Putting MAPs on the map, notably through building up Newgon.net as a rich source of quality information, has been just one achievement of today’s guest blogger, Jim Burton. In his thirties, his activist contribution from the mid-noughties onwards has included funding and submitting large amounts of information to Wikipedia and Newgon. He is the current Strategic Lead for the latter. More recently he has invested in MAP networking websites, and spent some time organising disruptions on X (Twitter) from a chat server he funds (chat.yesmap.net). This involved the creation of various false identities such as Andy Parkinson and Jamal Ross. Today he deftly tackles a tricky strategic issue, nimbly navigating the minefield.
Potential allies, or guilt by association?
The perils and profits of associating MAPs with other outcast groups
For civil rights movements, the debate over what may or may not be a productive alliance is time-honoured. In todayās era of online censorship, conspiracy theories and antagonistic āgroomerā and āTERFā smears, the downside risk of guilt-by-association reaches far beyond traditional strategic alliances, and now has implications for any kind of association between particular groups ā especially the marginalised.
With the association fallacy firmly in play, there has been a lot of debate recently within the MAP Community about two controversial groups ā namely Paraphiles (other people with supposedly ānon-normativeā sexual desires) and Fascists. This debate has been particularly visible among the younger MAPs on Fediverse social sites.
Fediverse sites, for those unfamiliar, are a series of independent servers (i.e. websites) that selectively link up with and block other such servers, to create a unique (generally Twitter-like) social experience for their users. Touted as the future of social networking, this model intends to eliminate the risk of censorship by central authorities such as Elon Muskās X (formerly Twitter) and Mark Zuckerbergās Facebook. Naturally, the Fediverse has attracted a variety of marginalised groups, from the zoophiles and paedophiles to anime/lolicon fans and people with multiple āaltersā. Even self-identifying psychopaths, rape fetishists, race role-players and unhinged neo-Nazis have found a home on Fediverse, with fresh-faced young activists such as Greta Thunberg awkwardly adjacent.
So, on the fringes of Fediverse, we end up with a strange situation wherein Nazis on their one server, deem the other server of rape and animal abuse fetishists to be, in their time-honoured words, ādegenerateā; blocking them as a result. In turn, the rape fetishists respond by blocking the Nazis for harassment, or because according to their doubtless refined sensibilities, they find them offensive or vulgar. In this sense, each Fediverse serverās federated content stream (hence the name) is dynamically curated according to the wants of its administrator/s and its wider user-baseās prejudices.
The Nazi Smear
This year, I personally became the target of a similar kind of respectability politics when anti-c MAP/Paraphile activists alleged that conversations taking place on a chat-based MAP Fediverse server I fund (chat.yesmap.net) were āproblematicā. In a campaign of malicious and disruptive disinformation, I was accused not only of tolerating Nazis and rampant transphobia, but normalising sex between adults and babies ā something my server members were said by the accusers to uniformly relish with gay abandon. After a short internal review (I do not immediately read everything posted on the server), I found these allegations to be unsubstantiated. I also found that my moderators had acted as per my wish ā repeatedly removing ethnonationalists on vacation from other servers. Usually, this was because of their insufferable behaviour towards other users, but was otherwise enforced at the point where their all-consuming, and off-topic obsession with āraceā became tiresome or started to rub other members up the wrong way.
It appears the smear was in fact the brain-child of a few highly political individuals ā primarily two young, self-identifying āpsychopathicā anti-c anarcho-communist MAPs who had migrated from Tumblr, via Twitter to Mastodon (itself a Fediverse protocol) three years ago to evade bans. This group had long been pushing for the wider online MAP community to be curated according to their own radical politics, expunging any trace of its previous intellectual diversity. Since their criticisms were aired, the two principal instigators have been discredited, after further information regarding their involvement in malicious conduct (doxxing ā sharing of personal information) against other MAPs emerged. But their changed personal situation aside, the argument these two made is still wholly unacceptable, for if we were to submit MAPs to a monolithic model of identity politics, we would be at risk of confirming one of the Radical-Rightās worst misrepresentations of MAP visibility. This is namely the myth that MAP acceptance is solely a project of Liberal-Left, āpostmodernā and/or āwokeā politics.
Paraphilia Activism
During these trials, a few matters raised by MAPs and paraphilia activists on Fediverse forced me to clarify my own positions, which clash strongly with theirs:
- I do not personally agree with the tactic of copying verbatim the model of queer/trans identity politics seen from the 2010s onwards, at least in the case of MAPs. Our situation is one of extreme invalidation, and theirs is one of seeking recognition and validation within an already assimilated identity group. Therefore, a multi-pronged strategy would be more appropriate in our case.
- I do not argue that MAPs are just one small part of a āParaphilicā spectrum, comprising of perhaps over 500 diagnoses/identities. Iād rather see MAPs treated as a special case; far more numerous, and with a rich history unrivalled by other such groups. A āstrongā identity here is key; we will not win by playing the victim forever, nor will we gain considerable ground by validating the outdated politics and imagery of victimhood and trauma that compounded our situation from the late 70s and 80s on.
- Nor do I argue that MAPs ought to stay ādegenerateā; that liberation is an absolute āfalse idealā, since it entails āassimilationā into a norm. This argument would be deemed absurd, if applied, e.g. to the liberation of youth or ethnic minorities.
- Finally, MAP-inclusive paraphilia activists, in responding to other MAPsā valid concerns about associating their already invalidated identity with some of the more fringe paraphilias, sneeringly chastise their āassimilationismā. This is intellectually dishonest and completely unsatisfactory, since there are forms of assimilationism that must absolutely be avoided (i.e. explicitly anti-paedophile rhetoric), but also forms that might be inevitable and/or advantageous if used in the right way (i.e. normative historical arguments). But as proven by the recent paedophobic attacks on Trans people, political adjacency is also a complex dynamic; peoplesā situation (and personal safety) varies greatly, and thus any association with other groups must never be by compulsion. Attempts to purity-spiral the MAP Movement are short-sighted, and will only give undeserved ammunition to the worst kind of assimilationists.
Further, if seeking assimilation wasnāt a serious strategy in civil rights organizing, homosexuals wouldnāt have made early gains using unsophisticated civil libertarian arguments based on privacy, to the temporary exclusion of unapologetic queerness. Nor would they have made further, and substantial gains appealing to the state, military, nuclear family and corporations while distancing themselves from MAPs.[1] If bad optics werenāt a concern for MAPs engaged in real-world activism, the otherwise radical David Thorstad would not have felt compelled to complain about the NAMBLA Bulletin becoming a soft porn rag for paedophiles,[2] nor would Tom Reeves have had to stress the same organisation was fundamentally about teen boys rather than children.[3]
Nevertheless, the breed of Paraphile activism I address above, is a considerable and growing online trend. Putting aside the implausibility of classifying attraction to legally defined minors as a diagnosable paraphilia, there are apparently individuals in our community who need to feel this way, and will sadly only become mobilised under a mantra of minority, deviancy, victimhood, shared suffering and trauma. Call it placation, but in my opinion, vainly rejecting paraphilia-based MAP and ally activism and radical inclusionism as a parallel strategy would be foolish and counterproductive, as would any considerable investment of time and energy directly arguing against it.
Fascist and Paraphile MAPs: Harm vs Acceptability
One question we have faced on Fediverse, is whether it is ever acceptable to platform Fascist MAPs, or those who identify as e.g. child rape fetishists or psychopaths.
Take the idea of allowing Fascist MAPs to speak, while suppressing the words of an unapologetically āpsychopathicā MAP. The rebuke to this is of course that the Fascist has chosen their own path, while the person who finds him or herself attracted to the young and/or nonconsent/violence has little or no control over it. While I do see it as simplistic and glib to imbue political inclination with a dynamic free will not afforded to sexual inclination, this I find irrelevant to the debate at hand. For me, rather than naive ideals and theory, the strategy and optics of the situation are far more important – realpolitik for MAPs, if you will. When we look at the comparison from this purely pragmatic standpoint, it is the same fact ā i.e. most people believe the Fascist is expressing free will, that makes his or her fleeting association with MAPs less potentially compromising to them, as opposed to, say the rape fetishist MAP. While the presence of the occasional Nazi in most communities is pretty much a given, and can be easily ascribed to bad āpersonal choicesā, a MAP who identifies as being attracted to the rape of small children is a considerable negative publicity risk, in that he confirms some of the most dangerous stereotypes propagated by the Radical-Right concerning the supposed innate violence and degeneracy of paedophiles. No equivalent harmful stereotype of the āFascist MAPā appears to exist, with the ānormalisation of paedophiliaā instead being dishonestly cast by the media as a project of the political left.
Of course, as readers here will be aware from years of research, the harmfulness of something does not necessarily correlate with its acceptability among a particular group. Most online MAPs, particularly of the younger generation, strongly reject ethnonationalist ideology and wish not to be associated with it in any way, nor even to share a space with it. At the same time, the often-heard slogan Attraction ā Action (attraction does not equal action) provides a rallying point for both MAPs and Paraphiles, meaning that even an abstinent rape fetishist might be a far more comfortable ally than a Nazi ā or for that matter any follower of usually hostile ideology.
Still, it remains an obvious irony that most Fediverse users cannot acknowledge a personās ability to hold hateful beliefs while not acting on them, decrying even non-violent white identitarianism as āinvalidā freedom of conscience while permitting open celebration of identity for virtually every other group ā historical oppressors included. At the same time, the history and present of free speech rights (e.g. paedophile-tolerant Fediverse servers using the same host as the Daily Stormer) tells us that free expression for the Fascist is analogous to free expression for the sexual deviant, whatever trite slogans both groups may hurl around in dismissing one anotherās claim to those rights.
One last note should concern the fact that until very recently, the anti-c MAPs who rallied around attraction=/=action in the 2010s were also ignorant or wilfully blind to the fact that for pro-cās, attraction does not equal intention. Instead, they chose to scapegoat writers such as Tom as illegalists, or āpro-abuseā until the work of researchers belatedly put paid to those attempts.[4][5]
My approach to moderation
In drafting a set of moderation guidelines for social communities I invest in, I have continued to err on the side of outright excluding Fascists, rather than fringe paraphilias ā even those that disturb me. This would appear to mirror views in the community as to the unacceptability of platforming ethnonationalist MAPs, rather than my own personal approximation of, say the relatively harmless optics of allowing one to speak, vs. the potential benefits of de-radicalising them. Still, as community builders in an expanding frontier, we must also be on the look-out for those who seek to portray MAPs as rapists and psychopaths by creating false identities, as was the case with FST earlier this year.
In conclusion, while Paraphiles might today or one day in the future, be naturally invested in a more thoroughgoing alliance with us, no good has come (or will come) from a strategic association with card-carrying Fascists.
This is something to which I suspect we can all agree.
NOTES
- De Orio, S (2017). Punishing Queer Sexuality in the Age of LGBT Rights. (A dissertation submitted in partial fulfilment of the requirements for the degree of Doctor of Philosophy, University of Michigan).
- Denizet-Lewis, B (2006). āBoy Crazyā. Boston Magazine.
- Naedele, W (1982). āBoy Love Convention Is Protestedā. Philadelphia Inquirer. See also, e.g. The Advocate, 1994.
- Jahnke, S and MalĆ³n, A (2019). āHow pedophilic men think about adult-child sex: effects of child gender and physical maturityā. Psychology, Crime & Law, 25:1, 90-107, DOI: 10.1080/1068316X.2018.1503665.
āFurthermore, participants with stronger liberal attitudes were found to be more likely to defend the sexual act, as were participants with a preferential interest in pre-pubescents. There was no link between attitudes towards adultāchild sex and sexual offending, replicating the non-associations reported in previous community surveys.ā
- Bailey, J. M., Bernhard, P. A., & Hsu, K. J. (2016). āAn Internet study of men sexually attracted to children: Correlates of sexual offending against childrenā. Journal of abnormal psychology, 125(7), 989ā1000. DOI:10.1037/abn0000213.
āIn contrast, permissive attitudes regarding child-adult sex and frequent indulgence in sexual fantasies about children were not significantly related to offending.ā
SeXy ’70s pro-active AAM grooms benign MAP.
02:05 “You’re just my kinda man, you really are!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKN_6Javjnc
Quote HOT Loli Brooke’s cool Mom, “Forget the uptite critics Honey. You’re proud of your body and career – so fuck ’em!”
https://honey.nine.com.au/latest/brooke-shields-nude-photos-playboy-10/3fe12a66-e2b2-455e-9901-201a05520c81
Look at all the sad, psychotic, jealous hypocrites (SSRI users) freaking out in the comments. They’re gonna have to censor all of fucking human history to stop being triggered into emotional upset by youthful sex under the modern feminist “age of consent” hoax. I say, keep triggering ’em with history, the sooner they jump in front of a train or blow their brains out, the sooner humanity can heal.
Pro-active AAMS grooming benign MAPS.
Quote from “The Erotic Lives of Women”, 1998, “When I was four I loved taking my fun uncle into my secret little garden, where he liked crossing my borders.”
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1953555.The_Erotic_Lives_of_Women
I’ve just found out that Omegle, the ridiculously popular website which links up random people for virtual video and text chats, has shut down. According to research collected by data analyst Semrush, Omegle grew globally from about 34 million visits a month in January 2020 to 65 million in January 2021.The British BBC has multiple relevant articles. In this one, we see ‘cyber reporter’ Joe Tidy waiting outside the home of the site’s creator for 7 hours, until he finally walks past. The first real question he asks: “We want to know why you’re not protecting children, Mr. Brooks”. Brooks doesn’t even open the door. The clip is from a new BBC documentary titled Omegle: Matched with My Abuser, where this guy speaks exclusively with “Alice”. Described as a child abuse survivor, Alice was ‘coerced her into becoming [a paedophile’s] digital sex slave’, as ‘he [a Canadian] forced the American girl to send him explicit images and videos of herself for three years’. The details of said case would be interesting, if any are given in the doc [which i doubt]. Meanwhile, she’s bringing a lawsuit against Omegle ‘in a landmark case that could pave the way for many more lawsuits against other social platforms.’
The article describes the site’s creator as “reclusive”. Maybe so. But he gave them a reply to an email, and if he doesn’t want to talk to a reporter stalking and running at him (who would?), that’s up to him and perfectly reasonable. Anyway, about the site itself:
In Feb 2021, the same Joe Tidy who seems to have made it a personal crusade, reported how the BBC [just him? a team? his mates?] used Omegle and were matched with men masturbating as well as minors looking for sexy time. He gave that article the not-at-all moral panic, fear inducing title Omegle: Children expose themselves on video chat site.
Fast forward, in amongst Covid and a massive rise in people using their webcams and tik toks for social connection, the Internet Watch Foundation finds that ‘Imagery of young children carrying out sexual acts on camera has risen more than tenfold since the pandemic lockdowns […] In 2022, the IWF logged more than 63,000 webpages showing the material compared to 5,000 before the pandemic.’
When it comes to Omegle, very few people will find any of this surprising. The BBC uses the phrase ‘rite of passage’, but whatever we call it, it’s a common experience for teens and young people to go on Omegle and have fun times chatting with males and females of all sorts of ages and nationalities. People expect to see unusual and sexual content: that’s why people go there. Because it’s fun and funny. I’ve never used Omegle bc I don’t want to see men jerking it, but I can tell you that at least 1 woman I know has told me all about how ‘horrified’ her mother would have been, if she knew what she and a highly sexual and experienced friend, at around 15/16 years old, were saying to / asking men to do on Omegle. I am fairly sure they don’t feel abused, but I am confident that many people must have used Omegle as an outlet for sexual expression. I can see a general study of sexual experiences on Omegle being a future research project.
So, what got the site taken down, despite its ridiculous popularity and cultural impact? The woman known as ‘Alice’: āHow I got the dangerous chat site closed downā (BBC News). Reported this week, again by Joe Tidy, she demanded the website’s closure as part of an out-of-court settlement.
There will be other sites like Omegle, while all people, younger and older, will find avenues to express themselves sexually regardless of how taboo it becomes. But yes, definitely the end of an era for this platform that held a special place – positive, negative, neutral and mixed – in many people’s childhoods,.
This happens on all sites where anyone can upload videos. Even on YouTube, minors upload self-made erotic content, which is deleted by moderators, but everyone unanimously pretends that this is not happening, and āinnocentā children suffer from compliments from āperverted adult men”.
All this censorship is aimed at maintaining the myth of āinnocenceā, and hiding the presence of a significant number of minor attracted people by turning off comments and blocking MAP channels. At the same time, the inflated counters of views and likes are still visible.
There’s no place for Omegle in sex psychosis 2023. It makes sense it was shut down now, it’s sad. The Japanese are also shutting down more internet stuff since the feminists successfully got the new western style rape hoax and age of consent hoax law passed in Japan. We continue to spiral backwards into the dark ages, which were ironically more tolerant about youthful sex than now. Going to have to find a new analogy…
Children generate CP with AI:
The genie is out of the bottle! š
https://youtube.com/shorts/G9D_PL61_pA?si=bhz1bzQ7Agy9Zo3i
The feminists are really exposed on this one. The protecting the children argument is completely absent as no real children are involved. Banning AI porn under the age of consent is purely done as thought crime which threatens the sexual power of women.
Simps and women will probably support its ban for obvious reasons.
ID Politics.
Quote AAMS (grooming benign MAPS), “We identify as sexually aMused NOT abused.”
Quote, 1990s pro-active AAM HOT Loli, 5, spurned a rough lad’s advance for a Kiss n Cuddle, then quietly ‘groomed’ smooth BoldMAP, “I’ll give YOU a Kiss n Cuddle.”
A new article where āCourtship violenceā between minors is explained non-sexually.
https://erepository.uwks.ac.id/16620/
[MODERATOR: I have deleted most of this post. It is not very coherent. One reason may be that it appears to be based on an even more incoherent very bad translation into English of the linked article in question. For instance, the Abstract includes a reference to “eating” criminal sanctions. Quote: … when the diversion with justice efforts restorative do not produce results and an agreement to eat criminal sanctions (Ultimatum Remidium) is the last resort.”]
A new article on what types of grooming are discussed in the court.
Grooming includes āTeaching abnormal sex idealsā and ādo[ing] nice things for youā, tickling and āplaying horseyā with one’s daughter, favoritism.
Children are said to be āisolatedā by defendants when the latter āphysically isolated the child through taking them on tripsā.
Also, children are said to be āthreatenedā when the defendants warn them about being separated in a case of disclosure.
>A new article on what types of grooming are discussed in the court.
Another all negative Anglo Victorian-GROOMED pair U$/OZ Emily Denne & Stacia N. Stolzenberg. Likely Gen Z with no perspectve on the Century plus phoney Anglophone sex PHOBE mass GROOMING. Since Victorian mass media monster Stead negatively GROOMED the whole nation with his fake sex-PANIC for profit power & control, raising the UK 1885 AOC from a half-natural 13 to a totally perverse 16.
And, Emily and Stacia in deep denial GROOMED to ignore modern Anglo Sex-Filled ‘Family’ media MASS GROOMING kids more than any MAP.
[MOD: Remainder deleted. Too many shouty capitals, too graphic, too syntactically challenged, too long bearing in mind the other shortcomings.]
How about nudism, homosexuality and transgenderism ? It were also considered “abnormal ideals” not so long ago. I wonder since when friendliness, empathy, mentoring, romance, hugging, kissing, masturbation became “abnormal ideals” ? It turns out that when a adult man goes to a restaurant with woman he likes, gives her gifts, is this all malicious grooming too ? (Angry lonely radfems will say “yes”, but that is precisely why they are lonely)
There are such deviations like ādate rapeā (sex during a date) and ādating violenceā (attempted sex during a date), so the next step is to criminalize dating as grooming.
Anglo-elite fake grooming of the kept dumb infantilised masses on most issues. Anglo fake grooming for careers, ratings, profit, promotions, power and control, always deviously masked by Anglo fake media as so called ‘Public Protection’. De facto a fake-virtue waving vast Protection-Racket ‘new patriotism’ last refuge of overpaid scoundrels.
[MOD: Deleted lots of tediously repetitive “Anglo” stuff. Repetitive evidence (see links below) is more justified.]
Boy of five among 400 sexting cases. ProQuest.
https://search.proquest.com āŗ openview by N IRELAND ā Thousands of children, some as young as five, have been investigated for sexting. … and Wales, according to freedom of information requests from the BBC.4000 Cases of Sexting Dealt With By Police
Cyber Safe Warwickshire
https://www.cybersafewarwickshire.com āŗ 4-000-cases…
11 Jul 2017 ā Thousands of children, including a boy aged five, have been investigated for sexting, the BBC has learned. Nearly 400 children under the age of consent…
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40566026
āChildren as young as six are sexting suspects, Met Police revealā
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-51507352
Sexting among under-16s skyrocketing, says Labour.
Thousands of children sexting, police say – BBC News
https://www.bbc.com āŗ news
11 Jul 2017 ā Thousands of children, including a boy aged five, have been investigated for sexting, the BBC has learned. Ā· Nearly 400 children under the age of consent…
Children as young as six are sexting suspects, Met Police …
BBC https://www.bbc.com āŗ uk-england-london-51507352
14 Feb 2020 ā The Met Police said it was looking to “educate” children. Hundreds of children as young as six have been deemed suspects in sexting offences …
Police investigate 17 child sexting cases a day
BBC https://www.bbc.com āŗ news
06 Nov 2017 ā Police investigations into children sharing sexual images of themselves and others have more than doubled in two years, figures have shown.
Hundreds of children in Wales sexting, police figures show
BBC https://www.bbc.com āŗ news āŗ uk-wales-40565909
11 Jul 2017 ā Police in north and south Wales have investigated 166 young people for sexting since 2013. … Thousands of children sexting, police say.
Plus: āSex pests aged FOUR kicked out of school: 14,754 expelled or suspended for sexual misconduct. 1,123 children were of primary age, some in reception!ā
Lockdown ‘sexting’ blackmail concerns for young people …
BBC https://www.bbc.com āŗ news āŗ uk-wales-54194093
18 Sept 2020 ā Police warn Welsh pupils over ‘sexting’ Ā· Thousands of children sexting, police say. “Young people are at home alone and wanting intimacy …
And, not just online, check, UK top-sales SeX-Filled āFAMILYā tabloid The SUN, Chief London Reporter Tom Wells: āKids Aged 6 are Teacher Sex Abusers! Among a sharp rise in similar shocking cases, a six year old girl stood in front of a male teacher, lifted her skirt and boldly massaged herself through her underwear.ā
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Gabrielle_Russier
A page I made that I particularly care about, as it recounts a now largely forgotten national scandal where an intergen couple were not just roundly condemned, but instead become the subject of heated debate and even sympathy. Films, books, and even the French president appearing sympathetic!
The page is well worth a read…
>We loved each other, we put her in prison, she killed herself. It’s simple.
Simply tragic, for sure. And, not so simply, more Romeo and Juliet than intergen.
The boy, we are told, was a bearded giant; the woman was tiny and childlike. Almost intergen in reverse. As for their meeting of hearts and minds, it appears to have been a relationship as equal as any dogmatist against inequalities of power could wish for.
French–only Wiki on Russier, but…
The fact-based tale of Gabrielle Russier (1937ā1969), a thirty year old teacher whose affair with a much younger student made her the object of bourgeoisie ridicule. The film was nominated for a Golden Globe, and remains Annie Girardot’s biggest box office hit in France. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Girardot
French inconsistencies abound. They still rightly protect MAP Polanski and MAP artists in general. Plus Anglo student Stammers and MAP teacher Forrest (first held by French cops on non-sex enquiries) yet France still condemns non-arty other MAPS, and always Worldwide BIG Lies of Omission-LOO they STINK!
NEVER a “Mightily aMused not abused.” AAM posi-tale posted by neo Victorian nasty regimes in deep denial and in plain-sight of SWARMS of underage fans, often pre-teen, chasing, grabbing groping, grooming, laying Adult Showbiz & Sport stars.
Quote Deep South Rock God sweet peado Presley, “If young gals wanna rip all mah clothes off me I let ’em. They put ’em there in the first place!”
Quote Deep South song, “Tulsa girls half-grown, jump ohn a man like a dawg ohn a bone.”
And, West Coast HOT Rockin’ Ricky Nelson, “From ’57 thru ’63 when I finally got wed, I reckon I got chased and laid by about 3,000 young chicks, ages all unchecked, clean across the land. And it could get scaRy. One time six young chicks laid down in front of my limo and BEGGED me to Rock n Roll over their arms and legs so they’d have my tiremarks as permanent trophies. In my line of work, growing up is no option.”
Never forgetting the PREMIERE French Student-Teacher AAM-MAP Macrons!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Macron
Plus, La Belle Francaise 2020 “Mignnones”/”Cuties” premiered at the 2020 Sundance Film Festival on 23 January 2020, where DoucourĆ© won the Directing Award. It was released in France on 19 August 2020 by BAC Films and internationally on 9 September 2020 on Netflix. While receiving generally positive reviews from critics for its ambition and acting as well as receiving accolades, it became a subject of controversy, starting from Netflix’s initial promotional poster that was widely considered inappropriate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuties
why did this cause a scandal, because the AoC in France since 1945 was 15 years ? And before it was even lower – 13 years, for as long as 80 years.
AOC in the uk is 16, and if i went with a 16 year old id be called names repeatedly.. by what i would call thick c&*%s.
look at the controversy over prince andrew! he only went with a17 year old apparently..
and the Uk aoc was 12 until the start of the 20th century!
Until three quarters through the 19th century would be closer to the mark, Matt. The English AOC was raised from 10 to 12 by the Offences Against the Person Act 1861; then to 13 in 1875 and to 16 in 1885.
The English AOC was raised from 10 to 12 by the Offences Against the Person Act 1861; then to 13 in 1875 and to 16 in 1885.
This is called “salami-slicing tactics”.
I just realized you asked a question, rather than posing a question then answering it.
Why did this cause a scandal? Honestly, I’m not so sure. How did the media become aware of the case? Did her case become popular because it related to politics and the then-popular idea of challenging established hierarchies like teacher-student? The latter is what I suspect.
I have not read much of the article I linked on the page by the late Prof. Keith Reader, titled “Policing Desire” (2005), but that may help answer some questions.
It seems to me that the case served as a flash point to debate / express views about many changes going on in French society at the time. The case is usually mentioned in relation to the student revolution of May 1968. Gabrielle Russier and her partner’s closeness to that, having been to protests together and w/ Christian being a stauch Maoist, probably have something to do w/ the case’s popular influence.
Anyway, soon I will tidy up the page and add rare photos of Gabrielle and Chritian, that can be found online in more recent French media retrospectives.
Surely it’s WAY past time for pro-AAM/MAP BIG Hit Songs and Flicks?
“What’s AGE Got To Do With It?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGpFcHTxjZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YMzT2Uelts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LqOp2MNwao
A new study on the prevalence of non-penalized MAPs among Australians:
Now let them also conduct the same survey among minors: “Would they have sex with an adult or with someone younger, if no one would find out ?” Problematic ? Why ? Because they are just afraid that the answers will not be what they would like
They claim children will get psychological traumas when hear such questions and talks.
something familiar. It seems that we have already been through this – slaves are not worthy of having free will. This makes owning slaves much more convenient.
It’s known that minors have erotic fantasies and desires, watch adult pornography and masturbate… But according to the Puritans, conducting a survey is harmful to the “innocent” children psyche (in reality, this survey will be harmful to the puritan psyche lol) It’s very very convenient to keep minors in victimological trap and keep adults in criminological trap.
No ‘survey’ needed.
In plain-sight SWARMS of underage often pre-teen fans chase, grab, grope, groom, lay adult Rock-Pop-Sport stars.
E.G. a 1990s adult dateline FreePhone for femmes, had a young femme caller saying to ‘Love Magnet’ BoldMAP, “I like your voice, have ya gotta BIG Bulge?” “Well I’m not gonna say I’ve gotta small one am I? Anyway you sound more 13 than 18, the monitor will BLOCK you.” “I ain’t bovvered!” “So, who’s yer fave star?” “Beckham!” “And what would you do if he was standing in front of you now?” “I’d pull his shorts right down!”
Quote ‘Love Generation’ MAP? dry-wit Lennon asked what he thought of all the young girls chasing the Beatles, “I think it’s terrible.” And in the ‘Hard Day’s Night’ train carriage scene, leering Lennon to a group of giggling schoolgirls, “I bet ya can’t guess what I was in for?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP4SIZ_u8PU
Quick one for https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Joel_Best
Check out his article Victimization and the Victim Industry (1997).
Obvious gaps on Newgon, when it comes to academics that’ve MAP-pilled me, bug me. So I got to work making pages asap for some people I’d had in mind for some time. Most readers will have some level of familiarity, but even so it might be nice to follow the links, save copies of papers if you don’t have them, or see a blast from the past.
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Chin-Keung_Li
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Paul_Okami
[Note the linked review of Kilpatrick’s book and another book on CSA, which is a more obscure publication from Okami’s very based hands].
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Allie_C._Kilpatrick
Updated https://www.newgon.net/wiki/LeRoy_G._Schultz with his commentary on Kilpatrick.
A CRAZY piece of news I have just looked into: Did you know that Nancy Pelosi, an 83-year-old United States democrat politician and former speaker of the house of representatives, had her California property broken into by one David DePape (43)? As you can see on police bodycam footage viewable on this BBC article, her husband was held captive and struck (in the head, it has emerged), by a man weilding a hammer. But why did he do it? Why am I bringing it up?
Because, dear readers, it involves Gayle Rubin (yes, that Gayle Rubin!) Considered a leading academic in feminist theory and queer studies, and currently a professor at the University of Michigan, she is regarded as a founder of American queer theory. She was, notably, sympathetic to MAPs and young people’s sexual expression where it was consensual / did not involve rape.
To my knowledge, Rubin has only ever responded to controversy surrounding her “Thinking Sex” piece once, in a 2011 piece titled “Blood under the bridge”. In it, she does not apologize or disown her earlier statements but instead states that that “I assumed (wrongly, as it turned out) that no one would imagine that I supported the rape of pre-pubescents. Even now, as I write this, I am aware that whatever I say will be interpreted in the worst possible way by someone“. She states that the fact that explorations of young people and sexuality “feel so dangerous” is “an indication of something deeply wrong.” (Deviations, ch. 8).
In this informative article, we are told that Rubin was “Target 1”: that is, the first target. The attacker went for Pelosi instead because, after researching Rubin’s home, he believed Rubin’s was too well-fortified. He decided that he could get to Rubin through kidnapping Pelosi, luring Rubin to Pelosi’s home as she would be drawn by Pelosi’s popularity. He would then continue to extract the “Truth” out of other kidnapped politicians and public figures, under threat of violence, ending with Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden (of ‘Hunter Biden laptop CP conspiracy’ fame). Using Hunter as leverage, DePape would have Joe Biden pardon those he considered criminals.
On Rubin, the article tells us that “DePape had a slip of paper in his pocket with Rubinās address and phone number on it when he arrived at the Pelosi home last year“, which Rubin herself confirmed the accuracy of as part of testifying in court.
How did he get this idea? Well, we all know that Right-wing populism and fearmongering are popular online and love to use ‘think of the children’ as a wedge issue to radicalize people who would otherwise be fairly ordinary and apolitical. In this case, we read:
The article continues:
Pelosi’s 82-year-old husband reportedly has “a large portion of the front of his skull flattened from his injuries and a roughly 4-inch laceration going across the back-right part of his skull“.
Thankfully, both the Pelosi’s, and dear Gayle Rubin, are alive… Those on his target list included actor Tom Hanks, Rep. Adam Schiff, former Vice President Mike Pence (remember how “hang Mike Pence” was chanted during the Qanon attack on the U.S. Capitol building?), former U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and billionaire George Soros.
I think we can all see who’s *really* divorced from reality… All the more reason “to turn down the volume” on CSA, as former APA president Martin Seligman wrote (Oellerich, 2001). There is no “pedophilic elite”. Jeffrey Epstein is dead and was, if anything, an ephebophile – not a pedophile. There are no “predators”, “monsters”, etc. – just people and what they do and what they believe. These are images created in your head; journalists manipulating you with eye-catching exciting stories. In a money economy, journalists and entertainers are fighting for views, knowing that they can build an audience and make more money by using drama and sex scandals which promise little pushback.
I reckon that we’d see a lot less violence if journalists and media personalities would heed Rubin’s call, if they’d only read it, in Thinking Sex:
What does this extraordinary story tell us? If the message is that that irresponsible talk by sensationalist media commentators leads to people getting their heads bashed in by lunatics with hammers, or ā even worse ā that the whole of democratic society is being poisoned by overheated conspiratorial talk, driving us into violently opposed tribes, what does it say about the value of freedom of expression?
I have always been a great believer in free speech but the way things are going now is very challenging. When commentators cross a line by spreading outright lies that are demonstrably libellous, such as Alex Jones with his notorious Sandy Hook allegations, there is a legal remedy at hand.
But at least one of the podcasters referenced here, James A Lindsay, is no mere mendacious rabble-rouser. Yes, he has pushed the “grooming” conspiracy theory, but he has also done serious work challenging the intellectual rigour of much “activist scholarship” (precisely the work I do!) on race, gender, and identity. A lot of it is pretentious crap and he has called it out. Good for him.
I wouldn’t want to silence Lindsay, or indeed the others. But neither is it satisfactory just to roll over and allow ourselves to be destroyed by the promotion of lunacy.
The way forward, I think it to look at the rules. We need freedom within the rule of law. Freedom of speech needs to be governed by rules of debate that are the same for all parties and are seen to be fair, rather like the rules of a debating society. That cannot happen in a lawless Wild West where the media landscape is ruled at the whim of billionaire owners, whether they be Elon Musk or Rupert Murdoch.
Sadly, there will always be a few crazies like David DePape, but there’s no need to give them too much encouragement.
A new study rejecting “problematic sexualized behavior” in children to be caused by previous illegal sexual experience:
Nice, I hope I’m not too intrusive.
They realized that the earth is not flat, but they continue to adhere to geocentrism and notice that something wrong, but they cannot dare to abandon geocentrism, so as not to be condemned and not be branded as heretics. š
I mean the use of the term CSA, which forces one to view the entire spectrum of sexual experience as exclusively negative. But if the experience was voluntary, mutual, initiated and reinforced by the willing “victim”, it becomes obvious why it does not have a negative impact. And in this case, the source of the problem is the social environment, taboos and stigma.
These authors seem to reject sexual needs in prepubertals, try to explain sexualized behavior in children non-sexually (contrary to the same behavior in adult offenders), as a reaction to previous physical abuse and neglect. Sexualized behavior in children is presented as asexual revengeāin accordance to Susan Brownmiller’s theory. So, struggle against sexualized aggression between children is supposed to have nothing to do with the prohibition of sex (because children can want only aggression, and cannot want sex).
I have managed to get a FStube account.. so in the vastness of the internet i now have TWO places too speak freely!! theres plenty of vids but not many comments… needs more recruits i guess..
A new article about “normalization of non-consensual distribution of intimate images within adolescent peer culture and a reluctance to report or intervene”:
By telling about ānon-consensual distribution of intimate imagesā the authors are āincluding unsolicited sexting and unwanted requests for imagesā, i.e., unsuccessful sexual initiative. No wonder that children consider initiative, even unsuccessful, normal.
adolescent, not children… adolescents sext because they arent children… 5 year olds dont sext, as they are children.. anyway its all aboutt he
consequencesand bad news when thousands of teens sext quite happily.. until the pigs come round, of course.>5 year olds dont sext, as they are children..
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MILLIONS of sex-keen UNSTOPPABLE guilt-free modern kids Worldwide from AGE FIVE ‘Generation Selfie Sext’. Arrested ONLY in backward Sex-PHOBE phoney Anglophonia UK/U$A Uptight$ickA$$holes fer MOCKING Anglo Victorian fake ‘Sex Laws’.
ļ»æPARENT WARNING: Boy, FIVE, among 400 primary school age children investigated for SEXTING. A CHILD of FIVE is the youngest of nearly 400 children under the age of 12 to have been investigated by police for sexting.
By ALIX CULBERTSON Tue, Jul 11, 2017 | UPDATED: 15:34, Tue, Jul 11, 2017
A boy aged five is the youngest to be investigated for sexting. The boy, from County Durham, is the youngest person to be probed for sexting by police forces in England and Wales who responded to a BBC Newcastle request for information. There have been more then 4,000 cases since 2013 where children up to the age of 16 have taken EXPLICIT PHOTOS OF THEMSELVES and sent them to others.
Natch it’s all changed since ‘017 – it’s WAY worse but the phoney Anglophone fake coverups are sooo much better.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/827393/Sexting-warning-primary-school-children-police
“A record number of children, some potentially as young as three years old, have been groomed to send sexually explicit content online” claimed:
I wonder if it would be as easy to groom them to do their homework?
ok, you are right that sometimes they do, but im right generally, 5 year olds dont generally do
adultthings.. although heres a major hypocrisy- the drinking age is 5. but for some mad reason, you need to wait 13 years to drink in a pub? i dont know what crazies make these laws..Is Matt on the wrong blog informing HTOC & Co about so called āAdult appropriateā sex? When for 5-decades ongoing Tom has shown that for all-age AAMS & MAPS all consenting sex is āall-age appropriateā.
While, for centuries pre-āSextingā all-age fun sex play begins pre-playschool among all-age young relatives and friends playing traditional āShow Me Yours, Iāll Show You Mineā. Plus a more coy āDoctorā just a fun excuse to see, touch, feel.
yes right blog we all here interested in people under 6,574 days old yes?
Just to clarify.
From Day Dot. an intimately suckling newborn ‘consents’ to being pleasantly aMused on the breast, but ‘resents’ being unpleasantly aBused when pulled too soon off the aMusing tit.
That’s HOT Mom’s tit, not Lil Blue Tit nor BIG Tom Tit.
All-age quote, “CONSENT MATTERS – AGE DOESN’T”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomtit
fact is they cant stop young people sexting.. and psychopath Republiscums over the pond want to jail people for 35 years for ASKING for a photo… and im very worried these loons will get into power again..
Well darn. This is the sort of thing I would’ve wrote. Not that there’s a dearth of things to talk about, just that this has knocked a bit of wind out of my sails- covers a decent chunk of what I would of written- and probably better put and cited than I would have. Gonna have to think of a few more things.
Those who survived online sex offences as minors are said to spend GĀ£s because of MAPs:
Those who did not survive, how many GĀ£s did they spend for the funeral?
[MOD: This was posted more than 24 hours ago. Just rescued it from Spam.]
what is a GĀ£? to save me reading the article, as articles offend me..
[Tom, I sent a short reply yesterday, but it got apparently lost in cyberspace. It read more or less like this:]
What about those who did not survive? Did they spend GĀ£s for the funeral?
[TOM: Just rescued your original from Spam. No idea why it went there.]
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Pat_Sikes
Made page for UK female academic Pat Sikes, who in the 2000’s experienced her own moral panic after journalists went wild over her self-professed status as an unharmed student who married her secondary school high school teacher.
Her scholarship is so clear and well written and really shows you how to do it. She is an example of the kind of reflexive, reasonable and resolute academic that we can always do with more of in relation to MAP topics. Though she no longer writes on teacher-student sexual/romantic relationships, she kept her promise (to herself) to write more relevant publications, rather than going completely quiet on the subject. [You’ll find these linked on the page].
If nothing else, you’ll find cases of positive age-gap sex/romance in the sci-hub articles linked on the page. I highly recommend saving copies of her articles / book.
If anyone finds a quote etc they particularly think should go on that page, do let me know. š
Also produced this small page: https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Lars_Ullerstam
A once popular author who, in the 60s especially, seems to have provided a jumping off point for discussion about tolerance and acceptance for sexual minorities.
Fine work, as usual, in your latest two articles, Prue. But it looks as though the quote from Playboy needs a tweak. Surely the original said “shouldn’t” rather than “should” i.e. “why shouldn’t those who ‘deviate’ from the sexual norm (in the statistical sense) be permitted their gratification, if it involves equals and is freely chosen?” (my emphasis).
Good spotting dear Editor! š
Happy to oblige! š
Tom
Playboy? just thought id point out HUgh Hefner said miley cyrus was attractive. whats the big deal? lol she was 15. paris hilton said the same about 15 yo millie bobby brown.. makes you think… got condemned , obviiously !
I watched that shitty hit-piece documentary about Hefner and was digusted by the ageism. Most of it seemed to be 2 women complaining in disgust at how Hefner continued to be actively sexual during his last years. I make a point of calling people out whenever they make comments disparaging the elederly having a sex life. Ironically, I find the ageism itself disgusting…
There were 2 other women who make up the other bulk of the documentary, who (going by memory) were very very pissed off that their sexual activity with Hugh was recorded (there was dispute, I believe, about whether they knew this would happen beforehand). I can see that argument, fine, but we don’t need to monster the guy in his entirety and everything he ever did. Hugh was a bastion for sex positivity and sex science, known to have supported (funded to some extent) the development of what became the International Academy of Sex Research, and its journal.
Just an update to Ullerstam: found a positive review in an underground LGBT outlet in 1975, called the Berkley Barb. Discussed and sourced on the page.
https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Lars_Ullerstam
Germany is making CP storing/dissemination a misdemeanor:
This appears to be very interesting news. Unfortunately, most of the story is behind a paywall.
Hm. Interesting. This is the sort of thing that you’ll start to see more of in the future, I think. It may take a while, starts and stops, backs and forths, but I think even the United States will eventually begin to head in that direction within the coming decades, though probably not for another decade or two. It necessarily goes hand in hand with the lessening of restrictions on drugs- it’s the same animating spirit.
“U.$. National Center on the Sexual Behavior of Youth”
https://www.ncsby.org/content/about-us
Another profiteering arm of the phoney Anglophone CSIC/Child Savers Industrial Complex
A fake virtue-waving ‘New Patriotism’ last refuge of scoundrels. Among the post-‘Love Generation’ 4-decades ongoing tax-dodge charities and psycho-lonial industries in the vast and over arching neo-Victorian CPR/Child Protection Racket. Generating hate Worldwide against mutually attracted AAMS & MAPS.
A grotesque disgrace to true Child Protection when long proven c.88% of serious child abuse is NON-sex serious child abuse, with millions of non-sex child abuse victims. About whom the kidsex-craZed phoney Anglophone Child Protection Racket – doesn’t give a damn! While delivered daily to the kept dumb shallow ignorant masses by the Anglo-talitarian tabloid media ‘Dominant Narrative’ with unstated subtext, “Dumbing Down Works Wonders. Here is the (narrow) News, and this is what we want you to think.”
Abstract: A comprehensive meta-analysis combined prevalence figures of childhood sexual abuse (CSA) reported in 217 publications published between 1980 and 2008, including 331 independent samples with a total of 9,911,748 participants. The overall estimated CSA prevalence was 127/1000 in self-report studies and 4/1000 in informant studies. Self-reported CSA was more common among female (180/1000) than among male participants (76/1000). Lowest rates for both girls (113/1000) and boys (41/1000) were found in Asia, and highest rates were found for girls in Australia (215/1000) and for boys in Africa (193/1000). The results of our meta-analysis confirm that CSA is a global problem of considerable extent, but also show that methodological issues drastically influence the self-reported prevalence of CSA.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077559511403920
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crimesarent even against children ! they are against adolescents ! yes, there is a difference !Yeah, but the average person isn’t about to parse out the difference between children and adolescents in this conversation. Society is much more on the side of sheltering. And in favor of extending childhood and adolescence.
Anyone who wants to read about Inquisitor, the cosplayer that allegedly killed himself live online, after being falsely smeared w/ ‘grooming’ allegations: a good page on it is here
https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/what-happened-to-inquisitor-ghost-on-tiktok-live-and-are-the-allegations-against-him-true-the-call-of-duty-cosplayers-alleged-suicide-explained
In search of magazines – Martijn
“OK magazine” ā1-94 (1986-2006) – is an informational magazine about adult-child relationships and pedophilia.
“Martijn magazine” ā1-36
Where can I download it??? PDF files
or tell me where to look for the magazine.
Be careful. These magazines may no longer be legal to possess in some jurisdictions. My understanding is that they do not contain pornographic images. But any photos of children in a context of paedophilia advocacy, and indeed such advocacy itself, is now illegal in the Netherlands, the country where these mags were originally produced and where they once circulated freely without challenge from the authorities.
I live in a land of lawlessness
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2023/08/18/russias-interior-ministry-limits-interpol-powers-in-country-en-news?ysclid=loshtman63448969578
“He was a loving husband and father”: near Yekaterinburg, they said goodbye to a man who was mistaken for a pedophile
https://www.ural.kp.ru/daily/217175.5/4277935/
>I live in a land of lawlessness
Maybe you need to be extra careful, rather than less so?
I understood that Novaya Gazeta continues to be published from Moscow in a censored version, but I am amazed to see that this appears to be compatible with a totally uncensored edition published outside Russia.
It sucks. What the hell happened to the world? The places where there was the least hysteria only a few decades ago have all run in the other direction and have lost their minds completely. The Netherlands, Russia, Tennessee… for centuries these places were the most tolerant about age gaps and youthful sex. Now they are hellholes for reasonable and realistic people. I say let the sex fascists in the USA and Russia send nuclear bombs to each other, and leave the relatively sexually normal Chinese out of it.
i guess that includes adolescents too.. that means i cant use my copy of American Beauty (1999) directed by Sam mendes, as proof underage nudity is no harm…
ok ill add to that
not always harmful. as it can be whent he pics are distributed WITHOUT CONSENT. the key is consent !Amos Yee was released on parole on 7 October 2023. He got rearrested a few days ago for unspecified “parole violations”, but he did have the time to write two blog posts while he was out:
https://amosyeeishere.wordpress.com/2023/10/23/amos-yees-update-after-3-years-in-american-prison/
https://amosyeeishere.wordpress.com/2023/11/05/6-impressive-things-i-want-to-do/
Here’s an excerpt from one of his blogs:
Some people are speculating that this blog might be the reason why he was rearrested. I know this isn’t the most popular figure in the activist community due his habit of being overtly critical of other activists, but I find it quite admirable to see him standing his ground so firmly.
“In fact, the past 3 years in prison might have been the best years of my life, not because of prison itself of course because everyone knows prison sucks, but mostly because of the 400 books I read(mostly on meditation and religion) and the 100s of hours of mindfulness meditation I did over the past 3 years.”
That’s nice to hear. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any “sex offenders” say that their life in prison was anything but a nightmare. Good to hear about sort of more positive prison experiences.
He is a very odd person IMO, at least from the outside looking in. He is almost certainly autistic which, in his case, has led him to noble actions which are often to his detriment. The quote you posted, where he frankly admits he “consider[s] it an honor to break unjust laws“, is probably one of the most stupidly honest things he could have written.
Honesty is a privilege: not everyone can afford (socially/financially) to do it. Gays back in the day, MAPs nowadays. He is far, far too honest where he doesn’t need to be… He could be such a better activist, if he wants to be, by doing his best to stay clear of illegal activity and toning-down statements like this. You can have values, but you don’t need to act them out!
I do think he was effectively ‘groomed’ (i.e. deceived into engaging in illegal activity by covert hostile actors), but it was a very, very dumb thing to sext and date that girl. It’s bad enough for women / men to lie to each other or be disingenuous / stringing people along, but it’s even worse if they’re deliberately setting out to ruin someone’s life using their self-conscious status as a ‘minor’. Disgusting behavior.
I believe Amos claimed he was / is not a pedophile, and that may well be true. He may be more of a hebephile or, just a ‘normal’ man who finds teenaged, sexually developmentally mature women attractive. But to the uninformed, stigma fueled masses who see 17YO’s and think ‘Pedo’, it won’t look like he’s not self-interested.
“being overtly critical of other activists” > One of his worst qualities. Sexual minority movements are already weighed down by stigma, likely to be full of mentally ill and struggling people. Attacking the inspirational and surviving thought leaders of the past isn’t gonna help MAPs overcome their issues. Everyone needs education and figures they can look to: I’d suggest Tom is a pretty good one… Amos himself often relied of academic research in his online debates, so it was very odd to criticize Tom when they do similar things.
Since Amos is so shameless, I do hope he can bounce back and live a decent life when he’s finally out of prison.
“being overtly critical of other activistsā > One of his worst qualities.”
I’m assuming you’re aware there’s a certain irony to your statement š
incorrect laws and social stigma encourage people to abuse privileges and use its for reprisals. Even if a person tries to present a surveillance camera recording of how a minor entered his room, flirted, began to undress and masturbate, no one will take this into account, because the current law is not objective and absurd. After all, a illegal video in which a minor laughs, smiles and takes initiative should in itself prove that he cannot be a victim and does not experience suffering.
ah yes the innocent teen… just like Shamina Begun, people can stick their hypocrisy up their
https://annas-archive.org/md5/34a48c568695cc95e2ab8c4b23249759
A rare book I’ve not seen discussed much, ‘The Lolita Complex‘ (1966) by Russell Trainer, draws on historical accounts and research reports from various American therapists of the time, to discuss ‘Lolitas’ and ‘Humberts’. What motivates Lolitas and Humberts, seems to me the most interesting chapters.
The framing is interesting. Take this quote:
Dr. Milton Okun has offered his opinion of the makeup of Lolitas for this study. It excludes, in some instances, sex as a motivating factor. “Sex doesn’t have to enter the picture at all,” Dr. Okun states. “A girl at a very young age, even as early as four or five, knows how to act seductively, and she soon learns that it can be the means of getting special favors and attention from her father or a father-image. So the child uses her seductivness for her own advantage. If such a child’s father, or any male, is inclined toward young girls, we then have a situation for the development of a Lolita complex affair that is a ‘natural.’ “ (p. 233)
It’s not that surprising that, for these therapists who interact with / council children who’ve been brought to therapy for ‘sexual behavior problems’, ‘acting out sexually with boys and men at school’ – that they’d see and thus ascribe to children a large capacity for agency and knowledge.
An interesting book to look back on. And, an interesting book you all may wish to keep a PDF copy of, in case currently available online archives ever get removed.
Here’s a decent looking article about the Bill https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/26/23922397/uk-online-safety-bill-law-passed-royal-assent-moderation-regulation
It has achieved Royal assent, but will take time to have its kinks ironed out and actually be enforced. Ofcom, the regulator given extraordinary power, still has to make its guidelines of enforcement. So although the Bill had passed, not a lot may change for the moment. At least for now…
Ofcom, didtn they ban an advert for a girl in school uniform showing a bit of leg? nutjobs.yes.. it was kingsmill
“If ya think you’re going to school in that skirt, you can think again!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=A5wVtTQzniI
Big news! A new bill / law that had been floated around and scrutinized in media for at least a year, the UK Online Safety Bill, has now been passed.
It’s a bold, sweeping Bill which, from my brief reading about it, attempts to have under 13’s banned from social media platforms (where “adults” might be present). Of course, it further aims to enforce the removal of “age-innapropriate” content because, god-forbid a “child” might see the sexier or meaner side of humans before turning 16-18.
The emphasis is very much on “protecting children”. To do so, the law attempts to rid us all of the possibility of anonymity online. Want to set up an account with no ID? Sorry, but we need to verify your age before you can use our service š
I can imagine people joking about needing “consent licences” or an “Internet license”, but the latter has effectively come about through ID requirements.
Being reminded by Wikipedia, the law was originally controversial because of the “legal but harmful” clause, but also the proposal to mandate companies scanning all user’s messages for “child sexual abuse material” – a broad term which can include writings and fictional artwork. This would mean the effective de-encryption of the internet. As most big social media platforms have some kind of encryption in the interrst of user’s privacy, which is some times a big draw for their user base, they weren’t willing to go along with it.
Amazingly, I wondered how the UK government planned to enforce this when most big social media or porn sites are not based in the UK. Well, the law is so sweeping that it plans to target *any platform that has UK users*. The bill intends to give the UK regulator Ofcom global power! It’s wild to me; it feels like they must be infringing on international law with that one. It’s so clearly about interfering and meddling in other countries’ business I can’t believe it’s serious.
What happens if companies don’t comply:
So much for low to no regulation, free market capitalists!
Anyway, reading about this Bill will fascinate and (probably) disturb you. I thoroughly recommend checking it out :p
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/a-guide-to-the-online-safety-bill#underage-children-will-be-kept-off-social-media-platforms
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-children-and-adults-to-be-safer-online-as-world-leading-bill-becomes-law
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023
children and adultsum is the word adolescent really that complex for these thickos?Germany has had youth protection law phrased exactly like this since at least the early 2000s. You’d think they wouldn’t have been able to accomplish much given how almost no adult content is hosted in their jurisdiction. However, they’ve been systematically threatening and intimidating the hosts and admins of cartoon porn/hentai sites around the world into banning fictional child porn over the past two decades. I’ve seen this happen so many times back when I was active in the community. They have quite a few NGO youth protection agencies that, while not technically having any legal power, do act on behalf of the government as watchdogs people can report content to they suspect is illegal in the country. They will then attempt to intimidate the host of said content into taking down the offending material. They’re also not above complaining to DNS providers in order to make the culprit’s content inaccessible.
Their greatest achievement was the cultivation of a chilling effect regarding the hosting of fictional material involving minors.
New data on āassociation of physical or sexual abuse with better cognitionā:
But for post-1970s 4-decades ongoing Far Right Anglo neo-Victorian/puritan perverse logic.
How can any-age natural (not drug-fuelled) pleasure ever be termed ‘pain’?
Answer plse on back of a Penny Black-hearted Victorian postage stamp-on-the-public face.
Oh wait, they perversely invented a new fake ‘drug’ Sex Addiction for the naturally high libido, but naturally ignored the naturally low sex drive?
In 1987 the APA’s Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders (DSM-III-R) added for the first time the concept of āsexual addictionā as a term that could be applied when useful to clarify the more general diagnosis of āSexual Disorders NOS (Not Otherwise Specified).ā
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22690-sex-addiction-hypersexuality-and-compulsive-sexual-behavior
https://www.robertweissmsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Counselor2012.pdf
Just found out that Bolivian politician and past president Evo Morales, had claims of statutory rape leveled at him in 2020. A very interesting Wiki segment about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales#Statutory_rape_investigation
An extraordinary story, especially as regards police treatment of the reluctant “victim”.
It is truly crazy. Especially surprised the Wikipedia would include that detail about the young female resisting police persecution (and being force-fed / tortured), as Wiki is ridiculously hostile to anything that can be seen a ‘pro pedophile’. I looked up and apparently the Bolivian AOC is 14 (when it’s not ‘positions of authority’). An important bit of context, in addition to the fact that no one *really* cares that 14+ young women want to have sex w/ older guys n vice versa: it’s just an easy, disingenous virtue-signaling / purity testing way to attack your political/ideological opponents…).
I added him to a section to the communism page which basically uses the info from Wikipedia but with more neutral language IMO. See: https://www.newgon.net/wiki/Communism
Also now linked are the previously missing page on Peter Tatchell, and a new very brief page I made for https://www.newgon.net/wiki/The_Campaign_Against_Public_Morals (CAPM).
Another article we have is on the adverse effects of hysteria. At the bottom it lists ways “victims” are persecuted. This may be relevant to some details of this story.
Re-check post-‘Love Generation’ 4-decades ongoing modern-medievil Anglo psycho superstitious madness, generating fake hate Worldwide against MAPS.
āDamn The Children When The Devil Must Be Found!ā I thought of those lines last Monday night, as I watched Panoramaās television account of the Orkney āSatanic abuseā scandal. They come from W H Audenās poem āVoltaire at Ferneyā, which is about the defence of humanity against superstitious madness. Panorama played an audiotape: a six- year-old girl screaming tearful denials to THREE ADULT INTERROGATORS. āHe did so put his dickie in your fannyā they insisted. She screamed again.ā ā
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/damn-the-children-when-the-devil-must-be-found-1563398.html
Oh yes did you see the treatment of this 16 year old girl who said her nan
looked like a transexual. by the police? such hypocrites. they ahd the nerve to accuse me of abuse yet they do it themselves. (actually they said what i wrote about was abuse )ok, i meant lesbian. heres the link !! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12399911/Revealed-Mother-autistic-daughter-16-dragged-home-police-saying-female-officer-lesbian-like-nana-set-SUE-force.html
We are considering content management systems (such as WriteFreely) for the MAP News site with a logo based on Paedo Alert News.
WordPress (the system HTOC runs on) is considered too hard to maintain.
Any ideas here?
“Content management systems” not my forte, but I like the logo. Definite thumbs up!
I’m looking forward to these upcoming changes and developments.
SHOOT the Far Right FAKE ‘messengers’.
“Media whitewashes own role in killing of Palestinian-American child in Chicago.”
While corporate media and establishment politicians deliver performative displays of sadness over the lethal hate crime, Illinois State Rep. Abdelnasser Rashid, has pointed a finger directly at legacy media and US politicians for inciting the killing.
āLetās be clear: This was directly connected to dehumanizing of Palestinians that has been allowed over the last week by our media and by elected officials who lacked a moral compass and courage to call for something as simple as de-escalation, as peace,ā the Palestinian-American legislator told the New York Times. But just a few hours later, the quote had been heavily redacted. āThis was directly connected to dehumanizing of Palestinians,ā the new statement read ā a rewriting which effectively erased Rashidās condemnation of establishment lawmakers and media figures.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/17/media-whitewashes-palestinian-american-child/
https://www.google.com/search?q=chicago+boy+killed&oq=chicago+boy+killed&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512j46i512j0i512l4j0i390i650l3.6446j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#ip=1
I have has occasion earlier this year to scrutinise some Grayzone reports. Not impressed. They are fake news peddlers.
Grayzone are pros compared to the ‘tarbrush’ Far Right Fake$tream.
Max Blumenthal & Co can at least read Hebrew in Israel’s oldest rag Haaretz.
Where Max rightly found that some of the Kibbutz blasts were ‘Friendly Fire’ from Isreali Hellfire missiles not available to Hamas.
Friendly Fire/False Flags/Inside Jobs/Pedo Panics not known from the ‘tarbrush’ Far Right Fake$tream – not much!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESqmADgbEJI
>Where Max rightly found that some of the Kibbutz blasts were āFriendly Fireā from Isreali Hellfire missiles not available to Hamas.
That is entirely possible. But the main effect and perhaps intention of making the claim is to deflect attention from the initial act of Hamas terrorism, without which there would have been no need for IDF fire, “friendly” or otherwise.
Nor does it persuade me Grayzone is a reliable source. My experience is otherwise. That said, not all their correspondents are necessarily bad. The guy doing the piece here has some credibility for a variety of reasons. Interesting that his info came ā100%ā from Israeli sources, including perhaps the countryās best and most even-handed newspaper, Haaretz.
Nor should attention be confined to Hamas terrorism, which is plainly what the Israeli government want. They have been doing plenty of “deflecting” of their own regarding their extreme aggression in Gaza (hard to see how it does not amount to war crimes of illicit “collective punishment”) and their systematic destruction of the former peace process in the Netanyahu era, especially as regards their encouragement of the illegal West Bank settlements.
> That is entirely possible. But the main effect and perhaps intention of making the claim is to deflect attention from the initial act of Hamas terrorism, without which there would have been no need for IDF fire, āfriendlyā or otherwise. Nor does it persuade me Grayzone is a reliable source.
Can Tom name any reliable news source?
[MOD: I will answer the question in a separate reply. I have deleted the rest of HHP’s post for a reason that will be given.]
Can Tom name any reliable news source?
Yes, of course: Heretic TOC. š
Seriously, though, experience tells us that no one is infallible (certainly not the Pope), and the same applies to the news media. But does this mean all media platforms are equally untrustworthy? Hardly. If you believed that, HHP, you wouldn’t be recommending Grayzone. However, I do not share your high opinion of them.
Your question as to reliable news was followed by a long quotation, apparently cited with approval, from a commentary on the current conflict in Israel/Palestine. I have deleted this as essentially off topic for HTOC. Iād rather we donāt all get bogged down in it. The quote was actually from a distinguished ethicist whose opinion on the matter I completely agree with. Even so…
Elsewhere, HHP, you made a post including a long list of links, with quotes from some of them. I have deleted this post even though the links were on topic. Please do not use HTOC comment space as a “link dump”. Please just give you own views (in coherent language) plus a link or two if relevant.
My apologies, HHP, for a somewhat delayed response to your posts in particular. My laptop internet was down for four days until Monday evening so I could only get online with my phone, which doesn’t have a great interface with the WordPress software that HTOC runs on. It is OK for approving short posts but is not user friendly for moderating and composing replies.
Thanx Tom, welcome back.
>However, I do not share your high opinion of them.
My opinion of any reporting is ‘report don’t distort’ especially by OMMISSION. The most common crime in the Far Right fake$tream, often corrected by reliable alt. media, too much to mention.
And without which the Peoples’ Web wouldn’t be worth the paper it’s not written on. Endless insults to a tot’s intelligence, Far Right fake$tream omissions on most issues, not least non victim pro-active AAMS.
E.G. late-20th Century Bold AAM HOT Loli, 7, “I’ve been waiting all week to see you. I luv your strong muscular hands in best white knickers – I LUV IT!”
HHP, you wrote:
>My opinion of any reporting is āreport donāt distortā especially by OMMISSION.
Good point, although you make it sound as though this should be an easy exercise. The print editions of newspapers have always needed to be very selective simply because, unlike the internet, they do not have unlimited space. As any experienced journalist knows, constraint is a good discipline for honing down what is really important. Lawyers need to make similar judgements in order to make a sharp case.
The online world is very different, for better and for worse. Podcasters have the opportunity the present reports that dig very deep into the details of a story, which is great. But it also gives them the chance to spin yarns that superficially may sound convincing but which would not survive close scrutiny ā scrutiny which, unlike big outfits such as the BBC, they seldom get. Everyone, from rivals such as Murdoch to politicians on both sides of the left/right divide, watches the beeb like a hawk ready to pounce on the slightest perceived imbalance or factual shortcoming.
Obviously, the BBC, like any other news organisation is going to make plenty of wrong calls and be guilty of occasional outright scandals, but we would be crazy to ignore MSM reports in favour of online mavericks whose general reliability is seldom put to the test and who tend to specialise in outlandish conspiracy theories. Pizzagate, anyone? Hillary Clinton heading up a paedo child-trafficking ring? Gimme a break! Many other conspiracies are available. Most of them just as bonkers.
>And without which the Peoplesā Web wouldnāt be worth the paper itās not written on.
To my mind, your “hot loli” example makes a clinching case in favour of the uncensored, “Peoplesā Web”. But I may not be the most unbiased source on this! š
Not to stay too far-centre ‘off topic’ but..
Current INEXCUSEABLE Far Right OMMISSIONS not least by BritBrainCrap/BBC, are not-distant context.
Of kids killed by Far Right Isreal’s trashing of the 1995 Oslo Peace Accords, and Gaza’s 9/11 when Far Right Israel attacked in 2008. Both MISSING from the current Far Right ‘Dominant Narrative’
Two more ‘appropriate’ links ‘dumped’?
http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20181227-remem…ls-2008-war-on-gaza/
history.state.gov/milestones/1993-2000/oslo
>Not to stay too far-centre āoff topicā but..
As I said, I don’t want a long debate here about Middle East politics. However, the reliability of the media in more general terms is undoubtedly an issue for MAPs, bearing in mind that many of us have been at the wrong end of biased coverage in everything from (in UK terms) The Sun to The Guardian and the BBC. On this basis, then, I will not rule your post off topic.
On the substance of your point about the Far Right Israeli government, I totally agree, but I see no reason to dump on the BBC, which (despite the ever present threat to its licence funding from a vengeful Tory government) has resisted demands to label Hamas as “terrorists”, even though the slaughter of 7 October clearly was terrorism. Why has the beeb resisted? Veteran BBC man John Simpson has explained:
I agree with this reasoning.
What I find most striking with specific reference to the current Middle East conflict is not that BBC stands for “BritBrainCrap” (which is just an assertive slogan, BTW, which performs the same function as shouting, or writing in capital letters; it is not a persuasive argument, or indeed an argument of any kind) but that pretty much the whole MSM, and the political class of the main parties, are all terrified of being thought antisemitic if they dare to oppose Netanyahu’s actions, which are currently so extreme as to seem not just terrorist but arguably flirting with genocide. It’s like a hangover, or a ghost effect, from the vicious takedown of Jeremy Corbyn, in which the right-wing media were enthusiastic players. My suspicion was that the main motive of the press barons was fear of Corbyn’s radical socialism, and that antisemitism was mainly just a convenient stick to beat him with. If I were Jewish, I think I would join Jewish Voice for Labour in their stance against injustice to Palestinians.
>Two more āappropriateā links ādumpedā?
Not excessive on this occasion, given that you have taken the trouble to make a relevant comment in your own words as well.
>I may not be the most unbiased source on this – just the most objective?
E.G. What could any subjective ‘anti’ possible say to that positively pro-active Bold AAM Hot Loli?
Easy: they have been “corrupted”, “led astray”, “don’t know what they’re getting into”, etc. Have you ever known antis to be short of answers and strong opinions?
>Have you ever known antis to be short of answers and strong opinions?
Well short, when totally trashed by far stronger home truths from unstoppable Worldwide modern ‘Gen Selfie Sext’.
Including guilt-free AAMS from Age-5 with PhonePornInTheirPockets mocking vile Victorian fake ‘Sex Laws’. Feeble antis Truth-Nuked by new kids on the block mighty mantra, “My Mind, My Body, My Choice, My MAP – MIND YER OWN!”
Backed by charming skoolyard chant, “Kids can say ‘NO!’ Or ‘I dunno?’. Or, YES F**KING PLEEZE!”
Short plank, shit-thick antis will learn that wee ditty from millions of unstoppable HOT AAMS when it’s a ‘SHOCK’ Anglotalitarian sex-filled ‘Family’ tabloid BANNER for Ratings & Profit
Kinda quote, WAY back ‘Love Generation’ BIG Bob Dylan, “Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command. The times and tabloids they are a-changin'” .
I feel impelled to share this very recent news broadcast from Western Australia, simply because it displays so awfully and irreducibly the dreadful sting the word “pedophile” has to this day (Note that the Australians now give it the ‘short e’ pronunciation like the American, which seems to considerably enhance the ‘magic spell’ effect it has on all media consumers, instantly) The reporter with her mike has a purely revolting accent, and roams about here verily like the predator she dreams of, knowing every word she utters will be pre-digested by millions before it is even fully out of her mouth.
The most trusted man on the island is a PED-O-PHILE!
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNB3yY2p/
This entire report is so gay from top to bottom, jam packed with womanly hysteria and faggots who eat this garbage up (no offense to gays). This guy Steve Smart liked the “abuse” which is why he kept coming back for more, which is why it wasn’t abuse. He is a disgusting weak piece of shit. Just kill yourself already instead of pretending like you’re a victim because you can’t accept you liked gay stuff. There are millions of people who had gay stuff happen to them that was enjoyable, and are now heterosexual. You don’t see them all walking around with a guilt complex or trying to get some guy in trouble so they can cry like a little bitch and get attention and maybe some money. These people are losers who are dangerous to others.
of course in the 60s it would be HES A GAY ! he is the most evil person on earth! people make me sick
Why, no criminal ban on millions of mainstream images of desperate children often bloodied, naked, or near-naked in war zones and famines? Mercilessly exploited by psychopath media for sensationalist profit, and for racists or sadists to gloat over!
E.G. Callous profiteering corporate snapper in closeup mode asked a tearful Gaza small child, “Are you Muslim or Christian?”
Sobbing answer, “I’m hungry and I’m scared!”
(Gaza’s minority Christian population has refused to leave Gaza City, despite a recent Israeli airstrike that targeted an historic church.)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/13/gazas-terrified-children-all-too-aware-israels-bombs-stole-their-joy
But it isn’t the photographers who are blasting Gaza to bits or firing rockets into Israel. Why shoot the messenger?
Tom, the deeper point has always been that free of any criminal sanctions, profiteering fake media propaganda ‘messengers’ further mercilessly exploit non-sex desperate child victims of the Banks/Military Industrial Wars.
Always for profit, and always deviously masked by mass deception as so called ‘Public Protection’. De facto a post-Reformation 4-centuries ongoing on five continents Banks/MilitaryMedia BIG Mafia – Protection Racket.
(No anti-Semite here but don’t forget that European Bank$ta Rothschild got Europeans Balfour & Co Brits to falsely mandate middle-East Palestine as the newly minted European ‘Zionists’ future homeland Israel.)
Another corporate snapper (Pullitzer Prize Winner) in Sudan sold his image of a vulture waiting for a starving child to die. Later a sharp radio phone-in caller rightly suggested that TWO vultures that day caused the child’s fate, one of whom could have removed the child to safety.
And increasingly, jurisdictions are rightly making it a crime not to report or where possible remove a child from harmful situations.
While AAMS & MAPS rightly state that totalitarian sex-filled ‘Family’ fake media perversely making intergen mutual pleasure into malignant pain for minors, is itself a ‘vile thought crime’.
Quote, late-20th Century AAM Happy HOT Loli, 6, fresh from school and pro-actively playing wide-legs ‘fast horsey’ on ‘Love Magnet’ Bold MAP’S hard back (HOT whispered), “I want to see your willy!”
Meanwhile, increasing millions of unstoppable AAMS Worldwide from age-5 with PhonePornInTheirPockets MOCK Anglo-Victorian so called ‘Sex Laws’. Quote, “My Mind, My Body, My Choice, My MAP – Mind Yer Own!”
https://www.google.com/search?q=Thousands+of+children+sexting%2C+police+say+BBC.COM&oq=Thousands+of+children+sexting%2C+police+say+BBC.COM&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.42258447j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
And increasingly, jurisdictions are rightly making it a crime not to report or where possible remove a child from harmful situations.
I wonder what they do to remove children from situations like those shown in the link below? Or even avoid these situations from occurring? Governments that at ever opportunity speak about “traumatization” in connection with orgasms should learn about the real traumas that they themselves are causing.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YDv0mTxPMXA
Because photos of crying children are a propaganda tool to influence emotions and awaken feelings of hatred towards the opposite side and moral justification for the same actions.
The same images are often accompanied by articles about pornography to incite hatred, while at the same time prohibiting the viewing of real images, even those that were legal in the 70-80s or those taken by minors themselves on their phones. In which there are no crying and scared children who actually smile and laugh. There is an excellent episode from the film about Larry Flynt on this topic.
>photos of crying children are a propaganda tool to influence emotions and awaken feelings of hatred towards the opposite side
They can be. Sadly they may trigger a horrifically vengeful response among the enemy tribes, and sometimes this will be the media intention. To most of the world, though, and also among the more humane and rational elements within the combatant populations, such pictures look more like powerful propaganda for peace. After all, how could anyone in their right mind want more war after seeing such images?
Famous war photographer Don McCullin was refused a press pass to cover the Falklands War. Why? His photos from Vietnam had revealed the horrors of the war there, and the British military had reason to believe his work would have undermined public support for the conflict.
Remember the “napalm girl” in the Vietnam war? This was a photo of a nine-year-old girl running down a street screaming in agony while covered in burning napalm from an American strike. Fifty years later that little girl, Phan Thi Kim Phuc, has spoken about that day, and that photo, in a video interview with CNN, together with the photographer, Nick Ut.
Note that this was a photo of a child in the enemy population published widely in America, where it won a Pulitzer prize. Propaganda? For whom? The American media were not exactly acting as propaganda agents for their own countryās war, were they?
The reflections of the photographer and his subject on that napalm photo bring some nuance and depth to the dilemmas inherent in war photography:
https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/napalm-girl-50-snap/index.html
I would like to clarify that my opinion concerns, first of all, the events of the last 30-20 years, when censorship began to intensify, and the media began to especially abuse their influence. Itās hard to say whether a photograph of a naked girl would receive the same award in todayās pedo-hysterical times? In those times you are talking about, society and press were still relatively free. Soon after this, the Virgin Killer album will be released with a scandalous cover with a naked girl, later NAMBLA will be formed and soon they will be invited to debate with Larry King, and another King will publish the book “IT” with a scandalous erotic fragment. And within 10 years, erotic magazines with minors will be published legally. It’s impossible to imagine now.
On the other hand, I could be wrong, but it seems to me that in the newsreels of “napalm girl” moment the girl does not look frightened and the scene itself is somehow strange. Children just run past the cameras, and adults calmly film them and no one runs to their aid, and children don’t run up to adults for help. (I am not claiming, probably I’m too sceptical )
Watching the YT vid you linked to, it’s almost as if the girl is resting between staged photoshoots or somesuch?.She appears thoroughly cool, calm and collected, and only slightly bemused by goings-on around her! I have no doubt whatsoever that if it was me that had been napalmed, i’d be writhing in pain with both face and body contorted in utmost agony. And compare to the photographs of Japanese women napalmed in Tokyo 1945 – nothing left but charred remains…
I am surprised to find I agree with you, Mr T. This footage looks staged. Not saying it is, but it definitely looks suspect. (I have only just seen it, prompted by your own sceptical comment, following Leonardās. I briefly attempted to check it when Leonard posted the link but I mistakenly gained the impression from the āpreviewā panel that it wasnāt available in my region.)
This film footage is attributed to a British news team from ITN. It is very different from the famous prize-winning still shot which looks far more real: both the girl herself, and the boy to her left, look genuinely distressed. That would have been a very hard shot to fake in the 1970s or to enact convincingly.
Another oddity. Where in the video is the guy who took that famous shot? Nowhere to be seen. Didnāt he say heād stayed with the girl and taken her to hospital in his car? That story was not contradicted by her in the fifty-years-later interview.
The Pulitzer prize, it has to be said, has a long history of dishonesty, especially by news writers bursting to make a name for themselves with a big scoop. But these people can only get away with it in situations that are credible. If there had been no war, if villages had not genuinely been bombed and burnt, if napalm had not been used, if children had not suffered, none of the reports or photos, would appear in the media, neither suspiciously āperfectā fake ones nor vastly more numerous (but less eye-catchingly prizeworthy) real ones.
But perhaps the ultra-sceptic conspiracy theorists will soon be telling us that there is no warfare in Gaza at the moment. Nor in Ukraine. The world is at peace. Talk of war and children dying are just a media myth put out by global elites to control us all.
>After all, how could anyone in their right mind want more war after seeing such images?
Has any right-minded person ever wanted less sex after seeing or seXperiencing early sex-pleasure pix?
Umm. What are we to conclude from this fascinating comparison? That HHP agrees with me? Or, the only logical alternative, that he is not in his right mind? š
I get that. But I would like to point out that this statement deserves caution, as it could potentially be used to validate certain narratives of majorities-beats-minorities depending on how you frame it. Some people could interpret that if, let’s say, animal-lovers are way less numerous, it is ok to keep discriminating against them. I do believe that this was not the message, but it is easy to misinterpret it as such.
Interestingly, many antis also advocate to treat man-boy relationships as a ‘special case’ (not conforming to the general rule of looking at things rationally and sensibly).
My point is: The relatively high % of MAPs is a reason to put more the focus on the topic, to argue that we have an independent identity, to call for studying this topic as a special case, to have specific spaces inside and outside the fediverse (even separate from any other paraphilia group), etc. But I think it does not affect our narrative in any single way.
Similar observation as before.
There is no competition about who has the richest history. And having a rich history is not even necessarily advantageous to our cause.
But, indeed, because it has a rich history it must be taught at schools, it must be debated more often, it must be studied thoroughly and without any anxieties, etc.
A recent tweet (archived here https://imgur.com/a/xdzVSmO) references an interesting meta-analysis of ‘trigger warnings’. The study is here, https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/21677026231186625, and made news coverage with the main takeaway being that trigger/content warnings “increase anticipatory anxiety”.
The takeaway is that trigger warnings do the opposite when it comes to anxiety, rendering ppl more, not less anxious.
This does not surprise me at all and speaks clearly to me as a misguided outgrowth of post-1970’s/1980’s risk and security culture. People are growing up far more sensitized to risk and security: possibilities, not necessarily actually occurring events. Fears of being raped by a stranger for example, in contrast to the (thankfully) small statistical likelihood that these forceful events will happen to you. [For that statistical claim, see Roger Lancaster’s Sex Panic book],
Any moral panic makes society infantile, neurotic and insane. The American intoxication of political correctness has weakened the pain threshold and moral stability of society, which has led to neurotic and hysterical perception. This led to the formation of numerous social justice warrior groups, which in turn gave birth to cancel culture.
Here is an example of correct political correctness, which is impossible to imagine in the current times. Calm debate on Dutch television with Edward Brongersma in1987 ( unfortunately in Dutch and and without the presence of Tom, who could to keep Edward nice company )
>…without the presence of Tom, who could to keep Edward nice company
I never met him on TV, but did enjoy the privilege of his company in his own home a couple of times. Very friendly and easy to talk with. Good brain too, of course: one of his country’s top lawyers.
Repressed femme teacher rents call boy for long lost pleasure.
07:44 “Pleasure is not a sin, but a miracle that everyone should experience.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Yf0RFCemo
Tom, please do forward to your enemy James:
https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/4vtd8/
Thanks, SB. Very interesting. I will not be posting this info to James as a provocation, but I might well put it on Sexnet because it has theoretical implications that will interest a good many researchers.
An example of the evolution of social expression. Due to the inability to organize a march in the real world, in the future MAPs could do it in the virtual world. The key point here is the media attention to this, which can be used to draw attention to the MAP movement.
Tom is a real bastion of free speech.. unlike musk and fuckerberg who are
bastards of free speech. I can actually talk here. There is freespeechtube, but im having problems getting in…. its become more difficult to make accountAny account you have made on FST will be functional. Each account you have made will not be functional in the first 12 hours as it must be enabled by a moderator.
Say for example someone were to register to share illicit material. This is what we must protect against.
thye never seemed to approve me? weird as i was on the original for a long time as Not brainwashed.
Both accounts are enabled and can post videos.
Don’t miss MAPs natural counterparts in plain-sight. At least since Sinatra’s ‘bobbysoxers’, and for which neo-Victorian sad Antis STILL have no answer.
Millions of amused (not abused) pro-contact AAMs chase, grab, grope, groom, lay HOT adult Pop/Rock Stars.
https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/181269953723744838/
Quote, HOT MAP BIG Chuck, “Hail Hail Rock & Roll deliver us from days of old…Nine years old and sweet as she can be.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqun6p7W7JQ
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1261082/The-Kings-troubling-obsession-Elvis-woman-So-able-form-relationships-virginal-girls.html
And top MAP Tom’s fave MAP Jacko, “The girls that hang around concerts or clubs…I’ve lived in that all my life. They do everything with the band…everything that you could imagine. So I wrote a song called ‘Dirty Diana’.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5kqp-c93gU
Bill Wymans pretty cool. mick jagger? look up
rae dawn chong. and then there was steve tyler, antony kiedis.. no libel here, its all online.. its so funny when people realise there heroes didwrongthings ! madonna even exposed a 17 year olds boob at a gig!New from the BBC, and it’s dire. Total recapitulation of the Government’s thought crime narrative on AI generated “child abuse”.
It may be worth alerting the social media account of Prostasia Foundation to this story.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67172231
Do these people actually read what they’ve written? Or just defecate it staccato and move on to creating the next stream of shit without checking? I think it has to be the latter.
How are they real victims of CSAM if the material is AI generated? It’s clearly victimless. They’re scraping the bottom of the barrel here, out of desperation judging by the tone of the article.
As the last sentence in the article says:
“The reality is that they are now victims of Category A offences that never happened”
What bothers me more is the language they always use. How is anyone who is quietly generating something on their computer a “predator”? One day, people will realize that it doesn’t make any sense… hopefully.
I hope one day someone will seek out these journalists with a hungry lion and unleash it in front of them. So they will learn the difference.
As the Blog author, I’m willing to put aside some time to explain the curious origins of Iris and Lecter’s Fedi drama with me, if it genuinely interests anybody. While a lot more is now known about their characters, in brief, their attacks on me started on Twitter.com, towards the end of the MAP community’s thoroughgoing presence there in 2021 and 2022. The complaints are fundamentally linked to Iris and Lecter’s extremist anti-contact philosophy, and their attempts to reconcile said with the wider community. The initial target of their anger was my research unearthing a widely unknown Newgon MAP Flag predecessor (linked here) from 2009, with a similar appearance very similar rationale to the famous 2018 effort. A secondary aim of theirs was to discredit Newgon’s involvement in establishing MAP discourse. Newgon’s role in this is something I can personally attest to, as I was around in 2006/7, and have subsequently located archive evidence of it (linked here). Much of that research was reproduced (stripped of parts seen as favorable to Newgon) without credit on “MAP Wiki”, a resource edited by Iris and Lecter.
Following the “fascism” attacks, and general attempts to politicize the MAP Movement I was forced to post the following on Fediverse. It may serve as advice to anybody who is unfamiliar with shitposting and chan-culture, some of which are undoubtedly occasional features of PCMA (the primary activist workgroup inside the Yesmap server):
Thank you for an informative post on the current state of play. Not that I am out of the loop but just generally not as interested in keeping up with MAP politics as I am in MAP rights.
You’re doing good work.
https://maptivism.home.blog/2023/10/23/maptivism-2023/
MAP lover
oh, wow, how do i comment on this site? and how can i get back to twitter? i tried in the library but couldnt get past the stupid puzzle
Greetings dear Tom, thought I would drop by to say hello.
How exactly do we define a paraphilia? If I have a strong desire for Aristotleian metaphysics on final causality, does this qualify? Or must it be sexual?
The thing is, as Freud might have said, the sexual energies drive everything on a basal and infrarational level of the human mind, so when I am exploring metaphysics, on one level, I am tapping into repressed sexual longings, no?
When we go to the pub with a friend, how much of it is a repressed homoerotic psycho-sexual transaction? Or would it spoil the very definition of friendship to reduce it to these terms?
In a similar vein, must we always see love for children as a psycho-sexual transaction on the basal level of the mind? Or does this spoil feelings of compassion, joy and indeed our very enjoyment of the existence of the child?
If male-male friendship is not just repressed psycho-sexuality, might we say also that adult-child attraction is not merely psycho-sexual, or indeed a paraphilia, but instead an existential ground on which there are possibilities for friendship, joy and mutual understanding?
And indeed, that to see sexual attraction purely through the lens of sexual attraction per se, is an intolerable reductionism, rather than sexual attraction qua love or sexual attraction qua friendship?
Just some thoughts for you to ponder.
Best wishes, Zen
>Greetings dear Tom, thought I would drop by to say hello.
Nice to hear from you ZT, but I didn’t write the blog so I’m not quite sure why you are addressing me on the subject.
Just wanted to catch up with my old bud, we go back several years haha.
I should have directed the post to Jim, and in fact I shall do so now.
Perhaps it looks like a manifesto.
I consider the MAP community as a multicultural association of people with different political views, united by innate sexual preferences and a humane desire to build voluntary and mutual intergenerational relationship and advocating for granting youth greater autonomy and demand for the common rights described in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states that all people are born free and equal. Everyone has the same rights and freedoms, without any differences. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression, including freedom to hold opinions freely, freedom to seek, receive and disseminate information and ideas, as well as freedom of assembly and association.
But, I want to say. of course, everyone has different political views. And a Nazi as well as a maniac can be a black or a homosexual artist. But one managed to lead the country and start a war, killing millions of people. And now, we know what Nazism is. This is a misanthropic, cruel ideology and those who support it cannot be considered an ally of the MAPs.
Human rights what a joke. a 17 year old isnt allowed a photo of their OWN body!!
With regards to human rights, I think that the equality principle worked very well for the gay marriage. How can you oppose that two people of the same gender marry? After all, men and women can marry, and we all know that in reality men and women are biologically quite different from each other. There is a powerful subtlety in the argument.
In boy-loving and girl-loving, though, the equality principle is a little tricky, as it could be misinterpreted as that “children should be treated in exactly the same way as adults are treated“, which would not be sensible to advocate for (in my opinion). This is why I tend to put more focus on the freedom principle of human rights: the freedom to use and decide about your own body, the freedom to take a picture of it, the sexual freedom, the freedom to kiss other people, etc.
The equality principle applies to a greater extent to MAP people, because their rights are significantly infringed, unlike the Youth rights, which are just limited by excessive protectionist and purinist restrictions.
The purpose and raison d’ĆŖtre of Fascism is, by means of extreme violence, to crush the labour movement, to roll back women’s rights, and to get rid of some minorities by all means, from mass expulsion to physical extermination. I have never seen a “virtuous” or “non-offending” Fascist, who claims not to act on his fascist “attractions.” Therefore, any organisation of an oppressed or marginalised group cannot tolerate real Fascists in its midst. At the same time, you may never call on the State or corporations to ban Fascists, because their repression will finally turn against the oppressed. See France, where openly expressing solidarity with the Palestinian people can lead you to being accused of “antisemitism” or “defence of terrorism.” Of course, one must distinguish real Fascists from ordinary conservatives or those who idealise the past.
BTW, I don’t believe in political activism on social media. You end up in a virtual ivory tower, an alternate reality where everyone thinks like you, and where each one radicalises each other. Moreover, I have already expressed here my opposition to identity politics, any activism based solely on on a well-defined minority leads only to political marginalisation. It is better to build unity between all the oppressed, for instance MAPs should be busy with youth liberation.
I also think that the impact of social media is overestimated. But I would distinguish between comments you exchange with random people or people you only meet online, from the comments you exchange with people you already know well in the ‘real life’. I’m leaning towards the idea that the contact with your local, small community has actually more impact than any ambitious large-scale social-media plan.
I think you might be a socialist. Which is a label that in many quarters is nearly as damning as ‘paedophile’. But at least I know there are two of us.
If you look at my comments since more than 8 years, you will see that I have never hidden my political opinions.
I agree that being a “MAP” does not require having a specific ideology or thoughts,
Pim Fortuyn is a good example that being a right-wing politician does not mean being intolerant, he himself supported the legalization of adult-child relationships,
he said in his article called “The Modern Pillory”
“In the 1960s and 1970s, Brongersma slowly but surely gained a foothold. After the invention of the pill, there was the liberation of sex. Gay sex was accepted, so why -under the ‘strict’ condition that the child wants it and that it is not forced – pedo sex are not allowed? This enlightened point of view has since been abandoned and, under the influence of the goges, the child has been portrayed as completely free of sexual appetites, at least towards adults.
We are a long way from the understanding that Brongersma tried to cultivate, to our own detriment, by the way, because everything that can be discussed is, in principle, also manageable, you just have to think!” – Pim Fortuyn – 1999
The full article can be found here:
https://www.pimfortuyn.com/pim-fortuyn/columns-pim-fortuyn/archief-columns/166-de-moderne-schandpaal
Also I personally think that people misinterpret being right-wing or left-wing, many people believe that if you are right-wing you cannot support the LGBTQ+ community or that if you are left-wing you cannot be in favor of immigration restrictions.
Those types of people forget that humanity is not just “black or white”
I believe that the best thing for our movement is to set aside our ideals on other issues and concentrate our efforts on the issue of MAPs and Youth Liberation
After all, other topics (like socialism, capitalism, etc) can be discussed privately or on other platforms.
I cannto support bigoted movements. We need to be seperate from LGBT (and the + does not include us, or even people in adult age gap relationships )
the problem of the LGBTQ+ Movement It is not the LGBTQ+ as such, the problem is traitor/revisionist organizations like the ILGA, COC Nederland and other FAKE Queer organizations who have abandoned the real objectives of the movement and forgotten their own history that is linked to the “MAPs” since before the Stonewall uprising
It is true that right now we must maintain a distance from them for our survival as a movement but I think we should be open to a future reconciliation between the LGBTQ+ and MAPs
In reply to the original message…
I don’t think that what the MAP movement needs is precisely to separate itself even further from the rest of the world. This is not to mean that we have to start campaigning for the “+”… We need our own independent narrative & structure (as much as the gay movement needs to really emancipate from the feminist movement…). But kicking ourselves out of the “+” is a totally different story, and I don’t see the point in doing so. Sounds like shooting ourselves in the foot.
I understand the resentment about ILGA, but I can tell you that the LGBTQ+ movement is way more than ILGA, as much as the MAP movement is way more than the ideology of an anti-c fascist MAP š
I might have to distantance myself from the map movement.. as it includes all ages under 6,574 days old (yes, i put it in days to make people realise how stupid numbers are when it comes to attraction) . i class myself as an
ephebophile with hebephilic tendenciesbut that will only confuse people.. no disrespect to actuall pedrophiles on here> We need our own independent narrative & structure (as much as the gay movement needs to really emancipate from the feminist movementā¦)
Precisely what we need. Nevermind trying to adhere to other structures. That’s why Newgon, FST and Pro c instances of Pediverse are so very important.