use to attack anything that benefits male sexuality, aka sex with young girls.
While it is true there are one or two feminists who are neutral at best towards men’s love of youth and beauty, 99.9% are against it. Feminists are the enemy, until proven otherwise (whether they are right wing, like Nancy Mace or Ron DeSantis, or left wing, like Julie Bindel or AOC).
As Steve Moxon would say on Sp!ked if I recall, in evolutionary terms, they want to eliminate the competition.
> And more insidious, indoctrinate and socially shame the competition – young women – into seeing men they actually fancy as off-limits. “Noncey,” “problematic,” “weird,” rather than “normal,” what has been the norm throughout all human history until very recently…
Of course, it still is the norm – most women tend to date men at least a bit older than them – unless you’re a cougar deliberately seeking a toyboy. :p But damn, lots of talking heads eager for clicks and comments on their content, are inadvertently making the dating scene much harder for singles to navigate…
They need to prove harm with the live ones first, even if you do we have the voodoo logic of someone being raped every time their image is seen.
I identify as a computer pixel, therefore I’m a victim!
Protect our innocent pixels!!!
Pornography review calls for ban on depictions of choking (The Guardian, UK)
The UK is so cooked. Escape to a real country whilst you still can…
Ban violent pornography showing strangulation, ministers urged (The Independent)
the uk was cooked when they stopped 17 yr olds having aphoto of their own body
The Off-Communists I call them.
Women EXPOSED Trying to Meet with 93 Year Old Man – Feb 27, 2025 (YouTube Comedy Skit).
I disagree. No one tried to overthrow democracy, and there is no basis for saying that the claims of a stolen election were false. Neither the media nor Wikipedia can know for sure that these claims are false, but that doesn’t stop them from collectively promoting this idea as absolute fact. In exactly the same way, they are trying to convince us that any claims about the artificial origin of the virus are false and conspiracy theories (although there is no conspiracy in the accidental leak)In the same way, they try to convince everyone of the myths of the CSA and its harm, calling any arguments false.
Those of us who care about these issues a lot, which I am sure includes you as well as me, Harlan, have had plenty of opportunity to get to grips with information from many sources about them over several years.
Much of the information is factually undisputed, leaving debate to focus on partisan interpretation and speculation, crystalising into alternative narratives from which we pick a side according to what we personally feel (based on life experiences that are very different for some people than for others) is likely to be the truth – or which we just want to be the truth.
Based on my knowledge, experience, and, yes, my preferred truth – I’d be delighted to see Trump in jail – I am sure Trump tried to subvert the Georgia vote by bullying others into “finding” him extra votes, and I am sure he deliberately exerted improper pressure to have the national election results overturned on 6 January.
But the details elude me as I write. Things become foggy once one has moved on. There are always so many new things to debate and dispute. And now that the verdict of popular opinion has been delivered through Trump’s recent election victory, there will be no opportunity for a jury to weigh the evidence in a proper trial. That is regrettable, in my view, but a disputed trial verdict might have been even worse for America.
Does that mean we should all now take the stance “innocent until proven guilty”? That high standard is necessary for the avoidance of lynch law. No one should be punished in the absence of proof beyond reasonable doubt.
However, when we are choosing people for high office it is reasonable to take a much higher standard. We should ask whether their integrity is beyond doubt, not their guilt. Congressional questioning of nominees for office, in confirmation hearings, offers an opportunity to test their probity. It would be silly to expect saints, but stupid to accept those with dubious track records, even if criminality is not proven – although in Trump’s case it actually has been!
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, Tom. It is very pleasant that in this community there is an opportunity to communicate calmly, despite some differences in views.
Glad it’s working for you, Harlan. Your comment is much appreciated! 🙂
>Trump, of course, since his return to office as US president on January 20, has been in the driving seat of this helter-skelter revolution, kicking ass everywhere from Greenland to Gaza while bizarrely licking one ass that truly needs a good kicking: Putin’s.
Even veteran sceptic Tom bought the decades ongoing Anglo Fascist imperial US/UK Dominant Narrative Power Of Fake Propaganda – producing Putin phobia. Not yet as virulent as the decades ongoing Anglo fake Pedophobia..
Now muted sources like ex-Guardian good-guy Seamus Milne (son of Thatcher-trashed Beeb D.G. Alasdair Milne) and U.S. The Hill, show that in February 2014, Obama-Biden & Co actively sided with Ukraine’s neo-Nazis who stormed government buildings on February 21 and overthrew President Yanukovych, soon falsely cloaked as a “Revolution of Dignity”. The U.S. immediately recognized the new illegal government, witnessed in the intercepted call between U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, quote, “Fuck the EU” and U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt, where they talk about who should be in the new Ukrainian government several weeks before the rebellion; demonstrating the level of U.S. corrupt involvement. And a decade earlier in 2003 U.S. NATO Chief (UK Labour) George Robertson was snubbed by Anglo Fascists Bush & Co falsely dismissing peaceful Putin’s many polite requests to join NATO & the EU as ‘a threat’ while Bush & Co were threatening World peace by illegally invading and committing War Crimes on millions of innocents in Afghanistan and Iraq.
As ever, you couldn’t make it up, but they do everyday in all the usual US/UK Anglo fake media unsound sources needing their asses kicked 24/7.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4741597-save-ukraine-from-american-meddling/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict
There was a time, many years ago, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, that Russia was treated abominably by the West (including the eastward expansion of NATO operations), missing a huge opportunity to build a positive relationship with that country, leading to mutual benefit. Had that happened, I doubt Putin would have developed his obsession with Ukraine or considered invasion.
And, yes, Ukraine does have a history that includes the far-right Azov brigades and other democratic shortcomings. But there was never any evidence that separatism, or a wish to come under Russian rule, were ever supported by anything like a majority in any part of the country, including the Russian speaking east.
Putin went much too far and does indeed deserve a kicking, although that would not be the wisest course of action if a route to a secure peace can be found without it.
Still missing the pre and post-WW2 ongoing chief culprit in plain sight
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What does “TLDR” stand for?
It’s a standard abbreviation these days: too long, didn’t read. Pup would have known what I meant. He can read, but unfortunately, he can’t (or won’t) write, or not very coherently.
Born to an ethnic Russian Ukrainian Jewish family speaking only Russian, Vladimir (later Volodomyr) Zelenskyy grew up a Russian speaker in Kryvyi Rih, a major city of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast adjacent to the Donbas. Until 2017 Jewish U.$. Gov Puppet Zelenskyy could speak only Russian, while for years his own Azov Nazis (backed by U.S. Fascists) were killing ethnic Russians including many Jews in Ukraine’s Donbas. Until 2022 when kick-ass liberator Vladimir Putin rightly said, “De-Nazify Ukraine!”
And, in Y2K U.S. True Jew Prof Norm Finkelstein bravely exposed the decades ongoing U.S. backed Zionists’ scam in “The Holocaust Industry”. Another mainstream muted U.S. True Jew ex-CIA William Blum published many exposes of post-WW2 U.S. Fascism. Then, in a mass protest outside the White House, post-illegal U.S. invasions and mass War Crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq; Blum BLASTED on Bullhorn, “Come out with your hands up!!”
TMMFF/Too Many More Fine Facts from true scholars exposing U.S. Fascists needing a good-kicking in plain sight. Somehow all unseen by Anglo fake media mainstream puppets..
>Jewish U.$. Gov Puppet Zelenskyy
After today’s press conference in Washington, I’d be surprised if many people think Zelensky is a puppet of the American government!
But enough of this, Pup. Time to get back on topic. I had to make my blog range a long way, but it was always with an eye to MAP/youth relevance. Please bear this in mind.
Born to an ethnic Russian Ukrainian Jewish family speaking only Russian, Vladimir (later Volodomyr) Zelenskyy grew up a Russian speaker in Kryvyi Rih, a major city of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast adjacent to the Donbas. Until 2017 Jewish U.$. Gov Puppet Zelenskyy could speak only Russian, while for years his own Azov Nazis (backed by U.S. Fascists) were killing ethnic Russians including many Jews in Ukraine’s Donbas. Until 2022 when kick-ass liberator Vladimir Putin rightly said, “De-Nazify Ukraine!”
And, in Y2K U.S. True Jew Prof Norm Finkelstein bravely exposed the decades ongoing U.S. backed Zionists’ scam in “The Holocaust Industry”. Another mainstream muted U.S. True Jew ex-CIA William Blum published many exposes of post-WW2 U.S. Fascism. Then, in a mass protest outside the White House, post-illegal U.S. invasions and mass War Crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq; Blum BLASTED on Bullhorn, “Come out with your hands up!!”
TMMFF/Too Many More Fine Facts from true scholars exposing U.S. Fascists needing a good-kicking in plain sight. Somehow all unseen by Anglo fake media mainstream puppets..
>Putin went much too far and does indeed deserve a kicking, although that would not be the wisest course of action if a route to a secure peace can be found without it.
Well said.
HHP, I am with you on all the “Anglo Fascist imperial US/UK Dominant Narrative Power Of Fake Propaganda” and stuff, but trust me, you would not change that for living under CCCP/Russia/Putin. I had the “opportunity” to try both, and hope to never experience that again.
Not to regurgitate my recent reply to Tom. But unlike totalitarian tabloid snake-oil liars Anglos
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Unlike totalitarian tabloid snake-oil liars Anglos free to be fooled by their post-Reformation (of convenience not conviction) KJB/King James Bible. KGB Commies don’t fake claim to be ‘Free Democracies’.
It’s a fact, not an analysis, not even an opinion – the ‘free and open international order’ promoted since 1945 by the United States has cost the lives of 20 to 30 million people throughout the world. No President, has managed to slow the rhythm of this killing machine.
https://www.voltairenet.org/article204021.html
>trust me, you would not change that for living under CCCP/Russia/Putin. I had the “opportunity” to try both, and hope to never experience that again.
Quote balanced, unbiased Pup, “Anti-Fascist is not pro-Commie.”
So called ‘Free Democracies’ Anglo Fascists (not Commies) launched the TOTALITARIAN for-profit prison industrial complex and explosion of mass incarceration now more than any other prison populations on Earth. While prioritizing populist fake media MAP-persecution above all else.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=youtube+U.S.+20+years+for+child+rape
Do you live in the US/UK? Move out – there are still places on Earth, which are at least a bit more sensible – East Europe or SE Asia are great places to live… Given the recent development, I think it is safe to say that the US influence will likely not grow anytime soon. If I can recommend, move to a smaller island – people there cannot care less about politics :).
Unfortunately these Oligarchs that Tom gives a pass to (or maybe he’d of mentioned them before, now the Left is discovering them again. Maybe they’ll bring back Occupy Wall street when finished licking the ass of the Bankers) People at the WEF World Economic Forum like PM of Canada like the CCP and the social credit system that goes with it. Starmer also prefers Davos where you can “get things done”…!Parliament is too constrained”….Those pesky little people with their votes are a problem for Globalists like them.
>the new oligarchs, or plutocrats: Musk, Bezos, Zuckerman,
Surely Zuckerberg? Became the world’s youngest self-made billionaire in 2008, at age 23, and has consistently ranked among the world’s wealthiest individuals.
Oops! Well spotted, Pup. I just fixed it.
Ah Musk another hypocrite who bans people for saying minors are capable on twitter but supports russell brand who went with a schoolgirl in his 30s
Dancing to Trump’s tune: https://youtu.be/Qjs4TROAFJ0?feature=shared
[The Left needs to get mean, funny, and back to Class again, ASAP. And speak in much loftier terms. We desperately need channels like this; they’re incredible propaganda.]
Interesting that you discuss Helmut Kentler’s experiment in your IICSA submission, which presumably hadn’t become a massive international scandal by that point.
The AfD in Germany are terrifying; the only reason they don’t openly “Seig Heil!” and salute in public is because it’s illegal in Germany. But… give it time. Just like with Reform UK having occasional scandals where the mask slips and Farage goes into damage control mode, they’ll have their own scandals.
Anyone remember the “Golden Dawn” in Greece? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)
I remember seeing reports of them carrying flaming torches in the streets, a foreshadowing of what we’d later see at Charlottesville with chants of “Jews will not replace us!”
Like Reform, Trump, Le Pen, the AfD and so on, these groups rise to popularity during economic crisis, because they are seen as offering an alternative to the status quo. The UK has recently voted for a change, but it’s too many years too late; they won’t bring public services into public ownership or significantly challenge wealth inequality…
As people’s economic insecurity worsens, they look for other solutions, and get sold on the idea that if “the Left” (the fake, pussy, neoliberal “Left” of Kier Starmer or Biden’s gov) didn’t work, then maybe this other party banging on about “illegal immigrants” will work. To get enough people on board, however, the Right has to sanitize it’s image (as Reform UK is doing), and/or weaponize media to attain power and oust their political opponents (as Trump’s cohort has been doing).
It took time, but right-wing organizers have learned that you need to move with the times and focus on popular targets. Being openly anti-semitic after the holocaust was beyond the pale, it’s all about “foreigners” nowadays. To get a hearing in mass media, you had to find a new group to stereotype and demonize. With 9/11 being a strong cultural memory, it became common to stereotype Muslims, especially Muslim men, as terrorists.
Now, after the West bombed Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries to bits, all based on lies of non-existent “weapons of mass destruction” and barely existent terrorist groups, it became clear that the threat the West posed was far greater than any tiny minority of terrorists. They were no longer the silver bullet to normalize and legitimize race discrimination; it’s time to look elsewhere…
The next big discourse was provided by the Rotheram scandal, emneshed in a growing victim, therapy, trauma, “abuse” and “grooming” culture. Like terrorism after 9/11, this also piggbacked off a popular discourse, as “child abuse” had become a focus of media during the 1980s. We’ve all heard of the McMartin Preschool Trials, Satanic Ritual Abuse scandals, and debates around recovered memory.
By the 2010s, the enormous turn to social media as a means of income, celebrity and networking, bolstered by Covid as everyone turned increasingly inwards and online, has allowed for alternative discourses to explode unchecked.
Unlike mainstream media – which certainly has its issues and biases with narrative and spin – but at least can be held to regulatory standards: social media has no such checks and balances. Twitter and Facebook used to have “fact checkers,” but pesky “facts” got in the way of the Right’s deluded narratives about “pedophiles” around every corner, feasting on the adrenochrome of harvested children…
Of course, there are “groomers” in a strict definitional sense, but the real numbers are far less that the intensity of social media and tabloid press sensation would suggest. Very rarely are facts and figures brought up in popular social media discourse, especially if they come from reputable scholarls who have access to official data. Unless prevelance is inflated by loosening definitions on what counts as “abuse,” scholarly sources tend to show that the “problem” is smaller than the public has been led to believe.
As always, these discourses exploit disapproval and disgust around non-normative beliefs, sexualities, and gender presentations, to distract people’s attention from growing wealth inequality. The greatest threat to you, your family and friends, is poverty and wage slavery.
[I have no idea why I ended up writing this, but it is “that damn phone!” as the meme goes. Hope someone enjoys it! Watch more Gary Stevenson, and have as much fun as you can before you die That’s my message!]
>Very rarely are facts and figures brought up in popular social media discourse, especially if they come from reputable scholars
Such an important point! It takes time and effort to distinguish facts based on reliable sources from bullshit claims. As for figures, they are vital for an understanding of how significant or otherwise any particular fact is. They give us the perspective you rightly say we need, Prue.
The essence of populism is to push emotional buttons rather than bother people’s heads with complicated, hard-to-grasp reality, and reasoning based on it. Their rhetoric is all pathos, and no logos or ethos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modes_of_persuasion
“Many of the rest had contributed solidly to society, with over 30 teachers, plus social workers, youth workers, military officers, psychologists and doctors – all of whom Renton had given himself the difficult task of presenting as evil, disgusting, horrible people!”
Very good, this.
Sex Offender Pussy-Grabber Mein Trumpf current President of the retard Anglo Fascist Fake Puritan Victorian U.S. ‘Agency for Global Media’, part of the U.S. BIG Watchdog/Bitch ‘Parents Television and Media Council’ since 1994.
30 years post-Anglo Victorian UK watch-bitch Mary Whitehouse. Then and now all mocked by all-age modern millions of seXually aMused kids Worldwide, including AAMs now unstoppably selfie-sexting from age FOUR.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/10/trump-trial-verdict-white-house-2024-run
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Agency_for_Global_Media
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Brent_Bozell_III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents_Television_and_Media_Council
Republicans would happily jail 4 year olds for sexting.
It feels absurd to even have to say Republicans are significantly worse for MAPs.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/desantis-expands-death-penalty-include-child-rape-setting-likely-court-rcna82413
Democrats are the lesser of two evils, if only because they aren’t as “tough-on-crime” as republicans.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/full-list-of-158-democrats-who-voted-against-sex-crime-ban-on-immigrants/ar-AA1qQL7X
Both bad, but Republicans will be far worse.