The first part of this two-part guest blog by “Marco” appeared under the main heading “Like cutting off my own limb” on 24 September.
TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN
In the first part of this guest blog, last month, I explained the devastating consequences that repression (self-inflicted) and oppression (exercised by others) of my homosexuality, had on me over the course of my adolescence, leading to several suicide attempts. I also explained that, as an adult, I had been chatting on Grindr with a 13-year-old boy who showed interest in a sexual encounter, and I told of the horrible experience I had in a legal consultation. I eventually decided not to meet the kid. Not because I would be doing anything wrong, but because I wanted to be free to tell my full story later, and to advocate for social and legal change.
I have come to the realisation that we are trapped in a system that is rotten to the core. The current debates on the age of consent are driven by the interests, expectations, needs, phobias, and prejudices of parents. Sex negationists deny youth sexuality, as if children had no identity, no preferences, and no sexual desire. It is as if youngsters were deemed incapable of taking the initiative, or as though being oppressed was just a minor inconvenience. Irrationality is cranked up by journalists who use the term “paedophile” in a sensationalistic way to generate click-bait headlines.
Adults suck, sometimes. The debate should return to what it should always have been about: the interests and needs of children themselves. However, our “justice” system doesn’t really care about what young people think, feel, or say about their sexuality. It takes them as mere legal artefacts, cute but innocent, silly brats, unripe fruit, or brittle China dolls we’d rather wrap in protective cotton wool and keep safe in a box. Youngsters are indeed immature, but, ironically, they are deprived of real experiences from which they would gain – guess what – maturity.
Sadly, legal consent involving minors and adults has been reduced to a completely dehumanised procedure for the convenience of a “justice” system designed to resolve cases through the brutal application of a simple “one size fits all” formula that fails to do justice to individual circumstances. It has become a bit like primary school Maths: “Tell me your age. Tell me ‘her’ age. Formula applied. We are done. Next.” This justice system is ostensibly for the protection of minors. But horny teenagers do not wait. Instead, they rush into furtive encounters, leaving them with a terrible fear of discovery and vulnerable to risks including abuse and STIs. I take sexual abuse seriously. So seriously that I don’t buy the utterly absurd idea that wanted relationships are the same for minors as unwanted ones. It is high time to rethink consent.
But, first, we need to lay a foundation from a philosophical and ethical perspective, to see what is at stake. In a way, oppression and abuse are two sides of the same coin. The common underlying principle is that you own your body, your intimacy is yours. The moment we are born, our body is ours, and we have an identity that will persist for the rest of our life. If our sexual intimacy is something so important, sacred, transcendental, ancestral, and which profoundly affects our dignity… then it must be so both in terms of inviolability and in terms of right to its use. Correct?
We can think of it this way: keeping innocent people out of prison is as important as putting guilty ones behind bars. The greater the punishment at stake, the more relevant that “as important” becomes, and the more necessary it is to correctly define what is an offence and what is not. In my view, any system that does not strongly recognise both sexual abuse and sexual oppression as core ethical concerns is flawed. In other words: Laws must not only exist to protect us from abuse; they are also there to ensure our freedom. And if you ask me how much sexual freedom is enough, I’ll ask you: How much gender equality do you think is enough? To put it in Foucaultian terms, sex shaming has an overwhelming yet underestimated power dynamic.
In the specific case of youth, to be fair, I do think they are more vulnerable to abuse. But people systematically overlook the fact that they are more vulnerable to oppression as well, since they are at a stage of life where they are completely dependent on their parents, do not have the right to vote, and are under high pressure to swallow pre-established social conventions. In the meantime, their libido increases along with their rapidly rising testosterone levels . Putting all this together, we can say that young people are highly impacted by both abuse and oppression.
Consequently, human rights should address sexual freedom both in terms of abuse and oppression. The right to be free from sexual abuse is recognised. But there is no recognised right to private intimate contact that is mutually desired. What is stopping this? One of the obvious pitfalls is child sexuality. By definition, human rights apply to all humans, so that if we recognise sexual freedom as a human right, we will inevitably have to address juvenile sexual freedom. However, the human rights conventions of the United Nations are still galaxies away* from such ideas . As a reminder, they still fail to effectively decriminalise homosexuality these days, even though ILGA surrendered in the debate on child sexuality three decades ago to satisfy the demands of the conservatives. That was the price of acceptance into the UN club – an astronomically expensive price, I must add. I wonder when humanity will be mature enough to recognise sexual freedom as a human right.
But, hey, wait a moment! It would be totally wrong to treat adolescents just like adults, as they don’t have the same capabilities. I especially refer to the capacity for rejecting sexual propositions. Saying “no” is not that easy. Additionally, receiving a sexual proposition may come unexpectedly to a teenager, and this poses a problem. In other words, adolescents are not adults. They don’t start from a level playing field. Agreed. But adolescents are not toddlers either! In fact, a 5-year-old infant is not the same as a 10-year-old pre-teen, or a 15-year-old teenager, or a 20-year-old young adult. In my opinion, establishing a single age of consent (before which you are deemed sexually disabled, and after which you are deemed autonomous) doesn’t make much sense because it is poorly adapted to our nature. We don’t become autonomous overnight. It is more of a gradual process, isn’t it? Laws should strive to adapt to human nature, not the other way around! Therefore, for a start, we need a system that recognises different “stages of consent” (rather than a single “age of consent”).
Adolescents cannot consent autonomously. But this is by no means an excuse to oppress those who do want to have an intimate contact with someone. If you simply say “they can’t consent” you are basically saying you don’t care about their feelings and dignity, since you have already decided for them, but without them. They are not objects! Let’s not forget that we are talking about humans. Also, the “they can’t consent” rhetoric creates conflicts with sex education. How come we can have sex education activities below the age of consent? How come we can ask youth to respect the will of others if we don’t respect theirs?
Rather, we have the moral duty to respect their feelings and help them have contacts safely. Legal consent should establish guarantees, not limits. In the case of minors, I think two things should be added to the law with regard to age gaps, as strong indicators of consent: whether the minor is supervised by parents who knew about the intended contact, and whether the sexual encounter is explicit and organised on the initiative of the minor. I consider parental supervision especially important. Parents have the responsibility to safeguard the sexual freedom of their children as much as they have the responsibility to feed them.
We cannot sacrifice the freedom of some in order to protect others, as this creates a new injustice. The fact that real sexual abuse is rightly treated as criminal does not mean non-abusive acts should also be criminalised. In my view, it is an ethical perversion to curtail the sexual freedom of teenagers because “we hate abusers”, since this directs part of the punishment onto innocent youngsters and their partners. Also, restrictions cannot be based on “risk of abuse”, since this immediately establishes a prejudice. Instead, the goal of a fair system of legal consent is to make sure, to the greatest possible extent, that the will of every individual is respected. That’s what consent is in its essence: profound respect for the individual will.
* Except for a remarkably bold development in a report two years ago sponsored by the UN but never endorsed by that organisation, which timidly rowed back when the proposals came under attack from then Senator Marco Rubio, who is now the US Secretary of State. This was a report by the International Commission of Jurists, as featured in a downpage Heretic TOC item headed “Let’s march to the 8 March tune”.
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Your regular heretic host resumes here:
GROOMED, BY MUSK AND ROBINSON
We have been around the “grooming gangs” block before. There have already been inquiries in Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Oldham and Bradford. And of course there was the vast, sprawling, multi-year, no-expense-spared Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) to which I testified when they wanted to hear about my involvement (which was zero) in the alleged VIP child abuse ring (also zilch), in parliament and government.
The so-called “Westminster strand” of the inquiry was founded entirely on the lies of a few fantasists, one of whom was later discredited and jailed – unlike the hacks and pols who chose to believe what common sense should have told them was ridiculous. They believed all the fake news, or said they did, simply because it suited them to do so: it promoted a sensational narrative that promised to advance their own careers while kicking political opponents in the teeth, with one side denouncing Labour’s association (think NCCL, Harriet Harman) with people like me while the other side knocked fantasy Tory child abusers such as former prime minister Edward Heath.
“Strat”, in a recent comment here, rightly said a new grooming gangs inquiry will be a “useless and expensive” exercise, noting that Jim Gamble, a high-profile police figure who had been tipped to lead it, has pulled out. This, too, brings back that déjà vu feeling. Gamble’s withdrawal came when “survivors” expressed no confidence in a police-led inquiry. Likewise, IICSA had a rocky start when the alleged victims/survivors at that time refused to accept several experienced and respected figures as the inquiry head, finally settling for Prof. Alexis Jay, who had been in charge of the Rotherham inquiry.
If anything needs to be done to prevent genuinely coercive or violent sexual behaviour towards children, yet more inquiries are not going to help. When self-appointed victim/survivor leaders are given the “voice” they constantly claim is being ignored, they tend to end up squabbling among themselves, scrabbling to grab hold of the biggest megaphone and denouncing any voice except their own. Why is it, I wonder, that these so-called “vulnerable” people, who have allegedly suffered so badly at the hands of abusers who “have all the power”, all seem to be so stridently assertive, aggressive, noisy, and, well, incredibly powerful?
Real victims would be better served by resolute police action, not inquiries. Why doesn’t that happen? My suspicion is that the police understand quite well that the only reason “grooming gangs” are such a hot issue is that those who have pushed it to the top of the political agenda are the likes of Elon Musk and Tommy Robinson, whose target is not so much groomers as Muslims, especially Muslim immigrants. The “Muslim grooming gangs” motif hits two hot-button emotive issues at once: Pakis and paedos!
The police have plenty of real work to be doing, some of it against genuine child abuse, including neglect and cruelty (the original focus of the NSPCC), and we are all aware of how bogus abuse work and pursuing ridiculous woke hate-crime complaints has distracted them from real and urgent tasks such as tackling knife crime, county lines, the epidemic of industrial scale shoplifting, having a visible presence at known trouble hotspots before it all kicks off, and upping their game against devastating online scams that can wipe out life savings, to say nothing of major cybercrime: the JLR job alone has threatened thousands of livelihoods and cost the economy billions. The cops should focus on this important stuff, and we (the public) should let them get on with it.
DISLODGING PRINCE ANDREW
Having been forced out of my own home back in the day for no better reason than being unpopular as a MAP, I have some sympathy for Prince Andrew, who is under pressure not just to give up the roof over his head but to banish himself to some other country, just for the “crime” of once having had an unpopular friend, many years ago.
The claim is that he has been sponging off taxpayers by living rent-free for over 20 years at Royal Lodge, Windsor, which is admittedly more “des res” than your average asylum hotel. But the “sponging” allegation ignores the fact that Andrew’s lease committed him to paying an initial £1 million and spending £7.5 million on refurbishment plus maintaining the house and estate, which must cost a bomb – the grounds alone need four full-time gardeners, and total outdoor costs would be around £150,000 each year, to say nothing of the 30-room building’s upkeep.
A HINT OF HOPE FROM ECUADOR
It is always darkest just before the dawn, as wise man Thomas Fuller observed a few centuries ago. Was he right? I have no idea. I have never checked. But we must hope his metaphorical wisdom works in the case of Marthijn Uittenbogaard and his partner Lesley, the Dutch duo who fled their country’s increasing intolerance against MAP activism only to end up baselessly imprisoned in Ecuador in 2022 under appalling conditions. Their story, starting in the Netherlands, has long been followed by Heretic TOC when there have been major developments. See, especially, here, here, here, and here.
What we must hope was the darkest point, following a long-delayed trial, conviction, 10-year prison sentence and failed appeal, was an awful period this summer when the pair had reduced access to food, leaving them weak and increasingly vulnerable to TB, from which many prisoners were dying. As their compatriot and stalwart supporter Anton Dautzenberg, a famous writer in the Netherlands, put it, “the president of Ecuador thinks that [food] is an unnecessary luxury for the time being”. Last month, though, Dautzenberg brought some more encouraging news:
The men have been moved to another cell. They feel safe there, because they were already friends with two of the three cellmates. Moreover, they finally have access to the prison shop again, the credit (for three months) has been replenished. They also managed to transfer extra money so that the men can purchase vitamins and nutritional supplements. Finally, the process for transfer of sentence to the Netherlands has been set in motion – WOTS, Transfer of Enforcement of Criminal Sentences Act.
I’m not sure what’s WOTS. Maybe it’s an Ecuadoran or Dutch acronym. But the important bit is in bold. They could be coming home to serve the remainder of their sentence. No further news on that yet, but a week ago Dautzenberg reported that things are still going relatively well and that the prison regime has been relaxed somewhat.
THREE NOT-SO-WISE MEN
Less wise, no doubt, than Thomas Fuller, but probably a good deal more interesting to heretics here, are three figures who have been in the news.
Let’s kick off with naughty former Premier League football referee David Coote, who was unwise enough a few years ago to call Liverpool’s manager at the time, Jürgen Klopp, a “German cunt” and “fucking arrogant”. It got him a Red Card that saw him suspended from his job for a while, but that’s not the half of it. He has since been accused of “gambling misconduct”, caught snorting “a white powder through a bank note”, and – here’s the really naughty bit – in possession of child porn. Wow! What a gloriously colourful badass! Coote’s a hoot!
In January, he came out as gay in an interview with The Sun and said a lifelong struggle to hide his sexuality had contributed to the rant about Klopp. He is reportedly due in court again in December for sentencing in the porn case. Can’t wait to see what excuse he comes up with this time. I suppose it could be, “Sorry, Your Honour, I was off my head on coke while trying to forget about my disastrous gambling losses.” Whatever he tries, good luck to him!
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Next up, someone for whom we may have less sympathy, former Lostprophets singer Ian Watkins, who was found dead earlier this month after being attacked in Wakefield prison. On the face of it, his criminality had been truly awful, as he had been serving a 29-year sentence for a number of child sex offences including “the attempted rape of a fan’s baby”.
We always need to be careful with rape allegations, though, bearing in mind that the word “rape” has been so diluted in meaning. At one time it was confined to forcible penetration of the vagina, which would have been truly horrific in the case of a baby – and perhaps also impossible bearing in mind that a baby’s genitals could not accommodate an adult penis. As for “attempted”, what might that have amounted to? Even gentle rubbing of a penis against a child’s vagina, anus, or mouth with only the very slightest intromission, would legally constitute rape these days, and for a charge of “attempted” rape to succeed it would be necessary only to show that the accused intended to penetrate the victim and had started relevant preliminaries, such as undressing a child.
What makes me doubt that he ever did anything that would have frightened or hurt a child is that he made little secret of his sexuality, and was able to recruit two women “who donated their babies to him”, as Watkins’ defence barrister Michael Wolkind put it. These women were jailed as well. Also, even though there was video evidence of his “attempted rape of a baby” he did not initially plead guilty. Did he imagine he might be able to persuade a jury, based on this visual record, that he was not guilty of such a serious charge? In the end he changed his plea, doubtless based on legal advice, so no jury ever saw the evidence.
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Our third unwise man drowned after falling into a marina on his way home from a pub. CCTV cameras captured the 66-year-old walking “unsteadily” along a pontoon before falling over a railing and hitting his head, a coroner’s court heard earlier this month. It was not unknown for him to drink two bottles of whisky per day, the inquest heard.
But this wasn’t just any old drunkard. He was also a double murderer who spent 20 years in prison after a difficult childhood and an early life spent as, in his own words, “a liar, a thief and a cheat”. Some say he drank out of remorse, which is believable because in most respects (not the excessive drinking, clearly) he became a reformed character and a distinguished writer.
I refer to Erwin James, who wrote a regular column about prison life for The Guardian while he was still serving his sentence, and who also edited the prisons newspaper Inside Time until 2023. As a Guardian reader back then, I remember reading a number of his articles, and very good they were too.
James wrote about such bullies several times in his columns. In one article, headed “The hypocrisy of prison barbarism”, he wrote:
But who are these self-appointed judges and executioners who take it upon themselves to dish out extra-judicial violence on fellow prisoners of whom they disapprove? Either they are just nasty sanctimonious bullies, so ashamed of their own failings that they prey on anyone they see as more vulnerable than themselves. Or they are inadequate dullards, vulnerable and easily goaded into senseless assaults on strangers by their sharper neighbours, “the chaps” who get their kicks by playing the morally bankrupt “prison code” game. And cowardice always looms large when attacks are being considered. As the wise heads on the landings say, “If a man five feet nothing is convicted of something to do with sex or children he’s a nonce – if he’s over six feet, there might be some doubt about his conviction.”
Exactly! Well said, Erwin, and R.I.P.
James, whose full name was Erwin James Monahan, died in January last year. The Guardian ran an obituary that is worth checking out.
“If a man five feet nothing is convicted of something to do with sex or children he’s a nonce – if he’s over six feet, there might be some doubt about his conviction.”
Well I’m not over six feet but I’m a bloody handful!
As for the ‘nonce’ pejorative….Did I read somewhere that the word originally was reserved for Homosexuals?
>As for the ‘nonce’ pejorative….Did I read somewhere that the word originally was reserved for Homosexuals?
That would be interesting if true but I don’t know of any factual support for it. Does anyone have a good source on this?
As I reported in 2022, the best explanation of the word’s origin I have seen is that it started long ago in Wakefield prison with the acronym N.O.N.C.E., meaning “not on normal courtyard exercise”. This was marked on the cell card of any prisoner who may have been in danger of violence from other prisoners if they had been sent out of exercise at the same time. See: https://heretictoc.com/2022/07/18/naive-idealists-not-cynical-hangers-on/
However, this says nothing about what type of prisoners were the most unpopular and at risk at that time. Was it gay ones? I suppose it could have been, especially if their camp mannerisms were obvious. A century of more ago, minor-attracted prisoners might have gone under the radar because in those days prisoners had little or no access to outside news and would usually have had no idea what a prisoner’s conviction was for unless a prison officer put the word around.
“note the growing strength of the No Kings movement in America. In my estimation, our own country’s constitutional monarchy far less of an evil than the increasingly lawless one in the US.”
Could not disagree more Tom…..The way I see it is Trump now has a race against time to arrest those in the Deep State before the Dems control the House again. Where is that Russian piss tape, Russian interference that was no more that a Clinton & Obama inspired PsyOp to oust trump on his first term. The left invented Lawfare and were constantly attacking Trump with it, that’s why he hardly had anything done. Also did you see the State department to the UK warning about mass immigration and the displacement of indigenous population is a human rights issue. That is pretty based in my book (not withstanding the paedophilia issue) when you consider the job of a government is to put their citizens first. Illegal immigration especially from Muslim countries puts our safety at risk.
>Where is that Russian piss tape
Good point, Pat. That looks like black propaganda (fake news) invented by former British secret service agent Christopher Steele.
However, an investigation by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee (let me repeat, Republican-led, not Democrat): reported in 2019-20 their conclusion not only that Russia had interfered with the 2016 American presidential election but also that Trump’s people had helped them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections
>an investigation by the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee (let me repeat, Republican-led, not Democrat): reported in 2019-20 their conclusion not only that Russia had interfered with the 2016 American presidential election but also that Trump’s people had helped them:
Joining Tom n Pat’s ongoing off-topic political ping-pong, here are some anti-fake media false binary, largely unstated inconvenient facts.
[MOD: You’re right, Pup. We were beginning to veer off-topic and this time your contribution does so at great length, hence is chopped.]
Sorry Tom, on the rape gangs, I cannot agree with how you dismiss these ladies. Mark Steyn interviewed Sammy Woodhouse in a Hotel that she was also raped at. As for tommy, he didn’t want to hand his phone to the Police when they stopped him for “terrorism” for being in a flash car. On his phone he had numbers from women that were victim to these gangs, and in the past Police insiders had destroyed DNA evidence left on underwear etc. There was a network of these gangs and one is suspected of being feed into a Kebab mincer, you probably know about that girl but she was never found. Many Muslims see white girls as Kafir, and many have past colonial resentment. I’m not with Peers Morgan…..I would not endorse the mass rape of English girls for a curry.
>Sorry Tom, on the rape gangs, I cannot agree with how you dismiss these ladies.
I do not. See this HTOC blog, when I was writing about the issue 12 years ago, acknowledging that there has indeed been a problem : https://heretictoc.com/wp-admin/edit-comments.php
The trouble is though, that the response to the problem is often grounded not in well established facts but in urban myths, as with the story of a girl being fed into a kebab grinder. Where are the facts? Easy to make this stuff up, but hard to disprove.
You refer to “Tommy” as though he were the fount of all wisdom, but he is more interested in trouble-making than facts. He whipped up unrest in one town in northern England, Barrow-in-Furness, in a case of an alleged grooming gang that turned out to be provenly false. The young woman who made the allegations was later jailed for lying about it, thereby “perverting the course of justice”. She had wrecked the lives of some entirely innocent accused people in the process.
Fair enough….But people call him a thug when he’s often defending himself. As someone who grew up in Luton with an increasing Muslim population, campaigning against the demographic replacement and cultural changes, rape gangs, you would need to be a bit handy, not some beta male to survive don’t you think?
His connection to Israel would be a better line of attack considering many on the Right are not interested in 1000 year old blood feuds in the Middle East.
> you would need to be a bit handy, not some beta male to survive don’t you think?
He’s not very big but he certainly has balls. I admire his personal bravery. That is certainly not nothing. But it does not mean we should accept his opinions uncritically.
“How come we can have sex education activities below the age of consent? How come we can ask youth to respect the will of others if we don’t respect theirs?”
That should be their excuse if they are under 16 (in UK) and for whatever reason don’t want to take part in sex education…..They should just ask the teacher….”are you saying we can consent”…..The answer would probably be no, so they would be within their rights to reject that lesson and have a nice game of footy!
“ The justice system does not want to see that there are teenagers looking for sexual encounters.”
They mix up their sexual encounters with moral arguments why they should not be allowed to experiment in sexual encounters…..Like mixing up sexual acts with the slicing off breasts because they want to become a man. Other examples they use are….Well the brain does not stop developing until around twenty five years old. BTW I don’t agree with that is an excuse to deny kids & teens a sexual experience. Of course there are bad actors that they need protecting from, just as the best lies are the ones that have a grain of truth.
The fact that neural connections are growing in the brain does not mean that minors are incapacitated. This does not make sexual activity any different from other activities.
This is simply one of several manipulative tricks designed to appear convincing in an argument, but if the disputant turns out to be more prepared, then all these sophistic barriers collapse, and the antis are left with last defensive barrier that appeal to emotions: “You’re a pedophile if you defend intergen sex!”
Trumped again!?
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New notice for rooms to let:
” All Races, Dogs, Cats, MAPs Welcome – STRICTLY NO ANGLOS xcept MAP Anglos “
Prince Andrew formally stripped of last remaining royal titles by King Charles (BBC News)
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor has lost his royal titles following controversy over his relationship with paedophile Jeffrey Epstein
If Epstein was a “paedophile”, then the girls on his island suffered from a severe form of delayed puberty!
Absolutely. It’s wilful ignorance and concept creep on steroids.
On the one hand, calling someone a “pedo” is the worst insult possible, an accusation that’s so incendiary it demands response. On the other, people are called “pedos” for any old shit that has fuck all to do with pre-pubescent children.
What once denoted preferential attraction to people before puberty, has now morphed into anyone attracted to anyone under 18 years old, i.e. everybody if we’re talking men and 17-year-olds who are visibly no different to 19-year-olds and possibly early 20s women.
It’s absurd, and all about social and political point scoring. Having the stigma symbol be broad makes it more useful. You can hurl the insult at more people, rather than these specific few the term should actually be used for.
The problem here, is that whilst it might be fun for a while to call everyone you dislike a “pedo,” it’s not the kind of world that many people actually want to live in. It’s toxic as fuck, and one of many reasons why we’re seeing real people – especially the fair-minded liberal types with non-social media jobs – retreat into the “real world.”
People are, apparently, posting less of their lives on social media! (Really good embedded video on this BBC article).
We also now know that over 50% of internet traffic is by bots, automated programs that run tasks over the internet. It’s literally not real!!
There are tons of streamers who’ve benefited from this, in the Internet’s version of “fake it ’till you make it,” amassing a real audience off the back of a botted one…
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Nearly everyone I’ve met who’s fair-minded and would care about distinctions and evidence around intergen issues, would never bother arguing the case with people at work or social gatherings, let alone post to social media. The social cost is perceived as too high, and there’s not yet anything to be clearly gained from participating. No hot young hippie pussy at festivals and marches (since MAPs are perceived as male and exclusive – even if they’re women they won’t fuck you), and no career out of it unless you’re a psychotherapist (which B4U-ACT has covered).
I was skeptical at first, but think Beyond the Plus is doing a good thing. If kept up, their efforts could be a game changer years down the line. If nothing else, de-mystifying in person community and emphasizing the real world over the internet is a good thing.
At some point, MAPs / sympathizers will need to start media companies, and / or become relentless producers of media that can reach a mass audience and at least occasionally pushes a more positive, realistic, and accurate message around MAPs and age-gap sex. Vice News made some sympathetic documentaries a while ago, and various streamers and influencers have made ‘heretical’ comments. Imagine that, but kept up for years…
People won’t bother, however, if they’re convinced that expressing themselves will destroy their sex life, social life, and economic prospects in one fell swoop. So, Beyond the Plus is doing a good thing by
Ultimately, from my outside perspective as a long-time researcher, you can’t expect to change the world without taking risks or getting pushback. The United States fought a civil war over the right to keep slaves! And it’s not like Batista just let Fidel Castro and his merry band of rebels take over; they had to fight for it and many died in the process…
I’m not saying that fighting for social acceptance, economic and institutional change relating to stigmatized sexualities and behaviors, will be that dramatic. You probably won’t get shot or killed, but you will likely get threatened, harassed, or shunned by what Ally Kotesu below called her “fake friends.” If you’re poor and isolated, that’s a lot harder to deal with. So, I hope to see groups like Beyond the Plus or B4U-ACT keep building those in-person connections and fostering community. It’s a necessary part of social change, and building some financial stability and media skills wouldn’t hurt your cause either! :p
Okay, rant over!!
Hmmm… How can I give 1,000 likes to your comment? Such a positive vibe! And excellent analysis.
I’m curious to see how the legal age gaps will evolve socially. It is not intuitive at all to celebrate with joy a relationship between a 16-yo and a 21-yo while condemning a relationship between a 16-yo and a 22-yo by sending the latter to jail for a horrible crime. Incredibly difficult to justify. Rather impossible.
My best bet is that relationships that approach the 5-year edge will be more and more socially rejected, to favour shorther gaps. Also, to sustain this system of oppression they will need to ostracize, as well, adult-adult relationships where there is a big age gap. And they will need to repress many other things! So those who think they are safe, they’d better think through it. When you see your neighbor’s beard being shaved, wet your own.
I once saw an instagramer who commented on a statistical report published by a dating app. She sex shamed adult men who have a preference for younger women.
Another example is the twink-daddy gay tribes. I think that this kind of, let’s say, fetish is losing social acceptance, since, after all, it is easy to argue that it promotes pedophilia.
Here’s the million $ question: How can you explain to your 16-yo child that going out with that 22-yo guy is something terrible, while his 50-yo neighbor can pay a 18-yo prostitute?
Cringeing COWARDS Charles & Camilla cheated on Diana then sacrificed her to fake-media Monarch MurDark’s predatory papperazzi.
Now the fake Monarch Charles bows to the REAL MONARCH MurDark for ratings & profit sacrificing War-Hero innocent Andy whose Falklands War distinguished service and medals are now ANGLO-STALINIST ERASED.
Plaques in the Falkland Islands bearing the name of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor (formerly Prince Andrew) have been removed due to his connection to Jeffrey Epstein. This action is part of a broader move to strip him of his royal titles and honours, with the removal of plaques representing a public erasure of his former association with the islands, where he served as a helicopter co-pilot during the 1982 Falklands War.
Other key Ally Kotestsu pieces to flesh out my lengthy comment below. (Sorry for the text bunching together, that happens sometimes when I leave comments here).
Life Being Doxxed
The Streisand Effect
Both these articles give some useful context to Kotetsu’s perspective in Something’s Gotta Change.
Humming in the background of all this is Katie Cruz, a name that many here will recognize. Katie was and probably still is prominent in online circles. Famous for running a ‘MAP Merch Shop’ and later (I think) being involved in ‘MAP Camp’, Katie was doxxed by an Anti activist influencer.
This probably turned her life upside down, and I can only hope that she has managed to form some lasting in-person connections and community to keep her grounded and feeling supported rather than isolated. The same drama that’s covered in the “Streisand” article was also covered earlier in a great piece by Brian Ribbon, titled The miserable little bully named ‘Sly Boy’.
I won’t be watching Sly Boy’s videos, and agree with Kotetsu that engaging this kind of content is bad for one’s mental health. It makes people more afraid and paranoid than they need to be, when in the IRL world with vetted people and real-life organizations, as it sounds like me and Kotetsu have both experienced in different ways (me with academia and B4U-ACT, for example), people are pretty chill. It’s the online bullshit that exacerbates the panic, ramps up the fear factor, and creates a false consensus that’s massively biased because positive perspectives around MAP issues will get you flack and banned off most major platforms.
We can see the gap between online virtue signalling and reality, as I gather that when Katie stood up for herself and made clear that she would defend herself if this Youtuber turned up at her property to harass, threaten, and potentially kill her, he freaked out and claimed that he was the one being threatened. Literal DARVO.
Be that as it may, Kotestsu’s post tells me that Katie has attracted upwards of 800,000 eyes through a recent Sly Boy video, his most popular video that has made his previously tiny channel blow up. From reading Katie’s own blog, I see that she’s developed multiple health issues and has “little left to live for.” It’s sometimes hard to convey depth of feeling in writing, so I can only really hope that she has a good support system in her IRL life, focuses on building friendships, connections, and a meaningful / enjoyable means of income; live long and prosper!!!
Fascinating perspectives on display in these links. And I agree: online can only go so far. It’s helpful and has its place, but in-person connections are what really supports you when the going gets tough…
There’s always more to learn, it seems. Reading some of Ally Kotetsu’s posts – the Founder and major face of Beyond the Plus and its real-life ‘Radqueer’ meetings – I stumbled on a comment about MAP organizing in the early 2010s.
The comment argues that “something vaguely resembling BeyondThePlus existed (or maybe still exists) in e.g. Prague, i.e. a MAP community that participated in pride parades from 2013-2019 or so or maybe even longer,” citing the pedofilie-info.cz website.
Following some links I see that in 2014, a small group went to a Pride parade, “accompanied by sociologist Martin Fafejta and a few other people,” with a larger group of 11 members / supporters attending Pride the next year and distributing over 800 leaflets.
This is a chapter of MAP organizing I didn’t know about, so that in-itself is interesting. But there’s also Martin Fafejta, who’s Wikipedia states has been an activist for various Left-wing causes and even ran for President of the Czech Republic! He is “primarily interested in gender and sexuality , the sociology of sexual deviations, but also in issues of sexual minorities and clinical research into pedophilia.”
In 2021, he joined the wave of ‘attraction does not equal action’ research, publishing Coming out of People with Pedophilic Orientation in the International journal of sexual health, the official journal of the World Association for Sexual Health. Through qualitative research with 16 participants of a self-help group, Fafejta argued that “Individuals who come out are better equipped mentally to cope with their pedophilia and coming out makes possible support from their social environment.”
Research like this would thus support Ally Kotestsu’s argument in their most recent piece, now a guest blog on MAP Union, that Something’s Gotta Change. The lack of real-life community is what’s holding MAPs back from making significant political headway. Ironically, I know people IRL who would vouch for the same point Kotestsu is arguing, and I suspect Tom O’Carroll would agree that “the best safety someone can have is someone else. Someone to take them in if they get kicked out, someone to give them food if they get fired and can’t afford it.” Certainly, being isolated and feeling like you’re living a lie would be a hard life for anyone, let alone a person with a significant attraction to children and/or early adolescents.
Kotetsu isn’t speaking as a lurker online, they’re speaking as someone who was doxxed. They’ve been through the trial by fire. All the pain and heartbreak, broken friendships and crying sessions at night, and they’ve turned it around to be a positive force in their life. They’ve forged a seemingly growing organization and community because of it. They’ve found friends, and even a wife!
I strongly recommend their thoughtful article. To quote my favorite bits at length:
Ally Kotestsu’s linked article is clearly a must-read. Prue wrote:
>There’s always more to learn, it seems.
Tell me about it!
Oops, you just did! 🙂 Cheers, Prue. Thanks for another fantastic heads-up. And, yes, I definitely agree on the important of IRL community. I would just add that coming out should not be ruled out through fear. It is well worth approaching rather than avoiding, but discretion is important. Don’t just dive in regardless of unseen rocks below the surface. Be aware of the conditions. Find the right spot. Test the water.
About the Prague and Czech Republic: The pedofilie-info.cz could be best compared to VirPed. Tom’s blog would be considered “pro-contact” and prohibited from being linked on the site. Scientific curiosity is not exactly welcomed in the community. That said, they managed to stay online for decades, their prominent members were interviewed in the mainstream media, and they certainly had and still have a positive impact on acceptance of MAPs in the country.
Czech Republic is actually not a bad place to live for MAPs. A good therapist will easily recommend you to spend more time around children, if you are up to it – and although illegal, you will definitely not spend a lifetime in a prison for drawings or similar. Let’s hope it will stay like that for a little while…
Czech Republic is a great place in general from what I’ve heard.
Also, to address the point made – it is great to be open about being MAP IRL. You might loose one friend or two, but relationships with those who remain will have much more meaning to you – they will become more honest and… mutual. You will be far less afraid of being doxxed – when people you care about already know, you have nothing to lose. Highly recommended!
How do people feel about the classic question “If you could be born again today, growing up now, would you?”
From my experience, most older people think the world was simpler in the past and wouldn’t want to be part of Gen Z or Gen Alpha…
Be born anywhere but Gay, Asian, Black, Poor, MAP, in the PHONEY Anglophone.
Post-Reformation History’s all time worst divisive, sadistic, psychopathic, genocidal, racists, thieves and LIARS. Still perversely posing as World best role-model – WTF?
Genocide league since the Romans, recently on FB: British/Anglo 130M dead. U.S./Anglo 65M dead. German 57M dead. Italian 51M dead. Belgian 15M dead. French 15m dead. Spain 13M dead. Portugese 10M dead. Japanese 4M dead. Dutch 3M dead.
Most people here would’ve heard about the 1998 Rind et al. controversy, but one of the most based, reasonable responses indicative of the pre-2010s era of social media explosion, was psychology professor Scott Lilienfeld’s When worlds collide (2002) response.
Scott challenged what he saw as pseudoscience throughout his life, essentially challenging science to ‘do better’. It was no different with CSA in 2002.
Looking him up since his untimely death from cancer in 2020, Scott was quoted as saying that most pseudosciences:
Very apt when considering how the abuse / victim industry legitimizes itself…
Post-WW2 modern medieval Anglo moral panics ‘Reds Under The Bed’, since then ‘Peds IN the fuckin beds’, now ‘Hamas hides under tents’, ‘Age-gaps gut lives’. ‘Kissing kills kids’.
45 years WAY back Anglo moral fake PANIC November 1980? “MICHELLE REMEMBERS” (true fantasies).
Quote, Anglo billionaire media mon$ta Murdark’s fave moron Homer Simpson, “Doh! I’ve learned nothing. Facts are useless! You could prove ANYTHING with facts!”
Paraphrase 1940s late great Anglo genius Orwell, “Mass ignorance is strength for psychotic totalitarian cultures.”
Michelle Remembers is a 1980 book co-written by Canadian psychiatrist Lawrence Pazder and his psychiatric patient (and eventual wife) Michelle Smith.[1] A best-seller, Michelle Remembers relied on the discredited practice of recovered-memory therapy to make sweeping, lurid claims about Satanic ritual abuse involving Smith, which contributed to the rise of the Satanic panic in the 1980s.[2][3] While the book presents its claims as fact, and was extensively marketed on that basis at the time, no evidence was provided; all investigations into the book failed to corroborate any of its claims, with investigators describing its content as being primarily based on elements of popular culture and fiction that were popular at the time when it was written.[4][5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Remembers
Anglo UK Dec 1992 modern superstitious madness exposed by Scots true journo Neal Ascherson, “Damn the children when the Devil must be found.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/damn-the-children-when-the-devil-must-be-found-1563398.html
“Eh thars a goodly crowd in here tonight. I thought mebbe you’d all be home fucking yer kids?”
The heroic, notoriously non-PC north cuntry Anglo, ‘Don’t give a fuck’ Roy ‘Chubby’ Brown onstage in Nottingham UK during the 1980-90s Anglo fake Satanic PANIC.
We need WAY more ‘Chubbies’ in today’s Anglo feeble fake media, with schoolyard ripe motto, “Whatever you take, take the fuckin’ PISS!” Suggested title for BiasedBeebCrap hyper edgy new Radio/TV show alongside new-cummer Jonathan Pie/Tom Walker?
Demanding UK minors’ schoolyard intro, from Swingin ’60s non-Anglo Rene Guyon Society, “SEX before 8 or it’s too late!”
Now THAT’S a-telling ’em, Anglo massed minors, Mr Pie, and co Heretics!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Chubby_Brown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Guyon_Society
The Right should celebrate the Online Safety Act’s success (UnHeard, November 1st, 2025).
The comments section is not siding with the author on this one. The OSA is widely unpopular, and perceived as authoritarian and ridiculous.
Study Finds Age Checks Fail to Stop Underage Access to Adult Sites (November 17, 2025).
List of sex acts banned in online pornography as UK criminalizes ‘dangerous’ but popular category (TechLad, Nov 2025).
[About the UK Online Safety Act (OSA). Slightly old news, but a very educational, shocking, and well written article.]
Jews have declared a war against me, and my site has disappeared. My translations from you, Tom, can get lost. Who knows where I can publish my texts?
Cyril, you say “Jews have declared a war against me” but it seems to me it’s the other way around. Your virulent antisemitism inevitably provokes a strong reaction. It’s not rocket science, just common sense. As you are a man of science, though, I should perhaps invoke Newton’s 3rd law of motion: for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
I am saddened to hear your website is down, and obviously I hope your Russian translations of my work will again find a home online on a Russian site. However, the possibility that my writing may have been associated with antisemitism on account of your views does not fill me with joy.
For the avoidance of misunderstandings, I should perhaps add that I deplore antisemitism, but I also abhor the grotesque brutality of Israel’s actions in Gaza – albeit, following the attack and hostage-taking by Hamas two years ago, this terrible revenge also brings Newton’s third law to mind. Sadly, though, the law is somewhat unreliable in the human context, as the reaction in this case was a hundred times more forceful than the action.
I disagree. I have never declared any race Gods-chosen, having the right to exterminate all other races. And I would never ban texts I don’t like.
Oh god. This is terrible, Tom. Invoking Newtonian laws of physics this way, and cherry picking ’em at that. Then to use same to bolster the notion of “disproportionality’ in war, verily as if one possessed somewhere a precise account of what the converse “proportionality” would ever look like, well, on this slippery slope i did not expect to find dear TO’C tobogganing…Newton’s law is not just “unreliable” in any human context, it is positively obscene when so applied. For its gross presupposition is that we can avoid, or at least sidestep the details and realities of any actual scene or succession-of-scenes, by appealing to our trusty old physical laws from the lab.
Thankyou for promptly for repelling Cyril’s “amisemitism” My learning-curve has shown me however that even use of that term may by now be contributing more to the problem than it solves. What we need to ask such persons is why does the very existence of Jews on Ærth constitute such a scandal for them?
As pædosexuals they/we ought to be ready, willing and able to do so!
Good criticism of my Newtonian conceit, Mr Turp! I am not going to defend it, nor am I going to be drawn into an off-topic discussion of Judaism, tempting though that is. Sorry to disappoint.
Ah but that’s a swerve. For ‘twould not be a discussion of “Judaism”, it would be a discussion of how the examinations of Joo-hatred & pado-hatred, respectively, might begin to facilitate one another, or at least reflect things back and forth to one another they did not expect to see.
In the field of anthropomorphics (grown out of generative anthropology).i’m working on this constantly..Re-member, ‘die Judenfrage‘ has always basically been this: why can’t/won’t the diaspora Jew in our midst assimilate? And that was the central question still at work in a wonderful book from 1974 called The Ordeal of Civility,
To assimilate is to largely surrender those claims, and even traits, that made you distinctive in the first place. (Irish Catholics had to do this a lot in the USA too!)
Everything is looking like the W E I R D world before us will never assimilate the pædo. Might we conspire to create a home for ourselves on the planet that we will defend to the dEaTh?
Even if we are only able to do that by means of internet mojo to create/sew the belief that we fucking well intend to?
Pleased as pie you dug my bagging your indefensible Newtonian conceit!
Another great comment! You’re on a roll here, Mr Turp! You wrote:
>Everything is looking like the W E I R D world before us will never assimilate the pædo. Might we conspire to create a home for ourselves on the planet that we will defend to the dEaTh?
A planet for MAPs also has to be a planet for kids. Kids can bond with “aliens” just like in ET. But as Spielberg’s movie also showed, there is no dodging prejudiced adult engagement. In the end there must be, if not assimilation, then some sort of reconciliation. Many have looked to the non-WEIRD word as a non-assimilative retreat but WEIRD’s rapacious cultural imperialism suggests that would leave us like the last tribes in the Amazon, where the word “dEaTh” carries more conviction than “defend”.
There was a radical strand of anti-assimilationism in the early days of Second Wave feminism. These were the “lesbian separatists” who advocated for women to live and love together, thereby overthrowing oppressive patriarchy in their own lives at a stroke, without having to wait for a wider conquest of “male chauvinism”, now cast as “toxicity”. That project didn’t catch on.
The mainstream gays, by contrast, who went gung ho for assimilation, adopting its rituals (gay marriage) and values (fidelity and equality, aka “respectable” quasi-monogamy and foreswearing jailbait) have done fantastically well, even managing to remain as distinctive as many of them could possibly wish: still loud and proud, still outrageously camp but without provoking the outrage (including physical attack) that would once have been meted upon them.
Your comparison with the Jewish situation is a fascinating one that deserves further thought. So is the Romany one. The gypsy case, I would argue, is the closer analogy because the traditional nomadic lifestyle of the gypsies is harder to assimilate without loss of identity and culture than the Jewish one. Admittedly, the Jews of the Bible were nomadic pastoralists originally, but it is a very long time since their ambitions of settlement were made manifest in the city of Jerusalem and the founding of a temple. If Jews are still described in a hostile way as “wandering” and “rootless”, that does not at all reflect the yearning to be heard from them for a safe home.
Note, BTW, how we are using a variety of very inexact analogies to explore our own existential angst as MAPs. No metaphor is exact. No comparison can escape distortion because every single thing is different from every other thing. Otherwise, they would not be things. But you are quite happy to make comparisons and so am I, because they get us thinking creatively and productively.
This is what I was attempting with my “Newtonian conceit”, which Cyril, with his science background, might have chosen to engage with. You rightly criticised it as misleadingly determinative, invoking science as authoritative in a context where its maxims do not work. But I think there was a grain of truth in my comparison. Humans do not obey the laws of physics but in some circumstances our behaviours are almost as predictable: if you shout abuse in someone’s face, you will almost always provoke an angry reaction, or at least a fight/flight response. Comparisons, like your Jewish one, may be very inexact but still worth contemplating.
In Newtonian mechanic, action and reaction are simultaneous. In society, reaction follows action, it is caused by it. So it is not the same.
>So it is not the same.
The relationship between cause, effect, and time is not a straightforward one if the philosophers are to be believed. These are very deep waters, in which I for one do not swim with confidence. However, it seems my reply a couple of days ago to Warbling J Turpitude (29 Nov., 12.51) on the inevitable inexactitude of all metaphors may have escaped your attention, Christian.
You can easily upload a PDF of your Russian translation of Tom’s book to Library Genesis. That at least makes it available and unlikely to be removed.
My Russian website is workin: pedo.cf
Video channel: https://fstube.net/a/pedo
Russian translations of your works have found a home on a Russian-language website.
Kirill E. Galaburda
https://pedo.cf/stati/108-genotsid-pedofilov-v-rossii
https://pedo.cf/knigi/73-pedofiliya-radikalnyj-vzglyad
https://pedo.cf/knigi/84-zapretnaya-tema-tabuzone
I appreciate your translations, Cyril, but please don’t make the same mistake you’re protesting. Don’t generalize people based on a single characteristic, whether religion, race, nationality, or sexuality. And This is exactly what the antis have always done and are doing now when they say that ALL MAPs are predators and rapists. Rise above these prejudices. Every social group has terrible people, but that doesn’t make the whole group terrible.
When she was 8 he was 40. Trump’s HOT blonde press secretary 32 years younger than hubby!
White House press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, 28, and husband Riccio, 60, welcomed their son, Nicholas Robert Riccio, nicknamed “Niko,” in July 2024. Six months later, the two wed days before President Donald Trump‘s second inauguration in January 2025.
In November 2025, the mother of one of Leavitt’s nephews was detained by United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement and removal proceedings began.[46][47]
https://people.com/who-is-nicholas-riccio-karoline-leavitt-husband-11699844
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoline_Leavitt
If it where up to me, I would make AMSC completely legal with only three exceptions
1.Forced/unwanted sexual contact(would be classfied as rape)
2.Purposeful insemination of a child under 15 or insemination by a child under 15.(to spare the world from pregnant 8 year olds or ten year olds getting wrapped up in baby daddy drama, most cases of “csa” dont involve penetration in the first place, and the minors that do get preggo are typically getting pregnant by other minors, so this is just a precautionary measure. It wouldnt be charged as “rape” or “molestation” as long as the child agreed to it and would be a lesser charge, but it would still be illegal to try to get your 9 year old gf pregnant for example. Penetration would still be allowed, but heavily restriced to prevent pelvic floor damage or pregnancy in very young kids. Abortion would be mandatory for kids under 13. Yes I am pro kids making their own descions on their lives and body expect for descions that are life or death or have a high chance of life or death(or permanent/severe injury). Sucking dick isnt life or death, which is why it shouldnt be restricted for kids outside force. Pregnancy is, which is why it would be banned. And the act that would lead to pregnancy(insemination/penis in vagina sex, espcially without a condom or birth control, would be heavily restricted and regulated. Even then, the punishment for breaking this law wouldnt be too strict, let alone draconian, as there are plenty of things kids do that are already life and death but fully legal(swimming, which can cause drowining, contact sports which cause tbi, horseback riding which causes permanent disabillity and death, kids are even allowed to go fucking skydiving, cars are the main killer of children, but the only real restriction against it is a booster seat, so even then, the penalty for breaking this law wouldnt be too harsh, its more to disaude the guys with a breeding kink running throughout the neighborhood trying to get as many 9 year old baby mamas as possible)
(between this law and the one below penetration would be not banned, but regulated and restricted).
3.Sexual acts that cause gross physical harm or have a high chance of gross physical harm would be illegal and be charged, not as rape, but most likely neglect or maybe battery depending on the act(not sexual battery, just battery, I want to minimize on the laws the specialize in sex, sex crimes shouldnt be treated worse than other crimes, it shouldnt even be treated differently except for special circumstances related to sex). Like how if you let a child participate in a nonsexual activity today and they suffer a gross injury the adult would most likely get charged, same thing. By gross physical injury I mean anything hopsital worthy, not something like your loli gf stubbing her toe or nibbling on your underaged boyfrinds ear and accidently nicking him. I mean ACTUAL severe injury. For example, trying to penetrate a baby or toddler with your penis would be illegal based on this law, because it would actually cause harm. Just playing with the kids genitals would be legal. Shoving a rock up a 12 year olds ass would get you arrested, even if the child agreed, but putting your finger in there would not. Ramming your genitals down a child’s throat and bruising their throat and choking them would be illegal, but just having them suck on you, as long as they agreed, would be fully legal. Shitting on a kids face would be illegal, letting a kid shit on your face would be legal. Basically, anything that would cause, or has a high chance of causing serious harm to the child would be illegal. Asinine sex acts would not. And its annoying and disturbing that the laws arent already built this way. Things should only be illegal if they cause actual harm or have a high risk of actual harm. And no, a kid getting his dick sucked and later on regreting it because society tells him his childhood is ruined or something is not “actual harm” that social hysteria. Regret should not and should never be what is classified as rape, but unfortunatly, the majority of cases of “csa” are just regret sex. (Kids agrees to sex, enjoys sex, gets discovered or finds out that society hates kiddie sex and thinks its evil, regrets sex because of internailized societal values. Thats not rape, that just regret due to breaking taboo social norms.)
the sex offender regristry would be ABOLISHED and the prison sentence for breaking these laws would be cut DRASTICALLY. Sex crimes would be treated pretty much identical to physical battery or assualt, and would be based on ACTUAL harm or threats of harm, not “concepts” of harm like they are today.
alot of antis think that being pro C means that you would support or try to make legal newborn BDSM orgies or something, but pedos, even pro C pedos, are surprise suprise, normal and reasonable people who dont want children to suffer from actual injury(AND REGRETTING A PREVIOUS CHOICE IS NOT ACTUAL INJURY, ITS NOT EVEN INJURY, ITS A PART OF BEING HUMAN).
My pov is, blowjobs are not deep enough or dangerous enough or complex enough to justify even social shame, let one all the other punsihments and restrictions and harrasment and torture pedos face if they dare to suck a dick thats a little too small. Sex is sex. Not an eternal soul bond or complicated deadly equation. Its a fun and pleaurable activity two or more people do to make the good feelings in their downstairs places happen. Its not special, its not evil, its not gross, its not mature, its not complex. It just. Sex.
side note. Many anti cs will aim that kids cant “consent” to sex because they arent “fully informed” but what definition are they using for fully informed? Do they mean “rubbing this place feels good, you can get sick if you dont wear protection, and boys can get girls pregnant if they stick this place into a vagina if they dont wear protection”, because honestly thats all the info you really need for sex. Or are they talking about, knowing the ins and outs of gametes and fertillity windows and the different types of tissue that make up different organs and all the ducts and glands and shit? Because if thats what antis mean by “informed consent”, then I cant consent, despite being a grown ass adult, and most adults cant and dont even consent. And the only adults who can truly consent are ones that have taken a full anatomy and physiology course. If thats the requirement for “informed consent”, and the make or break between sex and rape, then pretty much all sex is by default rape except for educated and privilleged college students/graduates who have taken an anatomy and physiology course. Most adults havent even gotten fucking sex ed?! And of course, the information that would be neccesary for minors to consent would be banned from them. Because minors having sex without information is rape/molestation, and minors recieving the information to have sex is grooming and pedophillia. I swear to fucking god.
[MODERATOR: Good stuff, DatBoi, but as requested following your previous post please keep it short. You may not have seen that mod note yet, so I’ll let this one through.]
And let’s ask the antis whether children are fully informed and aware of the seriousness and danger of possible injuries from these activities ? No. Instead, the mentor/instructor openly takes responsibility for risks and safety.
Did anyone ever require informed consent from boys before circumcision ? Or before skydiving, videos of which are on YouTube ? No. Nobody cares.
With all this said, what is dangerous about masturbation and sucking and how is this more dangerous than the injuries listed above ? Is it fatal ? No. Can it lead to disability and make life incomplete ? No. Minor just need to know how to protect himself from infections and pregnancy. That’s all. A a decent and loving person might also openly take responsibility for the safety of a young friend and communicate with his parents, allowing them to evaluate his sincerity and reasonableness.
From a very early age, children know that they shouldn’t stick their fingers into electrical sockets, cross the road on a red light, etc. They are informed. What’s stopping people from also include knowledge about sexual hygiene and contraception ? If a child starts walking and talking late, he is considered developmentally retarded. However, when a girl becomes physiologically capable of getting pregnant at 11 years old, no one informs her, so that she be aware about the need for contraception. In other words, from the onset of puberty, minors are intentionally raised to be sexually retarded and this is presented as the norm.
Children antis are so disturbing and sad
I was watching a video “People hate kids”(and its really lame). Which is a video about, ypu guessed it, people hating kids and how lame it was. And obviously, that would draw alot of minors into the comments. But inteestingly enough, alot of the comments from kids were less about adults discriminating against youth, but about “innapropriate” content online and how they wanted it to be censored.
And of course, by “innapropriate” content they only mean sexual content, because they would cry and throw up if you dared to ban them from playing gta or FNAF, games about murder, robbery, drugs, and other things the average conservative mother would probably get worked up if she saw. And its just depressing, and so strange, because why are these children pretending like they are asexual? I was a child, so was every other adult, and as much as antis like to gaslight, everyone was sexual in their childhood, even before puberty. We all made sex jokes, we all flirted with everyone and everything, we all searched up porn and “porn”. We all masturbated, we “compared” ourselves, we all wanted to try out sex or had sex. The minute the adults left the room it was sin city. If anything, I was probably more sexual and horny in middle school than I am now. And so was every other kid my age. So unless the entirety of my childhood was all a giant hallucination implanted in my brain by big pedo, and all the anecdotal and scientiffic evidence proving that children are naturally sexual are also all fake, children are sexual, end of story. I mean duh, sexuality is literally an intrinsic part of being human, from birth(and even before birth with masturbating fetuses) till death. It makes no sense that such an important part of humanity would only spawn in on midnight of your 18th birthday, or even stupider, cause “tRaUmA” even a day before your 18th birthday, not to mention, easily proven wrong by all the sex positive cultures that have previously existed and still exist today.
its just frustrating, how the blame and shame gets misdirected to an easy target, even by children themselves. I mean it makes sense, children are the main targets of the hysteria, so why wouldnt they be anti sex hating snobs as well, it is all they have been indoctrinated into their entire lives, and now they are being increasingly banned from countering that shitty narrative with increasing “child safety” laws designed to censor and “sanitize” not only the internet, but real life. But seriously, its fucking frustrating, how instead of blaming all the hysterical adults who think that you shouldnt be allowed to enjoy something just because it is sExUaLiZeD or has SeXuALiZAtIoN, and is therefore “innapropriate”, they blame the “groomers” and “pedos”, which nowadays, just means any adult who has a sex drive and chooses to express it within a 24,000 mile radius. Hell, any adult who isnt there parent period, is assumed pedo/groomer until proven otherwise, and even then! All this bitching and whining about how seeing a male penis makes their space “innapropriate” so now they have to leave and arent allowed to enjoy the content because its been “ruined”, but no question of why it has to be considered “ruined” in the first place? Why they cant just enjoy it, or if they dont enjoy it, just block and move on? Who is telling them that sexuality, a normal intrinsic part of life is “innapropriate” for them in the first place, and to such a high degree that they have to pack up and leave their favorite fandoms? Why are children and genitalia supposed to be incompatible? Children HAVE genitalia? Can they not “consent” to their own fucking bodies? Why are children and sex incompatible, where do antis think children came from?? Storks?? Can children not consent to finding out about their own creation???(and the creation of all other 8 billion people on earth)
Theres two main things I find disturbing about this.
1.Children are being shamed by antis around their sexuality, and internalizing that shame, and instead of questining the authority figures that are telling them it “ruins” their lives or “destroys” their childhood, they just blindly accept it. Gone are the days of children seeing sexual content and just being like “ohh thats hot, im gonna look at it some more when moms not around and rub my peepee till it gets that funny feeling” or “ohh thats kind of gross, ill just block this person and move on with my life”. Now they scream hysterically about how theyve been “groomed”. “My pussy is wet after watching this porn because ive been groomed!” “This hentai groomed me into having a throbbing boner!” They are no longer allowed to accept their sexuality for what it is, sexuality, now they are forced to rewrite it throigh the lense of the grooming/pedo narritive, even in the complete absence of pedos. Their no longer allowed to accept that they have a sexuality, natural, innate, and inborn, even the ones going through or finished with puberty, they have to pretend that theyve been “groomed” into getting boners or liking feet or wanting to try out an orgy. So they are essentially, doing all the work of the adult antis for them and pathologizing and demonizing their own innate biological mechanisms, which as we have seen with every conservative christian ever, doesnt work out well for anyone, let alone themselves.
2.The children are calling for their own censorship. They want mommy and daddy and big brother goverment to surveil them everywhere, at all times. They dont want freedom, they dont want independence, they dont want to question authority figures, they WANT to be put on a leash and bossed around. Its very scary to imagine how these kids will be once they are old enough to vote if this is how they act as children. They refuse to question the authority figures that call for this censorship in the first place, they not only fully agree with the authority figures, but do the job for them, attempting to censor not only themslves but others who are unfortunate to be spotted by them(and they fail miserably, because their hypocrsy is impossible to hide, as the only censor things that personally distate them. For example, they will want one show banned because it “sexualizes minors” but be huge fans of another show that does the exact same thing because the characters are hot and the thirst trap edits on tiktok are too good to be censored). And human sexuality has become such a boogey man in modern times, towards not only children but the general public, that it is now a thought terminating trump card to win any argument. Instead of saying “I dont want you there because I hate snotty nosed brats”, which would surely get you an earful from not only the kid and other people within earshot. You say “I dont want you there because there will be sexualization and you need protection.” And no one, not even the kid, will dare question it lest they get called a pedo. And unfortunatly the kids arent getting the memo(that theres no problem with seeing a pair of tits in the first place) and will go “well dont sexualize it so I can go”(instead of asking why sexuality makes it so they shouldnt be allowed in the first place?) and the adults clap back “why do children try to invade adult spaces”(why should sexuality, a normal part of childhood and humanity in general, make a space “adult” in nature?).
I hate hate HATE this “kids space” “adult space” nonsense that was going on in the comments. There should be no “kids spaces” or “adults spaces” there should just be “spaces” for people to hang out. All this bitching and whining from both minors and adults about kids invading and ruining “adult spaces” and adults invading and ruining “kids spaces”. Yet not a single person questining why “kids” and “adults” spaces are not inly neccessary, but so important in the first place. Espcially since we already know that kids love “adult” things and adults love “kid” things. Probably because theres no such thing as a “kid thing” or an “adult thing” and they are all just things that get arbritrarilly assigned to one age group or the other. Why should kids be forced into doing things they dont want to do or watch just because its “for kids”. Why do adults have to be forced to do and watch things they dont want to watch just because its “for adults”. And why should both groups be banned from even mentioning the other group (unless its to complain about how evil and predatory they are). Why cant we just do the activities we find enjoyable and watch the content we find entertaining instead of obsessing over shitty labels?
and the kids calling for cesnorship from the grownups? They dont even mean that shit. Because the minute their mommy and daddy put a parental lock on “how do I jailbreak my parents parental lock”. The minute big brother government places bans and restrictions on porn “why wont the goverment just let us goon?”. So even the kids dont actually give a fuck about kids being sExuAlIzeD or GrOoMeD and are doing their own kiddy version of virtue signaling. I hate this sex panic so bad. It has made entire generations(millenials, gen z, and now sadly, gen alpha) hate their own bodies and natural biological mechanisms and prefrences. Instead of just liking what they like and ignoring what they dont, they hysterically piss and throwup at the mere mention of human sexuality and call any and all mentions of it “unncessary sexualization” or “over sexualization” or “grooming”. And since they are innately sexual themselves, they are creating a giant cognitive dissonence about there own existance, which is causing problems for EVERYONE. The only good thing about this puritan hatred of sex is that the birth rates are going down. Good riddance. Too many damn people.
sidenote:I was a minor throughout the 2010s. I was also a MLP fan and had unrestricted internet access. The minors today that claim they hate sex/violence, even in cartoon form, are lying little shits. Yeah, I said that, LYING LITTLE SHITS. I know from personal expiernece that they are fucking lying because I was a minor with unrestricted access in a “kids spaces” that was “invaded” by adults. We fucking loved the “adult” content. We didnt care that it was “innapropriate”, we ate it up. We loved laughing at and showing our friends cringey fetish art. We loved making fan art and fan theories over gorey mlp creepypastas. We loved “adult” fan parodies like pony.mov or friendship is witchcraft. The porn was funny and the violence was carthatic and entertaining in a way you can only understand if youve been an edgy middleschooler(so everyone on earth). We understood the difference between cartoon ponies and real life, so we werent out there baking people into cupcakes like how the antis think we wouldve reacted.(“Minors need to be banned from adult content because they cant tell the differnece between fiction and reality” no karen, we arent all psychotic, just because you had early onset schizophrenia doesnt mean that every kid cant tell the differnece between magical technicolor ponies and real humans in real life). And now we have minors that think they are in the minority for being fucking normal? “I saw porn and I wasnt traumatized? Whats wrong with me” absoluletly fucking nothing. Its not normal to claim to be “traumatized” after seeing a pair of tits or a set of human genitals. If thats all it takes to “traumatize” a child, then every breastfeed baby or child who has been born with genitals(all of them except for rare birth defects) is “traumatized”. And if we are going to water down the word trauma to where it means asinine bullshit like this, not only is there nothing wrong with trauma, but I am PRO trauma(the anti definition that means literally everything even remotely sexual).
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>their own kiddy version of virtue signaling.
Yes, it’s definitely a thing.
Ive seen it with my own eyes, and unfortunately, did some of it myself during my late teens.(a huge part of it was trying to distance myself from my own pedoness and show everyone what a “good person” I was)
it is 100% virtue signaling. These kids are never consistant and pick and choose when they feel like something should be censored. If they like it its perfectly fine, if they think the artstyle is ugly or dont like the plot, all of a sudden its “problamatic” and “romantizes/objectifies/sexualizes/normalizes” and the author needs to be burned at the stake and all the fans need at least 5 decades in prison. Unless they watch more of it and become fans, then it is suddenly no longer problamatic and completely acceptable and “helps me cope with my trauma”.
What is this “trauma” you ask? Not seeing enough catgirl anime titties. Im being so deadass. Theyll probably say something like “I was groomed into enjoying problamatic fiction when I was 13, and now I read and write catgirl loli maid hentai despite the sexualization and romantization to cope and heal from my trauma” aka “I first discovered my fetish for catgirl anime titties when I was younger and now I love catgirls.” But of course they cant out right say that, because everything needs to be fed through a “grooming” and “trauma” lense. You no longer “discovered” or were “introduced” into something, you were “groomed” into it. Its not jacking off, its “healing and coping”. Its not a fetish, its “trauma”. Its just Orwellian newspeak, designed to fit the modern day pathologization of youth sexuality(and sexuality in general). They dont know what they want. They complain about “sexualization” yet purposefully seek out porn online and make thirst traps. They complain about pedos, yet talk about how much they love older men and how they want a “raw and older” boyfriend whos “beekeeping age” to be their “daddy” and flirt with their teachers. They complain about a lack of censorship, yet complain when they get censored because its “infantlizing”. They want to have agency but they also want to be victims. They want to be free but also want their collars and leashes to be tightned and shortned. They want sex, but are taught to hate it and be afraid of it, and thus hate and be afarid of themselves. Theres such a huge divide between their natural sexual urges and the bs “trauma” narritive theyve been forcefed about there natural sexual urges since infancy, it must be genuinely painful, and its getting worse and worse each decade.
(Hope this rant wasnt too long)
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Sorry. Not manic. I just get lost in the sauce and dont realize how much I type. Im not used to shorter commenting formats. Next comments will be shorter I swear
>Im not used to shorter commenting formats.
Interesting. I was under the impression most social media forums tend to feature mainly short comments. Twitter famously used to have a 140-character max. What is it at X now? 240? Something like that? Still not much. But of course you can link to video and all sorts.
A 50 yo nudist non-swimmer saved from drowning by a 5 yo nudist good-swimmer with lifeline close holding the adult-victim above water. Large age-gap BENIGN MINOR-ADULT NUDES in close contact.
Recalls nudist Bold MAP’s 1980s nudist MAP tall pal pestered by a nudist HOT Loli, 9, in the BIG pool clamped to the tall MAP carrying her safely to and from the deep end. But couldn’t then get out because the chest-humping HOT Loli wouldn’t let go, and the tall MAP had a BIG HARD ON!
Presley, Beatles, Stones et al, were constantly pestered for illegal fun sex by GROOMING gangs of sexually aMused AAMs young girls. And, GROOMING gangs of sexually aMused AAM young girls pestered and plaster-casted ADULT Pop-Rock cocks for posterity. Many fans now grinning grannies fondly recall their illegal fun SEX with adult stars. “It’s only Rockin’ SEX but we all like it.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEUPOug4rYc
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Got into the weeds and ended up making pages for Daniel Cohn-Bendit (fairly long, based on Wikipedia), and influential Chilean LGBT activist Rolando Jiménez.
On the latter who is probably less well-known, Reduxx has penned two articles about him. Both articles are spun from the ambiguous fact that Jiménez voted for NAMBLA to remain a member of ILGA back in 1995, but when you get down to the details, there’s nothing more to it than that.
If anyone who can speak Spanish wants to do some digging and find any actual evidence of Rolando Jiménez expressing support for MAPs and/or age gap sex, in his past writings for example, please post in the comments and we can add it.
Despite the title hinting at continued infantilization, I would like to ask the opposite questions. Maybe the brain of a 10+ person isn’t much different from the brain of a 20+ person ? Maybe it’s all about experience, which is being artificially delayed for some reason ?Maybe all these so-called “protective” measures do not actually protect, but rather isolate, encourage helplessness and deprive of autonomy ? Maybe we should stop delaying youth sexuality ? Maybe it’s completely natural to be interested in sexual things before 18 ? Maybe “early” pregnancy occurs not only because of violence, but because of the lack of easy access to condoms, which, if found, have to be hidden in a secluded place that is not constantly accessible ? Maybe we should stop being afraid and accept youth sexuality and engage in timely sex education ? Maybe it would be easier to find and punish a blackmailer or rapist if youth sexuality ceased to be a secret and taboo ?
It’s obvious then that we have to raise the age of consent at 32…
It’s science. Irrefutable, right?
I gather the same study says the brain starts its stage of terminal decline at 83. It is very useful to know this. As I am now 80, it gives me just enough time to put my affairs in order without too much rush and arrange to be euthanised at age 82, before I inevitably go ga-ga!
Actually, I hope we’ll see a few critiques of this paper in the more thoughtful news media by this coming weekend. I subscribe to Science, which arrives weekly online on Fridays. They will probably run something.
My guess is that the study’s methodology will be considered reasonably robust but that not too much should be inferred from the numbers in public policy terms. However, we may be sure the data will be used by others in the media and political landscape to further infantilise young people.
Your witty sense of humor is an indicator of excellent mental health. You know this is gold, right?
There’s the data, but then there is also ample room for misinterpretations, subjective or biased interpretations, miscommunication of results, conclusions based on unstated assumptions… And then others have to rush behind to critique and try to steer public opinion to a more sensible view of those studies. Tireeeeesome. It’s exhausting having to constantly go around picking up the messes that others keep leaving everywhere.
>Your witty sense of humor is an indicator of excellent mental health.
Cool! I hope you’re right, Marco! I am trying not to draw too strong a conclusion from the fact that Donald Trump at 79 seems mentally sharp (despite his towering ignorance and uncouthness) in press conferences, etc., but Joe Biden at 83 is famously past his best. Interesting, but N = 2 is hardly convincing!
I see the Cambridge brain study (N = about 40,000) has already attracted massive media coverage. Apart from factual news reports presumably based on a press release from the research team, there have already been humorous responses by regular columnists speculating on the implications, based on their own lives and family experiences. These can be quite amusing and interesting but it would be a mistake to take them seriously as informed comment on the study itself.
Or it can be perceived as the ability of adolescent person 10+ years old to have romantic and sexual relation with adolescent person 20+ years old. After all, they are in the same category actually 🙂
In the past, I already left a comment with a link to an article about the unique case of a man whose 90% of his brain turned into liquid and he lived a normal, full life and did not suspect it. Therefore, any conclusions based on brain tomography may be extremely questionable.
From what the article is actually saying, the phases “childhood, adolescence and adulthood” are actually “formative, peak and early decline”.
CRIMINAL minor CONSENTS to murder adult – VICTIM minor then CONSENTS to sex with dead adult?
It truly is the twilight zone
Interesting post by Michael Tracey. Not many journalists dare to seek the truth and ask uncomfortable questions as he is doing. In this article, he boldly speaks about the research on how human memory can degrade over time (especially with some mental conditions), the huge business around the Epstein “survivors” thing, the absolute lack of transparency in reporting what happened, and how these “victims” went many years on without trauma until someone told them they had to “heal” something. Who caused the trauma?
Are the Epstein Survivors creating false memories?
Hysteria, Iatrogeny, Nocebo.
People naturally tend to seek out all sorts of strange explanations for what they don’t understand. At first, mythical and religious explanations prevailed, now the explanations have moved into the quasi-scientific realm. But people are people, they can justify their delusions with low-quality and biased science, because there are the same people with prejudices there. And things get even worse when false beliefs become institutionalized by professional services. Everyone lives, grows, studies, works surrounded by these false beliefs and they themselves begin to reproduce and support these delusions. As a result, therapists who are supposed to help people understand the event correctly end up misguiding people, victimizing people who were not victims. Some people may be subject to negative self-hypnosis (nocebo), a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, For others, it is an opportunity for blackmail and reprisals. A victim industry, fueled by politicians and journalists.
He is awesome. Amazing video of him on Youtube holding his own in a 4 vs 1 debate, where he’s the lone voice of sanity, reason and evidence, showing up these cringey mouthpieces who speak so confidently and yet when challenged, appear to know so little.
Flood the media space with people like him and we have a shot of a positive culture change in the coming decade.
Députés vs. Shein: “protect workers, public health and the planet”
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Minors (90% ANGLO) CONSENT to commit murder – can’t CONSENT to share sex pleasure??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_killers
https://news.sky.com/story/the-children-who-kill-are-they-getting-younger-13221279
Girl accused of murder ‘stabbed victim 143 times’
BBC https://www.bbc.com › news › articles
5 days ago — The trial of the 13–year–old follows the death of Marta Bednarcyzk in Wellingborough in March.
Woman named as 13-year-old bailed in murder probe
Yahoo News Canada
https://ca.news.yahoo.com › woman-named-13-old-bail…
3 hours ago — Sarah Forrester, 55, died following an incident at a house in Baydon Close, Moredon, Swindon, on Friday evening.
Police issue update on girl, 13, arrested on suspicion of …
Manchester Evening News
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk › uk-news
5 hours ago — Police have issued an update on a 13–year-old girl arrested on suspicion of murder following the death of a woman, confirming she has been …
13-year-old girl sentenced to maximum imprisonment for …
A 13-year-old girl was sentenced to the maximum amount of imprisonment under DC law in connection with the murder of Reggie Brown.
Girl, 13, appears in court charged with murder
12 Mar 2025 — A 13–year–old girl has appeared at Northampton Crown today (Wednesday, March 12) in connection with the death of a woman in Wellingborough.
Girl, 13, arrested for murder after woman found dead
CNN
https://edition.cnn.com › 2023/03/24 › aiden-fucci-sent…
24 Mar 2023 — A judge sentenced Aiden Fucci – the Florida teenager convicted of first-degree murder for stabbing a 13–year–old over 100 times in 2021 – to …
13-year-old girl charged with murder of woman in …
Sky News
https://news.sky.com › story › 13-year-old-girl-charged…
11 Mar 2025 — The child, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is also charged with arson with an attempt to endanger life.
Girl, 13, charged with murder and arson after body found in …
The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com › uk-news › mar › girl-1…
12 Mar 2025 — The teenager, who appeared in the dock holding a teddy bear, was remanded in custody at Northampton magistrates court on Wednesday, after being .
An opinion piece by a Doctor whose “abusive partner” left her for sex workers, in which she states there is no meaningful difference between a 5 and an 17-year-old with respect to sexual abuse. There must be authors with credentials willing to rebut this.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/118622
Credentials? Half a brain cell is all you need which she clearly doesnt possess ..
This article about the Megyn Kelly / Epstein drama is so wild and so deeply entrenched in American cultural discourse, that it’s almost painful how wrong and dangerous it is. And no, a clinician like this lady, or someone who evidently feels secure enough in their academic job to risk pushback for debating these issues (e.g. the psychologist Michal B. First) might rebut this, but it’s unlikely. Many academic jobs are very precarious in the US and UK at present, so a credentialed response is unlikely unless a big deal was made about the piece or a pressing need is felt. Elizabeth Letourneau or Michael Seto are credentialed enough, forthright enough, and probably secure enough to pen a response, but why would they? Unless they’re replying to critics, what’s the point? Especially since the water is muddied here by Jeffrey Epstein, meaning that any response could lead to the author being perceived as an “Epstein defender,” seeking to “normalize pedophilia” and “abusers,” etc.
Anyway, there’s a comments section for those willing to make an account, but for now let’s all read some of this bullshit so we can have a good laugh.
Jeffrey Epstein’s Crimes: Child Sexual Abuse Isn’t a ‘Type’— Playing semantics over what constitutes a pedophile serves no clinical purposeby Chloe Nazra Lee, MD, MPH
November 20, 2025
“The physical appearance of the child is not a turn on…”
Every MAP knows this is bullshit.
The staggering thing is that this bogus, baseless claim comes from someone working in the mental health field as a “psychiatry resident”. Such a person, as AI has confirmed for me, is a doctor who is qualified to diagnose and treat mental health conditions while undergoing training to become a fully-fledged psychiatrist.
So, you’d think they would have a pretty good idea of what they’re talking about. Apparently not.
Dr Chloe Lee’s supervisor should advise her to read the relevant literature, including Michael Seto’s renowned output on paedophilia as a sexual orientation, or “pedophilia” to use the non-UK spelling in his publications.
And until she demonstrates a thorough understanding of this research-based work and has developed the empathy that its findings show are justified and necessary, she should not be allowed to practise therapy with MAP patients or to qualify as a psychiatrist.
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So if she was raped by a 15 year old then they dont understand what they are doing and will let them off,right? Oh i do wish i could put this to her but the consequences wont be good… Anyone brave enough?
Let me answer to this by mixing my guest post with that article… Look at this, it’s fantastic.
If truly a matter of sexual preference, she [the author of that bs article] could be dating the first person she bumps into in the street. Or, even better, if sex is optional, she and everybody could restrain from non-procreative sex altogether to prevent sexual abuse.
Oppressors specifically target minors because they’re vulnerable. The physical appearance of the child is a turn-on; they feel pleasure by treating them as sex-less innocent cute cult objects.
Oppression is not about sexual preferences, but power dynamics. Oppressors can’t live with the idea of a world where the individual will is respected.
In its definition of CSO, we define “child” as “person less than 18.” Developmentally, a child does feel the consequences of repression, and the aggression to one’s dignity that it represents, shuch as being forbidden to give a kiss.
I do not dispute that there is a difference between a 5-year-old and a 15-year-old. I dispute that the difference matters when it comes to sexual repression.
The costs of CSO are dire. Survivors are at disproportionate risk of multiple health consequences: sexually transmitted infections, high utilization of healthcare, and many others to be potentially discovered, since research is disproportionately unbalanced towards investigating abuse survivors rather than repression survivors.
From my work with CSO survivors, I’ll say this: a child repressed at the age of 15 is no less affected than a child repressed at the age of 6. The distinction is meaningless.
I’m not going to comment on her post, but if anyone wants, feel free to copy-paste my comment
One more addition. In the under-title, I read:
Maybe it serves no clinical purpose (it actually does since the APA uses this category to define mental disorders). But in any case, it has enourmous social implications that the hysterics exploit extensively. Socially, it is not at all the same to call someone an abuser than to call someone a pedophile.
She is writing about sexual violence and abuse. If we lived in a world where consensual loving moments involving an adult and a child are not called “abuse”, “violence” and “rape”, I’d mostly agree with her.
They are correct. There is no meaningful differnece between “sexual abuse” of a 5 year old vs a 17 year old because its not “abuse” in the first place. A 17 year old will be “traumatized” getting his dick touched just like a 5 year old would, as in, they wont be traumatized at all, because theres nothing “traumatizing” or “abusive” about an orgasm. So this doctor is technically correct
I’m not sure how common the word “Heretic” is in English, but there’s a brand-new open-source software by that name that makes decensoring AI models easy. It’s trending hard, with thousands of stars on GitHub and over 100 abliterated AI models published in less than a week.
I do wonder how many users are pedophiles… I mean, is there any other reason someone would need to decensor an AI model? 🙂
PornHub detects MAPs.Presumption of guilt.1/3 of wives raped?If one needs to prove that sex wasn’t rape no wonder that all normal wives and girlfriends are “raped”: no husband/boyfriend asks for formal consent. And asking a woman whether she consents or not is also forbidden (as a form of sexual harassment).
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The crazy moral panic about age gap in love relations has now extended to the television series “Little House on the Prairie” that delighted families 50 years ago. In the famous scene filmed in 1979 where Laura and Almanzo share their first kiss, Melissa Gilbert was aged 15 while Dean Butler was 23 years old! Now old Melissa Gilbert has been caught in the panic, saying “I was a child” and “now, at this age, at this time, I am actually nauseated”. Some people also mention the kiss between Alison Arngrim (15) and Bob Marsic (22).
But dear melissa,if a 15 year old was to attack you or one of your family you would then change your mind and charge them as an adult yes you hypocritical scum
Also if she nauseated she probably a lesbian. Wonder how that 11 yr old that kissed clint eastwood in the beguiled feels now.. that’s a far bigger age gap…
Plus, MAP Clint kissed AAM Juliette Lewis, 7.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_igvFWSrIrk
Cool! Great clip in YT link from Ellen DeGeneres show in 2009. Impossible to broadcast a sequence like that now, alas.
[Great comment on Michael Tracey’s substack…]
>What stands out is how selectively the outrage machine assigns moral significance. Take Elvis. Two high-profile films — “Elvis” (2022) and “Priscilla” (2023) — revisited his life in detail, including a relationship that began when Priscilla was 14, and there was no meaningful backlash. Modern norms should have turned that into a cultural scandal. Instead, it barely registers.
Within a year of each other in ’58-’59 the Anglo fake media trashed MAP Killa Lee Lewis, 22, & AAM Myra, 13, in Summer ’58 ignored in post-Puritan non-Anglo modern EU. While MAP Elvis, 24, & AAM Priscilla, 14, in Autumn ’59 were carefully guarded from the fake Puritan Anglos while ignored by post-Puritan modern Deutschland/modern EU. Quote Lewis in U.S. Variety’ June ’58, my brackets, “The (Anglo) press will start a scandal just to sell papers.”
No surprise not now on YT, Priscilla in 2010 was interviewed by supposedly ‘edgy’ UK gingernut Chris Evans with March 1960 olde English newsreel, paraphrased, “King of Rock n Roll Elvis Presley leaves his 2 years Army service at Frankfurt airport waived farewell by his 16 year old girlfriend Priscilla.” Proud Cilla, 2010, jumped in, “Set that right, I was FOURTEEN not sixteen!” Edgy Anglo Evans nearly edged off his sofa. So far so boring once more…..
Yes, great comment! Epstein is like a gold mine. Highly exploitable. Highly depredable.
The Real Target of Pedophile Hysteria Is Age Gap Relationships, by Richard Hanania (Nov 20, 2025.
Need to be/go first with everybody’s favourite Ahab in DC here..The good Richard had come to feel like American kin to me somehow.
https://open.substack.com/pub/richardhanania/p/the-real-target-of-pedophile-hysteria?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=3pkhw
Great stuff. I have posted this link to Sexnet. I think the article will be appreciated there.
I’ve just published my manifesto. It collects many of the thoughts expressed throughout my various essays into a single document, with links to further reading throughout.
https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/The_Manifesto_of_the_Unapologetic_MAP
I’ve also been busy writing articles for my personal site. I stopped posting links here each time because I felt it would get a bit spammy as my posting frequency increased. But at this point, there are several new articles to read.
https://www.brianribbon.com
Just wondering if anyone here would have any advice on how discreetly to get rid of a sex doll I don’t use anymore?
[MODERATOR: No responses, please, along the lines of “How much do you want for it?” This is not e-Bay.]
“How much do you want for it?”
Okay, seriously now. I’d just cut it into small indistinguishable pieces and throw it into regular bins over time? It is a silicone toy, after all… but I understand it might feel weird doing it.
I hope you are not in any trouble.
ok thanx Dave.
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Rethink consent? Alanis morrissette sure did. Had sex at 15 and was adamant she had consented. Until the crazies changed her mind… (Feel free to research this as im pretty sure i read it.but i dont want to look myself or ill get angry)
hi guys im still alive been moving house so stressed to limit, didnt want any adding obviously. ill make a statement about prince andrew, why is he being vilified for associating with epstein while prince charles welcomed the monster trump and gave him a lavish welcome??
Welcum back.
Thanks. Now they are inviting king if saudi? People are nothing but hypocrites. Do the crime do the time? So they are saying uf you are gay in saudi go to jail? Seriously…
Recent discussion of Megyn Kelly and her response to the Epstein controversy (see similar in these comments: Alan Dershowitz, Peter Schiff) has tried to pin her as a defender of “diet pedophilia”.
The hypothesis is that she is attempting to reduce the blow for when the “files” land.
I have addressed the fallout from her comments here.
british presenter john humphreys also basically said he wasnt a pedophile as they were underage but not nine years old
It’s so clear than any future history of “pedophilia” will have to include “the Jeffrey Epstein years.”
Ironic, yet instructive, since no “pedophiles” appear to be involved in this story… And yet, I’ve heard phrases like “Trump is a pedo” ad nauseam this week.
The sheer volume of media about Jeffrey and his “associates” and “victims” is enormous. Seemingly back-to-back, never ending “live updates” from news media, youtubers, social media pundits and written press. Even Jeffrey’s donations and investments in science and technology like the MIT Lab, which could have been used to present a nuanced picture of Jeffrey’s life and thought, have been rendered and denounced as deviant or perverse.
Statements from people who knew Jeffrey well, such as Lawrence Krauss, Prince Andrew, or Joi Ito, all paint a picture of a pretty normal heterosexual financier who liked young women, money, parties, and discussions about philosophy and technology. Yet their statements, such as Joi Ito’s reported belief that “Epstein was terrified after his prosecution in 2011,” have been ignored, vilified, dismissed, or used to spark more drama. Ito, for his part, is said to have believed that Jeffrey “[H]ad come to realize that he would lose everything. […T]hat he was a criminal who had stopped his crime. And nothing in his experience with Epstein contradicted this belief.”
There is currently explosive hysteria, language policing, about the American journalist Megyn Kelly pointing out that Epstein was not a “pedophile.”
One exception in all this, who did not performatively denounce Epstein after his “association” was revealed, is Noam Chomsky, a Leftist intellectual and early influence on me who I’ve covered in a Newgon page many moons ago. To end on something positive, Michael Tracey has just written a thoughtful piece about Chomsky and Jeffrey that is well worth reading…
So, returning to the question of mesophilia in minors.
Rockwell Kent wandered why a 16YO Eskimo loved him and explained it with her maternal instinct:
So, bald, IE middle-aged men can be loved by many teens.
I have read all of what has been written here and I can’t think of anything to contribute other than what the title says “Its high time to rethink what consent is” consent is something that a support group that I currently go to (which I will not name) also has the same thing on their agender and that is consent in fact they have had fellow group members saying on their Youtube Channel giving their opinions on what they believe what consent is and have even done a music Youtube Video which is called lets talk about sex, now I may not know what to say re Toms tread but what I do know is that the government is trying to get Britain working again but with the amount of MAPS out their who have lost their jobs and the amount of MAPs who fear that going back to the workplace (including myself) will just end up losing that job due to their criminal records along with the naming and shaming that comes with this then yes maybe it is time to rethink consent and maybe society needs to rethink how it looks at ppl with minor attractions if of course it wants to get Britain working again.
Thanks for your comment, Daniel. Unfortunately, it’s not in most people’s agenda. Now the media is too busy devouring the dead flesh of a corpse (see Prue’s comment below). But it is obvious to me that the system will eventually collapse because it is completely unsustainable and unfair.
Had never heard the “naming and shaming” expression before, but I see it is very very pertinent.
>Had never heard the “naming and shaming” expression before
It is very familiar in the UK. It became a big thing around the turn of the millennium through a “name and shame” campaign against sex offenders run by a powerful, high-circulation, tabloid newspaper.
Marco
What I mean by naming and shaming is that if a Map is in a job and the people who work with that person find out that the said map has committed an offence (even a consensual offence which here on heretic should be seen that way of course) and then take some kind of action to get that person fired/sacked from that job then it may put that person off from trying to find work in the future which I am sure you are aware is a big problem for the economy because the more people we have leaving the the workforce the worse the economy gets and in the UK the government have been looking at the figures and are now recognizing this as a problem due to the amount of unemployment that we currently have, I am not saying that the issue is all Map related but I think its a pretty safe bet to say its a contributing factor.
I think that your concern about the impact on UK economy is valid, but it’s a very small issue compared to the harm and unfairness caused when sex shaming someone for having de-facto consensual relationships. Not to mention that very few people make the effort to understand that nobody chooses their sexual feelings.
I know this, the point is the more people that society name and shames the worst the economy gets and that is why naming and shaming must stop in order to get the economy moving again and for this reason society needs to rethink the AOC.
Unfortunately, Daniel, dominant discourse and “polite society” doesn’t care once you’re labelled a “sex offender.” You’re beyond the pale. Done. Homo Sacer. Begone. Not literally, but figuratively, symbolically. That’s the message these punitive sex laws and lurid tabloid exposés are supposed to convey. Do like Chinese youth with no job prospects: “lie flat.” Or, take a line from the Incels and “LTR” (Lie Down and Rot)…
Obviously, don’t do these things. I’ve met people on the registry who live more fulfilling lives than I do, so a conviction is not always the end of one’s world; it just presents new problems to work with and navigate.
Whilst many more people in Britain have a higher education thanks to the Tony Blair government’s push to normalize university attendance, that doesn’t mean the overall critical thinking, critical literacy, and research skills of the general population are high. In many Western countries, education is often justified through links to “jobs training” or social mobility, and stereotypical “big money” subjects like Science, Maths, and Engineering have been promoted relentlessly for years now.
There is a reason the political Right wants to defund universities and shit on “Queer,” Sexuality, and Gender Studies departments: these degrees teach critical thinking skills and threaten the established order. The founders of Queer Theory were all sympathetic to you guys – how could they not be when “queerness” is all about questioning established norms? The Right’s ascendancy and promotion of LGBTQ hate using the language of “grooming” / “groomer,” equating Transness with pedophilia, bodes very badly for you…
Countries like Britain couldn’t care less if sex offenders are unemployed. They want you dead. “Pedophiles” and “sex offenders” are the Underclass, the Untermensch, the Reserve army of labor. Their symbolic and lived role is to discipline and control the population, to remind them that your life could always be worse, so stay in line and stay quiet. It will take some very dedicated, squeaky clean, or else-wise relentless people to change that. And it starts, with critical thinking…
Agreed. It’s to the point where I’d now caution my PhD students into studying these kinds of issues. The political climate is just so rancid and there doesn’t seem to be any prospect of improvement. I have sexuality and gender studies colleagues who now fear giving lectures because they know their slides will be taken out of context, shared on social media and end up on some “professor watch” website. Zero space for critical thinking in general, let for complex issues like child sexuality.
I’m sure we’ve all seen it, but just in case, the long dead Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news. Many outlets have made it front page news or the first / major story in their reporting…
Thousands of once-private emails have been released to the public, leading to another spat of speculation and sleuthing.
Would be interested to hear people’s thoughts. If anyone’s looked through these emails, is there anything particularly interesting there?
I was surprised to see that, after some time not speaking about Epstein, Jon Stewart’s comedy show now exorcized his corpse again for their jokes. From your comment it looks like all the media in general are sucking again the blood as much as they can since they got hungry and there’s nothing else as interesting to predate.
“all the media” are at it again for sure! It’s easy, entertaining, and popular! You’ll get more clicks, more views, more sponsorships, and more money! A dead man who can’t defend himself and “associates” who don’t want to: it’s perfect for a mass pile-on!
I’d be much more interested if it was a story about paedophiles. It is not. It is a story about powerful people using their power to have some fun with young girls. Nothing strange or unusual. If anything, I’ve fun watching how they call someone “convicted paedophile” for fucking 16yo…
But if we find out it was an operation designed by a foreign country to blackmail politicians, then it would be something!
Unlikely, though, Most probably, it is just about men being men. Let them suffer a bit of fear and shame they so willingly send our way, all the time.
This comment is a bit belated.
It’s about Musk was trying not to appear hypocritical by speaking out against Twitter’s ban of far-right activist Nick Fuentes.
Well, and while saying that, he continues to ban MAP people. What about freedom of speech ? People have the right to advocate for gun ownership or the legalization of marijuana – that doesn’t make them murderers or drug addicts. People can talk about their attraction and gender identity on Twitter. Why are MAP people excluded ? What’s the crime? Or are their arguments simply inconvenient and convincing ?
And why Holocaust revisionists/deniers like me are banned? What’s the crime—just non-believing? Or are the anti-Semitic arguments simply inconvenient and convincing?
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Musk is a massive hypocrite. He wanted free speech for himself, not for those he disagrees with.
Some interesting recent stories from Reduxx:
Supreme Court of Canada Scraps Mandatory Minimum Sentences For Child Pornography Offenses, Claims It Amounts To “Cruel and Unusual Punishment”
“Queer” Spanish Summer Camp Forced Children To Shower With Adults
[I strongly recommend reading up on the Camp’s Ethos from the camp organizer’s themselves; see the thinking or rationale behind what people are complaining about (i.e. body positivity, naturalizing and “de-sexualizing” bodies (their term), ending shame around one’s body. It’s really interesting.]
Proportional punishment. Wow.thats rocket science to american law makers . 35 years whether having mild photos of 17 year olds or rape photos .. devils in the white house. Monsters, Nazis,terrorists….