Truth, reality and baby elephants

It’s slowly getting better now, I think, following the “distractions of a pressing nature” reported in the middle of the month. I was felled like a Christmas tree at the time, though, and for me the festive season, although joyous in its way, has also seen a great shedding of needles onto the carpet.
Needles of truth; shards of reality.
Loads of bollocks. What use has the carpet for truth and reality? Why would a Christmas tree make such an improbable gift?
What can I say? Not much, unfortunately, except that I fear for this blog’s mojo: will it be lost? And if lost, might it be found again? As you see, I am floundering in riddles. My life has been an open book and now it is closed. How can any mojo be retrieved from that? How can I share with you, with passion and vigour, all that needs to be said when there is literally that “whereof one cannot speak”?
Maybe we do not always need words. Their absence may lack the clarity we crave, yet still speak more eloquently than their presence.
Then is there anything of which I may speak? Let’s see. There is Christmas itself, of course, and New Year, with its resolutions, and all that. I could review the year past, or the year ahead. There’s a whole heap of stuff to talk about, as usual, no problem.
So let’s just pile in with something on the telly: Gogglesprogs. Did you see it? Marvellous! It can be seen for the next three weeks or so on Britain’s Channel 4 TV. If you can pick it up in your part of the world it’s an absolute must. Elizabeth Day, writing in The Observer, reckoned it was the best thing on TV over the festive break. I wouldn’t know because I didn’t see much telly, but I am happy to take her word for it.  The programme is apparently a spin-off from what she calls “the popular Gogglebox format”, as applied to kids in a number of households around the UK who were filmed while watching TV throughout the year. Day wrote:

“I know I’m being manipulated by an onslaught of cuteness. I know that kids say the funniest things. I know this isn’t revolutionary programme-making but, goodness, it was brilliant. I laughed, I cried and I marvelled at the ability of small girls to get supremely excited by Frozen while all the boys rolled their eyes and hated every single chord of Let It Go.”

As for what I liked, I’ll come to that in a minute. Like Day, though, I definitely feel under some compulsion to start by offloading a somewhat cynical response. She complains of “being manipulated by an onslaught of cuteness”. Her newspaper’s format, requiring her to review an entire week’s TV, left no space for developing this thought; but I do have that luxury, so here goes.
For starters, it is not the children who are doing the manipulating. They can’t help being cute and nor would we want them to. I don’t blame the programme makers for that either: they know what makes “good telly”, or chart-topping ratings at least. So I do not in the least mind them spending what must have been a good many hours in the editing suite, winnowing out chaff in which the kids just sit there, relatively expressionless, watching silently, or with bored inattention, or saying something racist or obscene or otherwise politically incorrect and unbroadcastable that they might have picked up from their parents, or a whole lot of stuff that is just not that clever or appealing.
No, I am perfectly happy for them to bin all that footage. But there are potentially other, less benign forms of manipulation going on too. We can see it even in that short quote from Day, in which she accurately reports a sharp gender contrast between the reactions of the boys and the girls when they were watching the “girlie” film Frozen, thereby reinforcing the view that kids will naturally and inevitably have gendered reactions. But what we cannot know, without seeing the entire uncut footage, is the extent to which selective editing played up these gender differences. We did briefly see one of the littlest boys emoting along with the girls though: unlike “proper” boys of 8 or 9 who have learned the gender rules, a 5 or 6 year old can be allowed a girlish reaction without having to feel ashamed – and for that reason, too, we viewers are allowed to see it. Even in a year when transgender identity has been to the fore, it seems gender stereotypes must, for the most part, be reasserted on behalf of the nation’s normal kids.
Also, manipulation-wise, some of the kids’ utterances were so perfectly cute one had to suspect they might have been prompted – as, for instance, when they were watching political news, which may not have been entirely their voluntary choice! They are seen watching a post-election speech by defeated Labour Party leader Ed Miliband, in which he says he tried and is sorry he did not succeed, but is sure that in the future Labour would come back strong again – to which two little girls respond with wildly unlikely applause, while a male prepubescent political sage dryly responds that prime minister David Cameron would never say he was sorry!
Manipulation or fakery of this kind is merely amusing. A more serious source of bias and reinforcement of current social values was to be seen, ironically, in an even better programme, or rather series, about children, also from Channel 4, in the run-up to Christmas. This was The Secret Life of 4, 5 and 6 Year Olds. Unlike Gogglesprogs, which had no pretentions to being anything but entertainment, Secret Life charted the progress of a scientific investigation monitored by Paul Howard-Jones, an educational neuroscientist at Bristol University, and Sam Wass, a developmental Psychologist with the Medical Research Council’s Cognition and Brain Unit, Cambridge. The series started with ten four-year-olds in a specially equipped nursery using cameras hidden at the youngsters’ eye level, enabling producers to gain a unique insight into the children’s social interactions with each other. Later programmes followed children’s growing understanding and social skills as they reached 5 and 6.
The scientists, closeted away in a wired-up monitoring suite where they could observe and hear everything, subjected the kids to sneaky but hugely revealing experiments, such as getting an early-years teacher to leave a chocolate cake on a table and then leave the kids on their own, put on trust not to eat it – with inevitably hilarious results, starting with one little delinquent’s sly lick.
The treehouse provided a great location for intrusion on the kids’ privacy, notably Sienna and Arthur, who took to playing “mums and dads” there. She wanted him to kiss her but Arthur claimed he “had to go to work”. Meanwhile, in his own den, we see Dr Howard-Jones getting positively excited over the prospect of a bit of amorous action. Losing his academic detachment completely, he is rooting like crazy for his little man: “Come on Arthur, stop stalling. Just go for it mate!”
Even the Daily Mail was charmed by this infant romance, to the extent of running a move-by-move description that ran to nearly 900 words, would you believe, just on the one brief encounter, under the headline “Is this the cutest TV moment ever?
But despite this apparently pornographic detail, and the academics’ blatant voyeurism – which would surely be damned as “creepy” in any other context – something is missing from our screens, namely any evidence of manipulation. The major premise of the whole set up, remember, is that this is a ground-breaking way of observing and studying little kids as they really are, enabling very precise study of their psychological and social development “in the wild”, as it were, in their natural habitat, or at least behaving “naturally”, without adult interference or even (so far as the kids are aware) knowledge. But this is an illusion, at least as far as the “romantic” side is concerned. The impact of culture has already made its mark.
In the relaxed environment of Swedish pre-schools, as  encountered at Heretic TOC a couple of years ago in Mickey and Maria make out in kindergarten, kids could get naked if they wanted, and a Swedish Dr Howard-Jones would have found no reason to be overly excited over a kiss that never quite happened. That would have been very small beer compared to Maria caressing Mickey’s penis, and doubtless a whole lot of other action between other kids. In Britain, by contrast, we are presented with a sanitised, culturally pre-determined (or pre-inhibited) view of what childhood intimacy can be about. What we see, in terms of kids falling in and out with each other, learning the rudiments of diplomacy and understanding each other’s feelings, is very real and important. But we need to know also that the footage is culture-bound, and therefore limited in its scope.
But, hey, this is heavier than I intended. Let’s get back to cute, and to Gogglesprogs.
My favourites, for once, were not the prettiest kids – of whom there were plenty in Secret Life, especially – but a pair of quite plain but enormously expressive ginger-topped lads in Gogglesprogs called Jacob and Connor. Connor gave a fantastically accomplished, superfast blast of the tongue twister “Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers” in its full, glorious four-sentence version, finishing with an ecstatic burst of triumph, commanding Jake, “Oh, suck on that!!!”
Jake’s admiration is, shall we say, less than overwhelming.
But Connor’s limitations are laid bare as they watch a documentary about the development of a foetus in the womb.
“What’s the womb?” he asks.
“That’s where you get made, says Jake.
“Disgusting!” says Connor.
Both of them crack up when they hear the voiceover about “our ancient, fishy ancestors”.
Jake, puzzled: “But we don’t have fish as our ancestors”.
Connor, with grave, almost philosophical, deliberation: “In some distant way we’re related to everything.”
Jake, sensibly sceptical whatever the truth of the matter : “Ummm… not really.”
Connor: “Yes, really.”
Jake: “Not really. How?”
Connor: “Because we are.”
Jake’s killer question has made it game set and match – not that Connor is going to admit it!
As for the emergence of a face on the foetus, 8-year-old William finds it so shocking he censors it, covering 5-year-old little sister Molly’s eyes with his arm.
Opinions vary as to what the foetus face looks like. The presenter calls it “human”.
“That’s not human, that’s ET!” says Connor.
“I’m scared. I used to look like a deformed potato!” says another boy.
Maybe the best one-liner came in a discussion of Jurassic Park. A dinosaur, according to one girl, “is basically like a violent giraffe”.
My favourite sequence, though, is where they are all watching a wildlife film of a herd of elephants crossing a swollen river with their babies. The adults try to protect the babies, stopping them from being carried off downstream into the muddy, turbulent current. But there are too many to look after. A couple of them do indeed get swept away. Their mothers, stuck with looking after the rest of the brood, can do nothing.
The kids are appalled.
“Are they leaving them without no help?”
“They can’t just let them drown!”
Their anxiety is palpable, and so is their relief when the babies are eventually rescued: the sudden sunbeams lighting the faces of some, the suppressed – and not so suppressed – tears of others. It’s all there in these kids: the raw emotion, the humanity. Very moving too, and something to cling onto, perhaps, as we move on from a year in which drowning humans, including infants, have featured more terribly on our screens than drowning baby elephants.
 
 
 
 

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Cyril

that is not news but you need to know a last year’s project of making children wear special detectors and cameras reacting on sexual grooming/”assault” attempts by strangers:

  • S. Samra, M. Alshouli, S. Alaryani, B. Aasfour, W. Shehieb and M. Mir, “Shield: Smart Detection System to Protect Children from Sexual Abuse,” 2021 13th Biomedical Engineering International Conference (BMEiCON), 2021, pp. 1-6, doi: 10.1109/BMEiCON53485.2021.9745227.
Cyril

there is even a Youtube channel of this project but they have deleted their presentation video:

Cyril

a new study on the degree of how much children may be manipulated by strangers:

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[…] the conviction from a Daily Mail report on Wednesday. I alluded to the case somewhat cryptically in Truth, reality and baby elephants at the end of last year. Now it is in the public domain and is being used as a handy stick to beat […]

Jasmine

The reaction of the boys vs the girls to Frozen is interesting. When Frozen first came out, I was still in denial about my gender and was trying to conform (however poorly) to the male gender role. I made sure to be very vocal about hating princess films and claimed that I would never watch Frozen.
Then my (male) best friend cornered me and forced me into watching some of it with him, and I loved it. A lot.
~*~*~
If Tom doesn’t mind, I’d like to take a moment to say hi, I’m back(ish)! Real life (and other bits of internet life) became extremely engrossing for a few months, and it threatens to do so again soon but, in the eye of the hurricane, it’s calm enough for me to come back for a while.
Among these adventures:
>Through some (slightly questionable) shenanigans, I was able to go straight into a graduate programme before completing undergrad. This took me to a foreign country and led to me living alone for the first time in my life.
>Then I became horribly depressed and, a semester in, I dropped out. On the bright side, I will be able to go the rest of my life saying that “I dropped out of grad school at 17”. This will ensure that I’m never boring at cocktail parties.
>I’ve started transitioning to live as female. So far, everything seems to be going well in that department.
>And, most excitingly, I’m engaged! (For those of you keeping track, my fiancée is four years older than me. To those of you who remember me, that probably comes as no surprise.)

A.

How nice to see you back and doing so well!

A.

This study is very interesting and should, I think, have received more attention than it has: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J056v01n01_04 It found that feelings of passionate love went in a U-shape, being strongest in early childhood and late adolescence. This certainly fits with my recollections: when I was five and six my class was a hotbed of romance. I received heart-bedecked love notes from a couple of smitten little boys, mainly, I think, because I played spaceships with the boys a lot and so was the girl they knew best. Alas, while at that age I was keenly interested in other children’s genitals, I didn’t start having crushes till I was eight, and so was unable at the time to reciprocate those little boys’ feelings, though I was very fond of them as friends…
I also discovered this study on romantic love in early and middle adolescence: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140197198901889 It found that, contrary to popular perception — indeed, contrary to the study I linked above, which found that boys aged ten through thirteen were relatively unromantic and twelve-year-old boys the least romantic of all –, “boys fell in love earlier and more often than girls”.
Here https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/i-lost-my-virginity-to-david-bowie a former groupie recalls having first-time sex with David Bowie when she was fifteen and he about ten years older. Right afterwards she had her first threesome, with Bowie and her best friend. It was all a “beautiful” experience. She promptly moved on to Jimmy Page, with whom she was head over heels in love. Though she was heartbroken when the relationship ended, “I grew up and got over it…I feel blessed. I feel like I was protected rather than exploited.” On that subject, I don’t know how I missed this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11794721/Teen-girls-sexually-crave-older-partners-an-uncomfortable-truth.html
And on the subject of Channel 4 programmes, I recommend ‘Underage and Having Sex’, a two-part series from 2010 which can be watched on Dailymotion. The underagers in question come across remarkably well. The youngest sexually active person featured, aged thirteen, has had only one sexual partner, his girlfriend of a year. He eventually puts a stop to things because, after a talk with his mother, he’s scared his girlfriend will get pregnant. A fourteen-year-old says that while she has “done things” with boys, she hasn’t “had sex”, meaning PIV, yet, because she’s scared of getting pregnant and also because her most significant relationship is with her best friend, another fourteen-year-old girl, and she doesn’t want a boy to come between them. A third fourteen-year-old girl is out as bisexual and has had sex with girls, as well as giving one drunken and now-regretted blowjob to a boy. She firmly states that sex doesn’t have to have anything to do with love. A fifteen-year-old seems to have a healthily joyous attitude towards sex — she certainly giggles about it a lot, anyway! — and wants to go on the contraceptive pill. ” ‘Don’t be silly, wrap your willy’ ” quotes her sixteen-year-old boyfriend. Another fifteen-year-old says she’d have a hard time getting adults to understand that she’s not having sex because she’s being pressurised or to impress boys, but because she quite likes it. Just because we’re kids, she says, doesn’t mean we can’t like sex, and adds that she doesn’t regret anything that made her smile. The kids are all right…
Finally, in the Utterly Random category, scroll down to the third picture here: http://historyoffeminism.com/anti-suffragette-postcards-posters-cartoons/ The twenty-year-old hottie and forty-year-old undesirable spinster are familiar figures, but look at the fifteen-year-old! She’s depicted as a child, wearing little-girl clothes and playing with a doll. You’d never see that now.

A.

Indeed!

His Name Is Shame

“[A] former groupie recalls having first-time sex with David Bowie when she was fifteen and he about ten years older.”
There are these Dad Rock types who would swear down the pub or bar to bash the brains in of any twenty-something male were he to be caught in flagrante delicto with such a young girl, but they go on listening to their Bowie and Led Zeppelin records without distress. An elderly priest or hoary, respected master must be eradicated from history but the pre-Year Zero transgression of a member of the Rockocracy is glossed over.
“She firmly states that sex doesn’t have to have anything to do with love.”
Yes, this is why I now support VirPed. Now that true love has been destroyed by an oversexed and cheap culture, selfish and uncaring, that entered in with the sixties and seventies, boys would simply be moved around and fucked and used and no doubt put on drugs. There would be none of the courtship and bonding of the past age. The kind of characters who post on boychat, talking about boys on youtube like pieces of meat saying they are “gay but don’t know it yet” are the ones for that I am glad laws exist to keep them away from adolescent and younger boys.

A.

I’m inclined to think most people talk like that when they are given little to no outlet for their sexual feelings and/or when they are trying to show off, impress, fit in etc. I think that if legal restrictions were removed many of the same men would not dream of talking about a boy they were having sex with in the same way. Yes, there is a subgroup that treats people like slabs of meat whatever happens — as a woman I know this well — but most men, and women, don’t. As a comment on a YouTube video of the gymnast Shawn Johnson competing at the Olympics someone has posted “I wanted to bang this bitch so hard back in 2008.” We don’t outlaw men having sex with women just because some straight men seem to feel it necessary to refer to anyone they find attractive as a bitch.

A.

More on children and romantic love: I haven’t yet read this fascinating-sounding study https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233171245_Studying_Children's_Sexuality_from_the_Child's_Perspective but an interesting quote is provided, from an eight- or nine-year-old boy describing his feelings: “That you’re crazy about a girl, and that when you see her it happens at once…You feel it near your heart, and you get red all over, and I immediately look the other way. ” Heather Corinna of Scarleteen has pointed out that it would be an odd parent who replied to “I love you, Daddy!” with “You’re too young to know what love is” or who told a child heartbroken that their best friend was moving away “You haven’t lived enough to understand what friendship’s all about.” But people do say such things to children and adolescents in love.
Kids’ love lives, though, are much less of a radioactive topic than their sex lives, and you do get some positive portrayals, not really in English-speaking cultures, that I’m aware of at least, but in Latin America — the 1971 British film Melody was a big hit there, and the 2011 Argentinian film Infancia Clandestina (on Vimeo, no subtitles) borrows heavily from it in places — and in Scandinavia. I liked Jørgen + Anne = sant (Norway, 2011) which ends with the declaration that though people say you can’t really fall in love when you’re ten, you can!

A.

Taking the “It’s all about who you love” tack has worked very well for gay activists, certainly. Though, unlike paedophile love, gay love can be quite easily corralled behind a white picket fence, if people are willing to do a bit of squinting to blur off any discomfiting rough edges — the higher rate of open relationships among gay men, for instance: when he declared his support for gay marriage, Obama was careful to describe his gay staff members’ relationships as monogamous. Where’s the nice unthreatening slot for CLs? With the heavy focus on the nuclear family at the expense of the extended family, the kindly uncle role is less familiar and less available than once it was. But I do wonder whether that may change a little now that many young adults can’t afford to move out of their parents’ homes. Could the silver lining be a resurgence in extended family ties?

mr pedo-man

Watching BBC HARDTALK Last night, They were discussing FGM….Where the subject of informed consent came up — Totally different kettle of fish — But maybe interesting to share with some MAP’S: Stage three is the most inordinate, and is mostly carried out in the horn of Africa. On that subject, I chatted with a friend from Kenya; I mentioned that there’s a gender bias regarding MGM, But he said he had it done when he was nine years old. He was happy to have it done, And i asked was he informed, he said of course, he was well aware of the pain etc etc. There was a point made in video that its illegal because these countries are AID reliant, But don’t enforce the laws because they are a recognised custom:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6UfEaZHBE

eqfoundation

On this upcoming June 22nd, I will see my ten year anniversary of entering the blogosphere…with all it’s memories and experiences, good and bad.
I’m looking forward to it, and it’s what’s mostly prompted me to get off my behind, and start republishing the content from my first [and possibly most relevant] blog…but, it’s going to be a ton of work, no doubt.
Surveying the whole landscape..I think the best thing for me, is that I never approached this as a “single issue” project…At the bare minimum, I had my atheism to walk along side my BoyLove…And over the years, I’ve evolved into social and human rights issues, which aren’t solely connected to either of those things…but they often effect those things.
I don’t really see myself as a BoyLove writer/speaker…nor an atheist writer/speaker…I’m a decent human being, who cares about this world…and the plight of others…even those who aren’t like me. Because of this…I try to share things which uplift, improve and help people grow as individuals…and I salt in my own thoughts [on many things], along the way.
Evolving has kept me going…because it’s kept the journey fresh…and challenging…Or at least engaging…I think it’s also helped to deflect the notion, that I’m “obsessed with” adult child sexual relations.
It’s frustrating watching you guys from across the pond…and the meddling government, which targets your base freedom of speech.
That is really what happened to Newgon, causing it’s gradual grinding to a halt…The government where it’s original owner lived, made it illegal to have such a website. This kind of interference is serious.
I’m glad to see the revival occurring, where people like us are really starting to dig in and hold our own…
…But like anyone who has been doing this kind of thing for an extended amount of time…I can attest, that you go through phases and periods…where you just don’t know where you are heading…and sometimes, you feel like you are falling out of the drive to do it…Sometimes, it [and everything associated with it] is overwhelming…Sometimes, you feel like you cant do it anymore.
I wrestle with an inevitability…that my eyesight is deteriorating so badly, I don’t know how long I can keep this up…never mind that they will likely start pushing censorship laws [repealing the U.S. Constitution’s first amendment?], in the coming years…And I may lose all contact, with a community I’ve been part of for almost two decades…I wont even know what to do with myself, if that happens…I might end up going crazy in the isolation.
Why am I sharing all of this?…
…Because I understand your state of mind all too well, Tom.
Watching things go…and facing our own departure, is a hard burden in it’s own right.
I would like to take this chance to encourage others out there…If you see meaningful things, which speak to your issues, which are being created by marginalized people…archive copies of it…keep them…share them…Hell…when the creator is gone, republish them…Keep it circulating.
We need to stand as a collective…because no single voice leads forever.

A.

Growing up I loved Susan Cooper’s fantasy quintet The Dark is Rising. A few years ago I had a fit of nostalgia and moseyed on down to the library to see what she has written since. More children’s fantasy, unsurprisingly. Seaward I didn’t like as much, but I was interested to find that it was quite frank about the sexual attraction between a young adolescent boy and girl. The Boggart I found funny and charming. It includes two male actors who live together and a pair of boys, sixteen and ten, who are best friends. The younger lad is a computer whiz, the elder a high-school dropout. At one point they spend all night together in the younger boy’s room resolving a magical computer problem together with his sister. Mother comes up the stairs in the morning and the sixteen-year-old wonders what he’s going to say to explain why he spent the night in her son’s room. I pricked up my ears. Unusual thing to read in a children’s book.
Next up was King of Shadows (1999). It’s about a gifted eleven-year-old actor who belongs to a boys’ company that’s going to perform at the reconstructed Globe. He shares a name with this dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Field and finds himself transported back in time and acting with Shakespeare in 1599. The two become close — very close: hugs, kisses, talk of love. It’s presented as a father-son thing, Shakespeare having lost Hamnet and Nat having lost his father, but there is definite subtext. Cooper told the Guardian that “Initially, my idea was to write a story about Shakespeare’s repressed homosexual relationship with one of his boy actors — but then the boy, Nat, got stronger, and by the second chapter I knew that it was a children’s story.” However, she added elsewhere, something of that flavour still hangs around the book: one of her friends said to her, “I wish I’d had this book when I was a gay boy at ten.” It’s hard to imagine a male children’s writer getting away with this admission. I’ve wondered about Cooper, as she writes a lot of choirboys and in King of Shadows people are always describing boys as pretty (historically accurate, I don’t doubt). But then, man-boy fiction by women is practically its own curious little subgenre: I’m thinking here of Marguerite Yourcenar, Mary Renault, Iris Murdoch, Ursula Zilinsky (Middle Ground), Isabelle Holland (The Man Without a Face), Rose Tremain (Sadler’s Birthday).

YoungBL

Hello Tom,
I just want to echo Christian words. I do hope you’re fine and please keep this way. My nickname says a bit about me and just to reinforce, I can say that I finally got off that adolescence storm we go through when I accidentally got to know about you and your book (I read it). It was as if I was talking to a friend.
Well, just to let you know I/we can’t assure everything you do will be lost but nothing can be lost forever, even when Alexandria’s library was burn down and pretty much everything was lost, plenty of thing got rediscovered!
You have been doing a great job since back then! I wasn’t born at that time, I didn’t know English and now I’m here, think about how many people will sooner or later get to ride on the same road I am. Hope you know what I mean. Keep healthy and know that you won’t be forgotten.
By the way, I loved to know that Channel 4 has made these two lovely programs, unfortunately I still didn’t find where to download the episodes. I will watch it, there is nothing cutter than the British accent especially when it comes from children’s mouth.
Have a great day Tom,
YoungBL

YoungBL

>”You say you didn’t know English in your early years, but I’m guessing you have mainly grown up in America…” “…It seems to be an example of “exotic is erotic” to use the coinage of psychologist Daryl Bem, although he was theorising about the origins of sexual orientation.”
I hate being an exception to the rule, it seems that life is easier when you’re just another robot. Well, well, well, I don’t want you Tom to believe less in Daryl Bem’s work, but your assumptions were all inaccurate. See?, not even this great psychologist got it right about me (“exotic is erotic” not always).
I haven’t grown up in America, I’m so lucky for that.
At the beginning when I was about 12-14 I started to like English. I loved listening to (American) English and again I liked the kids talking I even used to repeat the lines they said. I bought a great book and since I didn’t quite like the British accent at that time (don’t be mad at me hehe) I never checked the cd part. Bottom line, You’re very right about the “as we often hear of folks from your side of the pond falling in love with our accent” I know americans/canadians that are in love with British accent. My love for this accent probably came from that but I initially didn’t like it.
>Was your first language Spanish by any chance?
That’s what drives me crazy. I wish I could say everything I want but I can’t!
Not Spanish but another language derived from Latin.
>Anyway, thanks for saying I was going a good job “back then”. I hope you don’t mean back then when Alexandria’s library was burnt down. I’m not quite that old! 🙂
hehe, if it were at the Alexandria’s library I’m sure you could’ve done way much more with less difficulty. By the way, How old are you Tom, 60 something? 😉

leonard sisyphus mann

>”By the way, I loved to know that Channel 4 has made these two lovely programs, unfortunately I still didn’t find where to download the episodes.”
all 7 episodes of the ‘secret lives of 4,5, and 6 year olds’ can be found here – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCATn0ABmtzTaJH3BzOO3Zxw

YoungBL

Thanks leonard. Do you happen to know where I can find the googlesprogs episodes as well? I’ve been reading and it seems to me that this program doesn’t feature kids only. There was only this episode on Christmas eve or something.

leonard sisyphus mann

It’s available for another couple of weeks ‘on demand’ here – http://www.channel4.com/programmes/gogglesprogs/on-demand/62489-001 but I think you need to register a UK address or something for it to work.
I’m guessing that it might start appearing on youtube once those two weeks are up.

HisNameWasShame

I’m afraid you’d be disappointed to visit modern Britain, where the only standard of English one is permitted to express oneself in are the dialects “meedja” also known as “Samanfa Cameron”, with the glottal stop carefully omitted as in “wha-eva!”, and, of course, “propa!”, which is what the telescreen shows us workin’ class peepol speaking, despite that my extended family are from a formermining village and all pronounce their words correctly, and listening to any of the historical recordings of workin’ class people they all sound plush by today’s standards. Such is the decree made through the mighty quangos by the scions of upholstered Red hooligan dynasties, who instill through mass media infiltration what our public utterances and private thoughts should be.
Actually, though, what is interesting is the various Eton documentaries on youtube. The boys in the early-sixties one have the most pure, succulent upper class English voices, their developing adam’s apples humming handsomely throughout as they speak. By contrast, the modern documentary the boys are to me indistinguishable from any of the boys from the moderately-heeled estates by me.

His Name Is Shame

Think I meant a carefully placed glottal stop…

A.

Paedophilia: The Radical Case did a huge amount for me too. In this book https://www.ipce.info/sites/ipce.info/files/biblio_attachments/goode_2.pdf seven BLs and GLs say it has been significant for them. TOC thus beats out Brongersma, Sandfort, Kinsey and Lewis Carroll. Only Lolita, with eight mentions, scores higher.

Christian

Tom, I hope that your health will be OK this year. This is an aspect of one’s life about which one has not much control.

A.

I’m sorry things have been bad. I hope they get better.
About Frozen: Yes, I was going to say that in my experience it is pretty popular with little boys as well as with little girls. The trailers with Olaf the snowman and without the princesses were a marketing device to get parents to take their sons, and once the sons were in the movie theatre, they found they liked the movie. Sixteen-year-old girls, even, went openly gaga over Frozen, and many sixteen-year-old boys liked it but a lot more quietly…
Parents are often very worried when their seven-year-olds become rabid gender conformists. Often, they needn’t be. Of course some gentle explanations along the lines of “boys can wear purple/be librarians/have long hair too” are called for, but really, this is most often a stage in cognitive development. Kids that age understand what gender is and that it is (usually!) permanent, but they aren’t yet able completely to fit their heads around the idea that while certain characteristics are typically associated with one or the other gender, you can be a boy/girl and yet do/like/be the other set of things. They will grow out of it. Also, if you think about it, many budding gay boys are just as easily and naturally drawn to the pretty-pink-fairy-princesses stuff as their female classmates are, in the teeth of discouragement from all sides. It’s a natural phase. It can be a very happy phase. There’s nothing wrong with it just because it’s feminine (and I speak as a former tomboy child who disdained all that). The princesses in Frozen are fine role models.
Four…being four…it’s a wild, savage age in my memory, shades of J. M. Barrie. At six I was a logical person. I was an empiricist. I could be reasoned with. My memories from then are clear and ordered. Here are some of the things I remember from when I was four: Lying on the kitchen lino listening to the washing machine chug away and imagining that as it chugged it was chanting to itself, in a monotone with periodic heavy emphasis, the songs we sang at nursery school — “The WHEELS on the BUS go ROUND and ROUND” like that — and then getting confused and not knowing if the washing machine was really singing or if I was imagining it, and not liking that. Pretending to myself and my mother that my teddy was talking into my ear and yet knowing in the back of my mind that he wasn’t, and feeling somehow shadowed and sullied by the knowledge and the pretence. Telling the nursery staff that the lady next door had had a baby — I was exactly four and a half then — and then getting confused and thinking I had made it up and I’d be in trouble when my mother came to collect me and they mentioned it, and being very relieved and quite surprised when, as I listened her talk about it with them, I realised it was true after all. Beginning to figure out gender and saying to my mother “Daddy’s a gentleman”, meaning, he’s male, and being utterly baffled when she replied “I wouldn’t exactly say that.” Hanging upside down by my knees from a piano bench listening to the blood thud in my ears and then thinking with intense fear that the thudding was the footsteps of the chopper in ‘Oranges and Lemons’ coming to chop off my head, and swinging back upright quickly to make him go away.

A.

When I was eleven I was still carrying two memories which by the objects in them I can date to between my first and second birthdays. I have since lost them, but fortunately I wrote them down at the time. They were 1.) staring in total fascination at my babysitter’s hairbrush and 2.) lying in my cot unable to breathe properly because of a stuffed nose and feeling utterly terrified.

A.
gordonk

Hoping 2016 is a better year. Last year seemed to be a stinker for just about everyone, so the laws of statistics mean this one should be better. As for any changes in attitudes towards sex with minors, well, that would take some doing.
The good news is that with more and more young people getting in trouble for things like sexting, it is forcing the masses to rethink some of the laws around it. I know a few people who have been impacted by these laws and one by one, opinions are shifting. Not enough for any real meaningful advances, but it’s a start.

Sapphocidaire

“[T]hereby reinforcing the view that kids will naturally and inevitably have gendered reactions.”
What a lot of seventies activist femiclaptrap! You will observe the newspeak use of ‘gendered’. No!
Despite the attempts by the NEWly ascendant (dis)ORDER to frustrate the natural growth of boys to make them into a blank slate on which to brand your perverse notions of gender equality Uber Alles!, BIOLOGY WILL REBEL!
FemiRotters: their LATEST sick endeavour, making the Royal Shakespeare Company ( already so TRENDY, illiterate and NEW (dis) ORDERly that they cannot even correctly enunciate a line of iambic pentameter, have women and men perform mens and women’s roles in equal slotting. Yet another example ( wailing women in churches is another) where the less-fair sex has barged in where boys’ roles naturally belong! Makes me sick! The women’s roles in Shakespeare should ALL be performed by boys. Sickening!
Bet you won’t publish this!

stephen6000

Having all the women’s roles in Shakespeare played by boys might be fun as a one-off, but I can’t help feeling that as a general policy it would be a little unfair (however historically authentic if might be)!

Edmund

Unfair on whom? The audience? Shakespeare? Unfair implies letting someone down and I can’t see that at all. Having seen many productions from all-boys’ boarding-schools where the female roles were played by boys, I can vouch for many being high-quality as well as fun.
Edmund, Alexander’s Choice, a novel, http://www.amazon.com/Alexanders-Choice/dp/1481222112

stephen6000

I meant unfair on female actors.

Sapphocidaire

Are you Stephen Fry? I’ve always suspected as much.

stephen6000

Well, I’m flattered (despite what you obviously intended), but no, I’m not. What made you suddenly think that?

stephen6000

I was thinking this might be the start of a new hobby for me – impersonating celebrities on the Internet – but no, I’ll resist that temptation, it could get me into some hot water!

Edmund

Hmm. Indeed, I feared so. Shouldn’t the profession of acting, like any other, if it is to be positive rather than parasitic, be about giving what is wanted rather imposing one’s selfish perception of what is due to oneself? I suggest the demanded sacrifice of the intrinsically valuable to selfishly-pretended good goes to the very heart of the crisis of the heretic. If (and it is an if) boys play Shakespeare’s female roles better, I say it is intellectually and culturally contemptible to suggest they be played otherwise.

stephen6000

How could it be true that boys play Shakespeare’s female roles better IN GENERAL? I can believe that some boys might play some of them better than many girls, but not that they –an entire group– could be better overall. I’m sure that there are boys who can do a lovely Juliet, for example. But remember we are talking about a POLICY of preferring boys. Don’t you think that such a policy might not produce a few duds in the long run, especially in the case of amateur productions, which wouldn’t have a wide pool of talent to draw on? This policy would both be unfair to female actors AND indefensible in dramatic terms.

stephen6000

Well, that’s interesting. But of course, though the comedy may, as you say, be ‘given a dizzyingly mind-bending extra dimension’ by having the female parts played by boys, there are other factors, arguably more weighty ones, for adopting a more conventional approach to casting decisions when Shakespeare is performed in this day and age. Again, this is not to dismiss the gender-bending approach as an occasional foray. I, for one, would not object!

HisNameWasShame

Yes, as in The Merchant of Venice, but I can’t see why it should “have presented one hell of a challenge to heteronormativity!” when the very notion expressed by that word didn’t exist in any explicit sense at that time. You are applying your own politics in expecting any great art to be political. NONE of Shakespeare’s plays are political, thank god! None of them are intended to “CHALLENGE CONVENTION”, a tired myth– though effective in their revolutionary brainwashing– of the bohemian, left-liberal and post-Marxist bourgeoisie, when in fact everything worthwhile in life is the SACRED and what is inherited. Of course, I haven’t read the thesis of the pilot with the eye-patch but I worked this out myself just by reading the plays, despite my not being some kind of a great intellectual.

A.

I’m a music type, not a theatre type, but I reckon there is plenty of room for both. Recordings and performances of early music by the boy sopranos and altos they were written for coexist quite comfortably with recordings and performances by adult female singers. Most people, I think, will always prefer the generally greater skill of an adult singer but the boys definitely have their niche too.

mr pedo-man

Also some women play boys really well!

A.

Thinking of Peter Pan?

Ali

Reading between the lines of your last two posts, Tom< I get the impression that you are being hassled by the authorities. Again.
I have always admired your openness and courage, and I know that you have paid a high price for it over the years.
It is remarkable that a country (UK) which is forever lecturing the world on liberty and free speech, is unable to allow it on its own shores. A society which is not open for discussion must have weak arguments on its side.

feinmann0

Well here’s a thought Ali: “What suggests a nascent fascist Britain is not so much (vile) Tory Government policy but rather the views expressed by the public in comments under mainstream newspaper articles.” Link: scriptonitedaily.com/2013/08/02/uk-sleepwalking-into-fascism-workhouses-for-disabled-the-racistvan-racial-profiling/

gantier99

Riddles, riddles…. The biggest one must be what is it exactly about children and sex that is supposed to be harmful? Let’s hope you have the will and energy to continue to shed light on this!
Thanks for “Mickey and Maria make out in kindergarten”, written when I was sadly unaware of this blog. Lots of useful information there. Having lived in Sweden, with my own children attending day care and pre-school, I can confirm that attitudes to nudity were refreshingly relaxed. And if the little darlings happened to want to talk about each others privates, well it was no big deal really. But that was in the 80’s and I guess that Scandinavia is not immune to puritanical “enlightenment” nowadays.
It is definitely the season for watching TV. A great Swedish tradition is “Julkalendern” (Christmas calendar), 15 minutes every day from the first of Advent to Christmas Eve. Aimed primarily at younger children, and usually a drama, this year the format was changed to part documentary, part reality TV, about how a family (mum, dad, two or three kids) might have lived through the ages. Each episode was set at a different time, from the Viking period to the modern day.
The mum and dad were played by the same actors throughout, but the children were rotated, some 20 in all participating. The adults had a script to follow (more or less) but the children were kept completely in the dark about what would happen. The children were also given the opportunity to record their own private comments about what they had experienced, some of these then being edited into the episodes. The result is a fantastic hilarious mixture of history lesson and spontaneous reactions and thoughts from the children, aged between 3 and 11 or so.
I watched the whole series, spellbound! Small boys as princes in disbelief at being told they have to marry for the sake of their country, small girls in a 70’s collective squirming with embarrassment on being told that men put their thing inside women “we call it adult-nice” (vuxenskönt) shortly after the voiceover said that children at that time were welcome to take part in adult things.
All 24 episodes are here for another three weeks or so (but only in Swedish): http://www.svtplay.se/julkalendern-tusen-ar-till-julafton
And some predictable reaction to “vuxenskönt” (do children have to know that sex is nice?)
http://www.metro.se/nyheter/foraldrar-rasar-mot-vuxenskont-i-julkalendern/EVHolu!c9hfYQGv6Cd9E/

A.

Here’s an interesting article by Alice Dreger on telling kids that sex is nice: http://www.psmag.com/health-and-behavior/admitted-children-sex-primarily-pleasure-81691

mr pedo-man

There was a similar program back in 2003/04…When kids were left in a house without adults; Observing the emerging hierarchies in the group –That and sexy kids in pajamas! I try to avoid the nauseating sentimentalism of Christmas i understand why they banned that crap in WW2…and this is coming from someone that believes in unfettered free speech. The programs i have been enjoying are ‘The Professionals’ and ‘Minder’ Good story lines, Less PC and good fight scenes — Also kids in the latter were same age as me, Free on their bikes, and often bribing Arthur Daily, The dodgy, But funny second-hand car salesman; its also nice to see all those classic cars like Arthur’s series 3 Jag.

feinmann0

“My life has been an open book and now it is closed.”
Ominous portents …
I miss Anna Raccoon’s blog like crazy. Don’t tell me I will be missing Heretic TOC’s in short order too.

Marthijn Uittenbogaard

Happy New Year Tom and all your followers on this blog too.

leonard sisyphus mann

>”The Secret Life of 4, 5 and 6 Year Olds”
Thanks for mentioning this Tom! I’ve spent the first morning of the year binge-watching these on Youtube – it’s absolutely riveting, thought-provoking and sometimes really quite moving.

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